Post by: ShadowZero64 on September 05, 2005, 05:54:00 am
Get'em wrs boys!
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on September 05, 2005, 05:58:00 am
Arnie
Post by: PerfectTaste on September 05, 2005, 08:00:00 am
Cause I know how hard you been trying and I got it like the 3rd session i really tried. Overalltime spend: max 4 hours.
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on September 05, 2005, 08:11:00 am
It's really a mixture on Depot, some people get it within hours, others have taken AGES getting it (Matthijs is the best example i can think of, something like 24 hours worth of playing on it). I'm probably somewhere around the 16-17hr mark, at a guess (and yes, i have gotten around 5 27s with closed train door 
). For me, at least, it's certainly not been a 'cake' WR to go for.EDIT: Post 700!
Arnie
Post by: Wabs on September 05, 2005, 10:19:00 am
Post by: PerfectTaste on September 05, 2005, 11:50:00 am
I had 2 really good runs. (good trainshot, no big stucks, and i got 27 on both).
Edit: Thanks megawabs!
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 05, 2005, 05:00:00 pm
Post by: DarkSlayer64 on September 05, 2005, 09:30:00 pm
Yes, I can see the future...
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 05, 2005, 10:09:00 pm
Rodrigo foreseed my future, Depot A- 0:26...
Edit:
Closed train door is very rare with me...
Anyway, nice job Patrik!
Post by: bcks on September 05, 2005, 10:37:00 pm
, nice job. What control style are you again?
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 05, 2005, 11:15:00 pm
I changed to 1.2 in july, because my control stick is bad.
Post by: .. on September 05, 2005, 11:20:00 pm
Also, do either of you use AIM?
Congrats on the 26s, Patrik and Laercio!
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 06, 2005, 10:22:00 am
Post by: DarkSlayer64 on September 07, 2005, 01:17:00 am
Oh yeah... no aim, I only use msn at the moment.
Post by: .. on September 07, 2005, 01:24:00 am
Or someone that will capture your stuff quick and can put it on a server.
Do you use AIM?
Post by: DarkSlayer64 on September 07, 2005, 01:27:00 am
yeah... dunno why he hadn't captured it yet.No AIM, only MSN at the moment.
Post by: PerfectTaste on September 07, 2005, 04:41:00 am
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 07, 2005, 04:54:00 am
Comeasur, I sent my tape to Shade on last year, with some PR's and Dam LTK 2:55, but he didn't told anything about the capture of my runs...
And this year I'll send another tape to Mitrhil.
At the moment I use only MSN, I didn't got AIM, yet!
I'm slow to speak english with a person, hehe. Here, in this board is easy, because nobody is waiting an instant reply. Do you understand, don't you?
I'll adivise you when get an AIM, OK? I'm improving my english...
Apologize, my friend.
Post by: vitor on September 09, 2005, 11:30:00 pm
Post by: .. on September 09, 2005, 11:50:00 pm
Post by: Infected Mind on September 10, 2005, 12:04:00 am
Post by: wishiwasfamous on September 10, 2005, 02:00:00 am
Post by: Cervone on September 10, 2005, 03:30:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 10, 2005, 06:48:00 am
Post by: Illu on September 10, 2005, 12:35:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 10, 2005, 03:48:00 pm
Try it on SA now!
Post by: PerfectTaste on September 11, 2005, 11:55:00 am
Anyone, how do I start "lookdown" on Bunker 2? I never got that!
Post by: Wyst3r on September 11, 2005, 02:47:00 pm
Post by: SpiderWaffle on September 13, 2005, 09:12:00 am
Post by: mrsooreams on September 13, 2005, 11:20:00 am
Methinks ducking was a late addition to the game, because you hardly ever need it - 00 Frigate is the only strat that I can think of that uses it, although I think Wouter used it on Caverns in his 00 speed run.
Post by: Wyst3r on September 13, 2005, 11:22:00 am
Edit: Ah forget about it, This wont save anything. First door cant be ducked and second oneis already opened.
Post by: Boss on September 13, 2005, 03:32:00 pm
Post by: SpiderWaffle on September 13, 2005, 06:28:00 pm
Post by: Cervone on September 13, 2005, 08:01:00 pm
Edit: And the automatic kneeling sections of Facility and Train don't count as ducks, foolz.
Post by: SpiderWaffle on September 13, 2005, 11:45:00 pm
Post by: Smit on September 14, 2005, 03:14:00 am
, but who can do that 
Post by: SpiderWaffle on September 15, 2005, 02:32:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 15, 2005, 02:05:00 pm
Post by: bcks on September 16, 2005, 01:04:00 am
Post by: wishiwasfamous on September 16, 2005, 01:09:00 am
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 16, 2005, 01:25:00 am
wishiwasfamous (
, I don't know your name...)Are you PAL or NTSC?
Post by: SpiderWaffle on September 16, 2005, 01:48:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on September 16, 2005, 02:02:00 am
Spiderwaffle, Using ducking on 3rd door is probably too complex for any use. And im not sure you can get a descent shot using that method. Maybe it could be used for LTK?
Post by: PerfectTaste on September 16, 2005, 02:55:00 am
I was kinda aming for a 23 sa yesterday, but went to 00a instead. Hmm, Why did i know you went to get 23 before me?
haha, anyways, good job!
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 16, 2005, 09:36:00 am
Post by: PerfectTaste on September 16, 2005, 09:46:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on September 16, 2005, 11:19:00 am
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 16, 2005, 03:33:00 pm
Hehehe, Patrik, keep trying, you'll get 0:23 too, now you are a NTSC player.
Is possible get 0:24 olny 2 (maybe 1) boosts, for 0:23, you need wait 5. Several of my fails I was boosted while holding the grenade
And Henrik failed 0:23 with only 3 boosts, You're crazy my friend!
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 16, 2005, 06:46:00 pm
are you PAL?(hopes answer is YES....to consolidate the PAL possibility for this time)
Post by: Djie on September 16, 2005, 06:48:00 pm
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on September 16, 2005, 10:03:00 pm
Post by: .. on September 16, 2005, 10:08:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 16, 2005, 10:17:00 pm
I don't know why Runway is more easy on this version...
Hey Matt, Boss' vid can be found in "Fastest Movies"
Post by: Wyst3r on September 17, 2005, 04:06:00 am
But yea, I have no idea why these runs gave 23. They were nothing special, I had loads of 4-5 boosts runs that were better but still gave 24.
Post by: bcks on September 17, 2005, 04:14:00 am
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 17, 2005, 04:40:00 am
Sorry Henrik, about my last post in this page...
I said "...I're crazy..."
But the correct sentence is "...You're crasy..."
I'll edit the post...
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 17, 2005, 05:44:00 am
Post by: SpiderWaffle on September 17, 2005, 09:07:00 am
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on September 17, 2005, 11:27:00 am
That was a good one about it being posted on the-elite.net... as if i check that.. ahh.. Seriously though, thanks for the link.
Post by: Wyst3r on September 17, 2005, 12:36:00 pm
Post by: Illu on September 19, 2005, 09:51:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on September 19, 2005, 11:10:00 am
Well good job Brandon, 1:56's are sweet.
I came to think about something, Why don't we self-boost by shooting mines? Could be useful for agent..(unless using GL-strat)
Edit: I was just now reading the "did you know?" section over at GoldeneyeForever and found that when playing multiplayer autoaim is Off for your opponent if you're unarmed. Maybe this works the same with single player guards so that they aim worse if you're unarmed?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 19, 2005, 12:02:00 pm
Post by: vitor on September 19, 2005, 01:16:00 pm
God, you need some friends. Gaming friends.
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 19, 2005, 03:11:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 19, 2005, 03:17:00 pm
Henrik, ive thought of that with mines before....but i couldnt get it to work. They backboost you if anything
Post by: Wyst3r on September 19, 2005, 03:53:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 19, 2005, 04:01:00 pm
at least i dont remember them being easy.
Post by: Lecmasta on September 19, 2005, 06:08:00 pm
Post by: Your Eliteness on September 19, 2005, 06:18:00 pm
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I was just now reading the "did you know?" section over at GoldeneyeForever and found that when playing multiplayer autoaim is Off for your opponent if you're unarmed. Maybe this works the same with single player guards so that they aim worse if you're unarmed?
It works in PD multi, and that's the exact reason why I go unarmed at the end of Deep Sea PA.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 20, 2005, 01:22:00 pm
Post by: Wabs on September 24, 2005, 11:41:00 am
What can we say about that ?
Congrats Wouter, you never give up, that's amazing !
