Post by: Boss on April 18, 2006, 12:52:00 am
Dam: 52/116/155
Facility: 45/53/53
Runway: 21/22/36
Surface 1: 102/146/146
Bunker 1: 17/21/101
Silo: 101/104/118
Frigate: 23/58/103
Surface 2: 50/51/115
Bunker 2: 24/43/54
Statue: 217/217/217
Archives: 16/54/54
Streets: 112/154/154
Depot: 25/41/47
Train: 59/122/147
Jungle: 51/53/54
Control: 355/402/403
Caverns: 101/118/133
Cradle: 33/34/34
Aztec: 130/132/133
Egyptian: 45/45/45
Post by: Jack-sn on April 18, 2006, 01:04:00 am
But I must say that a 22 runway SA would be EXTREMELY hard job. As if in agent wasn't hard enough...
Would be no harder than Aztec 1:34, I've seen a TAS of it ending with 1:35, and was pretty perfect.
Statue A 2:18 would be a problem too, with boosts from shotgun guards.
And a depot twenty FIVE? Good god, it would be nearly godlike.
And well, I could just keep talking about all other times, but I don't know the other levels enough to say anything, and besides, it's two o'clock in the morning and I need to wake up at 6. So, night, everyone!
(I read it again and I thought I was pretty rude. Well, it's not the intention
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Post by: deletedprofile.u on April 18, 2006, 01:22:00 am
Dam A 53
Runway A 22
Runway SA 23 - I seriously doubt enough boosts could be produced in addition to destroying the battery
Runway 00 36 - grenade strat!
Bunker 1 A 17
Frigate A 23
Surface 2 A 50
Bunker 2 A 24
Statue 219s, but Agent would obviously be more difficult
Archives A 16
Streets A 113
Streets 00 157 - anyone who claims lower is lying
Depot A 26
Caverns A 102
Cradle A 34
Cradle SA/00 35
Post by: Troublesome Moral Code on April 18, 2006, 01:36:00 am
Faciility: 45/53/53
Runway: 22/23/37
Surface 1: 102/146/146
Bunker 1: 17/21/101
Silo: 100/104/118
Frigate: 23/58/103
Surface 2: 50/51/115
Bunker 2: 24/45/57
Statue: 219/218/218
Archives: 16/54/54
Streets: 112/154/154
Depot: 25/42/48
Train: 59/124/147
Jungle: 51/53/54
Control: 357/403/404
Caverns: 100/118/133
Cradle: 33/34/34
Aztec: 130/133/134
Egyptian: 45/45/45
I would add my opinion on each individual level and difficulty but that's going to take way too long so it's going to have to wait for now
BUT that's what I think, although for some levels I'm not able to put a lot of thought into right now so I'm going to be coming back and editing my guesses.
Post by: bcks on April 18, 2006, 01:49:00 am
Dam: 52/117/157 (someone get a pwnage 4 boost run on agent)
Faciility: 45/53/53
Runway: 22/23/36(nade strat)
Surface 1: 102/146/146 (nade strats for sa/00)
Bunker 1: 17/21/104 (boris running strat)
Silo: 101/106/124
Frigate: 22/59/105 (22 could happen with some boosts and the door open)
Surface 2: 50/51/118 (multiple nades for 00)
Bunker 2: 24/45/57
Statue: 217/217/217
Archives: 16/54/54
Streets: 112/154/154
Depot: 26/41/47
Train: 101/125/149
Jungle: 51/53/54
Control: 356/407/408
Caverns: 101/119/132
Cradle: 34/35/35
Aztec: 128/135/138
Egyptian: 45/46/46 (i say so)
Post by: Jack-sn on April 18, 2006, 02:37:00 am
...I think.
Post by: SupaOdin on April 18, 2006, 02:40:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on April 18, 2006, 02:52:00 am
Post by: Cervone on April 18, 2006, 04:10:00 am
Post by: flukey lukey on April 18, 2006, 05:10:00 am
102 will be done... lower is not humanly possible
Post by: Troublesome Moral Code on April 18, 2006, 05:15:00 am
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for statue, whatever amount of boosts you can get on sa/00 you can still get on agent, since we're talking maxes here. so only idiots would make agent slower.
