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Alka maass has attempted to destroy the beautiful elite Discord from within, with 3 straight months of sustained idiocy.  And he's succeeding.  Tonight in fact, elite PA meet member Randy Bobandy nearly got banned himself for simply calling out Alka maass on some dumb shit for the 500th time.  This created hours and thousands of lines of arguments and inproductivity in the elite, which we simply cannot afford.

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2017, 01:34:15 PM »
JIM JONES: How very much I've tried my best to give you a good life. But in spite of all of my trying a handful of our people, with their lies, have made our lives impossible. There's no way to detach ourselves from what's happened today.

Not only are we in a compound situation, not only are there those who have left and committed the betrayal of the century, some have stolen children from others, and they are in pursuit right now to kill them because they stole their children. And we are sitting here waiting on a powder keg.

I don't think it is what we want to do with our babies--I don't think that's what we had in mind to do with our babies. It is said by the greatest of prophets from time immemorial: "No man may take my life from me; I lay my life down." So to sit here and wait for the catastrophe that's going to happen on that airplane--it's going to be a catastrophe. It almost happened here. Almost happened when the congressman was nearly killed here. You can't steal people's children. You can't take off with people's children without expecting a violent reaction. And that's not so unfamiliar to us either--even if we were Judeo-Christian--if we weren't Communists. The world (inaudible) suffers violence, and the violent shall take it by force. If we can't live in peace, then let's die in peace. (Applause.)

We've been so betrayed. We have been so terribly betrayed. (Music and singing) But we've tried and as (inaudible) ... if this only works one day it was worthwhile. (Applause.) Thank you.

Now what's going to happen here in a matter of a few minutes is that one of those people on that plane is going to shoot the pilot--I know that. I didn't plan it, but I know it's going to happen. They're gonna shoot that pilot and down comes that plane into the jungle. And we had better not have any of our children left when it's over because they'll parachute in here on us.

I'm going to be just as plain as I know how to tell you. I've never lied to you. I never have lied to you. I know that's what's gonna happen. That's what he intends to do, and he will do it. He'll do it.1

What's with being so bewildered with many, many pressures on my brain, seeing all these people behave so treasonous--there was too much for me to put together, but I now know what he was telling me. And it'll happen. If the plane gets in the air even.2

So my opinion is that you be kind to children and be kind to seniors and take the potion like they used to take in ancient Greece and step over quietly because we are not committing suicide; it's a revolutionary act. We can't go back; they won't leave us alone. They're now going back to tell more lies, which means more congressmen. And there's no way, no way we can survive.

Anybody. Anyone that has any dissenting opinion, please speak. Yes. (Inaudible.) You can have an opportunity, but if the children are left, we're going to have them butchered. We can make a strike, but we'll be striking against people that we don't want to strike against. What we'd like to get are the people that caused this stuff, and some, if some people here are prepared and know how to do that, to go in town and get Timothy Stoen, but there's no plane. There's no plane. You can't catch a plane in time.

He's responsible for it. He brought these people to us. He and Deanna Mertle.3 The people in San Francisco will not--not be idle. Now, would they? They'll not take our death in vain you know. Yes, Christine.

CHRISTINE MILLER: Is it too late for Russia?4

JONES: Here's why it's too late for Russia. They killed. They started to kill. That's why it makes it too late for Russia. Otherwise I'd say, yes, sir, you bet your life. But it's too late. I can't control these people. They're out there. They've gone with the guns. And it's too late. And once we kill anybody-- at least that's what I've always--I've always put my lot with you. If one of my people do something, it's me.

And they say I don't have to take the blame for this, but I don't live that way. They said deliver up Ujara5, who tried to get the man back here. Ujara, whose mother's been lying on him and lying on him and trying to break up this family. And they've all agreed to kill us by any means necessary. Do you think I'm going to deliver them Ujara? Not on your life. No.

MAN 1: I know a way to find Stoen if it'll help us.

JONES: No. You're not going. You're not going. You're not going. I can't live that way. I cannot live that way. I've lived with--for all. I'll die for all. (Applause.) I've been living on hope for a long time, Christine, and I appreciate you've always been a very good agitator. I like agitation because you have to see two sides of one issue, two sides of a question.

But what those people are gonna get done once they get through will make our lives worse than hell. Will make us--will make the rest of us not accept it. When they get through lying. They posed so many lies between there and that truck that we are--we are done-in as far as any other alternative.

MILLER: Well, I say let's make an airlift to Russia. That's what I say. I don't think nothing is impossible if you believe it.

JONES: How are we going to do that? How are you going to airlift to Russia?

MILLER: Well, I thought they said if we got in an emergency, they gave you a code to let them know.