Very sweet vid+run by the way, gonna watch it again.
Edit : oh how many hours do you think you put into this one ?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 24, 2005, 11:48:00 am
Post by: PerfectTaste on September 24, 2005, 11:51:00 am
Totally insane. Good Job Wouter, i've been waiting for this
Now, what's next on your to-do-list?
Post by: Illu on September 24, 2005, 12:08:00 pm
Now update the proven ranks
Post by: wishiwasfamous on September 24, 2005, 12:31:00 pm
Post by: vitor on September 24, 2005, 12:50:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 24, 2005, 01:16:00 pm
Excellent job Wouter! Insane record!
I'll give a party tonight, hehe
Is good see people geting new and insane world records. Breaking limit.
Post by: Cervone on September 24, 2005, 01:30:00 pm
"Did it surprise me that Wouter got 0:23 eventually?"
"Was his run really any different from all the 23 fail vids I've already seen?"
"Was 0:23 really worth 120 hours or whatever?"
And, most importantly, "Do I really give a fuck if the World Record is one second lower on a level that neither I nor anyone else ever plays?"
The answer to all these questions is "no".
Post by: Illu on September 24, 2005, 01:44:00 pm
- Well it did surprise me a little bit, thought maybe he'd give up in 2007 or so but yeah not too surprising.
Was his run really any different from all the 23 fail vids I've already seen?"
- Yeah I haven't seen any right strafing to the boat before (missed those I guess) and best time saying 0:23
Was 0:23 really worth 120 hours or whatever?
- I wouldn't do it, but for Wouter it apparently was worth it and sure it will be great to see the 23 on the ranks.
And, most importantly, Do I really give a @#%$ if the World Record is one second lower on a level that neither I nor anyone else ever plays?
- Yeah I give a little bit @#%$ for that, though this level does suck a bit but can't take away the fact that I'm impressed by Wouter going for this kind of record and getting it.
But... wtf do I answer Dan's questions for?
Dunno, or actually, I just felt like it but dunno why.
- Illu or something
Post by: Wyst3r on September 24, 2005, 02:13:00 pm
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But... wtf do I answer Dan's questions for? Dunno, or actually, I just felt like it but dunno why.
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And, most importantly, Do I really give a @#%$ if the World Record is one second lower on a level that neither I nor anyone else ever plays?
Seriously, I think we should be thankful that someone did the dirty work no else would ever do.
Post by: Boss on September 24, 2005, 02:51:00 pm
Post by: Jimbo on September 24, 2005, 03:16:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 24, 2005, 05:57:00 pm
Post by: bcks on September 24, 2005, 06:26:00 pm
Wouter is the lesbian.
Post by: Boss on September 24, 2005, 06:28:00 pm
Post by: Infected Mind on September 24, 2005, 06:30:00 pm
illu is insane
good work you two!
Post by: ShadowZero64 on September 24, 2005, 06:51:00 pm
And 38 00A was untied for 2 years?
Wtf, feels like it was gotten this year
Post by: bcks on September 24, 2005, 06:54:00 pm
, but bryan got 38 right after my 39 and that felt ages ago.
Post by: PerfectTaste on September 24, 2005, 07:22:00 pm
Post by: vitor on September 24, 2005, 07:28:00 pm
And Wouter, you have any idea of how much time 23 Frigate took? Just wondering.
Post by: flukey lukey on September 24, 2005, 11:26:00 pm
amazing job wouter
Post by: Wyst3r on September 25, 2005, 02:56:00 am
Post by: Illu on September 25, 2005, 08:03:00 am
Post by: DarkSlayer64 on September 25, 2005, 08:06:00 am
Many congratulations to Wouter as well, I've just seen the vid... wow. Totally insane.
Really nice job, keep getting untieds like that!
Post by: silver angel on September 25, 2005, 03:58:00 pm
0'38 is a very nice time
And my congratulations again Wouter, 120 hours is just like Bunker 1 agent 0'17 right?
Post by: TreAKAHotdog on September 25, 2005, 04:31:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 25, 2005, 06:20:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 03, 2005, 12:01:00 am
SA: I've been trying out Eises sexy strat, my best fail is only 1.09 so far, but as my PR is only 1.12 that would be OK....anyway, what do people think the completion rate is for the hostages on SA? I figured its down to that last one, but sometimes the others must get stuck around etc....I fear the completion will take forever.
Same for 00A. It was a dire percentage with the old strat, any better with the new one?
RUNWAY 00A
How much time does the reverse-tank strat save, roughly? Bryan/Illu must be saving almost a second on my speed from tank to plane, but it doesnt look any better on vids (for me, 39 speed is only possible with the best runs. In retrospect, i'm surprised i ever got it). Being a cruise boy, i cant try that strat. The only way is to magically reset the controls as i climb into the tank [hence going into the watch for an iota] and use plain 1.1 for the rest of the run. I should really learn 1.2
Also....NTSC is advantaged there, right? (because SA needs a boost less for 23 SA, hence 00A probably the same). Hence i'm wasting my time using PAL....
Post by: Cervone on October 03, 2005, 12:26:00 am
Frigate 00 - The new strat is a little bit faster (like 2 seconds on average), but hostage completion rate is improved by a lot.
Runway 00 - Dunno, don't like this level.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 03, 2005, 01:02:00 am
Eise should have the untied btw....why that might have been 1.05 had he not stopped
As for Runway, i'm not trying for 38, just asking out of curiosity. I havent even been playing this level. Although once i've got NTSC, i would be tempted to see if i can fail it with 1.1. Like, dont even try to get the shells in. I bet its possible with up-nades giving 4 boosts, say, then the guard one as well
Post by: Infected Mind on October 03, 2005, 01:19:00 am
wr should be at least 105, ive failed 104s i think dan has done 103s
Post by: wishiwasfamous on October 03, 2005, 01:30:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 03, 2005, 03:24:00 am
Post by: Illu on October 03, 2005, 10:05:00 am
EDIT: Who knows, maybe the tank is even faster driving it forward, as far as I know no one's ever tried seriously for 0:38 except me.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 03, 2005, 02:13:00 pm
Post by: RWG on October 03, 2005, 05:35:00 pm
Now with runway 00. I tried many things here. Basically go about your business until you get to the tank. Have 1.1 CC on. You should be holding the control stick forward while running. As you press B to get in the tank, tap RL Start (Its a bitch) and you will have reverse CC on. Jam down-right on the stick, while holding left C, and you just pulled off the turn with 1.1 CC.
The big problem here after this has been mastered is the end. Usually you don't put reverse CC on all the way, so you can go forward a bit, enough to end and get in the plane if you stop the tank where it is in Bryans WR vid. Its a big bitch though because you have to press forward all the way to move forward and can end up screwing up a big run right at the end because you move backwards instead of frontwards at the end.
Post by: Your Eliteness on October 03, 2005, 05:48:00 pm
Post by: Lecmasta on October 03, 2005, 06:15:00 pm
Post by: RWG on October 03, 2005, 08:54:00 pm
Once you are about a tanks length away from the plane (you should be holding the control stick down anyways) press RL Start, and then B, very quickly. Sometimes you run over the plane, but usually you should shoot out with CC on again. Then go into the plane.
I completed a 40 like this. A PR!
It had 0:1 boosts so 39 is definately doable, along with likely 38.I know 1.2 would be easier, but I can only use it on levels where you don't have to open doors or shoot while moving. Thats why I only use it on streets and statue.
Post by: deletedprofile.u on October 03, 2005, 08:58:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 03, 2005, 11:38:00 pm
The RL-start thing fucks you up because hitting start will send you into the watch. Even if you press start again straight away, you've lost precious tenths surely. Shame the pause isnt instant like PD.....
HOWEVER, THERE IS LIGHT AT THE END OF THE 1.1 TUNNEL!!! The only hard thing with 1.2 on Runway, for novices, is the hut. So, use 1.2, and use the Kaleta super-press for the first part of the level, but make sure the C-button (top) is stuck down with a huge piece of tape which extends away from the controller and into the hand of your "assistant" (someone sitting with you while you play). The "assistant" has to pull at the tape when you give the signal, hence removing the superpress. This would need to be done as you enter the tank of course
There are even options for screwing switches on top of the C-pad in 1.2, so that the 'pressure' toggles from C-forward to C-back when necessary, again requiring an assistant to control. Prolly cheating though
Also, there is nothing stopping you doing a cruise bug on Frigate SA. You will lose a little time (maybe 0.6 sec), because you will be outside when it completes....BUT just spin around again and continue regardless
Apologies for giving Eise credit for a poached strat. It belongs to Raveboy instead
And a final word.....i'm sure i read that Bryan failed a 38 on Runway using the suicide strat. Hence suggesting that the speed is the same
It seems to me as though timed mines would be faster, but i dont know if they stick or not. Anyhow, it astonishes me that Bryan EVER flirted with it, because i doubt i could do it even if i had 300% health
I have used 1.2 on Streets agent before, with some success. And i failed a 25 on Runway SA with it, but the hut sucked badly. Too much hassle! grrrrrr
Post by: RWG on October 03, 2005, 11:44:00 pm
IT WORKS.
