Post by: Boss on September 07, 2005, 02:54:00 am
Updated April 17th, 2006
1. Bunker 1 0:17
2. Frigate 0:23
3. Runway 0:22
4. Control 4:00
5. Train 1:05
6. Streets 1:13
7. Bunker 2 0:24
8. Aztec 1:34
9. Silo 1:05
10. Statue 2:20
11. Dam 0:53
12. Cradle 0:34
13. Egyptian 0:46
14. Surface 1 1:03
15. Jungle 0:53
16. Archives 0:16
17. Surface 2 0:51
18. Facility 0:47
19. Caverns 1:03
20. Depot 0:26
Updated April 17th, 2006
1. Silo 1:12
2. Control 4:13
3. Bunker 2 0:49
4. Depot 0:43
5. Dam 1:18
6. Aztec 1:42
7. Jungle 0:57
8. Frigate 1:03
9. Train 1:29
10. Caverns 1:23
11. Statue 2:20
12. Facility 0:56
13. Surface 1 1:50
14. Cradle 0:36
15. Bunker 0:23
16. Archives 0:55
17. Egyptian 0:47
18. Streets 1:56
19. Surface 2 0:55
20. Runway 0:23
Updated April 17th, 2006
1. Depot 0:50
2. Jungle 0:58
3. Caverns 1:42
4. Bunker 1 1:07
5. Aztec 1:49
6. Train 1:56
7. Control 4:17
8. Silo 1:31
9. Frigate 1:11
10. Dam 2:00
11. Statue 2:20
12. Facility 0:56
13. Bunker 2 1:06
14. Surface 1 1:50
15. Cradle 0:36
16. Archives 0:55
17. Egyptian 0:47
18. Surface 2 1:32
19. Runway 0:38
20. Streets 1:56
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 07, 2005, 10:20:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on September 07, 2005, 01:37:00 pm
35 cradle should probably be below 24 frigate too, It's a pretty easy wr and requires less luck than frigate.
Post by: Infected Mind on September 07, 2005, 02:32:00 pm
Since it is so *luck* Based i would rate it higher, a few places at least anyways.
Post by: vitor on September 08, 2005, 03:55:00 pm
On the other hand, the skill-based levels WRs will only be achieved by really good players; well, sometimes they'll need some kind of luck, but on those levels the skill is the most important factor.
For example: you won't get 22 runway in 10 minutes, but you may get 24 frigate in 10 minutes.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 08, 2005, 04:23:00 pm
Post by: vitor on September 08, 2005, 10:35:00 pm
1. An incredible patience
2. Free time
Sorry, but that's not game skill at all. I'd like to see your point of view though.
Post by: bcks on September 08, 2005, 10:39:00 pm
1. An incredible patience
2. Free time
But im guess i don't have mediocre skill, because i've never failed a 24.
Post by: vitor on September 08, 2005, 10:46:00 pm
Mediocre is not the correct word for that, sorry. Something like constant and good at the same time, but not like <that> good.24 speed = good
23 speed = really good.
Use that.
Post by: Cervone on September 09, 2005, 01:20:00 am
Agent:
Dam 53 - Still a great record even though it is "common" by today's standards - as Bryan pointed out, it's overplayed. The bottom line is that watching a 53 run never really gets old.
Facility 47 - Not a bad time, but I'd say most people that have 48 could get 47 without that much effort, especially since using 2 mines for the last tanks is quite easy almost all 48 vids use only 2 mine boosts (instead of 4 like the 47 runs have).
Runway 22 - A fantastic time, but the availability of boosts makes this record seem more feasible than its cousin, bunker 17. I could imagine a few more players getting this if they put in the time.
Surface 1 1:03 - This is a bad level to compete for fast times on. I'm not going to complain about the strength of 103 as a record, but nobody likes a level where you have to sit on your ass, bored out of your mind with nearly all of your success depending on the last few seconds.
Bunker 1 17 - Nobody's tried seriously besides Wouter. I base the strength of this record on that I find 18s pretty hard, and imagining an extra second off of the average 18 run is surely testing the limits of the game.
Silo 1:05 - I've never liked/been good at Silo, but I respect this time quite a bit. It's very easy to lose time on Silo, and when you look at the run as a whole, Bryan really lost very little on his 1:05. Nevertheless, other players could surely do this record.
Frigate 24 - There's been enough said about this record so far in the topic.
Surface 2 0:52 - This is in the same category as the other Surface level, but 52 is much less impressive since the one part of the level that matters (the mine toss) is much less skill-oriented than the locks on S1. 51 would be pretty cool, though.