JONES: No they didn't. They gave us a code that they'd let us know on that issue; not us create an issue for them. They said that we--if they saw the country coming down they agreed to give us the code. You can check on that and see if it's on the code. Check with Russia to see if they'll take us in immediately, otherwise we die. I don't know what else you say to these people. But to me death is not--death is not a fearful thing. It's living that's cursed. (Applause.) I have never, never, never, never seen anything like this before in my life. I've never seen people take the law and do--in their own hands and provoke us and try to purposely agitate mother of children. There is no need, Christine; it's not--it's just not worth living like this. Not worth living like this.

MILLER: I think that there were too few who left for twelve hundred people to give them their lives for those people that left.

JONES: Do you know how many left?

MILLER: Oh, twenty-odd. That's a small ...

JONES: Twenty-odd, twenty-odd.

MILLER: Compared to what's here.

JONES: Twenty-odd. But what's gonna happen when they don't leave? I hope that they could leave. But what's gonna happen when they don't leave?

MILLER: You mean the people here?

JONES: Yeah. What's going to happen to us when they don't leave, when they get on the plane and the plane goes down?

MILLER: I don't think they'll go down.

JONES: You don't think they'll go down? I wish I would tell you you're right, but I'm right. There's one man there who blames, and rightfully so, Debbie Blakey for the murder--for the murder of his mother6 and he'll--he'll stop that pilot by any means necessary. He'll do it. That plane'll come out of the air. There's no way you can fly a plane without a pilot.

MILLER: I wasn't speaking about that plane. I was speaking about a plane for us to go to Russia.

JONES: How ... to Russia? You think Russia's gonna want--no, it's not gonna, it's, it's, it's--you think Russia's gonna want us with all this stigma? We had some value, but now we don't have any value.

MILLER: Well, I don't see it like that. I mean, I feel like that--as long as there's life, there's hope. That's my faith.

JONES: Well--some--everybody dies. Some place that hope runs out because everybody dies. I haven't seen anybody yet didn't die. And I'd like to choose my own kind of death for a change. I'm tired of being tormented to hell, that's what I'm tired of. Tired of it. (Applause.)

I have twelve hundred people's lives in my hands, and I certainly don't want your life in my hands. I'm going to tell you, Christine, without me, life has no meaning. (Applause.) I'm the best thing you'll ever have.

I want, want, I have to pay--I'm standing with Ujara. I'm standing with those people. They are part of me. I could detach myself. I really could detach myself. No, no, no, no, no, no. I never detach myself from any of your troubles. I've always taken your troubles right on my shoulders. And I'm not going to change that now. It's too late. I've been running too long. Not going to change now. (Applause.)

Maybe the next time you'll get to go to Russia. The next time round.7 This is--what I'm talking about now is the dispensation of judgment. This is a revolutionary--a revolutionary suicide council. I'm not talking about self --self-destruction. I'm talking about that we have no other road. I will take your call. We will put it to the Russians. And I can tell you the answer now because I am a prophet.8 Call the Russians and tell them, and see if they'll take us.

MILLER: I said I'm not ready to die.

JONES: I don't think you are.

MILLER: But, ah, I look about at the babies and I think they deserve to live, you know?

JONES: I agree. But also they deserve much more; they deserve peace.

MILLER: We all came here for peace.

JONES: And we've--have we had it?

MILLER: No.

JONES: I tried to give it to you. I've laid down my life, practically. I've practically died every day to give you peace. And you still not have any peace. You look better than I've seen you in a long while, but it's still not the kind of peace that I want to give you. A person's a fool who continues to say that they're winning when you're losing. (Inaudible.) What? I didn't hear you ma'am. You'll have to speak up. Ma'am, you'll have to speak up.

WOMAN: (Inaudible.)

JONES: That's a sweet thought. Who said that? Come on up and speak it again, Honey. Say what you want to say about... (inaudible).9 No plane is taking off. Suicide. Plenty have done it. Stoen has done it.10 Somebody ought to live. Somebody... (inaudible) I'll talk to San Francisco--see that Stoen does not get by with this infamy--this infamy. He has done the thing we wanted to do. Have us destroyed.

MILLER: When you--when you--when we destroy ourselves, we're defeated. We let them, the enemies, defeat us.

JONES: Did you see--did you see, "I will fight no more forever?"

MILLER: Yes, I saw that.

JONES: Did you not have some sense of pride and victory in that man? Yet he would not subject himself to the will or whim of people who tell them they want to come in whenever they please and push into our house. Come when they please, take who they want to, talk to who they want to--does this not living? That's not living to me. That's not freedom. That's not the kind of freedom I sought.

MILLER: Well I think where they made their mistake is when they stopped to rest. If they had gone on they would've made it. But they stopped to rest.11

JIM MCELVANE:12 Just hold on, (inaudible) would have made that day. We made a beautiful day, and let's make it a beautiful day. (Applause.)