I failed a 39 with the Runway 00 strat. My PR was 41 before I did this new strat so 38 is for sure doable with 1.1 CC toggling. Its hard and its a pain, but Its doable.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 03, 2005, 11:49:00 pm
but i think plain 1.1 is fine for the tank phase. None of this "lortnoc esiurc" concept. Indeed, it will @#%$ up because you'll be in reverse when you jump from the tank.
Also for 38......being "asymptotic" to the plane is tough. I stopped a good second short for my 39, because i'm scared of running into the plane. Prolly helps to go closer of course!
Post by: bcks on October 04, 2005, 12:03:00 am
Post by: Assassin22 on October 04, 2005, 01:06:00 am
Post by: bcks on October 04, 2005, 01:08:00 am
Post by: Cervone on October 04, 2005, 01:10:00 am
Post by: Assassin22 on October 04, 2005, 01:21:00 am
Post by: bcks on October 04, 2005, 01:38:00 am
0/ means forward boost
/0 means backboost
Post by: Assassin22 on October 04, 2005, 01:49:00 am
Post by: Illu on October 04, 2005, 09:35:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on October 04, 2005, 11:34:00 am
Post by: PerfectTaste on October 04, 2005, 04:29:00 pm
Edit
Post by: Infected Mind on October 04, 2005, 04:43:00 pm
one of those belongs instead of the other
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 04, 2005, 06:16:00 pm
As for Streets 1:14s:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxBoost Ratio: End Timer: GL:
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (02): 8/0 3:46:28 yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (03): 9/2 3:46:06 yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (04): 5/0 3:46:13 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (05): 5/0 3:46:40 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (06): 8/2 3:46:73* yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (07): 7/1 3:46:46 yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (08): 7/1 3:46:65 yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (09): 7/1 3:46:08 yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (10): 8/2 3:47:00* yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (11): 5/0 3:45:95 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (12): 5/0 3:46:25 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (13): 8/2 3:46:88* yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (14): 9/1 3:47:40* yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (15): 5/0 3:46:00 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (16): 5/0 3:46:15 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (17): 8/0 3:47:10* yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (18): 4/0 3:46:21 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (19): 5/0 3:46:11 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (20): 4/2 3:46:10 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (21): 5/1 3:45:83 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (22): 4/1 3:46:20 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (23): 5/1 3:46:11 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (24): 4/0 3:46:00 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (25): 3/0 3:46:20 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (26): 6/1 3:46:43 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (27): 8/3 3:46:66* yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (28): 5/1 3:46:25 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (29): 4/0 3:45:95 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (30): 4/0 3:45:95 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (31): 4/1 3:46:01 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (32): 8/1 3:45:91 yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (33): 4/1 3:46:08 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (34): 8/0 3:46:33 yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (35): 4/0 3:46:06 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (36): 8/0 3:46:53 yes
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (37): 4/1 3:45:81 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (38): 4/0 3:46:25 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (39): 4/0 3:46:08 no
Wouter Jansen - Streets Agent 1.14 (40): 4/0 3:45:88 no
* = last visible timer, not actual end timer
Post by: Cervone on October 04, 2005, 07:11:00 pm
pun'ed!
Post by: Assassin22 on October 04, 2005, 10:17:00 pm
Post by: RWG on October 04, 2005, 10:26:00 pm
Two without GL, one with.
GL doesn't even make it that much easier. You still need a decent run until that point, and your boosting has to be on the right line and everything. A bit tougher that you'd think.
113 is in theory possible w/o the GL. It would just be very unlikely. You can get in upwards of 10/0 boosts or better without the GL.
Post by: Assassin22 on October 04, 2005, 10:34:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 04, 2005, 10:50:00 pm
Post by: Cervone on October 05, 2005, 02:34:00 am
Post by: bcks on October 05, 2005, 02:38:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 05, 2005, 05:00:00 am
Post by: Infected Mind on October 05, 2005, 11:15:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 05, 2005, 11:39:00 pm
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I hit the battery the majority of the time when I played. I don't remember exactly what I did, but there was a certain place in the music I believe when I would start to prime the nade, then wait for a drone hit, which would release it at the proper time. I think most use this method, you should, too.
Wow....i was going to try priming it based on my position against the wall i face, and then work out how many secs to count. The music method sounds interesting, but you say the drone hit is predictable, timewise? Sometimes, i'm down to half a bar there, and if i die, i know it was the drone. A goard would take me down to 0, but not kill me. And both seem to happen with about 50/50 split chance. I'll have a good whack at this......
Post by: Illu on October 06, 2005, 01:56:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 06, 2005, 03:02:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on October 06, 2005, 11:25:00 pm
Try 0:39 on 00 to enter in the leaderboard.
Post by: RWG on October 06, 2005, 11:34:00 pm
Yea 00 was what I was playing today. No luck so far. I'm using 1.1 CC not my crazy strat, so basically 39 is a 1.1 WR. Its tougher than I thought.
This leaderboard is harder than streets'.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 06, 2005, 11:43:00 pm
oh, and can i ask about Azt....oh wait, i already made a nice fat new topic
Post by: bcks on October 07, 2005, 02:16:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on October 07, 2005, 02:58:00 am
Post by: Illu on October 07, 2005, 09:50:00 am
Post by: Axel A on October 07, 2005, 09:54:00 am
ja, jag r homo
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 07, 2005, 10:11:00 am
Post by: PerfectTaste on October 07, 2005, 02:23:00 pm
Post by: Boss on October 07, 2005, 03:31:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on October 07, 2005, 04:27:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 07, 2005, 07:52:00 pm
Post by: wishiwasfamous on October 08, 2005, 12:21:00 pm
Post by: TreAKAHotdog on October 08, 2005, 01:28:00 pm
Post by: Illu on October 08, 2005, 02:25:00 pm
Post by: RWG on October 08, 2005, 02:56:00 pm
That makes frigate a 3-way untied doesn't it? Coolness.
Post by: Jimbo on October 08, 2005, 03:03:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on October 08, 2005, 03:17:00 pm
Post by: Smit on October 08, 2005, 04:33:00 pm
no good job alex
, too bad it won't last long anyway
Post by: bcks on October 08, 2005, 05:19:00 pm
Alex=stoned
Post by: Infected Mind on October 08, 2005, 05:25:00 pm
:Pthanks all for congrates, much appretiated
Post by: Wabs on October 08, 2005, 06:38:00 pm
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on October 08, 2005, 06:38:00 pm
Arnie
Post by: Boss on October 08, 2005, 07:53:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 09, 2005, 07:29:00 am
I suppose I should optimize frigate sa/00 next, since nobody else will, making it always available as one of the easiest to untie.
Post by: wishiwasfamous on October 09, 2005, 10:17:00 am
Post by: Illu on October 09, 2005, 02:05:00 pm
Post by: wishiwasfamous on October 09, 2005, 02:58:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 09, 2005, 03:01:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on October 09, 2005, 03:58:00 pm
And I know you have capability to get 1:12 on 00
Post by: Boss on October 09, 2005, 05:08:00 pm
Post by: Jimbo on October 09, 2005, 06:08:00 pm
Post by: silver angel on October 09, 2005, 06:38:00 pm
Poor Alex...Nah seriously congratulations to you two guys...!!
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 09, 2005, 06:55:00 pm
Post by: bcks on October 09, 2005, 09:32:00 pm
*Expects a 104 posted in a few days.*
Post by: Infected Mind on October 09, 2005, 10:53:00 pm
im sure wouter will stop at no less then 104, which is alot better then what its at now, 107 was a total joke though, though 106 isnt much better, still hella better then 107
Post by: Wyst3r on October 10, 2005, 01:37:00 am
Nice job Wouter, Even though that was like the worst looking wr you've ever done
Post by: DYM on October 10, 2005, 06:13:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 10, 2005, 12:38:00 pm
like half of the time was getting into the level I also got a sucky 1:07 shortly after. I've got a lot of stuff to do STILL (like it will ever end ), so I'll just play whenever I got time..