Bunker 2 0:24 - There still is quite a bit to learn about this level. I think it's safe to say that Bryan was very lucky to have gotten 24 under his circumstances. Although I think this record is weaker than the other top 3-4 agent records, it is unique in that there are many top players for which this time is just about impossible (*remembers Jimbo swearing 25 was maxed*
).Statue 2:20 - Indeed, this record is certainly a notch or two harder (whatever that means
) than 2:20 on SA/00. The Trev shot is a total bitch, boosts are more rare, so in the end 2:20 is a very admirable time.Archives 16 - Like Dam 53, a 16 run never gets old to watch. However, the level is simple enough that getting great starts consistently (*points at Greg Lewis*) would put you in a good position for getting 16.
Streets 1:13 - A great record, but within the upper echelon of the agent records (of which 1:13 certainly belongs), I'd say that this is the most feasible for the largest number of players. That's not meant to detract from the strength of the record; it's merely a result of a fairly chaotic level where lag and (obviously) boosts become huge factors that don't discriminate based on the overall skill of the player.
Depot 0:26 - By far the easiest agent record right now. It is essential to master your motion in and through the building after the train shot, but once this has been achieved, 26 is all but guaranteed.
Train 1:07 - This could be taken significantly lower, but it's an extremely complex level by normal agent standards, with a high amount of skill involved. 1:07 may not be an amazing record, but suffice it to say that it takes serious ability to achieve.
Jungle 0:53 - It's not very easy to get good runs often on Jungle, but the bottom line is that 53 isn't special. Solid, yes, but 52 should (and probably will) happen fairly soon.
Control 4:00 - A hard one to judge. On the one hand, Bryan's run looked very nice. On the other, there are still many mysteries/random factors/tricks in the level that could be utilized. Either way, 4:00 is a great feat and only a small few top players have any shot at this.
Caverns 1:03 - This time is kind of like the advanced version of Streets 1:14. A much more intricate pathway to follow, significant guard gayness... but in the end, all 1:03 boils down to is clean strafing and a few boosts.
Cradle 0:35 - I hate everything about Cradle. I really don't know much about this record, and I take pride in having never tried for it at all.
It seems like this record might have potential to become common, though, if for some reason people decided to play Cradle agent.Aztec 1:35 - Bryan summed it up well. Can't say that this is a bad record, but the best strats have not yet been successfully used to their full potential. 1:33ish would be fun to see, and will probably happen sooner rather than later.
Egypt 0:46 - I'll bet Jimbo could make this record look easy if he wanted to. Nevertheless, it's hard to discredit a record that requires the consistency needed for success here.
Secret Agent:
Dam 1:18 - This is a strong record as only a few top players are capable of achieving it. However, success on Dam SA boils down to one (very obvious) thing, and that's alarm technique. With enough practice to build up the ability to get consistent, fast alarms, 1:18 isn't very hard.
Facility 0:57 - I could see this record becoming quite a bit more common if people tried for it, since 57 isn't all that strong. All it takes is a clean run and the proper luck during the ending section.
Runway 0:23 - By far the easiest SA record. Nowhere near as cake as 23 on agent, but with good, consistent beginnings, an eventual 23 is almost certain.
Surface 1 1:50 - Long, annoying level to play. The most important thing to do when trying for this record is to always remember to use lots of good lookdown. With lookdown, good lines, and consistency with some of the hut-related objectives, 1:50 is pretty straightforward. Could become somewhat common if people tried more for it.
Bunker 1 0:23 - A good record, especially since there are still top 10 players that don't even have 25 yet. It's a strange level - one with very little good old, plain strafing. For some, this makes a time like 23 seem like a real bitch; for others, it makes it an easy level to succeed on.
Frigate 1:07 - With the new SA strat now being used, 1:07 is quite poor. Had this strat been used since the beginning, I'd bet the record would be more like 1:03. Still, hostage gayness prevents any frigate record from ever being a cakewalk.
Silo 1:12 - An awesome time. It's kind of similar to Train 1:07 in that it's a great record even though it's far from max, and that many top eliters are still 4ish seconds behind each time.
Surface 2 0:55 - Lame level, lame record. Nobody really plays this level because it's boring as fuck, but even so, 55 is easy enough that good players should give it a couple of tries. 0:54-53, however, would certainly change things.
Bunker 2 0:50 - A great time. It requires a very calm, well-controlled style of play that is very difficult to master without lots of skill and experience. The fact that the rest of the elite is 3 seconds behind, though, is more of a remark on the laziness of the elite than anything else.
Statue 2:20 - The fact that I finally ended Bryan's Statue sweep, and that several other people seem to be closing the gap will probably make 2:19 one of Bryan's first goals if/when he returns to serious GE. Nevertheless, 2:20 is still a hard time to do given the length of the mission, and the luck needed in getting things to work. Many top players still have very low chances at achieving this time.