Yeah, we can go ahead and assume he's talking to me. Like I said, and I won't say it again, I didn't think my list through. I was going on past assumptions on what can be achieved on Statue.
Post by: bcks on April 18, 2006, 06:29:00 am
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Well, you got your 53 with 0 boosts, so imgaine the fastest gate you ever seen, throw in 3,4, or 5 boosts, and it should be possible.
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Well 103 is possible with 2 boosts i believe, or perhaps someone got it like that, but 3-4 more, makes 102, throw in a few more and 101 could happen. Theres what like 10+ spots for different boosts, sure some are rare, but they do happen.
Post by: GoldenGreg007 on April 18, 2006, 07:18:00 am
Post by: DYM on April 18, 2006, 07:43:00 am
Facility 0:45 / 0:53 / 0:53
Runway 0:22 / 0:22 / 0:36
Surface 1 1:02 / 1:46 / 1:46
Bunker 1 0:17 / 0:21 / 1:02
Silo 1:01 / 1:05 / 1:17
Frigate 0:23 / 0:58 / 1:02
Surface 2 0:50 / 0:51 / 1:18
Bunker 2 0:24 / 0:44 / 0:55
Statue 2:17 / 2:17 / 2:17
Archives 0:16 / 0:54 / 0:54
Streets 1:12 / 1:54 / 1:54
Depot 0:26 / 0:41 / 0:47
Train 0:58 / 1:22 / 1:47
Jungle 0:51 / 0:53 / 0:54
Control 3:56 / 4:03 / 4:04
Caverns 1:01 / 1:19 / 1:34
Cradle 0:33 / 0:34 / 0:34
Aztec 1:30 / 1:32 / 1:34
Egypt 0:45 / 0:45 / 0:45
Post by: eNinentor on April 18, 2006, 08:04:00 am
...some day I might prove that if I get better
Post by: Illu on April 18, 2006, 08:19:00 am
Post by: flukey lukey on April 18, 2006, 11:19:00 am
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Well 103 is possible with 2 boosts i believe, or perhaps someone got it like that, but 3-4 more, makes 102, throw in a few more and 101 could happen. Theres what like 10+ spots for different boosts, sure some are rare, but they do happen.
ive done a 103 with 1 boost. Im sure that 103 is possible with no boosts. BUT... you have to take into account the situation. for 103 without boosts, the run must be Absoblutely perfect. this in itself is rediculous. i think as there are many boosts available you will think alot more time can be saved. the problem is that this isnt the case. 102 will be done with an awesome run, and 4 or more boosts. in the level i think you can have 1,2 - 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 boosts absoblutely MAX. This will simply NOT be achieved by a human. I think 6 is realistic. Watch Bryans 103. he got 6:1 i think... and his run was only 103. I must say, with this many boosts he should have achieved a 102, but he was struck with some bad luck on the second catwalk, maybe making all the difference.
Anyway...
what im trying to say is that 101 wont be done. Please someone prove me wrong. Its easy to say... yeah, 7 boosts, 101 
NO! with all the boosts you will still have to play a really nice run to get that 102. im pretty sure i know this because i have what... 31 103's
Post by: PDplum on April 18, 2006, 12:04:00 pm
one thing i have never understood with this elite is the prinicples. To lower the times in the game to the most humanly possible ever, yet i find very little record if any of mass attempts elite wide on a certain level. If everyone that still played was attempting levels, tried caverns A for 2 days one of you will get a 102. i'd bet my bank account on it
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Post by: flukey lukey on April 18, 2006, 01:35:00 pm
i dont care about 103, it sucks.
Post by: Illu on April 18, 2006, 02:36:00 pm
Post by: typosaur on April 18, 2006, 03:26:00 pm
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one thing i have never understood with this elite is the prinicples. To lower the times in the game to the most humanly possible ever, yet i find very little record if any of mass attempts elite wide on a certain level. If everyone that still played was attempting levels, tried caverns A for 2 days one of you will get a 102. i'd bet my bank account on it
Monthly Frigate Fridays and Surface Sundays would do the trick. And uhm.. some other events like Jungle Joy (yeah it doesn't sound too good, but the winner gets to slnga sig i Axel's lian). Kinda sad we're too late for Egypt Easter, that would've been a good idea as well.