Post by: PerfectTaste on October 10, 2005, 02:19:00 pm
Right strafe to hut.
Took 20 mins
EDIT: OMG! First Leaderboard
Post by: Wyst3r on October 10, 2005, 02:29:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on October 10, 2005, 05:04:00 pm
4 boosts and right strafe? How you do this my friend??!!
Post by: PerfectTaste on October 10, 2005, 05:31:00 pm
I was kind of surpriced actually! I thought i needed like 5 boost or so to complete a 23.
The first 5 mins i had a hard time getting 25's. I was doing the hut too slow. So i changed to right, and did a Jimbo-ending-hut strafe, got a good boost, self-boosted another 2 times with granades to the ground and got one boost when i relesed the last granade.
I'm starting to get some good pr's/wr's here. Maybe I should capture some stuff. I want a Tv-card so bad. My last captures was done by my friends house, and that time I should have captured depot wr and some more crap it just didnt work.
Post by: Infected Mind on October 10, 2005, 05:42:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on October 10, 2005, 06:29:00 pm
Hey Patrik, I think we need to try Caverns 1:03.
Who will get it first? Haha
Post by: Infected Mind on October 10, 2005, 06:37:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on October 10, 2005, 08:33:00 pm
Post by: bcks on October 10, 2005, 10:56:00 pm
has finaly made a comeback pr and wr at that. It was about time i say, great job.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 10, 2005, 11:21:00 pm
*prepares to plug VCR in*
Post by: .. on October 10, 2005, 11:26:00 pm
(I might've posted this in the WR topic on accident... I blame ugly Harv for disrupting my concentration :P)
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 10, 2005, 11:27:00 pm
it can't be agent, because agent has that Target 5:00 @#%$ on it. But well, i guess it could be bunker agent or something, with the all guns cheat.....
i'll plug in the camera now and get that one posted
EDIT: it looks like its in 4 pieces, but my camers did this to 5 separate screenshot attempts, so @#%$
(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Fkluminate007%2Funtitled23RSA.JPG&hash=598b0df80d114ca2afd657ca915d2f59a09aaf9a)
Post by: RWG on October 11, 2005, 12:13:00 am
Runway SA 23 = owned X 3 this week
Only 1 kill? I had 3 in mine.
Post by: bcks on October 11, 2005, 12:16:00 am
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 11, 2005, 12:37:00 am
a challenge: get a 23 fail with killing the 00A gayboy guy (you know....the one you kill first on DLTK). Can it be don? hmmn
you could have to left strafe to pop a grenade
EDIT: fucknig tyops
Post by: RWG on October 11, 2005, 12:45:00 am
After 2nd boost, huck nade to left, taking out the oil cans/guard, after 3rd boost huck one to the right, taking out oil cans/guard. Huck the battery nade and kill 1 more guy for a total of 6. No nades left to end.
You can throw 5 nades up in the air agent style at a time. The most I've done succesfully with boosts is 4. So 6 self boosts + 2 guard boosts=doable 8:0 ratio.
22 worthy?
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 11, 2005, 01:03:00 am
Post by: RWG on October 11, 2005, 07:54:00 am
12:0 is doable on agent too.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 11, 2005, 09:01:00 am
H
Post by: reTylersis on October 11, 2005, 12:23:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 11, 2005, 02:06:00 pm
Post by: Illu on October 11, 2005, 03:50:00 pm
.. I'm really sorry guys... *sob* I'm a complete covard, I've lied about everything *sob* I should have told you... I'm starting to cry now but I need to let you know that I've been playing since I was a little baby, whoarding times all the time and made it look like I was getting them fast *sob* I'm... so *sob* sorry, I take like 1000h for one PR
Post by: RWG on October 11, 2005, 04:57:00 pm
Try it, you can do 5. The most I ever done successfully was 4, but 5 can be done.Illu, don't mock Wouter because he takes 1000h to PR. Thats not nice!
Post by: silver angel on October 11, 2005, 05:08:00 pm
Besides, spending much time to PR isn't something we should laugh at, but respect : maybe it's the most important quality for a player...well, that's what I think...
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 11, 2005, 05:13:00 pm
Post by: RWG on October 11, 2005, 05:16:00 pm
Post by: RWG on October 11, 2005, 05:18:00 pm
Anyways, the
indicates sarcasm.I was joking.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 11, 2005, 05:44:00 pm
Post by: PerfectTaste on October 11, 2005, 05:45:00 pm
First i chatted some with Axel about strats and later a downloaded almost every runway sa file from wouter (maybe he has logs with timestamps) and after that i played. I was kind of thinkin of harvey when i got it. I thought it was going to be alot harder since harvey (is a better player then me) got the record after so many hours. All my other WRs (Not anymore) took me ages.
Post by: Jimbo on October 11, 2005, 08:15:00 pm
I got Depot A 0:26 in 52 minutes...
I got Frigate A 0:25 in 197 hours and a little over 2 years...
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 11, 2005, 09:01:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 12, 2005, 06:26:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on October 12, 2005, 03:15:00 pm
Post by: RWG on October 12, 2005, 06:34:00 pm
So like 15 min a day? I'd just do 200 hours straight. No sleep, no food, no sex.
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on October 13, 2005, 09:53:00 pm
So... Are you playing again? You will give me much trouble, hehehe.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 13, 2005, 10:00:00 pm
so yeah, probably not much trouble to you
Post by: Jimbo on October 13, 2005, 10:23:00 pm
And about Frigate, I played 4 hour sessions about twice a week.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 14, 2005, 08:57:00 am
Post by: Djie on October 17, 2005, 05:44:00 pm
Post by: Boss on October 17, 2005, 06:03:00 pm
Post by: typosaur on October 17, 2005, 06:20:00 pm
Post by: silver angel on October 17, 2005, 06:22:00 pm
My greatest congratulations !!
I hope it will stay untied for a while...
Good job!
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 17, 2005, 06:48:00 pm
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on October 17, 2005, 06:56:00 pm
Arnie
Post by: DarkSlayer64 on October 17, 2005, 09:36:00 pm
Post by: bcks on October 17, 2005, 11:38:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on October 18, 2005, 02:05:00 am
Hum... I see Wouter doing 1:54 too
Post by: bcks on October 18, 2005, 02:51:00 am
Post by: Wabs on October 18, 2005, 06:21:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 18, 2005, 06:24:00 am
Post by: DYM on October 18, 2005, 06:38:00 am
Post by: Cervone on October 18, 2005, 10:30:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on October 18, 2005, 11:06:00 am
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on October 18, 2005, 05:53:00 pm
My Friend Vitor Lima got 2:00 with this method. Of course his time was removed, because when him got it the WR was 1:56. I only saw the scrolling proof... But this don't have importance now
Wouter, or someone else can to gets a sub 1:50 time easily
I said Wouter because I Know he will try this in the future. Bryan and Ilari maybe, I do know... Will be good if them to try too
Post by: silver angel on October 18, 2005, 06:01:00 pm
Yeah you're the best on Aztec!!
Go and get 1'34 on agent!!
You're so sweet Illu
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on October 18, 2005, 06:15:00 pm
1:34/1:44/1:54 will be funny
All times finish with 4 and are 10 seconds over other
Post by: ShadowZero64 on October 18, 2005, 07:12:00 pm
wns
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 18, 2005, 07:34:00 pm
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on October 18, 2005, 08:12:00 pm
Post by: Infected Mind on October 18, 2005, 10:51:00 pm
Post by: Lecmasta on October 18, 2005, 11:37:00 pm
Gratz to Illu as well!
Post by: RWG on October 18, 2005, 11:53:00 pm
I thought I had a chance at the POM.
Post by: bcks on October 19, 2005, 12:15:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on October 19, 2005, 01:40:00 am
And good job Alex too, Even though 56's are like the easiest time ever on ntsc.
Post by: Infected Mind on October 19, 2005, 02:48:00 am
Post by: Boss on October 19, 2005, 02:56:00 am
I will be playing GE in full force whenever I get the chance. Too much is going on and I want to be a part of it. Besides, Eise has a better time than me.
Post by: Wyst3r on October 19, 2005, 03:01:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 19, 2005, 05:45:00 am
As for Aztec, when I feel like playing it (I'm going through a @#%$ up time), I'll skip the BA on SA (should be cake now, I almost pulled it off WITH the guards at the vents...), but I doubt on 00. 00 wouldn't need it anyway to get sub 1:50...