Archives 0:56 - I'm not aware of anyone that's tried seriously for 56s and hasn't gotten them. A little bit of luck is needed, but for those who can do the start well, 56s should be no big deal.
Streets 1:56 - Experience is needed in order to minimize the time lost around the Val area, but besides for that, not much else is needed for this record other than patience for a good boost ratio. Could become common (if it isn't already).
Depot 0:43 - Personally, I think this time is quite a bit overrated (most likely because it was Wouter's first untied in a long time, that kind of stuff). The train shot is not nearly as daunting as it used to be - there are quite a few players that claim 60ish% or better success rates with the train shot. If this is the case, 0:43 requires little more than a clean strafing and (of course) complete objectives. However, that aside, only a handful of players even have 44, and 43 is a fairly huge step up from that.
Train 1:43 - The main thing this record has going for it is that train is a bitch of a level (personally, I think SA is the biggest bitch of all the train difficulties). That aside however, 1:43 does not need a very good run. This record should be fairly straightforward for people with enough patience to power through the level until the right run happens.
Jungle 0:57 - This is a very good record and very hard to do, but I would hesitate from calling 57 fully satisfying. The skill level needed puts this record out of reach for a great number of top gamers, but full ownage of this level has not happened yet.
Control 4:13 - 4:13 is absolutely out of the question unless you are highly skilled in nearly all aspects of the game and very experienced on Control. That aside, however, the record is still quite improvable for those who meet the aforementioned criteria (as of right now, that probably only includes me and Bryan
, but that will change eventually).Caverns 1:23 - People tend to regard tied records as of lesser quality than untieds, but 1:23 is probably just as good/better than a lot of the current untieds. True, it's still very improvable, but only a few players are capable of 1:23.
Cradle 0:36 - The best cradle record, but I don't think that's saying much. There's a whole mountain of gayness to overcome in getting 36. Jimbo doesn't think much of it, but then again, Jimbo doesn't think much at all, really. All in all though, I'd bet 36 on Cradle stays rare for a long time.
Aztec 1:45 - This level has certainly not been given proper justice. 1:45 isn't necessarily bad, and it's certainly not easy to do, but the potential for improvement is too great to consider 1:45 as anything more than an average record at best.
Egypt 0:47 - Whatever. I'm hungry and want breakfast. Who cares about Egypt anyway...
00 Agent:
Dam 2:00 - It's frustrating to have a record so close to breaking the 2:00 barrier, but the truth is that 2:00 is a good time that's hard to beat. As Bryan pointed out, once you have runs in the 1:59-2:01ish range, survival is a lot more difficult than on 2:04ish runs. Throw in some not too easy objectives and a long mission length, and 2:00 is not something many can do.
Facility 0:57 - This is quite a bit harder than its SA counterpart, since one must be much more careful with things like ammo use and mine boosts. The guards are gayer, too. Still, 57 is not a large stretch if you already have 58, so this record isn't special.
Runway 0:38 - Nobody has ever tried for this record (and that's including Bryan
). However, like Bryan said, 38 should be possible with 2 boosts and left strafe to the key, coupled of course with good strafing and ending. 38 has been untied for quite some time, but given the simplicity of the level and cakiness of 39, it would be very surprising to see several people not get 38 if they tried for it.Surface 1 1:50 - Same description as SA, and about the same difficulty as SA. True, it's a bit easier to get boosts, but surviving the level is not a guarantee on 00.
Bunker 1 1:07 - Bryan was pretty lucky to get this, since it's very uncommon to get all the luck to go your way (nades, Boris, etc) on this level. Although 1:07 might not be maxed, I think that right now only Wouter and Jimbo have the b1 experience needed for this record.
Silo 1:32 - Nowhere near max, but 1:32 is still quite hard to do considering the chaos of Silo, and the challenge of survival on 00A. There are several eliters that could definitely do this record, but Silo is an overplayed level and it's a testament to 1:32's strength that is has remained untied by 2 seconds for as long as it has.
Frigate 1:13 - It's difficult to get this record to as low as it can realistically go, so 1:13 is really only a tiny step in the right direction. However, there is lots that can go wrong on this mission, and getting all the way back to the boat on a good run is more rare than it used to be. 1:13 is alright considering the small amount of attempts that have been made at it, but expect this record to fall by a lot once the hours of play start to pile up.
Surface 2 1:32 - The hardest part of this record is having the patience to wait for nades, and the level-headedness to perform well on runs when nades do come. Speedwise, 1:32 is weak. Many mistakes can be made and still allow for lower than 1:32. It's a very frustrating level to play, but that won't stop this record from plummeting into the 1:20s when all the right parts fall into place.
Bunker 2 1:06 - A ridiculously complicated level, and for that reason 1:06 is by no means easy. Yet, a serious effort on the mission could bring this lower by up to several seconds.