Anyway, I almost fell off my chair seeing the times posted here as I at first glance thought it was a future WR prediction of some sort and not just maxes. What's quite interesting is that most see Frigate 23 MAXED, which in itself says a whole lot about the quality in Wouter's WR run. That's utterly amazing. Personally I don't think the current strat would allow for a 22 completage to be done considering the incredible amount of luck involved and the consistency required. Also, do the hostages EVER escape in time for a 22 completage?
Post by: Wyst3r on April 18, 2006, 03:36:00 pm
And those "maxes" are imo pretty silly since pretty much none of them will ever be achieved. What's more interresting is human max which is what i will predict:
Dam: 53/1:17/1:58
Facility: 46/55/55
Runway: 22/22/37
Surface: 1:02/1:49/1:49
Bunker: 17/21/1:05
Silo: 1:03/1:10/1:27
Frigate: 23/1:00/1:07
Surface: 51/52/1:23
Bunker: 24/47/1:02
Statue: 2:19/2:19/2:19
Archives: 16/54/54
Streets: 1:13/1:55/1:55
Depot: 26/43/50
Train: 1:02/1:26/1:53
Jungle: 52/56/56
Control: 3:58/4:10/4:10
Caverns: 1:02/1:21/1:38
Cradle: 34/35/35
Aztec: 1:32/1:36/1:37
Egypt: 46/46/46
Post by: RWG on April 18, 2006, 03:59:00 pm
Dam - 0:53/1:17/1:58
Fac - 0:45/0:53/0:53
Run - 0:22/0:22/0:37
Sf1 - 1:02/1:48/1:48
Bk1 - 0:17/0:22/1:04
Sil - 1:03/1:10/1:26
Frg - 0:23/1:01/1:07
Sf2 - 0:50/0:53/1:24
Bk1 - 0:24/0:47/0:58
Sta - 2:19/2:19/2:18
Arc - 0:16/0:54/0:54
Str - 1:12/1:54/1:54
Dep - 0:25/0:42/0:49
Trn - 1:03/1:26/1:50
Jun - 0:51/0:55/0:55
Con - 3:56/4:08/4:08
Cav - 1:02/1:20/1:36
Cra - 0:33/0:34/0:34
Azt - 1:31/1:37/1:42
Egy - 0:46/0:46/0:46
Too lazy to exlain things right now.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on April 18, 2006, 04:53:00 pm
Post by: bcks on April 18, 2006, 10:20:00 pm
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on April 18, 2006, 11:06:00 pm
Post by: bcks on April 18, 2006, 11:09:00 pm
Post by: flukey lukey on April 18, 2006, 11:38:00 pm
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on April 18, 2006, 11:38:00 pm
Post by: RWG on April 18, 2006, 11:49:00 pm
"Wouter's times by the end of our lives"
Though he may prove us all wrong on a few.
Post by: Narigutita on April 19, 2006, 12:33:00 am
edit: just saw the whole topic, bryan posted it can be done
btw, wtf bryan, 21 runway? what boost rate?
Post by: bcks on April 19, 2006, 01:24:00 am
Post by: vitor on April 19, 2006, 09:50:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on April 20, 2006, 08:13:00 am
and.. I wouldn't call currently irrealistic times 'good maxes'
Post by: Lark on April 20, 2006, 07:17:00 pm
Post by: Narigutita on April 20, 2006, 11:36:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on April 21, 2006, 01:49:00 am
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on April 21, 2006, 02:43:00 am
Post by: flukey lukey on April 21, 2006, 03:27:00 am
im looking forward to wouters unwhored, if it EVER happens
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on April 21, 2006, 04:26:00 am
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To see that, just wait the end of our lives
Post by: Wouter Jansen on April 21, 2006, 08:10:00 am
everyone tries to put me under pressure as if I have to get times. I decide whether or not I play and what I play.
also, whenever I criticize a run, you can actually think about it and perhaps improve your own skills instead of just denying what I say by 'the run is good enough, nothing can be perfect'. critizing can be helpful if you don't always see it as a threat or always be defensive about your imperfect results. if you can't produce perfection, you have to accept that there's people that will always critize it, no matter if it's because they try to help you or to put you down. either way, you can just pretend it is to help you and make it worthwhile.