JONES: We win when we go down. Tim Stoen has nobody else to hate. He has nobody else to hate. Then he'll destroy himself. I'm speaking here not as the administrator, I'm speaking as a prophet today.13 I wouldn't (inaudible) talk so serious if I didn't know what I was talking about. Has anybody called back? The immense amount of damage that's going to be done, but I cannot separate myself from the pain of my people. You can't either, Christine, if you stop to think about it. You can't separate yourself. We've walked too long together.

MILLER: I know that. But I still think, as an individual, I have a right to--

JONES: You do, and I'm listening.

MILLER: --to say what I think, what I feel. And think we all have a right to our own destiny as individuals.

JONES: Right.

MILLER: And I think I have a right to choose mine, and everybody else has a right to choose theirs.

JONES: Mhm.

MILLER: You know?

JONES: Mhm. I'm not criticizing.... What's that? (Inaudible woman's voice.)

MILLER: Well, I think I still have a right to my own opinion.

JONES: I'm not taking it from you. I'm not taking it from you.

MCELVANE: Christine, you're only standing here because he was here in the first place. So I don't know what you're talking about, having an individual life. Your life has been extended to the day that you're standing there because of him.

JONES: I guess she has as much right to speak as anybody else, too. What did you say, Ruby? (Inaudible.) Well, you'll regret that this very day if you don't die. You'll regret it if you do, though you don't die. You'll regret it.

WOMAN 1: (Inaudible.) ... You've saved so many people.

JONES: I've saved them. I saved them, but I made my example. I made my expression. I made my manifestation, and the world was ready, not ready for me. Paul said, "I was a man born out of due season." I've been born out of due season, just like all we are, and the best testimony we can make is to leave this goddamn world.14 (Applause.)

WOMAN 1: You must prepare to die.

MILLER: I'm not talking to her. Will you let--would you let her or let me talk?

JONES: Keep talking.

MILLER: Would you make her sit down and let me talk while I'm on the floor or let her talk?

JONES: How can you tell the leader what to do if you live? I've listened to you. You asked me about Russia. I'm right now making a call to Russia. What more do you suggest? I'm listening to you. You've yet to give me one slight bit of encouragement. I just now instructed her to go there and do that. (Voices.)15

MCELVANE: Alright now, everybody hold it. We didn't come--hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Let law be maintained. (Voices.)

JONES: Lay down your burden. I'm gonna lay down my burden. Down by the riverside. Shall we lay them down here by the side of Guyana? What's the difference? No man didn't take our lives. Right now. They haven't taken them. But when they start parachuting out of the air, they'll shoot some of our innocent babies. I'm not lying--I don't wanna (inaudible). But they gotta shoot me to get through to some of these people. I'm not letting them take your child. Can you let them take you child?

VOICES: No, no, no, no.

WOMAN 2: Are we gonna die?

JONES: What's that?

WOMAN 2: You mean you want us to die ...

JONES: I want to see (voices shouting) ... please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please.

WOMAN 3: Are you saying that you think we could have smaller blame than other children were? Because if you're saying ...

JONES: Do you think I'd put John's16 life above others? If I put John's life above others, I wouldn't be standing with Ujara. I'd send John out, and he could go out on the driveway tonight.

WOMAN 3: Because he's young.

JONES: I know, but he's no different to me than any of these children here. He's just one of my children. I don't prefer one above another. I don't prefer him above Ujara. I can't do that; I can't separate myself from your actions or his actions. If you'd done something wrong, I'd stand with you. If they wanted to come and get you, they'd have to take me.

MAN 2: We're all ready to go. If you tell us we have to give our lives now, we're ready--all the rest of the sisters and brothers are with me.17

JONES: Some months I've tried to keep this thing from happening. But I now see it's the will--it's the will of Sovereign Being that this happen to us. That we lay down our lives to protest against what's being done. That we lay down our lives to protest at what's being done. The criminality of people. The cruelty of people.

Who walked out of here today? See all those who walked out? Mostly white people. Mostly white people walked. I'm so grateful for the ones that didn't--those who knew who they are. I just know that there's no point-- there's no point to this. We are born before our time. They won't accept us. And I don't think we should sit here and take any more time for our children to be endangered. Because if they come after our children, and we give them our children, then our children will suffer forever.

MILLER: Do you mind if I get up?

JONES: I have no quarrel with you coming up. I like you. I personally like you very much.

MILLER: People get hostile when you try to...

JONES: Oh, some people do--but--yes, some people do. Put it that way-- I'm not hostile. You had to be honest, but you've stayed, and if you wanted to run, you'd have run with them 'cause anybody could've run today. What would anyone do? I know you're not a runner. And I--your life is precious to me. It's as precious as John's. And I don't--what I do I do with (inaudible) and justice and (inaudible). And I've weighed it against all evidence.

MILLER: That's all I've got to say.

JONES: What comes now folks? What comes now?

MAN 3: Everybody hold it. Sit down.

]ONES: Say. Say. Say peace. Say Peace. Say Peace. Say Peace. What's come. Don't let--Take Dwyer on down to the east house. Take Dwyer.18

WOMAN 4: Everybody be quiet, please.