Statue 2:20 - A little bit easier than SA due to the increased likelihood of boosts, but the aspects of this record are no different.
Archives 0:56 - Same as SA, but guards can be slightly gayer, and more care is needed with ammo use. These, however, are only minor alterations from SA 0:56.
Streets 1:56 - Same as SA. Boosts are a bit easier to get, but the Val area becomes harder to do.
Depot 0:50 - An awesome record that could stay untied for a very long time. 51 (although much weaker than 50) was untied for like 900 days, so it's safe to say Wouter destroys the competition on Depot 00. A clean run with very fast box shots is needed. Couple that with the difficulty of completing the objectives, and the lag accompanying the train shot, and 50 is very hard to do.
Train 2:11 - Bryan overrated this by quite a bit in his original post (which he then edited). The strength of this record is that much of the elite is still may seconds behind, and that Train is a difficult level to survive through to the end. The weakness of this record is that a relatively clean run with an aggressive ending (not easy to do) could easily take this record lower. I think of 2:11 as an average 00A record.
Jungle 0:58 - Jungle 00 is extremely hard to survive, and just as hard--if not harder (getting a good Xenia kill)--to complete all the objectives. That said, it's hard to ask for better than the run that caused 0:58, flukishly good even for Wouter.
Control 4:17 - As a record, this is considerably weaker than both 4:00 and 4:13, but it's still almost as hard to do as either of those records given the gayness of 00 Agent. Don't expect this record to get too close to SA, but 4:17 will definitely be lowered (however, only experts need apply).
Caverns 1:42 - An infamous, brutal mission with guards from hell and objectives from Jimbo's bedroom. 1:50 runs are rare enough, so the extra speed needed for 1:42 is nearly impossible for even most of the best players. 1:42 is by no means humanly maxed, but only experts have any shot at lowering it.
Cradle 0:37 - Dunno, this record is probably gay.
Aztec 1:55 - The most accurate and powerful guards in the game plus a ridiculous amount of required luck probably make this level the most difficult to both finish/complete AND survive in all of GE. That said, however, 1:55 is very, very far from its max. It won't be easy, but don't be surprised if when 1:55 gets beaten, it gets beaten by a lot.
Egypt - Same as SA.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 09, 2005, 10:21:00 am
As for saying that several of these will be beaten soon, what do you consider soon? unless you're planning on beating those yourself, soon must mean something like "within the next 5 years".
Post by: vitor on September 09, 2005, 01:20:00 pm
Yeah, your patience is unbelievable, but I agree with Dan on that one. If any of the top players put the same ammount of effort into it, I can't see why Bunker 17 wouldn't be tied.
You're not better - neither worse - than anyone here, Wouter.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 09, 2005, 02:03:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on September 09, 2005, 02:08:00 pm
Could be fun to do that again
Even though i'm quite sure most poeple around here has a fairly high iq level.
Btw, nice SA/00A lists too Bryan. Though i'd probably rank 1:07 B1 higher than Silo 00A.
Post by: vitor on September 09, 2005, 03:49:00 pm
Post by: Jimbo on September 11, 2005, 12:48:00 am
You're not better - neither worse - than anyone here, Wouter.
Of all people to say this, you are absolutely as wrong as you can be. Why the hell are you even in this topic anyway?
Now, onto record strength. I will only comment on records which I know a little something about...
Bunker 1 SA 0:23 - If you watch my vid, all it takes is smoooothness and reasonable accuracy. Speed is not a huge factor, which blows. 0:22 would be an awesome record, but that's like going for 1:17 Dam SA, just so far away...
Bunker 1 00A 1:07 - LUCKY. I still have no idea how my run wasn't 1:07 / Bryan's run wasn't 1:08, but I guess it's all in the Boris. 1:06 is doable, just that no one has any clue how to make 1:07 work, let alone getting one second lower.
Silo A 1:05 - Wouldn't be a record I would be against trying for. Silo speed runs are so fun. All you need is smoothness, and on Agent, it's not much to ask for. Doors and strafing are a bigger factor than most think. 1:04 would be insane, Bryan's run had that potential. Honestly, I think only Bryan and I are capable of lower Silo untieds (sorry Wouter).
Silo SA 1:12 - I rank this as the best record in the elite. I don't care how many mistakes you think Bryan had / BRYAN thinks he had, it doesn't matter. Mistakes don't necessarily make your run, it's how you minimize them into the fewest possible. This is the ONLY record where 100% speed, health and pure outright skill and luck are all maximized into one record. It's not untied by 2 seconds for nothing, this is one record that will stay untied for a LONG time.
Silo 00A 1:32 - Same as SA, just magnify the survival rate. Speed here is not such a factor, but minimizing slow situations and capitalizing on bad guards (like me).