Post by: Brucmack on April 21, 2006, 08:21:00 am
- Closet Wouter Fan
Post by: flukey lukey on April 21, 2006, 11:42:00 am
Post by: Narigutita on April 21, 2006, 06:07:00 pm
i love you as a player, i always liked your stuff, but that kinda of attitude just blows
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on April 22, 2006, 04:03:00 am
Right on (except for the grammar:-p)
Post by: Wouter Jansen on April 22, 2006, 02:06:00 pm
Post by: Lovins on April 24, 2006, 02:37:00 pm
But who am I to say? A lot of ppl also were convinced back (WAY back) in the day that runway :24 was maxed
So we'll never know. But here are mine.Dam: 52/117/157
Facility: 46/55/55
Runway: 22/22/38? (not familiar w/grenade strat)
Surface 1: 102/147/148 (can get more boosts on sa)
Bunker 1: 17/22/104
Silo: ?? dont know enough
Frigate: 23/??/??
Surface 2: 50/51/118
Bunker 2: 24/??/??
Statue: 219/219/219
Archives: 16/54/54
Streets: 113/155/155
Depot: 26/42/49
Train: 100/124/150
Jungle: 52/53/54
Control: ?? someone will find a breakthru strat eventually
Caverns: 102/119/???
Cradle: 34/35/35
Aztec: 130/132/133
Egyptian: 45/45/45
Post by: Illu on April 24, 2006, 05:29:00 pm
On S1 I would say for example 1:02/1:49/1:49, not even too sure about 1:49 even since 1:50 can be a pain but it's a pretty long mission but there aren't really much to improve I just think getting enough boosts to go from 1:51 to 1:50 is enough already as it seems now. Agent 1:02 I think would be possible with a clean run and amazingly fast locks, with Sniper probably, SA and 00A is such a pain with all the boost getting though I guess I would say 1:49 would be humanly maxed as it seems now to me.
Oh well I'm like this often, I'm just more in the moment and have a hard time to see what's to come and what could be possible in the future. I like more think of times I think I could get, seriously maybe 1:02 S1 heh dunno, but yeah I think that's something I might actually try for a bit.
ah wtf the nade strat on S1, ah yeah @#%$
Post by: Boss on April 24, 2006, 07:38:00 pm
Post by: RWG on April 24, 2006, 07:54:00 pm
I've said it a billion times, throwing 5 nades is nothing. Getting those 5 boosts is only a step further, and its not like the 5/4 nade boost split (leaving one at the door of course) is impossible. Extra guard boosts to make it 11 or 12 plus a generally smooth run should give 21.
Runway 21 is more reasonable than half these other maxes there.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on April 25, 2006, 09:40:00 am
Post by: flukey lukey on April 25, 2006, 10:25:00 am
@ wouters post. i completely agree. Maybe if 22 wasnt such a stretch you could start talking about 21, i cant see many people even achieving 22, let alone 21
Post by: RWG on April 25, 2006, 07:09:00 pm
Post by: ajbownes on April 25, 2006, 07:34:00 pm
Post by: RWG on April 25, 2006, 07:38:00 pm
The current strat needs TWO boosts to fail 50. If you could get a nade on strafe, two boosts would become a whole lot more realistic. There's also a theory tha nades can be thrown further than mines. Who knows.
Anyways, 51 will stand until someone hits a 2 boost run or until someone pwns a nade throw.
I DARE YOU.