Post by: Illu on October 19, 2005, 08:28:00 am
Great job on those 56s Alex, I can see me forced to try for those too soon, I'll probably have to struggle to get those, not a very good level for me, not yet it hasn't been at least.
EDIT: oh you did those with closed double doors, when did you get such an idea? This is good, no need for those to be open for 56s, that was one of the annoying things on this level.
Post by: Wyst3r on October 19, 2005, 09:46:00 am
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oh you did those with closed double doors, when did you get such an idea?
Acutally i got 56 with closed ones like a few hours before Alex did. But i guess everyone who's played ntsc always knew it was possible.
Post by: Infected Mind on October 19, 2005, 02:04:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on October 19, 2005, 03:19:00 pm
Post by: deletedprofile.u on October 19, 2005, 06:12:00 pm
Post by: wishiwasfamous on October 19, 2005, 09:25:00 pm
Post by: Infected Mind on October 19, 2005, 11:57:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 20, 2005, 04:28:00 am
Post by: SpiderWaffle on October 20, 2005, 07:34:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 20, 2005, 08:29:00 pm
Not that i have the patience to beat my.....2.27
Archives.....now thats a level i'd rather play. But i fear i'll never PR it again. I had a couple of nice 57s back in 2003, PAL, closed double doors. I was using mini-CC then too, and ive been practicing with full cruise (obviously better). Dunno if i could ever do 56 though. I have both consoles, though have been using PAL because its in color
But is it really 0.6 slower????????? man, i need to get across to NTSC fast!Also.....is 16 likely possible with cruise (either console)? What did Wouter use? I assume 1.2......
H
Post by: Infected Mind on October 20, 2005, 10:30:00 pm
wouter cruised
and theres no way pal is .6 slower, i was jsut saying that cause if failed 56's with .6 in stucks
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 20, 2005, 10:42:00 pm
i want to try for 16. But (A) i must tape, and i carnt be arsed. (B) I judt dont understand the speed involved! I need a polished run to get a high 17. Grrrr....
ps. Failing that level is very poor
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 21, 2005, 07:26:00 pm
my question is: Does he have a way of knowing when to exit? On that 4.17 run, would he really risk a fail by jumping as he did? He jumped the 4.00 too, as though he knew it would complete as it faded. I was never able to judge....and by waiting, objective A always took forever to show up
Post by: RWG on October 21, 2005, 09:45:00 pm
I used 1.1 CC here.
I tried 1.2 for a bit, but it wasn't as cool here as runway.
Post by: Saint Shang on October 21, 2005, 09:50:00 pm
Noob error . So like when your coming up for the train shot do you backstrafe or what?
Post by: Jimbo on October 21, 2005, 10:18:00 pm
Post by: RWG on October 21, 2005, 11:43:00 pm
It was actually easier to get 26 like this, than 27 with the other TS. Only my TS succes rate dropped from 70% to about 5%.
Post by: bcks on October 22, 2005, 05:01:00 am
Post by: Illu on October 22, 2005, 08:17:00 am
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Just watched Bryan's Control vids....
my question is: Does he have a way of knowing when to exit? On that 4.17 run, would he really risk a fail by jumping as he did? He jumped the 4.00 too, as though he knew it would complete as it faded. I was never able to judge....and by waiting, objective A always took forever to show up
There's a limit to how fast she can complete, it's kind of like the hostages on Frigate, just have to take the chanse if you want to get really good times on that level and eventually she will complete fast. I think the fastest she can complete is 17-18 sec after her last message dissapears so we try to time to jump into the elevator within that time.
EDIT: oh and congrats to Ryan
Post by: typosaur on October 22, 2005, 09:00:00 am
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 22, 2005, 06:24:00 pm
i think i'll add a few secs, to get more certainty. Either way, i will have a play tonight, my times are poorer than a Baghdad busker. I can finally get sub 28mins SA total. Which i should have done 2 years ago
Its weird how there is such a clot of players with 4.10. Lucky i didnt retire with 4.11
Ryan....nice time
Did you tape that one? For your validation pusposes, one of your records taped is probably enough imo.
Post by: bcks on October 22, 2005, 06:38:00 pm
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For your validation pusposes, one of your records taped is probably enough imo
No its not, not with the new proof policey, harvey is saying one taped wr, is good enough to prove yourself for all yours times, its not!!!!!
Learn to tape again Harvey.
Post by: RWG on October 22, 2005, 06:44:00 pm
too bad
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 22, 2005, 06:52:00 pm
I dont have a working VCR or tapes. But i might get a recordable DVD player, for general use anyway. We'll see.
Post by: RWG on October 22, 2005, 07:02:00 pm
I'm not retarded. I didn't actually believe that would prove crap anyways.
The other stuff will be taken care of. Don't worry.
Post by: DarkSlayer64 on October 22, 2005, 09:58:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 22, 2005, 11:01:00 pm
So i've seen it. Its totally irrelevant for my sub-90 improvers, i'll only tape for times that would need it (WRs and other pwnage)
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 23, 2005, 07:36:00 am
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 23, 2005, 02:25:00 pm
Chances are, the next PR(s) will be DVD's up.
The question is.....what software do i use to chop up the footage?
H
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 23, 2005, 07:05:00 pm
Post by: Infected Mind on October 23, 2005, 08:12:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 23, 2005, 08:19:00 pm
If i was to be disallowed 23, you might as well ban me altogether because at least then i would stop playing. I shouldnt have come back, but its a drug
Post by: Infected Mind on October 23, 2005, 08:29:00 pm
Post by: bcks on October 23, 2005, 08:34:00 pm
* No fully unproven tied WR claims will be allowed in the future (6 and 9 included).
Im pretty sure that includes you Harvey.
Thats from the proff policy link from dark slayer, perhaps you should read it very good.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 24, 2005, 04:34:00 pm
AND i can think of someone else who, remarkably, hasnt proved 39
I hope this can be forgiven. Bear in mind that every second of play will be DVDR'D up from now on. I just wasnt set up for taping before, and didnt want to wait til i was to get the 23. Hmmn.....
Post by: .. on October 24, 2005, 04:59:00 pm
Any new times that you get since the proof policy has come into effect should be taped. You're still at a high enough level where any PRs you'll get will be worth a lot of points or will be WRs, so of course those should be proven.
Try for 22, if you don't want to get 23 again.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 24, 2005, 05:41:00 pm
Post by: Lark on October 24, 2005, 07:13:00 pm
Sure im not that great to earn a world record but i have racked up a couple of points. Don't that count for anything? Post by: RWG on October 24, 2005, 08:11:00 pm
Anyways, I'm posting this because I'm bored, and I can't play Silo right now because I'm on the brink of game rage. Here's a new strat. If someone's done it before, let me know, and I will edit this post to say "I AM GAY."
On Surface 1 SA/00 everyone wants to self boost to get 149 or 148. I think I saw posts about this on an old board, where you fire the nades in the air. Here's a more consistent (boostwise) strat.
After you get the safe key, going to the safe hut, do not use forwards strafe. Use backstrafe like in frigay. Must be 1.2. Basically, you look down a few degrees, and fire the nades at the ground in front of you, giving boosts. The hard thing is, the line is bitchy and the boosts can be gay. It does work and I have indeed tried this. Basically, you'd be backstrafing and once you saw that fence on your right, you'd switch back to front strafe and do the level like normal.
I know everyones probably too lazy to try this, but w/e. I was bored.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 24, 2005, 08:15:00 pm
Its a shame it has to be 1.2, though.....
H
Post by: RWG on October 24, 2005, 08:18:00 pm
It doesn't have to be 1.2, 1.1 no CC would do it, but Wouter's the only guy in the world who can play 1.1 no CC. My reverse CC theory would work too, if it's perfected.
Post by: SpiderWaffle on October 24, 2005, 10:56:00 pm
Post by: SpiderWaffle on October 24, 2005, 11:01:00 pm
Post by: RWG on October 24, 2005, 11:05:00 pm
That pausing ideas pretty good. Might try that.
Post by: Cervone on October 25, 2005, 01:50:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 25, 2005, 04:18:00 am
Post by: SpiderWaffle on October 25, 2005, 06:42:00 am
Post by: Illu on October 25, 2005, 09:09:00 am
Maybe I didn't try enough but I really think it's faster to not do two strafe changes but just strafe like normally and get at least as good boosts from the guards.
Post by: Wyst3r on October 25, 2005, 11:19:00 am
And nice idea for Frigate SW.
Post by: Djie on October 25, 2005, 12:33:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 25, 2005, 12:46:00 pm
it's cool how often when it's not Bryan or me who gets an untied, half the time also another not Bryan or me who ties it.