]ONES: (Inaudible) ... got some respect for our lives.

MCELVANE: That means sit down, sit down. Sit down.

JONES: They know. (Groan.) I tried so very, very hard.19 They're trying over here to see what's going to happen (inaudible). Who is it? (Voices)

Get Dwyer out of here before something happens to him.* Dwyer. I'm not talking about Ujara. I said Dwyer. Ain't nobody gonna take Ujara. I'm not lettin' em take Ujara. It's easy, it's easy... (Inaudible.)

Yes, my love.

*What raises questions about the authenticity of the audiotape is that U.S. Embassy official Richard Dwyer was wounded at the Port Kaituma airstrip while the suicides were in progress.

WOMAN 5: At one time, I felt just like Christine herself. But after today I don't feel anything because the biggest majority of people that left here today for a fight, and I know it really hurt my heart because--

JONES: Broke your heart, didn't it?

WOMAN 5: Broke my heart completely. All of this year the white people had been with us, and they're not a part of us. So we might as well end it now because I don't see ...

JONES: It's all over. The congressman has been murdered. (Music and singing.) Well, it's all over, all over. What a legacy, what a legacy. What the Red Brigade doin' that once ever made any sense anyway? They invaded our privacy. They came into our home. They followed us six thousand miles away. Red Brigade showed them justice. The congressman's dead. (Music only.)

Please get us some medication. It's simple. It's simple. There's no convulsions with it. It's just simple. Just, please get it. Before it's too late. The GDF20 will be here, I tell you. Get movin', get movin', get movin'.

WOMAN 6: Now. Do it now!

JONES: Don't be afraid to die. You'll see, there'll be a few people land out here. They'll torture some of our children here. They'll torture our people. They'll torture our seniors. We cannot have this.

Are you going to separate yourself from whoever shot the congressman? I don't know who shot him.

voices: No. No. No.

(Music.)

JONES: Let's make our peace. And those who had a right to go, and they had a right to--How many are dead? Aw, God Almighty, God. Huh? Patty Parks is dead?

WOMAN 7: Some of the others who endure long enough in a safe place could write about the goodness of Jim Jones.

JONES: I don't know how in the world they're ever going to write about us. It's just too late. It's too late. The congressman's dead. The congressman lays dead. Many of our traitors are dead. They're all layin' out there dead. (Inaudible.)

I didn't, but my people did. My people did. They're my people, and they've been provoked too much. They've been provoked too much. What's happened here's been since Tuesday's been an act of provocation.

WOMAN 8: What about Ted? If there's any way it's possible to, eh, have and to give Ted something to take then, I'm satisfied, okay?21

JONES: Okay.

WOMAN 8: I said, if there's anyway you can do before I have to give Ted something, so he won't have to let him go through okay, and I'm satisfied.

JONES: That's fine. Okay, yes. Yes. Yes.

WOMAN 9: Thank you for everything. You are the only. You are the only. And I appreciate you. (Applause.)

JONES: Please, can we hasten? Can we hasten with that medication? You don't know what you've done. I tried. (Applause, music, singing.)

They saw it happen and ran into the bush and dropped the machine guns. I never in my life.22 But not any more. But we've got to move. Are you gonna get that medication here? You've got to move. Marceline,23 about forty minutes.

JUDY IJAMES OR JOYCE TOUCHETTE:24 You have to move, and the people that are standing there in the aisles, go stand in the radio room yard.25 Everybody get behind the table and back this way, okay. There's nothing to worry about. Everybody keep calm and try and keep your children calm. And all those children that help, let the little children in and reassure them. They're not crying from pain. It's just a little bitter tasting. They're not crying out of any pain. Annie Miguel, can I please see you back ...

MCELVANE: ... Things I used to do before I came here. So let me tell you about it. It might make a lot of you feel a little more comfortable. Sit down and be quiet, please.

One of the things I used to do--I used to be a therapist. And the kind of therapy that I did had to do with reincarnations in past life situations. And every time anybody had the experience of going into a past life, I was fortunate enough through Father to be able to let them experience it all the way through their death, so to speak. And everybody was so happy when they made that step to the other side.

]ONES: (Inaudible.) It's the only way to step. That choice is not ours now. It's out of our hands. (Children crying in the background.)

MCELVANE: If we have a body that's been crippled, suddenly you have the kind of body that you want to have.

JONES: A little rest, a little rest.

MCELVANE: It feels good. It never felt so good. Now, may I tell you. You've never felt so good as how that feels.

JONES: And I do hope that (inaudible) will stay where they belong and don't come up here.

What is it? What is it? They what? Alright, it's hard but only at first-- only at first is it hard. Hard only at first. Living--you're looking at death and it looks--living is much, much more difficult. Raising up every morning and not knowing what's going to be the night's bringing. It's much more difficult. It's much more difficult. (Crying and talking.)