Cradle SA / 00A 0:36 / 0:37 - 36 SA is the 2nd worst record in the elite, next to Archives 56. 37 00A isn't much better, but both factor in HUGE patience for Grenades, possibly the longest wait time for a Grenade out of any level.
Egypt A / SA / 00A 0:46 / 0:47 - Dan's comment on me making this look easy is only based on my consistency with Barons, but NON consistency in deaths and such. All 3 records suck, but are good enough for me not to be able to get 46 A at least. (totally got screwed out of 47 00A, watch my 48 vid once)
Post by: Cervone on September 11, 2005, 01:16:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on September 11, 2005, 03:16:00 am
And 37 00A is not a good record, It's basicly just get a nade and don't screw up. Easy enough. 36 is speed involved which makes things like 300 times harder.
Post by: bcks on September 11, 2005, 03:27:00 am
Post by: Smit on September 11, 2005, 05:37:00 am
! I can certainly get 104 at least 
so.. If no one else is going to get it ?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 11, 2005, 08:59:00 am
it's funny how you think I can't do any silos even though it's been AGES since I last played it, plus I only tried a little bit of SA on NTSC and caked a 2nd 1:15, but didn't put much effort into it at all. 1:12 will be my goal at LEAST when I go for Silo SA. The only reason 1:12 will stay untied for a long time (if it even will), is because it isn't even near the top of my to do list. I'm going for better records than 1:12 is. I'd be going for sub 1:12 anyway if I wanted a really good time there to be worthy enough to have a top spot in my to do list.
Surviving silo 00 isn't as hard as is made out to be. I've never had huge problems at all. Caverns 00 is like 10 times as hard.
So cradle sa 36 and arch "?" 56 are the worst records? even though several others are heaps easier to get and are as maxed as these 2? (meaning only 1 second from the absolute max with current strat) I suppose bunker 17 has to be the 3rd worst record since if you just wait out a run with 20 boosts, you'd be bound to get 17, right? What's the problem with people not recognizing that luck makes for an important skill factor(s), being patience/endurance/consistency. if you lack this skill, plenty of records you'll have NO chance of getting, no matter how good you are.
"NON consistency in deaths" - you can't have consistency in getting the luck factors happening, d'oh, it's uncontrollable.
"All 3 records suck, but are good enough for me not to be able to get 46 A at least."
Obviously you're saying you suck yourself there, but that's no news to us. I can't really give any other input, since I haven't played it on advantaged NTSC yet.
Post by: Jimbo on September 11, 2005, 11:41:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 11, 2005, 12:30:00 pm
go on then, get 36, Mr. Bigmouth.
Post by: Lecmasta on September 11, 2005, 01:34:00 pm
Post by: Jimbo on September 11, 2005, 06:05:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 11, 2005, 06:16:00 pm
Post by: Jimbo on September 11, 2005, 06:46:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 11, 2005, 08:55:00 pm
Funny comments.
Post by: Lecmasta on September 11, 2005, 11:05:00 pm
gregk0000: "Of all people to say this, you are absolutely as wrong as you can be. Why the hell are you even in this topic anyway?"
I find extremely amazing how you guys think that hours of play determines the guy's skill.
When Wouter did 53 Dam everyone was like OMG CONGRATZ WOUTER, YOU'RE THE BEST GETTING THAT IN A HUNDRED HOURS, as if he was a mental retarded or something. Bryan got it much faster (fluked or not), and nobody gave it a @#%$.
Then he did Bunker 17 (or was it before?) - yes, the most insane time on GE, totally agreed with that. But has anyone here put 180 straight hours on that level? That's like 6h a day for a whole month. No? Well, you still think he's like god because of that.
And hasn't some people failed 17 (one was missing the screen picture)? So what? Is it like when you get the picture it adds 0.2 seconds to your time?
Yes, now you say "OMG YOU DON'T KNOW @#%$ ABOUT GE, GET OUT OF HERE". But I'd like to see anyone here get a GOOD argument.
Normally I wouldn't care about this kind of situation, but you guys look so blind and retarded that I had to say this.
-Greg K
Post by: bcks on September 11, 2005, 11:15:00 pm
Case and Point.
Post by: vitor on September 11, 2005, 11:31:00 pm
Post by: bcks on September 11, 2005, 11:49:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 12, 2005, 03:21:00 am
Obviously simply playing for hours doesn't determine skill. Exactly as much "no skill" as someone that flukes record after record. They both need a normal skill level, but the fluker has the luck going his way and doesn't need patience/endurance/consistency nearly as much as the non-fluker needs, therefor playing it hours before succeeding. It's pretty normal for people to be more happy for someone when that someone gets a record after he went through an enormous long session (total of all playing) than when someone gets a new record in 5 minutes/ 1 hour.