Post by: DYM on October 25, 2005, 01:03:00 pm
Post by: ShadowZero64 on October 25, 2005, 02:19:00 pm
Post by: Cervone on October 25, 2005, 03:04:00 pm
Post by: TreAKAHotdog on October 25, 2005, 04:47:00 pm
stop plz
gj
Post by: silver angel on October 25, 2005, 04:56:00 pm
Continue like this as far as you can
Post by: PerfectTaste on October 25, 2005, 06:02:00 pm
GJ!1
Post by: bcks on October 25, 2005, 07:18:00 pm
Post by: Jimbo on October 25, 2005, 08:07:00 pm
Post by: SpiderWaffle on October 26, 2005, 03:42:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on October 26, 2005, 09:20:00 am
Anyways, Yesterday i was fooling around(not really, they are all based on logic) with new luring strats and came up with this:
Basicly do everything like normal but when you wait for the guards, Dont stand on the mainframe, stand where the guard were, Just behind it(note that this strat works better if you had an open mainframe). Now wait for them to come and just run as quickly as possible to glass and pause for the disk. My experience with the running method(also used in my other luring strat) is that the guards way more frequently go to the glass. Several times i had all 3 guards in the middle of the glass.
Post by: SpiderWaffle on October 26, 2005, 02:25:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on October 26, 2005, 03:56:00 pm
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on October 26, 2005, 08:45:00 pm
Post by: Assassin22 on October 27, 2005, 01:27:00 pm
Post by: Infected Mind on October 27, 2005, 03:12:00 pm
though 23 is easier then 18, which is also easy
Post by: Boss on October 27, 2005, 03:54:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 27, 2005, 05:57:00 pm
Post by: RWG on October 27, 2005, 06:03:00 pm
Anyways, I think runway 23 is BY FAR the easiest 90+ point time/old WR. Not exaggerating, like 85% or more of my runs are 23s. I won't get 22 using the strat I use, (throwing nades at ground) but its much more consistent than throwing nades in the air, unless you're good at that.
It all depends on the player though. I find archives 17 and dam 54 hard even now, while runway 23 and depot 27 are easy like pie.
assassin, just claim your 18. Its a common time. Its easy. Its not like you can't get it, nor anyone needs to see proof of an 18.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 27, 2005, 06:14:00 pm
CONTROL: QUESTION FOR TEH BOSSMAN
briefly tell me exactly how YOU time your exits. Thats a part of the level i cant get my head around...
I also lose 3 seconds in the first room usually, but that will improve with practice. Tough @#%$. Making it back before th lift closes on 00A seems impossible, nice job! I take 10-15 more secs....grrrr
H
Post by: typosaur on October 27, 2005, 06:40:00 pm
Post by: wishiwasfamous on October 27, 2005, 07:32:00 pm
Anyway, nice job sir.
Post by: bcks on October 27, 2005, 08:02:00 pm
Nice Job wOOtang.
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on October 27, 2005, 11:22:00 pm
Post by: Assassin22 on October 28, 2005, 01:18:00 am
Post by: bcks on October 28, 2005, 01:32:00 am
Post by: DYM on October 28, 2005, 05:57:00 am
Post by: Illu on October 28, 2005, 06:43:00 am
Good Job on the frigate sweep Wouter, even if you haven't SA untied yet at least
Post by: Boss on October 28, 2005, 12:32:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 28, 2005, 07:21:00 pm
Post by: SpiderWaffle on October 29, 2005, 04:46:00 pm
It would really be something if somehow someone could get really good at saving the engine room hostage while running to the bomb.
Post by: RWG on October 29, 2005, 11:24:00 pm
) Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I can't see what.
Post by: Boss on October 30, 2005, 01:25:00 am
Post by: PerfectTaste on October 30, 2005, 07:33:00 am
The thing is, when you play "co-op" the second player can't press start nor cut the "intro-vids". We got to caverns and I always seem press all kind of buttons to cut the scenes because my friend didnt. I discovered that you actually can do some wicked things before the game have even started. Like pressing A+B on Surface 2, you will hear the detonate sound from mine (I wonder if i ever changed weapon before i pressed A+B).
Anyways, here is the big deal:
You can open the elevator door on caverns before the cutscenes is over (Alec starts running instant). If you press B on the second players control just before you cut it, the doors will be open and with some good strafing and maybe Alec stuck somewhere i think almost a second is gained here.
I also fooled around on other levels trying to get the "cheat" to work on other levels, if just like a step forward on bunker 1 and you could have opened the door. I cant come up with any more strats..
But, can this be legit?
Post by: Your Eliteness on October 30, 2005, 07:39:00 am
Post by: DYM on October 30, 2005, 07:59:00 am
Post by: Illu on October 30, 2005, 09:23:00 am
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 30, 2005, 09:25:00 am
.....but it might not stay open for 17 secs, hmmnthis is amazing
and another......on Surface 1 (for complete co-op play) one player could head off to the computer while the other goes straight to the locks. Then the first player has an open hole for....1:00? W00T!!!!!!
H
Post by: Your Eliteness on October 30, 2005, 09:37:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 30, 2005, 09:57:00 am
Post by: DYM on October 30, 2005, 12:16:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on October 30, 2005, 12:33:00 pm
Can this be used for Control? I mean, You got lots of time to pause back to normal mode there
Post by: DarkSlayer64 on October 30, 2005, 01:51:00 pm
Post by: RWG on October 30, 2005, 01:57:00 pm
Post by: Jimbo on October 30, 2005, 02:28:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on October 30, 2005, 03:37:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 30, 2005, 03:43:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 30, 2005, 04:02:00 pm
well ive been playing 00A. And concluded that PAL is just as good. BUT my biggest issue comes with leaving Val. Surpose my Val talk matches Bryans SA vid, and i leave at the same time....
well my clock switch is like 0.8 slower. I lose an insane amount of time there! F**king impossible. Is there any tip to good strafing in that section? I cant see myself coming close to a 5:14 switch, which would be really helpful.
H
Post by: bcks on October 30, 2005, 04:37:00 pm
Post by: PerfectTaste on October 30, 2005, 04:39:00 pm
But it would be hard to do a 2.? style strafing, like caverns. Caverns has a kinda advanced type of smooth-strafing. Wierd find though. I dont know if it ever going to be used.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 30, 2005, 06:04:00 pm
I had 1:03:27 from a mistimed Val exit. That was a mid to low 1.57. My best run so far.......
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 30, 2005, 08:08:00 pm
I already said that about b1. why do you first say you won't gain time on b1 and then you mention 3 levels where you can save time in the beginning and you include b1.. how contradicting.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on October 30, 2005, 08:31:00 pm
Post by: Boss on October 31, 2005, 01:29:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on October 31, 2005, 03:45:00 am
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Post by: Assassin22 on October 31, 2005, 04:01:00 am
Post by: Infected Mind on October 31, 2005, 04:34:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 31, 2005, 02:55:00 pm
Post by: RWG on October 31, 2005, 06:26:00 pm
On agent it took 2 hostage complete, fails before a 26 complete, and now on SA its 3 hostage complete, fails and 1 new strat complete.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on October 31, 2005, 06:48:00 pm
Post by: silver angel on November 01, 2005, 08:46:00 pm
I don't know how long this 1'12 will stay, but for instance, it's untied, and it's a 300 points level!
Also Congrats for Bryan who *almost* had a WR with 1'13, but I'm sure he'll repare this in the next days
Post by: RWG on November 02, 2005, 02:01:00 am
Post by: Infected Mind on November 02, 2005, 03:02:00 am
i have like 8 or so 26s, yes 26 is cake but 25 is just basically impossible
Post by: Wyst3r on November 02, 2005, 04:25:00 am
Of course you could hope for a boost, Some glitchy guards who doesn't need a trainshot to open roller door and possibly less strafe changes inside the house.
Post by: SpiderWaffle on November 02, 2005, 07:23:00 am
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on November 02, 2005, 07:39:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on November 02, 2005, 08:40:00 am
Post by: RWG on November 02, 2005, 08:29:00 pm
Also, some 26 are total crap and the strafing sucks. Others have good strafing and must be low 26s. Even a very fast train shot could maybe do it. Who knows.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on November 02, 2005, 08:41:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on November 02, 2005, 08:47:00 pm
When the record was 27, many thought that was maxed. The 26 really had to be 'squeezed' out. And you mention seeing crap 26s......well ive seen Moores, Peters, my own, Wouters, Grahams, Bryans. And there were no obvious mistakes at all in any of them. My belief was that any noteable stuckage condemned you to 27.
