Post by: Wyst3r on February 08, 2006, 04:29:00 pm
Anyways, The main idea with the strat is to get outside the Train so Natalya does not see you and therefor, You can just wait at the end until she has completed her work. In order to do this, You need to get out of the Train a few seconds after Trev's first message. This needs some really fast locks which can be really annoying. So when you've successfully escaped Natalya's scary sight, You can just kill guards outside or whatever. Then wait at the end until SA: 43 secs left/00A 8,5 secs left, Then finish. Hopefully Natalya should finish during fade.
So yeah, That's it. Saves about 12 seconds for SA and prolly around 14 on 00A(Got 1:54 on LLTK). So that's nearly 30 secs of Total Elite Time saved and a big step closer to the 1:15 mark.
And for everyone who enjoyed the reading, But still wanna see it, Here's the 1:31 vid:
Train SA 1:31 (http://www.thengamer.com/GE/14-Train/Henrik%20Norgren%20-%20Train%20-%20SA%20-%201.31(music).wmv)
Enjoy!
Post by: Illu on February 08, 2006, 04:35:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on February 08, 2006, 04:43:00 pm
Now: Henrik = Train Strat Master
Post by: Boss on February 08, 2006, 04:46:00 pm
Sub 26:00 SA will happen
Sub 30:00 will likely happen on 00A
Sub 1:16:00 total elite will be much more in reach
And yeah, congrats for putting yourself among the greatest GE innovators of all time with this. You should be happy and not like (meh I didn't get a good Train 00A time yet). I went crazy when I found the Aztec strat that's for sure. I had garbage times with it early on (didn't even complete SA on it yet when I posted about it). Anyways, a very big congrats for figuring out how lessen the wait on Train.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 08, 2006, 04:49:00 pm
Post by: Lovins on February 08, 2006, 05:02:00 pm
My little Xenia trick was completely pointless But I don't understand...how is this the same as the agent strat? You KILL ouromov here, so why doesn't Nat follow you out?
But still, congrats...every time I think every single possible trick and glitch has been figured out, someone finds something like this...amazing
Post by: Illu on February 08, 2006, 05:05:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on February 08, 2006, 05:05:00 pm
Post by: Lovins on February 08, 2006, 05:08:00 pm
Yeah trueBut u made a typo it's :29 on the timer for SA and :05 for 00A
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 08, 2006, 05:11:00 pm
the only difference now would be that you need to wait before "entering the ending".
Post by: GoldenGreg007 on February 08, 2006, 05:11:00 pm
Post by: Lovins on February 08, 2006, 05:14:00 pm
Hell yeah Greg, count me in on a small comeback too...although I don't expect I'll own this new strat like I did on Statue
(The is for Wouter)
Post by: Wyst3r on February 08, 2006, 05:32:00 pm
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I guess she has a certain amound of time of state of shock from having a gun to her head
Very accurate explanation
And no, I didn't make a typo. You exit at 43(Natalya completes at 39) And 8.5(Natalya completes at 4.5).
Post by: Lovins on February 08, 2006, 05:38:00 pm
Post by: GoldenGreg007 on February 08, 2006, 05:48:00 pm
oh yeah, and about halfway through my efforts i realized somebody turned look ahead on, so that was @#%$ with me too.
Post by: .. on February 08, 2006, 05:55:00 pm
Post by: Quiet Bol on February 08, 2006, 05:56:00 pm
Post by: l337 on February 08, 2006, 06:02:00 pm
If I were gay, I'd probably kiss you
go elite!
Post by: Your Eliteness on February 08, 2006, 06:04:00 pm
Post by: TreAKAHotdog on February 08, 2006, 06:06:00 pm
Post by: Boss on February 08, 2006, 06:23:00 pm
Henrik, relish the moment because this is the type of thing that puts your name in glory. It also is the type of thing that gets retired players playing GE again, thus more competition. I hope people like Buikema, Clark, Lavery etc come back to at least try this out. This is also why GE will always be > PD. New finds on GE bring players back. New finds on PD just don't seem to do the same. It should be funny to see who gets on the Train leaderboard until most of the top players get it going.
My head is still spinning and nice job again Henrik. 
Post by: RK on February 08, 2006, 06:27:00 pm
That really would take a lot of laser skills.