Now, you brought up Bunker 17. I played it for 150 hours to get it. I don't know anyone who ever played any level for 150ish hours to cut off 1 second because his goal is so maxed as this one is and therefor very hard to come by.
Unlike Dam 53, nobody got 17 once when trying to PR on Bunker. Plenty of people have played it. Now, if it was like Dam, surely someone would have got 17 as well, but appearantly it isn't so, so to me that means there are some records that DO require true determination if you really want them, no matter how much skill you have. Determination DOES add to your potential. I don't care if you COULD get 17 if you played for endless hours, the matter of fact is, you WON'T be playing endless hours for it.
It's all about the context, and I suppose you fail to see how it is to be interpreted.
Well that's about as much of an "arguement" as you will get, if you don't understand yet, then there's no way you will ever look at it the way "we" do.
Post by: Illu on September 12, 2005, 10:21:00 am
I was actually down emotionally before I got 0:53, maybe I needed to get that so it's all about balance and things moving around because there are things... ah just rambling.
- The hILARIous Illu
btw, didn't mean no harm with this post just wanted to say something because I'm some kind of person and I'm maybe a retard but whatever, later.
May love be with you or something...
Post by: wishiwasfamous on September 12, 2005, 11:19:00 am
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on September 12, 2005, 11:31:00 am
Arnie
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 12, 2005, 12:09:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on September 12, 2005, 01:27:00 pm
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Now, you brought up Bunker 17. I played it for 150 hours to get it. I don't know anyone who ever played any level for 150ish hours to cut off 1 second because his goal is so maxed as this one is and therefor very hard to come by.
I have played for longer trying for 1:43. Over 200 hours or something(Not all at once though, The last 50 hours has been spread out over the years so it's only 150 hours without breaks.
Post by: Cervone on September 12, 2005, 02:33:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 12, 2005, 03:34:00 pm
Post by: Infected Mind on September 12, 2005, 03:44:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on September 12, 2005, 03:55:00 pm
And Dan/Alex, I don't see why it's impossible to play over 100 hours to get a pr. I mean, I did spend 20 hours on Facility 00A 59, NOT overestimated. And 200 hours is as i said kind of split up over the years. Like 2 weeks at some time 3h a day on average, Then another week a month later or something. That easily gives those 50h that was not in one period.
Now at first when trying for 1:43 i spent an entire month ONLY playing that level, I don't know my average hour per day but since it was on summer holiday i usually do 4-5 hours maybe. Add this to 30 days and you've got 150. Of course this could be alot variating, I might be totally wrong on the math and it might even be as low as 100 hours. But in total it should be at least around those 150 hours.
One thing is for sure though, I have put in tons of hours into this wr. I suppose it's pretty hard to imagine for a player like you Dan who usually gets pr's pretty quick. Personally, If i don't have any flow at all i can spend like 10-15 hours on a time like Surface 1 A 1:04(In fact i did).
Post by: TreAKAHotdog on September 12, 2005, 04:33:00 pm
Post by: Jimbo on September 12, 2005, 04:35:00 pm
Post by: Illu on September 12, 2005, 04:36:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 12, 2005, 06:28:00 pm
Post by: bcks on September 12, 2005, 06:36:00 pm
Post by: vitor on September 12, 2005, 07:57:00 pm
The point is: you are affirming that no one else could do B17, if they put the same time/effort as you did. That's just stupid.
Maybe no one could actually go for the record itself, that's true, but saying your skill is above others' is.. wrong.
Post by: Wyst3r on September 13, 2005, 01:58:00 am
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Henrik, you're the second person to express that you put in a lot of time into some of your records.
Isn't that 3rd? You, Jimbo, Me?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 13, 2005, 11:07:00 am
I said nobody else will put the same effort into it. I never said nobody else could get 17. Big difference there.
Still, obviously I might be wrong and someone will put as much effort into it, but I kind of assumed if one starts trying for it, he'll find his lucky run sooner than I did. I just think I have about the worst luck from all top players sometimes.
Perhaps my skill isn't "above" others as you put it, but I'm sure as hell that I have a much better knowledge of what is needed to actually get 17, and it isn't as simple as "getting 6 boosts on a smooth run". I guess if knowledge doesn't count for part of your skill, then I'm not more skilled (excluding the determination needed here)
"Isn't that 3rd? You, Jimbo, Me?"
I said records
I know Bryan put like 70ish (?) hours into Frigate 00 but that's all I remember from 50+ hours put into a PR being claimed around here.
Post by: vitor on September 13, 2005, 09:12:00 pm
You have good knowledge of levels (B1, on this case), there's no discussion of that. My point was that if someone put the same time you did on Bunker 17, that person'd might get the record.