WOMAN 10: I just want to say something for everyone that I see that is standing around or crying. This is nothing to cry about. This is something we could all rejoice about. We could be happy about this. They always told us that we could cry when you're coming into this world. So we're leaving it, and we're leaving it peaceful. I think we should be happy about this. I was just thinking about Jim Jones. He just has suffered and suffered and suffered. We have the honor guard, and we don't even have a chance to ... (Inaudible.) I want to give him one more chance. (Inaudible.) That's few that's gone. There's many more here. (Inaudible.) That's not all of us. That's not all yet. That's just a few that have died. I tried to get to the one that--there's a kid (inaudible) I'm looking at so many people crying. I wish you would not cry. And just thank Father. (Inaudible.) ... (sustained applause.) I've been here about one year and nine months. And I never felt better in my life. Not in San Francisco. But until I came to Jonestown. I had a very good life. I had a beautiful life. I don't see nothing that I could be sorry about. We should be happy. At least I am. (Inaudible.) (Applause, music.)

WOMAN 11: ... Good to be alive today. I just like to thank Dad cause he was the only one that stood up for me when I needed him. And thank you, Dad.

WOMAN 12: I'm glad you're my brothers and sisters, and I'm glad to be here. Okay.

(Voices.)

JONES:26 Please. For God's sake, let's get on with it. We've lived--we've lived as no other people lived and loved. We've had as much of this world as you're gonna get. Let's just be done with it. Let's be done with the agony of it. (Applause.)

It's far, far harder to have to walk through every day, die slowly--and from the time you're a child 'til the time you get gray, you're dying.

Dishonest, and I'm sure that they'll--they'll pay for it. They'll pay for it. This is a revolutionary suicide. This is not a self destructive suicide. So they'll pay for this. They brought this upon us. And they'll pay for that. I leave that destiny to them.

(Voices.)

Who wants to go with their child has a right to go with their child. I think it's humane. I want to go--I want to see you go, though. They can take me and do what they want--whatever they want to do. I want to see you go. I don't want to see you go through this hell no more. No more. No more. No more.

We're trying. If everybody will relax. The best thing you do to relax, and you will have no problem. You'll have no problem with this thing if you just relax.

MAN 4: ... A great deal because it's Jim Jones. And the way the children are laying there now. I'd rather see them lay like that than to see them have to die like the Jews did, which was pitiful anyhow. And I just like to thank Dad for giving us life and also death. And I appreciate the fact of the way our children are going. Because, like Dad said, when they come in, what they're gonna do to our children--they're gonna massacre our children. And also the ones that they take capture, they're gonna just let them grow up and be dummies like they want them to be. And not grow up to be a person like the one and only Jim Jones. So I'd like to thank Dad for the opportunity for letting Jonestown be not what it could be, but what Jonestown is. Thank you, Dad. (Applause.)

JONES: It's not to be afeared. It is not to be feared. It is a friend. It's a friend ... sitting there, show your love for one another. Let's get gone. Let's get gone. Let's get gone. (Children crying.) We had nothing we could do. We can't--we can't separate ourselves from our own people. For twenty years laying in some old rotten nursing home. (Music.) Taking us through all these anguish years. They took us and put us in chains and that's nothing. This business--that business--there's no comparison to that, to this.

They've robbed us of our land, and they've taken us and driven us and we tried to find ourselves. We tried to find a new beginning. But it's too late. You can't separate yourself from your brother and your sister. No way I'm going to do it. I refuse. I don't know who fired the shot. I don't know who killed the congressman. But as far as I am concerned, I killed him. You understand what I'm saying? I killed him. He had no business coming. I told him not to come.

WOMAN 13: Right, right.

(Music and crying.)

JONES: I, with respect, die with a degree of dignity. Lay down your life with dignity. Don't lay down with tears and agony. There's nothing to death. It's like Mac27 said, it's just stepping over to another plane. Don't be this way. Stop this hysterics. This is not the way for people who are Socialists or Communists to die. No way for us to die. We must die with some dignity. We must die with some dignity. We will have no choice. Now we have some choice. Do you think they're gonna allow this to be done--allow us to get by with this? You must be insane.

Look children, it's just something to put you to rest. Oh, God. (Children crying.)

Mother, Mother, Mother, Mother, Mother, please. Mother, please, please, please. Don't--don't do this. Don't do this. Lay down your life with your child. But don't do this.

WOMAN 14: We're doing all of this for you.

JONES: Free at last. Keep--keep your emotions down. Keep your emotions down. Children, it will not hurt. If you'd be--if you'll be quiet. If you'll be quiet.

(Music and crying.)

It's never been done before, you say. It's been done by every tribe in history. Every tribe facing annihilation. All the Indians of the Amazon are doing it right now. They refuse to bring any babies into the world. They kill every child that comes into the world. Because they don't want to live in this kind of a world.