Post by: Illu on February 08, 2006, 06:37:00 pm
Post by: Lovins on February 08, 2006, 06:39:00 pm
Post by: Infected Mind on February 08, 2006, 06:41:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 08, 2006, 06:43:00 pm
"I just didn't understand how you could set her free but not have her follow you."
"when we first used the strat on agent we also killed Ouromov still"
it's known since whenever we did that first. killing Ouromov is the same thing as setting her free.. if she would always follow you after being set free, then the agent strat wouldn't have worked back then with killing Ouromov.
As for statue, there's no "
", you promised videos for your sudden statue claims out of nowhere, which as far as I know, nobody has seen yet. You're pretty lucky your times are still up (if they are, didn't check), if you were just a bit less familiar person surely they'd be out by now (if they aren't yet ).
Post by: deletedprofile.u on February 08, 2006, 06:46:00 pm
Post by: Lovins on February 08, 2006, 06:57:00 pm
As for my Statue times, i NEVER promised videos of them, not sure where you got that from. It's not exactly at the top of my priority list. Like I said, COLLEGE. I come back to these boards every 6 months or so just to see what's happening, and then I did and saw the new strat and tried it out for fun. I said it then and I'll say it again, getting 2:21s was EASY, and the only reason I can fathom that more ppl haven't gotten that time by now is becuz of the gayness of the luck of the FR. The times ARE still up, and if you want to take them down, that's just fine. Although considering I sent a tape a long time ago with about 45 PRs on there to Lavery, I think it's extremely stupid to think I might be a liar.
Post by: wishiwasfamous on February 08, 2006, 07:09:00 pm
Post by: TreAKAHotdog on February 08, 2006, 07:47:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 08, 2006, 07:49:00 pm
Post by: Cervone on February 08, 2006, 07:58:00 pm
I wouldn't consider this as revolutionary a find as the Aztec strat only because this strat applies to good players only (people who can do 49+ locks in the first place). However, awesome find and good job on 1:31.
Post by: Lovins on February 08, 2006, 08:07:00 pm
If you want, I would love to send you screenshots of all 3 of the times. It is something, and it would take an amount of time that I don't care that is wasted. But LIKE I SAID, if it is the overall consensus that the times could be fake, then take them down.
And I NEVER said proof is unnecessary. If some unknown 88th ranked player never proved b4 had claimed those times, then absolutely necessary. But I don't see why it would be necessary for a player of my PROVEN skill level to provide proof, especially for times not even WRs.
Post by: Your Eliteness on February 08, 2006, 08:13:00 pm
Post by: Djie on February 08, 2006, 08:13:00 pm
Eddie, it's always the same argument. You're willing to take those screenshot. Go ahead, it'll kill all assumptions. I personnaly couldn't care less about the times. I trust ya
Post by: RWG on February 08, 2006, 08:17:00 pm
Anyhow, looks like I have to play train now, eventhough I don't want to. The locks shouldn't be a problem for anyone really if you kill more guards. Still would save time so long as you don't kill 15 seconds worth of guards.
Don't expect LB even now if no one plays, solely because agent is one of my worst levels easy. Oh well, we'll see what happens.
Post by: Boss on February 08, 2006, 08:24:00 pm
TheBigBossman007 (5:20:57 PM): gonna post this, of course it would cost you time
TheBigBossman007 (5:21:10 PM): but take some locks out, then kill Ouro, then take out the rest
TheBigBossman007 (5:21:16 PM): then you can do it easily
TheBigBossman007 (5:21:32 PM): anyone should be able to do it then
TheBigBossman007 (5:22:02 PM): Trent has the right idea there, but you can even take them out inside
TheBigBossman007 (5:22:16 PM): as if you were playing agent
TheBigBossman007 (5:22:31 PM): the best players need to do it like Henrik though
TheBigBossman007 (5:22:45 PM): if you take out locks before Ouro, then the amount of time you save would be less
TheBigBossman007 (5:22:58 PM): since you'd end up waiting even longer
TheBigBossman007 (5:23:41 PM): saves up to 12/13 sec or whatever Henrik said, if you take out say 5 locks before Ouro, then it maybe only saves 7 sec or something like that
TheBigBossman007 (5:24:10 PM): still a lot though even if you aren't any good at locks
Post by: Lovins on February 08, 2006, 09:34:00 pm
Anyways, I must apologize for side-tracking and again congratulate Henrik! Can't wait to get home and give it a try.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 08, 2006, 09:43:00 pm
As for doing locks then killing Ouromov, I think that makes chances for freeing Natalya much smaller, since you need to have decent speed to get to him and kill him before he shoots her, surely it would be harder to do when trying from stand-still.