As you said, it's doubtfull that anyone will do that. But if he did, why wouldn't your record be tied?
I'd say that you're the only one with such knowledge and patient on Bunker, but you've got that because you played it the most. True, ain't it?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 14, 2005, 03:41:00 am
"I never said nobody else could get 17."
So obviously 17 would be tied if someone else gets it too
I wouldn't just assume that if someone played it simply as much as I did, he/she will get the same knowledge necessairily, nor will he/she necessairily get 17.
Post by: vitor on September 14, 2005, 07:03:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 14, 2005, 09:46:00 pm
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and it isn't as simple as "getting 6 boosts on a smooth run"
why not?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 15, 2005, 02:09:00 pm
Post by: vitor on September 15, 2005, 04:07:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 15, 2005, 04:09:00 pm
Post by: vitor on September 15, 2005, 08:58:00 pm
Explain why do you think that anyone that plays the same ammount of time on Bunker won't tie your record.
You have some extra quality or something?
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 16, 2005, 01:21:00 am
Nobody get a @#$%&*$ record without this.
0:17 can be tied, of course, but it will be get by an excellent player with... Skill, and, patience, patience and more patience.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 16, 2005, 09:39:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 16, 2005, 09:42:00 am
Post by: vitor on September 16, 2005, 07:47:00 pm
omfg, you're so retarded. So if Bryan/Dan/whoever put 150h into Bunker, he won't necessairly get 0:17 because one hundred and fifth hours aren't enough to get it? Are you saying you got a "fluke", WITH 150 HOURS OF PLAY?
For god sakes. You just can't admit that someone could get it faster than you.
Post by: vitor on September 16, 2005, 07:49:00 pm
You're acting like that
And on a final note, you're saying that I'm considering 150h a "solid" ammount of time to the record. I never said that, my friend. It's just that it "can" happen either in 250h, 150h or 50h. But for you, it will only happen after the 150h, because that's the time you needed to get it.
Maybe your 17 will never be tied, but acting like it CAN'T BE TIED is just too gay. Sorry.
Post by: vitor on September 16, 2005, 07:50:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 17, 2005, 05:51:00 am
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Post by: Wyst3r on September 17, 2005, 07:05:00 am
Post by: Illu on September 17, 2005, 09:29:00 am
- Illu's retarded confused wrath
trying to create balance and now...- Illu's Soul
Post by: Wyst3r on September 17, 2005, 12:37:00 pm
Post by: vitor on September 17, 2005, 01:56:00 pm
"I wouldn't just assume that if someone played it simply as much as I did, he/she will get the same knowledge necessairily, nor will he/she necessairily get 17."
It looks like I can't interpretate sentences. So let me ask: would you assume that with less than 150 hours a top player can get the same knowledge on the level? If not, why?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 17, 2005, 03:57:00 pm
I should also add, having the knowledge for what is needed to get 17 doesn't mean you will get 17, nor having all the luck needed for 17 will get you 17 if you screw it up because you lack knowledge or skill
Post by: vitor on September 18, 2005, 11:38:00 am
I just was understanding that people could not have the 'knowledge' playing as much as you did. But now you just said that it's not what you meant, so it's ok.
Thanks.
Post by: bcks on September 24, 2005, 06:48:00 pm
Post by: Illu on September 25, 2005, 07:53:00 am
I actually did a few 3 boost run fails that ended up in 39 so 3 boosts is needed most likely and probably a very smooth run otherwise too.
Post by: RWG on December 06, 2005, 07:31:00 pm
Here, I'll start:
1. Bunker 1 - 0:17 A
59. Runway - 0:23 SA
60. Depot - 0:26 A
yea, seems hard. Maybe we all could do it and make a points system or something, so we could have like "GE elites top 60 records" or something cool.
Post by: Boss on December 07, 2005, 03:29:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on December 07, 2005, 04:25:00 am
Oh btw, Archives 56 is easier than runway 23, at least on ntsc.
Post by: Infected Mind on December 07, 2005, 05:03:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on December 07, 2005, 06:25:00 am
Post by: silver angel on December 08, 2005, 04:08:00 pm
However, I know it's not that much easy and that it would take time, but...If you could achieve this, that would really rocks!