25 - IMPOSSIBLE. I could play a perfect run now, and have 27 come up. I just know it. People playing for 26 will have had several runs with no apparent mistakes, giving low 27s. Then eventually one of them is a 26.9, and you cheer and rest. Knowing 110% that you have the record FOREVER.
The only way it could be beaten, is if there was a way to warp through the fence. But there isnt, so.......
H
Post by: RWG on November 02, 2005, 08:55:00 pm
but fine, I'll stop trying.
Although I think Wouter did say "25 will probably be done" although I can't find the quote. And you know what happens when wouter says a tim will be done.........
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on November 02, 2005, 09:07:00 pm
ssively audacious. There is a time limit anyway, both he and Bryan would (and should) have progressed with their lives enough to be away from this gaming hellhole, within a few years. And the elite will die, with 26 as the record. I dont think its possible. And i think i am knowledgeable enough to be able to say that with weight.
The guards never boost you, for sure. There is one who shoots at you before the first gate. And he's boosted me about twice EVER on 00A. I dont think he ever does on agent. EVER. As for the train guys, a boost going into the train is not uncommon. But again, thats mainly a 00A thing. I don't think ive ever had it on SA even let along agent. Boost on agent probably once every 50 thousand runs. Good luck being "on a blinder" when the boost comes.
And its not enough anyway. It implies 26.2 w/o is possible. No way.
I used to joke with Peter about 26 being impossible, and he proved me wrong when he got it. But i was less knowledgeable back then, having played much less.
It is also bizarre that you have more 26s than Bryan.
It would be nice if accurate level geometry could be determined, along with Bond's maximum strafe speed, in m/s say. Then we could work out the "racing line" for Bond, and the time taken to cover it
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on November 02, 2005, 09:16:00 pm
Post by: RWG on November 02, 2005, 11:08:00 pm
In 2000, sterling had 27 after 3 years of playing the game. I got 26 now 8 years after playing the game. Everyone has a few levels they're good at, and a few they're not so good at.
Anyways, who know about 25. Screw it. I'm playing SA now.
Post by: Cervone on November 03, 2005, 02:00:00 am
IMO to have any shot at 25 you'd need 2 boosts on a perfect run. Shooting around doesn't attract guards at all, so the odds of 2 boosts are very horrible. 25 might be theoretically possible, but it's probably easier to do Streets A 1:12 than Depot 25.
What would be a bit interesting to see now would be for somebody to do a 26 without any lookdown at all (old style). I'll bet it's doable, but must confess to never having experimented.
Post by: DYM on November 03, 2005, 08:54:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on November 03, 2005, 04:27:00 pm
Post by: Troublesome Moral Code on November 03, 2005, 06:09:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on November 03, 2005, 08:21:00 pm
shame you cant pick up a phoenix here
Post by: bcks on November 03, 2005, 09:12:00 pm
Post by: Boss on November 04, 2005, 12:32:00 am
Post by: DYM on November 04, 2005, 03:24:00 am
) and I might try using the GL.Edit - Need 2 perfect GL boosts and Decent Strafing for 25. So, where are you gonna get 2 boosts from?
Post by: Wyst3r on November 04, 2005, 06:35:00 am
Btw, PA, did you actually do 25 with 2 GL boosts?
Post by: DYM on November 04, 2005, 10:05:00 am
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on November 04, 2005, 10:20:00 am
Arnie
Post by: DYM on November 04, 2005, 10:28:00 am
Post by: Djie on November 04, 2005, 01:11:00 pm
Post by: Saint Shang on November 04, 2005, 01:34:00 pm
Post by: DYM on November 04, 2005, 02:55:00 pm
Post by: Nightcom-II on November 04, 2005, 05:00:00 pm
Post by: Saint Shang on November 04, 2005, 05:41:00 pm
Post by: SpiderWaffle on November 04, 2005, 06:20:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on November 04, 2005, 08:34:00 pm
I'd love to see 1.02 Caverns agent. Even if it meant i'd lost a record, it would be awesome. And more achievable than 25. If you look at my 1.03 run, that boost into the lift was a massive timesaver, but i got 0/0 through the drones. With 2 forward boosts from the guards, it could have been 1.02. Definitely should be in someones pipeline........
Post by: RWG on November 04, 2005, 10:04:00 pm
I was playing though, and 104 is hard.........
Post by: Wouter Jansen on November 05, 2005, 08:30:00 am
Post by: RWG on November 05, 2005, 01:34:00 pm
........and more
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 05, 2005, 01:55:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on November 05, 2005, 08:05:00 pm
there is a thing on Runway, where if you get shot right before the plane, the screen fades out as normal, then the plane image flashes back up. Whenever that happened, the clock seems to be slower. On blatant 23s (agent), that can cause 24.
The same could happen on Depot - is that what you mean?
H
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 05, 2005, 08:43:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on November 05, 2005, 09:14:00 pm
Anyway........no one will ever get 25.
Post by: PerfectTaste on November 05, 2005, 09:25:00 pm
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on November 05, 2005, 10:23:00 pm
Get the lift boost, two at the drones, one after the start, one as you go through the toroid room (
), one as you head into the big door zone....6 would be enough Mines though......i am certain something could be botched. There is a way of angling up mines when you are on the spiral, and then switching back to weapon and shooting, but it would have to be done perfectly, i havent managed one yet. Other than that, they ought to be able to boost you like runway grenades, but the curvature and gradient (plus timing delay) makes that very unlikely indeed. Oooooh. I should devote the rest of my GE time to untieing this record in spectacular fashion
Post by: RWG on November 05, 2005, 10:40:00 pm
-beginning thru first doors
-after first AR33 guy
-going into round room
-inside round room
-another one by the AR33 guy boosting you by the next 3 guards
-going towards last hall
-thru drone
-into lift
So thats 8, plus 6 mines = 14/0 ratio?
That would be too obscene
Post by: bcks on November 05, 2005, 10:48:00 pm
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-thru drone -into lift
At the end tunnel, you can get 3 or 4 even. I've seen 3 before, and i think others had did 4, maybe.
I would say 10-11 boosts are possible, i think there are a few rare boosts you can get aswell. Like i remember leaveing the round room before and geting one just after passing the doors there.
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on November 05, 2005, 10:56:00 pm
Post by: Jimbo on November 06, 2005, 01:49:00 am
How fitting if I got 1:02
Post by: GoldenGreg007 on November 06, 2005, 01:52:00 am
*someone far off in the distance yells "jimbo! are you going to take that.. from Greg Woll?!?!"*
Post by: flukey lukey on November 06, 2005, 01:55:00 am
Post by: GoldenGreg007 on November 06, 2005, 02:02:00 am
Post by: Nightcom-II on November 06, 2005, 04:43:00 am
Post by: Illu on November 06, 2005, 08:44:00 am
Post by: PerfectTaste on November 06, 2005, 11:27:00 am
Post by: Nightcom-II on November 06, 2005, 12:26:00 pm
*David Gibbons
Post by: Djie on November 06, 2005, 12:36:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on November 06, 2005, 01:17:00 pm
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 06, 2005, 02:02:00 pm
Post by: DarkSlayer64 on November 06, 2005, 02:03:00 pm
Post by: TreAKAHotdog on November 06, 2005, 03:02:00 pm
Post by: Nightcom-II on November 06, 2005, 05:55:00 pm
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almost online 24/7, how can you NOT get a hold of him?
For GE obviously.
very niiiiice semi rape of Frigate Wouter ;D
Post by: RWG on November 06, 2005, 06:26:00 pm
Post by: Wyst3r on November 07, 2005, 03:45:00 am
Post by: typosaur on November 07, 2005, 05:40:00 am
Post by: Infected Mind on November 07, 2005, 06:26:00 am
GooD WorK
Post by: Wouter Jansen on November 07, 2005, 02:12:00 pm
Post by: silver angel on November 07, 2005, 07:32:00 pm
If my memory is good, the last sweep untied was Aztec right?
And now, will you continue to play Frigate SA or will you wait that someone ties your record to do a new untied?
Post by: Your Eliteness on November 08, 2005, 06:19:00 am
Post by: Lark on November 08, 2005, 06:05:00 pm
Good luck if you do!
Post by: Infected Mind on November 08, 2005, 06:24:00 pm
sa/00 arent that great of wrs
agent is insane though
Post by: Lark on November 08, 2005, 09:35:00 pm
*Alex doesn't say a word*
I rest my case. If you don't think they are that good try beating them yourself. I't won't happen!
