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The Big Three Plus One => GoldenEye 007 => Topic started by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 12, 2005, 11:09:00 pm
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So guys, tell me whats been happening with this time during my absence. Its gone from being 'barely possible' to having 16 players in the fray. Is it much eaier than previously thought? A few unknown players have it......
Have many people done this with cruise? Is a strafe change performed? how many grenade boosts? how long did it take?
wanna go for this time soon....but even 24 was much harder for me than it should have been. Just curious
H
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It's like any record, once a few people start getting it, the play starts up. For any decent player, 5 boosts pretty much seals the deal. Watch my 0:23 to see a standard run. Crappiest controller imaginable to throw in teh slowness. Get my run, get teh 0:23.
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Also use the left straf to key strat, its alot faster, plus i was the first to do it.
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Don't forget to give proff of the time once you get it!
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And get ntsc it'll make things like 20 times easier.
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I hope you mean doing left strafe to the hut earlier than me Brandon,... cause I see a difference in time between us getting the 23 and you were not the one getting it 1st
Anyway, it's not really the hard.. what was said to be impossible by Bryan and Wouter with 1.1 controller style and not mention a PAL system recuiring 1 boost more, really changed after Brandon told me to do the left strafe to the hut. It really saves some time.
I dont know who you are and if you are PAL or NTSC(too lasy to read what has been said before me).... but my opinion still is that on NTSC this WR is more than cake.
Everyone can get 5 boosts and a perfect strafe run within half an hour playing... and NTSC people need only 4 (do the maths)
So, hopefully you are NTSC...
getfile me or someonelse on AIM to watch my vid... you'll see how a non-top-player gets it without any problem
now... GO GET THAT WR!
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Yeah, i used left strat to hut method for my orignal(very first) 23 agent and also my 00 39. My 23 is from 10-23-02, Bryan should be able to confirm i told him i used it ages ago. Plus if you check the wr topic of when i got it, i clearly posted about doing left straf to key.
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i'm PAL.....grrrrrrr
shame there is such a difference in consoles - but i doubt if i'll be bothering to buy NTSC, its a hassle.
I'll come on AIM to get some vids, anyhow
ps. I'm not set up for taping right now. Bloody nuisance, but i understand the need.
H
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Actually, the purpose of my post above was to make fun of Bcks' spelling. No one caught on, though.
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I've done 23 SA fails with 3 boosts on ntsc. Like 3-4 times. Captured one of them, Crappy quality though.
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YE, bcks' is wrong. It should be bcks's as bcks is not a plural.
Pwned.
Arnie
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Hmmn...i've read the orbit of the planet Venus described as Venus' orbit. I'm not sure i agree with you Durky boy...interesting debate
oh YE, nice one on the spelling, i think ive seen that before
btw Emile....im Harvey, 16th ranked player with a new username. Salute me
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I haven't said it's impossible.
I don't understand how you can fail 23s though, I hardly ever missed the battery
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is Laercio Rodolfo PAL? (just curious to see how many people got it with PAL....)
also....did Graham get it with his newly obtained NTSC, or with PAL?
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He's NTSC.
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*salutes Harvey, a superiour player*
*feels inferiour*
Anyway, cool if you start playing again Harv!
It's cool when grandfathers like you and Eise make a comeback
bcks; I said you were 1st with the strat... just not in succeeding that self-thought strat.
henrik; I failed a 23 on PAL with only 4 boosts.... so indeed with a perfect run, one boost less can get 23.
wouter; well... we do miss the battery
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*plans a getfile rapeage of the SA vids*
ps Emile, whats with the comment about Pascal Viets from Alex earlier in the topic? Did you used to have a different name?
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"Did you used"
Harvo go back to grammar class
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that grammar is perfectly correct
Anyway...dont emotitongue me, youre performance on AIM last night was a howler
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"youre performance"
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hmmm, how do i download your vids Jimbo?
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k Wouter, you can have that one
still, share vids, theres a good lad.
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"theres"
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You can use either bcks's or bcks' durkfaggot.
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(DELETED BY WOUTERS PET PARROT)
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whatever you tried to get across is true if you are into girls.. therefor you were lying. get some credibility.
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that logic sucks
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that doesn't bother you, though. in fact, it appeals you. don't get over-enjoyed.
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Fu<k off SZ, you've got no right to lecture me on English.
FYI, read:
owl.english.purdue.edu/ha...apost.html (http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_apost.html)
Especially, i'm going to quote this:
add 's to the singular form of the word (even if it ends in -s):
the owner's car
James's hat
Arnie
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23 Runway SA with cruise/PAL...OUCH! At least i'm getting 24 every run now (i used to barely get the 24 speed), but i havent failed a 23 in about 5 hrs of fecking around. Most runs finish as a high 24. My best is maybe 24.3...with lucky lucky boosts.