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on February 08, 2006, 10:04:00 pm
Bosshardt is teh capitano obvious.
Post by: Lovins on February 08, 2006, 10:22:00 pm
LMAO. Yes, I'm inferior to you in a fu.cking VIDEO GAME. A game that basically takes up your ENTIRE LIFE. Congratulations.
2 years from now, I'll be making $50,000 a year, and you? You'll be working on getting Depot agent :25. Definitely, congratulations. FAR superior to me.
Post by: Lark on February 08, 2006, 11:00:00 pm
Post by: matt8k on February 08, 2006, 11:32:00 pm
Great to have a new strat after so many years of speed runs. Great find.
Post by: bcks on February 08, 2006, 11:48:00 pm
Post by: Jimbo on February 09, 2006, 12:31:00 am
Great job Henrik!
Post by: Imperfect Clark on February 09, 2006, 12:31:00 am
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on February 09, 2006, 01:01:00 am
Post by: RWG on February 09, 2006, 01:14:00 am
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Also if it's so easy as everyone claims, surely it shouldn't take more than 1 hour tops to get
Frigate 24 and depot 44 are examples of easy times that take more than 1 hour to get simply because of random luck. Statue 221 is just another example.
Usually Wouter only gets mad about unprovens that BEAT his time. Why he doesn't care about other unproven times as much. Although I guarantee Wouter would get 221s all around, in 24 hours should he play that level (1.2 NTSC reccomended
) instead of dicking around with streets 112 or depot 25 or whatever else dumb time he's going for.
Post by: Infected Mind on February 09, 2006, 01:23:00 am
52 requires about pure luck
- obj b compeltes 10x less then obj a sa
- obj a is random
- train shot is super laggy and less consistant
- drone room is gayer
- etc
Post by: Troublesome Moral Code on February 09, 2006, 01:48:00 am
@ "etc". So true. Depot is hella gay and I dunno if I even want to go back in and improve my times. Then again I might surprise everyone. :O
Post by: RWG on February 09, 2006, 01:50:00 am
Post by: Troublesome Moral Code on February 09, 2006, 01:51:00 am
My computer burned itself down and was left internetless for a couple days. No AIM yet. >_>
Post by: Lovins on February 09, 2006, 02:10:00 am
Post by: Infected Mind on February 09, 2006, 02:13:00 am
Post by: GoldenGreg007 on February 09, 2006, 02:19:00 am
Post by: Jimbo on February 09, 2006, 02:22:00 am
Post by: RWG on February 09, 2006, 02:25:00 am
and you always get "screwed" out of things.
Post by: bcks on February 09, 2006, 03:00:00 am
Post by: Lovins on February 09, 2006, 03:14:00 am
funny stuff...On a sidenote, Greg Woll is the man! Always has my back, always was my "best GE friend" lol
Post by: SpiderWaffle on February 09, 2006, 05:37:00 am
Post by: bcks on February 09, 2006, 05:40:00 am
Post by: Cervone on February 09, 2006, 06:11:00 am
Post by: Nodjo on February 09, 2006, 06:15:00 am
Post by: Troublesome Moral Code on February 09, 2006, 07:22:00 am
Come on you guys, stop saying that.
Post by: Axel A on February 09, 2006, 07:32:00 am
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on February 09, 2006, 08:11:00 am
Just as well it was finally discovered.
Post by: bcks on February 09, 2006, 08:40:00 am
Post by: ProfessorChaos on February 09, 2006, 08:55:00 am
Post by: DYM on February 09, 2006, 10:05:00 am
He whoarded his 1:31, waits for me to work 15hours on a Perfect 1:40, then he unwhoards it, then he wastes all my work done in 15hours, and then 140 becomes totally useless? So That was his Plan?
Edit: I hate him, whats the point of 140 now?
