Post by: Lovins on February 05, 2006, 04:28:00 am
On a sidenote (although assuming you guys have also figured this out by now) it IS possible for Nat the whore to get out of the train safely WITHOUT the extra time...
happened for me once last week hehe (not that I really shed any tears when she DOES die
)later, Eddie
Post by: GoldenGreg007 on February 05, 2006, 06:46:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 05, 2006, 06:51:00 am
Post by: SpiderWaffle on February 05, 2006, 07:57:00 am
Post by: TreAKAHotdog on February 05, 2006, 12:20:00 pm
Post by: Lark on February 05, 2006, 12:36:00 pm
Sometimes I will shoot Xenia immediately after, killing Ourumov, yet I am still given only the normal time.
Then I will begin the level again, same procedure, yet I get the extra time.
I think RARE might have screwed up. I don't always get this method to work.....
Post by: Lovins on February 06, 2006, 01:55:00 am
but the Xenia part was no different than usual.
Post by: SpiderWaffle on February 06, 2006, 04:06:00 am
Maybe you have to do like 90% or greater damage to xenia, but killing has never failed.
Post by: bcks on February 06, 2006, 05:58:00 am
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Maybe you have to do like 90% or greater damage to xenia, but killing has never failed.
I've killed the bitch many, many times, and not gotten the extra time. So killing doesn't always work.
Maybe it has to do with who dies first, ourmov or xenia, whoever fades out the fastest. Perhaps, xenia can die before ourmov is dead, and it's something like that, that affects you from getting the extra time.
On my 2:13 run, i didn't even get a single shot on xenia, but somehow natilya lived.
So the fastest train 00 strat, would be the new sa strat bryan is useing and just skip xenia, and do the long ourmov kill.
Post by: Wyst3r on February 06, 2006, 10:20:00 am
I was thinking, What if you shoot Natalya's leg or something so she back up a bit and get a better position for leaving? And then also be sure to get headshot on Ouromov so you get the fastest messages.
Post by: Lovins on February 06, 2006, 04:36:00 pm
) and if she does back up, what happens is as soon as you look away she warps back to her normal position. So when it forces you to look down going through the floor this would probably happen...not to mention I would think backing up from the computer would only increase the distance to the escape.
Post by: bcks on February 06, 2006, 06:12:00 pm
Post by: Matthijsdadutchman on February 06, 2006, 06:25:00 pm
As far as I know about Train 00, you always have to hurt certain Xenia for a certain amount. I didn't know about skipping Xenia and still completing a 00a run.
-Matthijs
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on February 07, 2006, 12:49:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on February 07, 2006, 03:38:00 am
Post by: bcks on February 07, 2006, 04:25:00 am
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on February 07, 2006, 05:08:00 am
Post by: SpiderWaffle on February 07, 2006, 05:41:00 am
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on February 07, 2006, 09:14:00 am
Post by: Lovins on February 07, 2006, 02:06:00 pm
If you run backwards you will certainly lose time. I just find it interesting that after how many glitches and tricks we've found over the years, no one knows for sure how this works.
Post by: Wyst3r on February 07, 2006, 02:11:00 pm
Post by: wishiwasfamous on February 07, 2006, 02:14:00 pm
Post by: Lovins on February 07, 2006, 04:34:00 pm
After you laser all the locks off, go croutch next to the exit and look at Nat and shoot her in the leg, she will back up a little, then shoot her again and she'll back up some more, and should be right in between those 2 barriers. DO NOT shoot her a 3rd time or she will then be behind that other barrier. Continue to look at her so she doesn't warp back, and since you are left-strafing out as soon as you leave you will see her start to follow you w/out warping back, and she no longer has the problem of getting around the desk. I completed it successfully the first 3 times I tried it. But you still have to time your exit pretty good when she cracks boris's password or else she still might not make it.
So while this doesn't actually save time (but shouldn't lose time either), it at least is a way to still complete the mission if you don't get the extra time.
Oh and btw, on one run I kind of ran in front of Nat while she was walking toward the computer and so she ended up with her side to the comp and her back to the exit! I had never seen this happen b4. So then when I shot her in the leg she backed straight toward the exit, and 3 shots got her like halfway there! So someone can play around with that too, see if you can get it every time.
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on February 07, 2006, 10:02:00 pm
Post by: SpiderWaffle on February 07, 2006, 10:20:00 pm
Post by: Lark on February 07, 2006, 10:49:00 pm
Even if this strat doesn't save time at least you can use it to complete Train on 00A without killing Xenia.
Post by: RWG on February 07, 2006, 11:02:00 pm
Post by: Lovins on February 08, 2006, 09:33:00 am
Blocking Nat does NOT slow her in doing her thing, like I said I easily completed the mission when I did that, still leaving the train w/5 seconds left on the timer.
Oh and I have to change one thing to "my strat" in that if you ran thru the level, likely there will be guards coming after u at the end, so you would simply just laser the locks, then go stand behind that barrier across from the desk (guards CANNOT SEE YOU here, similar to the bridge in the 2nd room of Aztec), and shoot Nat twice then kill any guards coming into the room while making sure to keep Nat in your screen, and then when the timer gets low enough, go to the hole while still looking at her and finish as normal.
So what this should allow is to do the exact same SA strat for 00A, which if I am correct is run straight at Ouromov with the laser.