So be patient. Be patient. Death is--I tell you, I don't care how many screams you hear. I don't care how many anguished cries. Death is a million times preferable to ten more days of this life. If you knew what was ahead of you--if you knew what was ahead of you, you'd be glad to be stepping over tonight.

Death, death, death is common to people. And the Eskimos, they take death in their stride. Let's be digni--let's be dignified. If you quit tell them they're dying--if you adults would stop some of this nonsense. Adults, adults, adults. I call on you to stop this nonsense. I call on you to quit exciting your children when all they're doing is going to a quiet rest. I call on you to stop this now if you have any respect at all. Are we black, proud, and Socialist, or what are we? Now stop this nonsense. Don't carry this on anymore. You're exciting your children.

No, no sorrow--that it's all over. I'm glad it's over. Hurry, hurry my children. Hurry. All I think (inaudible) from the hands of the enemy. Hurry, my children. Hurry. There are seniors out here that I'm concerned about. Hurry. I don't want to leave my seniors to this mess. Only quickly, quickly, quickly, quickly, quickly.... Good knowing you.

No more pain now. No more pain, I said (inaudible). No more pain. Jim Cobb28 is laying on the airfield dead at this moment. (Applause.) Remember the Oliver woman said she--she'd come over and kill me if her son wouldn't stop her? These, these are the people--the peddlers of hate. All we're doing is laying down our lives. We're not letting them take our lives. We're laying down our lives. Peace in their lives. They just want peace. (Music.)

MAN 5: All I would like to say is that my, uhm--my so-called parents are filled with so much hate--

JONES: (Clapping--not applause.) Stop this, stop this, stop this. Stop this crying, all of you.

MAN 5:--Hate and treachery. I think you people out here should think about how your relatives were and be glad about that the children are being laid to rest. And all I'd like to say is that I thank Dad for making me strong to stand with it all and make me ready for it. Thank you.

JONES: All they do is taking a drink. They take it to go to sleep. That's what death is, sleep. You can have it (inaudible) I'm tired of it all.

WOMAN 15: Everything we could have ever done, most loving thing all of us could have done, and it's been a pleasure walking with all of you in this revolutionary struggle. No other way I would rather go to give my life for socialism, communism, and I thank Dad very, very much.

WOMAN 16: Right. Yes, eh. Dad's love and nursing, goodness and kindness and bring us to this land of freedom. His love--his mother was the advance --the advance guard to socialism. And his love (inaudible) will go on forever unto the fields of--

JONES: Where's the vat, the vat, the vat? Where's the vat with the Green C on it? The vat with the Green C in. Bring it so the adults can begin.29

WOMAN 16: Go on unto the sing, and thank you Dad.

JONES: (Inaudible.) ... Don't, don't fail to follow my advice. You'll be sorry. You'll be sorry. If we do it, than that they do it. Have trust. You have to step across. (Music.) We used to think this world was--this world was not our home--well, it sure isn't--we were saying--it sure wasn't.

He doesn't want to tell them. All he's doing--if they will tell them-- assure these kids. Can't some people assure these children of the relaxation of stepping over to the next plane? They set an example for others. We said --one thousand people who said, we don't like the way the world is.

VOICE: Take some.

JONES: Take our life from us. We laid it down. We got tired. We didn't commit suicide, we committed an act of revolutionary suicide protesting the conditions of an inhumane world.

(Music.)

The members of the Peoples Temple were not the only ones with this ambiguous nature. The Concerned Relatives who sought to destroy the organization used some of the very methods of propaganda that they criticized the Peoples Temple for. They were worried and at a loss as to why their family members would join such a group. They were willing to step beyond the law if necessary to rescue their loved ones who must have been brainwashed. It seems possible that the love the Concerned Relatives had for their families may have clouded their judgment and would not allow for the possibility that their relatives had made a rational choice to join the group on their own accord. Those who defected from Peoples Temple seem to indicate that people could indeed leave the organization if they so chose. But those defectors who in turn went on to passionately fight against the very group they had once supported wholeheartedly appear to be denying any responsibility for their previous actions. They apparently did not want to admit that they may have found the group appealing when they first joined. They did not seem to allow room for the possibility that the ideals held by Peoples Temple were somehow compatible with their own. Instead they would rather claim that they had been tricked in some way beyond their better judgment and that the remaining members were still under the same deception.

Much of the news media seemed to have endorsed the idea that Peoples Temple was without merit. They heard and reported the story from the perspective of its critics without a significant attempt to look at it from the other side. The critics may have had some valid concerns about the nature of Peoples Temple, yet they could hardly be considered unbiased sources of information. Many of them had family or friends who had joined up with the group, something they were very much against and thus making it difficult for them to impartially judge the situation. But it is through the media that much of the public receives its information, and with this relative one-sidedness it is no wonder that people would simply condemn Peoples Temple as a deranged cult. There may have been evil, but there was probably good as well. The people who invested their lives in the group must have felt somewhere in their hearts that they were doing something worthwhile and even commendable.