Post by: SpiderWaffle on February 09, 2006, 10:06:00 am
Post by: Illu on February 09, 2006, 10:58:00 am
The new strat is amazing, 1:40 is amazing with the old strat, you feel crap because you lost your WR I feel crap because I can't seem to calm you down.
AAAAARRRRGGGGHHH! damn piece of @#%$ I can't save the world, this world I can't aaaarrrgghhh you're giving me a... forget it now get over it bye I suck whatever
EDIT: Anyway I'll may look into that on DLTK, just havning too much fun on the normal difficulties for now.
Post by: Fal2002 on February 09, 2006, 11:07:00 am
Post by: DYM on February 09, 2006, 11:40:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on February 09, 2006, 11:51:00 am
Anyways, Sorry for my bad timing. But it wasn't my attention to unwhoard just as you got an untied. And i think you could easily get back the wr since you are much better than me on the locks(according to vids) + you pwn me on Train.
Post by: DYM on February 09, 2006, 12:00:00 pm
And I dont like you. Im not gonna share a single vid from now on. GoodBye The Elite
Post by: Matis on February 09, 2006, 12:02:00 pm
do you think you can repost the vid or something so i can see the strat.
Post by: Smit on February 09, 2006, 12:12:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on February 09, 2006, 12:21:00 pm
). I think alot of poeple have the vid though so just get it over aim or something, If you don't find anyone who has it get it from me on xGeOmegax.
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 09, 2006, 12:27:00 pm
oh and gj on new strats Henrik
Arnie
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 09, 2006, 12:32:00 pm
if you get $50,000 a year with that, I'd get 100,000 each day by pulling my nose all day.
besides not knowing how I fulfill my life at all, your knowledge of the concept of life is far too small so nobody is concerned about how you think we are wasting our whole lives by hardly playing at all.
Post by: Matis on February 09, 2006, 01:05:00 pm
that is some smooth strafin. So basically you have to get out before he stops talking the 2nd time and before the timer. then just wait by the front of the train till she finnishes. cant wait to try that out.
Post by: Infected Mind on February 09, 2006, 01:28:00 pm
if u back track to that car... she sees you also, when you are outside.
basically u gotta be exiting the train half way thru his message before the timer
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so i reccomend taking out 6 locks then shoot ouromov then finish. get like 140+
Post by: Wyst3r on February 09, 2006, 02:07:00 pm
So what happens if you go past the car but in the diffrent direction(crate area)?
Post by: Illu on February 09, 2006, 05:30:00 pm
Post by: RWG on February 09, 2006, 05:50:00 pm
Post by: Saint Shang on February 09, 2006, 07:45:00 pm
. By the way i take it doing the locks as you do, it`s faster than doing em using manual aim?
Post by: typosaur on February 09, 2006, 08:31:00 pm
Good job on the strat though, Henrik.
I got quite amazed when I checked out t-e.n today.
Post by: GoldenGreg007 on February 09, 2006, 09:06:00 pm
Post by: Lark on February 09, 2006, 09:56:00 pm
Post by: SpiderWaffle on February 09, 2006, 11:43:00 pm
Post by: Lovins on February 10, 2006, 12:36:00 am
Post by: RWG on February 10, 2006, 01:48:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on February 10, 2006, 03:35:00 am
And i'm not sure if you saw it Eddie but i did post 1:31 in the wr topic at first, Though it got deleted
Post by: Matthijsdadutchman on February 10, 2006, 01:11:00 pm
Just when you think there isn't any room left for invention for a game which is out for many years, Henrik discovers a new strategy which is easily as revolutionary as the Aztec glass-trick. Awesome work Henrik, this is a huge milestone in the history of the GoldenEye Elite (and Elite in general of course) and no one can take that away from you.
Now, someone, find a new strat for Control....
-Matthijs
Post by: Lovins on February 10, 2006, 01:54:00 pm
Mat I think the only thing left to be found is the big one...SPEECH SKIPPING
Post by: Wyst3r on February 10, 2006, 02:36:00 pm
And yeah, Speach skipping would be really huge. But i already tried like everything so i'm not sure it'll ever work.
Post by: Lovins on February 10, 2006, 02:49:00 pm
but yeah I think the farthest we will ever get in speech skipping is what we already have in control with shooting nat to make the messages come up a little faster
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 10, 2006, 02:59:00 pm
Post by: Lovins on February 10, 2006, 03:27:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on February 10, 2006, 03:31:00 pm
Post by: Wabs on February 10, 2006, 03:34:00 pm
Making such a great strat innovation after so many years is always something special... and a huge shock !