Post by: Infected Mind on November 09, 2005, 12:48:00 am
I could beat sa/00 times, but im more focused on other stuff right now.
just because there untied, doesnt mean there good
Post by: RWG on November 09, 2005, 01:00:00 am
And also owning frigate would be like 23/103/109 I think. 105 on SA is very cake to fail.
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 09, 2005, 02:40:00 am
EDIT: DONE! White has been added, typo and I have been removed (according to the rule)
Post by: Your Eliteness on November 09, 2005, 03:08:00 am
The reason why no one's beating them is because no one's playing Frigate at the moment (bar Wouter).
Post by: Wabs on November 09, 2005, 07:30:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on November 09, 2005, 08:41:00 am
Post by: Illu on November 09, 2005, 08:42:00 am
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 09, 2005, 01:12:00 pm
Post by: RWG on November 09, 2005, 08:54:00 pm
Also on frigate, the speed for 105 is very slow compared to other records. 103 is pretty decent. Has anyone failed 102 yet?
Post by: bcks on November 09, 2005, 09:11:00 pm
Post by: RWG on November 10, 2005, 01:19:00 am
but still FRIGATE IS GAY
16 hours now, no 109
Post by: Wouter Jansen on November 10, 2005, 12:18:00 pm
Post by: typosaur on November 10, 2005, 05:03:00 pm
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Whats this rule though that you and typo are removed? I have little competition and 25 untieds now!
For a while ago we agreed that Top30 World Rank would be the limit for n00b rivalry members. Both me and wiwf have passed 30th now recently, so we are removed.
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 10, 2005, 05:30:00 pm
Edit: And Done! Start playing again Shep
Post by: RWG on November 10, 2005, 06:55:00 pm
EDIT: Alex has been pwning things lately! Go Alex!
Post by: Wouter Jansen on November 13, 2005, 08:08:00 am
Post by: bcks on November 13, 2005, 08:25:00 am
47 sa is a tight vid and run.
Post by: Illu on November 13, 2005, 09:45:00 am
EDIT: Very nice and fast PRing otherwise too btw
Post by: DYM on November 13, 2005, 10:42:00 am
great job on 47
Post by: typosaur on November 13, 2005, 11:41:00 am
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 13, 2005, 02:29:00 pm
Post by: Cervone on November 13, 2005, 05:53:00 pm
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on November 13, 2005, 08:06:00 pm
Good job! Try 0:47 on 00
Post by: bcks on November 15, 2005, 06:20:00 am
Good job! Try 0:55 on SA
Post by: Troublesome Moral Code on November 15, 2005, 07:11:00 am
Post by: Wabs on November 15, 2005, 08:05:00 am
Post by: typosaur on November 15, 2005, 09:50:00 am
Post by: DarkSlayer64 on November 15, 2005, 10:54:00 am
Post by: ShadowZero64 on November 15, 2005, 12:09:00 pm
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on November 15, 2005, 12:48:00 pm
Arnie
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 15, 2005, 01:09:00 pm
Anyway, nice job Alex. You seem to have no limits.
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on November 15, 2005, 02:24:00 pm
Congrats!Haha, your PRs/WRs are so random Alex!
Post by: Illu on November 15, 2005, 04:24:00 pm
good job Alex!
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 15, 2005, 04:39:00 pm
Post by: Infected Mind on November 15, 2005, 05:38:00 pm
I still have a few in mind, and am capable of about 20 more
Post by: Wouter Jansen on November 15, 2005, 07:03:00 pm
what if by some glitch the game saves 0:02 as your best time after a pauseout? lol
Post by: Lark on November 15, 2005, 07:10:00 pm
Post by: RWG on November 15, 2005, 07:57:00 pm
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on November 15, 2005, 09:30:00 pm
Arnie
Post by: Infected Mind on November 16, 2005, 12:39:00 am
the level was indeed beaten
we do need a decision by the elite however, reguarding this glitch (its happened on silo also by thomas)
do non saved best times count, if all mission objs are completed and it proceeds to next stage?
yes or no, and why
Post by: Djie on November 16, 2005, 12:54:00 am
Post by: Djie on November 16, 2005, 01:09:00 am
Congrats on the time.
Post by: bcks on November 16, 2005, 01:25:00 am
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My VCR @#%$ up because its gay so I won't put it up.
The time up or the vid up? If its the vid, just put it up anyway, can't be that bad. If its the time, your call.
Sweet Job, i was expecting a 156 though, when i checked the wr topic.
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 16, 2005, 01:46:00 am
Post by: deletedprofile.u on November 16, 2005, 02:32:00 am
More people should have 35, by the way.
Post by: Djie on November 16, 2005, 03:17:00 am
Post by: Troublesome Moral Code on November 16, 2005, 05:16:00 am
Wouter Jansen will follow up and tie this.
Go Alex!
Post by: Wouter Jansen on November 16, 2005, 06:30:00 am
Post by: typosaur on November 16, 2005, 06:31:00 am
Post by: ShadowZero64 on November 16, 2005, 12:51:00 pm
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 16, 2005, 01:14:00 pm
Post by: typosaur on November 16, 2005, 04:08:00 pm
You would have to decide for yourself whether you want to accept glitches to be legitimately taken advantage of in speedrunning or not, however, if you don't, then the same problem would apply for levels like Aztec, Statue and Defection in PD.
Post by: Lark on November 16, 2005, 05:46:00 pm
Post by: .. on November 16, 2005, 05:54:00 pm
Post by: Infected Mind on November 16, 2005, 05:55:00 pm
Post by: TreAKAHotdog on November 16, 2005, 06:37:00 pm
Post by: Infected Mind on November 16, 2005, 06:37:00 pm
Post by: Wouter Jansen on November 16, 2005, 07:28:00 pm
Post by: silver angel on November 16, 2005, 07:31:00 pm
As for the problem of the glitch, I think we should accept the time even if it's confusing for our mind to think that it's not recorded as thus by the game...
Obviously, the problem is coming from storing a time on a legit run, not from legitimately not storing a time from a run where many more glitches would happen (ending cinema + status completed + following mission).
Nevertheless Wouter, your point of view can be defended...
Oh and congrats to you Whity for 35!
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 16, 2005, 08:30:00 pm
And Trent, I forgive you.
Post by: RWG on November 16, 2005, 08:52:00 pm
Also when I saw Trent as last poster in WR topic I shat myself.
Post by: Lark on November 16, 2005, 10:30:00 pm
The only way it could be made a legit completion is to find out through the source code why the game does this, and then we can determine if it's actually legit. for all we know the game could be wrongly thinking it completed and therefor show that all objectives are complete, go on to runway, but NOT save the best time (and rightly so). Simply, the game is confused. It would be as if the hostages on frigate would escape 3 seconds after entering the boat, the run isn't legit, even if the objective is just as complete, since it happens after the run. you're just out of luck, time the ending better next time.
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Well, i respect Wouter, but I have to say he is being an ass about this whole time glitch with alex. I found that that post was mean.
He's kinda sayin "I don't care about your hard work, if the time doesn't save, screw off!" Give him the benefit of the doubt.
Post by: Djie on November 16, 2005, 10:41:00 pm
Post by: bcks on November 17, 2005, 02:04:00 am
Post by: Infected Mind on November 17, 2005, 02:07:00 am
IN YOUR FACE PD~ Post by: Cervone on November 17, 2005, 03:09:00 am
Post by: Infected Mind on November 17, 2005, 08:16:00 am
*Alex doesn't say a word*
I rest my case. If you don't think they are that good try beating them yourself. I't won't happen! "
Pwned kid?!
Wouter will lower it im sure, but 112 was a bad wr
Post by: Illu on November 17, 2005, 08:46:00 am
Good work on 35 too Ryan.
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on November 17, 2005, 09:10:00 am
Arnie
Post by: typosaur on November 17, 2005, 09:41:00 am
Congrrrratulations, Alex Anderson!
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 17, 2005, 02:38:00 pm
Post by: Lark on November 17, 2005, 04:08:00 pm
Post by: Lark on November 17, 2005, 04:12:00 pm
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 17, 2005, 05:02:00 pm
Post by: Boss on November 17, 2005, 06:27:00 pm
I already think Alex is at least the 3rd best player. He would say otherwise, but Dan and Ilari couldn't WR this fast I don't think.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on November 17, 2005, 06:33:00 pm
Post by: Lark on November 17, 2005, 06:39:00 pm
Post by: RWG on November 17, 2005, 06:43:00 pm
Also, Alex is scaring me. WTF. Your insane. Actually. Good job.
End topic.