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2017, 07:32:11 PM »
^When you are unable to express yourself and can't back yourself up
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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2017, 08:33:05 PM »
I think Alka Maass wants everyone to kill themselves, insta-ban.
No way, Mr. Lahey. I NEED a cheeseburger!

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2017, 02:40:44 PM »
If this guy is messing with Randy Eliminator he's got to be gonezo.
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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2017, 09:46:06 AM »
is he banned yet

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 02:55:43 PM »
Nah, I've seen some improvement in his attitude lately.

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2017, 02:16:26 AM »
 :nesquik:

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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2017, 02:20:28 AM »
Kapap 3 indeed delivered a happy ending. I feel safer now.
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2017, 02:24:45 AM »
Really clever of randy harry and their gang of assholes on making me angry resulting in me getting banned (banning me from kapap 3 chat for NO reason)

This won't be the last you will see of me though.

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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2017, 02:34:06 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2017, 02:39:44 AM »
cya
Cya to runway 28/29 as well

Nice 101 though, I'll give you that

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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2017, 03:05:53 AM »
Literally nobody in the community likes you.  Literally no one. 

Getting banned from Kapap 3 chat should be an insta- forum & discord ban.
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2017, 03:06:28 AM »
cya
Cya to runway 28/29 as well

Nice 101 though, I'll give you that

Soft comebacks  :pimp:
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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2017, 05:05:34 AM »
"Time's a teacher spitting since I was tying sneakers" - Jus


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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2017, 07:36:50 AM »

Getting banned from Kapap 3 chat should be an insta- forum & discord ban.
dude I did not say or do anything wrong in the kapap 3 chat

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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2017, 08:02:50 AM »
Yeah tbh, that's also what I thought. Didn't notice you saying anything retarded in chat but the Discord administrator said you were spamming. Sam also posted a snapshot of a log of where you were spam-calling him about 50 times though, which I think is not the brightest thing to do. It would have been wiser if you made an alt in chat and just quietly watched it. Instead you decided to make matters worse.

Everyone does find you annoying though. I think you need to work on being aware of this and strive to improve yourself before you get ousted from the Elite for good. You can only get away with being annoying if you have some credibility and even then it's frowned upon.

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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2017, 09:44:00 AM »
Don't entirely understand what i had to do with this, was just trying to watch Kapap and got 5 calls from him and blocked but what a shame  :nesquik:

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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2017, 03:44:27 PM »
Harry, you and Randy have been complete assholes to me for a while. Fuck off.
 
Sam didn't tbh, I have apologized to him because he isn't a piece of shit like you guys.

It really is pathetic it took you all 4 months to ban me, even more pathetic is Goose's completely empty threat for Spagooda the admin to resign "The Discord admin will act in accordance with the results of the poll (or have the choice to resign if they refuse)".

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2017, 04:43:03 PM »
Harry, you and Randy have been complete assholes to me for a while. Fuck off.
 
Sam didn't tbh, I have apologized to him because he isn't a piece of shit like you guys.

It really is pathetic it took you all 4 months to ban me, even more pathetic is Goose's completely empty threat for Spagooda the admin to resign "The Discord admin will act in accordance with the results of the poll (or have the choice to resign if they refuse)".

If this is your demeanor then this is why you're banned. Get your shit together.

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2017, 04:45:12 PM »
So thats why anytime I've said something majority of discord has agreed right? But nah its just me and Randy being "assholes" yeah?
I had nothing to do with your ban from birdies chat or discord either, its entirely your own doing.
Start looking inwards instead of blaming outwards...

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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2017, 05:09:52 PM »
Alec, this is only my demeanor when people are assholes and retards. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Stop denying that you're an asshole to me Harry, numerous people have said you, randy, and others have been giving me shit for a while. You guys are part of the group of assholes who just give me shit. You guys even have a secret discord for this shit which almost seems like a shit on alkamaass discord group to me.

Yeah sure I got mad, I can be blamed for that since I am a very stubborn person. You guys triggered this though, why would I do this shit if nothing happened at all?


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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2017, 05:15:14 PM »
I repeat nothing ive ever said is unprovoked, only  by the rubbish you spout into discord. Im blunt and stopped giving a shit how i spoke to you but it wasn't uncalled for by any means.

And secret Alka hate discord? We really care about you that much? We just rather not spam GE/have other people in/Vid call mate you aren't that important

And people are welcome to their opinions :)

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« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2017, 05:29:34 PM »
Your shitting had been as of lately mostly pretty nonconstructive criticism; very little substance to them. A lot of them were just pretty stupid and contributed nothing. I'm sure if I said the same kind of shit back I would've been banned then so I didn't. Good luck with going back to your education when you are too retarded to do basic math. And I am not saying that this other discord was dedicated to hating on me, I'm saying it simply seemed to be full of the people shitting on me.