Congrats.
Post by: Lovins on February 10, 2006, 03:34:00 pm
Post by: RWG on February 10, 2006, 05:49:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on February 11, 2006, 04:39:00 am
Has anyone ever tried shooting Natalya's back or something just after killing Ouromov when she's all confused and stuff? Maybe she'll become normal faster?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 11, 2006, 09:23:00 am
Post by: Lark on February 11, 2006, 12:48:00 pm
You are the only one who hasn't tried it.
P.S. Even I gave it a try!
Post by: RWG on February 11, 2006, 01:20:00 pm
I forgot you, you chode.
Post by: Axel A on February 11, 2006, 01:40:00 pm
Post by: Lovins on February 11, 2006, 02:33:00 pm
The biggest problem I just can't strafe through the level smoothly anymore w/out complete major rapage, I just don't have the skills of 3 yrs ago anymore...
Post by: Lovins on February 11, 2006, 06:17:00 pm
Post by: Lark on February 11, 2006, 06:33:00 pm
SA - 1:55 so meh...
I always have to cut some of the locks before shooting Ourumov.
Edit - Gragz, that's what I did. Though you may loose a significant amount of time doing this.
Post by: Grags on February 11, 2006, 06:35:00 pm
I suck at the locks really really bad
What If I were to do the locks then shoot Ouromov?
Edit - Lol, After posting this I seen your post, I should learn to look at other peoples posts before I post questions.
Post by: RWG on February 11, 2006, 06:50:00 pm
Post by: youseinthehouse on February 18, 2006, 01:45:00 pm
This is truly an amazing find. It made me happy to see it.
Post by: Wyst3r on February 18, 2006, 03:15:00 pm
Nice seeing a post from Youse as well
Post by: TreAKAHotdog on February 18, 2006, 03:24:00 pm
Post by: Infected Mind on February 18, 2006, 04:02:00 pm
Post by: Saint Shang on February 18, 2006, 05:55:00 pm
Post by: Infected Mind on February 18, 2006, 06:06:00 pm
for the question. its like 50ish or something
Post by: Illu on February 19, 2006, 10:13:00 am
Post by: DYM on February 19, 2006, 10:17:00 am
EDIT - It had a great start too.
Post by: Illu on February 19, 2006, 10:28:00 am
Post by: Illu on February 19, 2006, 12:08:00 pm
I just fired the laser towards the backdoor in the beginning, not hitting anything.
NTSC - 33 sec
PAL - 35 sec
So dunno, my impression of playing these on both systems has been that I feel more consistent on fast times on PAL, overall on the whole level, not just the locks. Maybe I should try more stuff like firing into a wall or something.
EDIT: Though I might just try for like sub 1:10 on NTSC.
Though wtf did I use a stop watch for? So I tried just emptying the laser right away and quit and I got these results.
NTSC - 34 sec
PAL - 34 sec
hmm... oh well
Turning around and emptying laser into the wall:
NTSC - 53 sec
PAL - 1 min
Dunno about these tests really, could be that it's just psychological, we just think NTSC sucks and that's why I don't feel motivated to get anything good on it or just... but seriously though, dunno
Post by: Wyst3r on February 19, 2006, 12:37:00 pm
Post by: Illu on February 19, 2006, 01:22:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on February 19, 2006, 01:23:00 pm
Don't know why, sometimes, a same level can to have more lag or less...
Post by: Illu on February 19, 2006, 02:02:00 pm
Decent NTSC PR, seriously though I feel I have easier to make the locks on NTSC but harder to get fast to the end. Really weird since Bryan was just owning this level with the old strat, seemed like he wanted at least 1:41 on SA, he had 1:40 fails. I must say I'm one of those who's been talking lots about that NTSC isn't as good on train as PAL so probably partly my fault all NTSCers have complained even more. I feel I make the ending so often that I should be able to get the WR if I'm not too slow to get to the end on NTSC or maybe NTSC is just slower overall but I wouldn't believe it's on the locks anymore.
Post by: CreepingDeath007 on February 19, 2006, 02:09:00 pm