Post by: ajbownes on April 25, 2006, 07:53:00 pm
Post by: Lark on June 27, 2006, 09:05:00 pm
Facility: 46/56/56
Runway: 22/23/36
Surface 1: 1:03/1:49/1:49
Bunker 1: 17/21/1:07
Silo: 1:05/1:12/1:31
Frigate: 23/1:02/1:08
Surface 2: 51/55/1:31
Bunker 2: 24/48/1:04
Statue: 2:19/2:19/2:19
Archives: 16/54/54
Streets: 1:13/1:55/1:55
Depot: 26/43/50
Train: 1:05/1:27/1:54
Jungle:53/57/58
Control: 3:59/4:11/4:15
Caverns: 1:02/1:23/1:40
Cradle:34/35/36
Aztec:1:32/1:40/1:47
Egypt: 45/46/46
Post by: Troublesome Moral Code on June 27, 2006, 09:07:00 pm
Post by: Comet on June 27, 2006, 09:21:00 pm
Post by: Lark on June 27, 2006, 09:21:00 pm
Post by: Troublesome Moral Code on June 27, 2006, 09:30:00 pm
Dam
0:53 | 1:17 | 1:57
Facility
0:46 | 0:55 | 0:55
Runway
0:22 | 0:22 | 0:36
Surface 1
1:03 | 1:49 | 1:49
Bunker 1
0:17 | 0:21 | 1:07
Silo
1:02 | 1:11 | 1:27
Frigate
0:23 | 1:00 | 1:07
Surface 2
0:51 | 0:53 | 1:25
Bunker 2
0:24 | 0:48 | 0:56
Statue
2:18 | 2:18 | 2:18 I mean uhh... 1:44 | 1:44 | 1:44
Archives
0:16 | 0:54 | 0:54
Streets
1:13 | 1:54 | 1:54
Depot
0:26 | 0:43 | 0:49
Train
1:04 | 1:26 | 1:52
Jungle
0:53 | 0:55 | 0:56
Control
3:58 | 4:10 | 4:12
Caverns
1:02 | 1:23 | 1:40
Cradle
0:34 | 0:36 | 0:36
Aztec
1:32 | 1:36 | 1:42
Egypt
0:45 | 0:45 | 0:45
Post by: RWG on June 27, 2006, 10:48:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on June 28, 2006, 03:47:00 am
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on June 28, 2006, 03:59:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on June 28, 2006, 06:04:00 am
Post by: Troublesome Moral Code on June 28, 2006, 11:11:00 am
Post by: RWG on June 28, 2006, 11:45:00 am
Post by: Illu on June 28, 2006, 12:51:00 pm
On my favourite levels I say...
Dam 0:52 - I want to think it's possible since there's still some crazy stuff to this, like Dan got 53 without a boost and the gate could have been faster. So yeah I'll get like two boosts on a perfect run some day and...
ok maybe I shouldn't even think about it.Dam SA 1:16 - yeah, well if someone ties 1:17 I might get mad and stuff so who knows
Dam 00A 1:57 - Well I think 1:58 could get annoying even, I almost, you know it'd 00A so I just.. hmm.. this is probably the least maxed still of the... eh don't know what more to say lets move on.
Aztec A 1:33 - lol well just I think so, just too much inconsistency.
Aztec SA 1:40 - too bad I don't think we'll go sub this, wtf maxes, oh right but just hmm, I'm not talking TAS yeah human MAX, just @#%$ you won't believe how hard it is to survive on a fast run without BA.
Aztec 00A 1:47 - Running with AR to the second room? that's only for SA, 00A doesn't have enough bullets, wtf Dam 52 and I don't think lower here, maybe this was a bad idea anyway, but really I think I might just try for 1:48 but not 1:47 so lol dunno.
Maybe one more random level hmm...
Control A 3:59 - there's some pushing the ending I think Bryans 4:00 was near perfect, oh this got boring I don't know what to say anymore, hope it wasn't boring to read.
Post by: RWG on November 08, 2012, 12:58:55 pm
Dam: 52/116/155
Nice work Marc :nesquik:
Statue: 217/217/217
Lol what
These threads are meant to be looked at years later so I think this is a fair bump. I was reading some old threads and there's some pretty interesting stuff in this one.
Look how intelligent I was when it came to GE speedrunning and maxes, even back then when I was only 16 years old.
for statue, whatever amount of boosts you can get on sa/00 you can still get on agent, since we're talking maxes here. so only idiots would make agent slower.
I bet some boosts are actually IMPOSSIBLE on agent on statue. I just bet you. Seriously. Like $10 or so.
Exactly one of these two people are correct, and not both :nesquik:
Post by: Darth Vader on November 08, 2012, 01:19:25 pm