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2017, 05:33:05 PM »
Sure dude GLHF

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2017, 06:28:25 PM »
Should start a new poll **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE FORUMS" VOTE**
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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2017, 06:42:51 PM »
Your shitting had been as of lately mostly pretty nonconstructive criticism; very little substance to them. A lot of them were just pretty stupid and contributed nothing. I'm sure if I said the same kind of shit back I would've been banned then so I didn't. Good luck with going back to your education when you are too retarded to do basic math. And I am not saying that this other discord was dedicated to hating on me, I'm saying it simply seemed to be full of the people shitting on me.
Hey now we don't have to involve math skill

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2017, 06:45:45 PM »
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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2017, 06:49:01 PM »
Lol

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2017, 06:55:26 PM »
Please make this your new mantra:





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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2017, 12:10:12 AM »
Secret discord made me lol
No way, Mr. Lahey. I NEED a cheeseburger!

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« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2017, 03:02:23 AM »
So there's a secret "shit on alka mas" discord server and NOBODY invited me? Fucking assholes, I gotta get out of this community as well.
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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2017, 11:45:03 AM »
So there's a secret "shit on alka mas" discord server and NOBODY invited me? Fucking assholes, I gotta get out of this community as well.
Stop being fucking retarded and read what I posted before.
"And I am not saying that this other discord was dedicated to hating on me, I'm saying it simply seemed to be full of the people shitting on me."

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2017, 12:13:03 PM »
We did try constructive criticism for a while - now it seems like you've gone from simply not taking it to being proud of how much you shit up the community. As to Randy and Harry and I being assholes to you (which we are), the whole "do unto others" bit doesn't work when everyone already finds you insufferable. I hope you can change your attitude a bit, but in the meantime, I'm gonna go ahead and keep banning.

As for the Discord - everybody else let me know if you need an invite to the Alkamass Shitting StationTM

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« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2017, 12:48:21 PM »
We did try constructive criticism for a while - now it seems like you've gone from simply not taking it to being proud of how much you shit up the community. As to Randy and Harry and I being assholes to you (which we are), the whole "do unto others" bit doesn't work when everyone already finds you insufferable. I hope you can change your attitude a bit, but in the meantime, I'm gonna go ahead and keep banning.

As for the Discord - everybody else let me know if you need an invite to the Alkamass Shitting StationTM
I had taken the advice of the constructive criticism and behavior was just fine before what happened. I will repeat again and again there is nothing wrong with my attitude until assholes are put into the equation. If people found me "insufferable" they should've blocked me on there, which people who are logical (like Goose) have done, unlike you complete dumbasses. You could've saved yourselves of all my "insufferable" shit over the months if you simply did a few clicks. I should've been banned months ago; the discord ban is probably for the better for me thinking about it, if I really wanted to rejoin and make every single person's experience on there bad (there are actually people in there I got along with and aren't pieces of shit) I could make you guys miserable by having hundreds of alt accounts joining the discord. That would be a complete waste of time, so you can guess that "shouldn't" happen.

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2017, 02:49:29 PM »
Why do you continue to interact with a community where literally nobody likes you?  Not one single person appreciates or finds value in your presence.

Go join a brony or atheist club at college, maybe you can find friends there.
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« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2017, 05:05:36 PM »
Why do you continue to interact with a community where literally nobody likes you?  Not one single person appreciates or finds value in your presence.

Go join a brony or atheist club at college, maybe you can find friends there.
Maybe it's hard for you to believe, but there are people who don't have a problem with me. I am literally planning to go to another eliter's house for a Rubik's Cube competition, and this eliter has said they are up for doing so. Keep your delusions to you and your stream.

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« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2017, 05:19:51 PM »
Maybe it's hard for you to believe, but there are people who don't have a problem with me.

No, there aren't.
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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2017, 05:51:51 PM »
I'm really curious what this guy must have done to provoke so much hatred?

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2017, 06:04:45 PM »
Maybe it's hard for you to believe, but there are people who don't have a problem with me.

No, there aren't.
You will have the evidence refuting this coming after this meetup.

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2017, 06:15:28 PM »
I'm really curious what this guy must have done to provoke so much hatred?

Saying shit like "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" to justify him being a shitter.  :rollin:
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Re: **THE OFFICIAL "SHOULD ALKAMAASS BE BANNED FROM ELITE DISCORD" VOTE**
« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2017, 10:30:33 PM »

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« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2017, 12:17:54 PM »
I'm really curious what this guy must have done to provoke so much hatred?

You ever have a retarded or autistic cousin, who, at family hangouts, meetups and Thanksgivings, literally ruins every single moment by chiming in with some comment that just destroys the mood, sucks the life out of everyone, or makes things super unfun, having to cater down to the lowest denominator?

Imagine that happening, 24/7, in your favourite online community.
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