Post by: Infected Mind on December 08, 2005, 04:31:00 pm
Agent
1 - Bunker 17
2 - Frigate 23
3 - Runway 22
4 - Streets 113
5 - Control 400
6 - Train 107
7 - Statue 220
8 - Bunker 24
9 - Dam 53 - Who knows how good this really is, I think its pure random if a run gives 53, judging from what ive seen109 - Archives 16
11 - Silo 105
12 - Jungle 53
13 - Surface 103
14 - Egypt 46
15 - Aztec 135
16 - Surface 2 52
17 - Facility 47
18 - Cradle 35
19 - Caverns 103
20 - Depot 26
Secret Agent
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2 - Dam 118
3 - Depot 43
4 -
5 -
6 -
7 -
8 -
9 -
10 -
11 -
12 -
13 -
14 - Aztec 144
15 - Streets 156
16 - Egypt 47
17 - Frigate 105
18 - Facility 57
19 - Runway 23
20 - Archives 56
00 agent
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
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14
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20 Archives 56
yawn, needs work and ill finish it later
Post by: RWG on December 08, 2005, 07:53:00 pm
Post by: Boss on December 08, 2005, 08:46:00 pm
59. Runway SA 0:23
58. Caverns A 1:03
I think those 3 can pretty much be locks for those spots. The 56s/156s would probably come next.
Post by: bcks on December 08, 2005, 08:49:00 pm
Post by: RWG on December 08, 2005, 08:52:00 pm
Post by: Boss on December 09, 2005, 01:19:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on December 09, 2005, 04:10:00 am
And 56 is much easier than 1:56, Or else i would have 8 1:56's by now instead of 56's.
Post by: Infected Mind on December 09, 2005, 05:50:00 am
Post by: RWG on December 09, 2005, 05:53:00 pm
60. Depot A - 0:26
59. Runway SA - 0:23
58. Caverns A - 1:03
57. Archives SA - 0:56 (SA because of ammo issues)
56. Archives 00 - 0:56
55. Streets 00 (?) - 1:56
54. Streets SA (?) - 1:56
53. Surface 2 SA - 0:55
then what? I think cradle 00 and A maybe. Not sure
Post by: Infected Mind on December 09, 2005, 06:08:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on December 09, 2005, 07:20:00 pm
Post by: RWG on December 09, 2005, 07:35:00 pm
I guess strength is a combination of how close to max they are, and how hard it is to do them. For times like S2 1:32, it is actually hard to do, becuase you rarely get nades, and its hard to keep your nerves when you get one. Plus, once you do get one, you don't want to waste it by shooting through walls and things, so yea, who knows.
so the bottom 12 I guess are those 10 ^ S2 00 and fac 47, but isn't fac 57s easier than 47s?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on December 10, 2005, 08:09:00 am
don't worry about too many otherwise either, plenty will be beaten yet, so yeah
Post by: RWG on December 10, 2005, 07:22:00 pm
52. Cradle A - 0:35
51. Facility A - 0:47 or Surface 2 A - 0:52
49. Cradle 00 - 0:37
48. Surface 2 00 - 1:32 (more skill needed than cradle, thus a bit better I'm guessing)
47. Facility SA - 0:57 (?)
dunno, starting to get tricky here.
Post by: Boss on December 10, 2005, 09:33:00 pm
Post by: bcks on January 07, 2006, 06:40:00 am
Post by: Boss on January 08, 2006, 03:27:00 am
Post by: RWG on January 08, 2006, 03:37:00 am
SA - Silo 1:12
00 - Depot 0:50 AND Jungle 0:58
putting records as equal could fix things up. After all it is possible to have records be equally strong.
50 is closer to max if not maxed. Rediculous luck involved. And the train shot is very gay. You CAN die, although a bazillion times less often than jungle.
58 is rediculously insane to live. Xenia is done more than perfectly. The fact that 58 is worth 70+ points on AGENT, you have to do extra objectives, you die, and xenia is way gayer, makes this absolutely absurd. It is much less close to maxed than depot, and can go a few seconds lower.
Wouter should decide. He's the one who got them after all.
Post by: bcks on January 08, 2006, 06:51:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on January 08, 2006, 08:12:00 am
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Post by: Boss on January 08, 2006, 10:48:00 pm
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Post by: bcks on February 13, 2006, 05:27:00 am
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Post by: deletedprofile.u on February 16, 2006, 01:29:00 am
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pretty much any run has a shot at 156
BULLSHIT.
Post by: RWG on February 16, 2006, 01:32:00 am
YOU ARE BULLSHIT MGAY. STOP MAKING THE STREETS RANKS LOOKED FUCKEDUP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Infected Mind on February 16, 2006, 02:25:00 am
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Post by: Wouter Jansen on March 24, 2006, 11:46:00 pm
Post by: RWG on March 25, 2006, 01:50:00 am
Streets 156s are super cake. I've done each of them twice.
hmm..... streets 156 is probably easier than s2 55 simply because of the indesirability of s2 to play. Makes things hard or something.
Post by: Wyst3r on March 25, 2006, 04:39:00 am
Archives 16 is easier, no doubt about it.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on March 25, 2006, 10:19:00 am
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Post by: RK on March 26, 2006, 11:01:00 pm