I right strafe the biggining, like most people. Brandon/Emile seem to think that left is better....but i dint know why, because i always get stuck on the chute, and even when i dont, sliding through the door on left strafe is a nightmare.
As a rough comparison....i pick the key up just as fast as Graham does on his 23 (and sometimes up to .2 faster), but by the time i reach the plane its a high 24. If i get 5 boosts, i get maybe 24.4/5 typically. 23 seems VERY difficult indeed
I musr be losing time just after the key, but my strafing feels nice enough..........WANK!!
maybe i should give up....or try with NTSC when it arrives
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left saves about .25 probly, or think of it as a free boost.
left is definatly alot superior to right. adam used right, 1.1cc, pal, so u can do it too prolly but left is better
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well thanks, but i think left sucks. Even if i do it quasi-clean, i am no faster
The Moore strat is genius, but you have to have that first grenade pretty well placed. And anyhow, i've failed 23(.99999999999999999999999999999) just twice in 10 hours
what do people think of the method whereby you throw a second grenade down just as the previous is blowing up, to create a superflame? is it any faster(?), because it seems as though it is. Wouter does it in his vid, and i try to do it now for both floor throws. If i get those both to work, and get the first boost, then 2 guard boosts at the end and i'm PUSHING 23. But no cigar. All this is reliant on the movement being sweet in the beginning, and the strafing line. I go VERY left indeed, often clipping the wall near those barrels making me restart, and i dont cross the yellow dashes until i'm about to release the nade. I think thats the best route as it heads right at the wing. How Jimbo got 23 in the tail is beyond me....
I dont like seeing lesser names with the time. Thats the main reason i have to get it out the way, baaah.
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I ended at the tail too, make my vid wouter.
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my 23 took 9 hours.
You throw that 2nd grenade on the ground to make sure you get a boost.. I didn't always get the first to hit me, so this was the solution for more consistency in that boost.
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ooh ok
Well, there are 6 grenades, and only 3 boosts attempted in the runs. Surely thats a waste of nadeware. But getting 6 would be tough (and to survive....)
another 4 and a half hours today: FOUR 23-fails, and improved objective B rate. But as the session wore on, i got slower and objective B got gayer. So i threw the controller down in disgust. I dont know if i can be bothered. I didnt come back for this life-wrecking quest to get times
If Wouter takes 9 hours, then its obviously far from cake. Laercio took 5(?), and Bryan 25 minutes(????), but they are crazy!! Ive already done 14. I might stop. I dont want to, but i might have to. Its a shame.....
EDIT: The fastest runs are the ones where you get shot so much that you cant throw the nade. Hence 23 speed almost implies a fail. Unless i'm really lucky. A lot of my battery completions came after holding the grenade for barely a second. I think they must hit it dead on, and then land right underneath it before blowing. I'll have to do that if i do it at all. Phuck off Runway, i feel ill and fed up at 3AM this cold British night.
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You suck. Kill yourself.
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I've got NTSC and a BRAND NEW controller coming. I'll have a go with those available. If i fail, i'll probably do just that!
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I got it on PAL, used 1.2 though. Still need 5 boosts (maybe 4 on crazily smooth run). I hardly ever fail the battery. I'd probably get it in 5 minutes on NTSC.
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Wouter.....if you get shot while throwing the grenade, your skill has nothing to do with it. So regardless of your skill, there is a limiting percentage, which is way below 50% surely(?). At my peak i was about 30%, sometimes it drops to 5%
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What a lame excuse.. obviously that's why I said I rarely fail the battery. When I fail it's because of the early boost which I can't control. It really doesn't happen often.
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Hopefully you should be able to do it with ntsc. It's not easy but when you master the left strafe technique and the nade throw it's really just a matter of time(It did take me several hours too, Like 10-15).
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I haven't even used the left strafe beginning strat yet
If I master that I might even get 23s every run
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Get 22
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no one will get 22. Everyone gets very high 23s, so finding 4 or 5 more boosts is not going to happen. You would need to get a boost from every spare nade, and then bond would have to do a Michael Johnson sprint to the plane to get....23.0
Indeed Henrik, NTSC should do the job. But i dunno about left strafe! With right strafe, I can get to the key faster than many of the right strafers (Adam, Graham) did on their 23s. If i matched their speed to the key exactly, i would know it was 24, so might as well restart. So i'm impressed those runs were both 23s.
With the left strafe, i have to look down very sharply to avoid stuckage on the chute. Once i'm down there smooth, i normally strafe at the door and it doesnt open. And even when it does, i strafe into the door frame. When it works (seemingly), its still a tad slower than what right strafe did for me
Wouter....so you get the battery every single time when they let you? I guess i should aim to match that achievement, but i havent learnt where to start holding yet! I always start a little late i think. And like i said, the 23 runs are the ones where they LIKE to boost you, and hence are most likely to phukk the nade up for ya. Gay trade-off. I'll be trying some different levels next time i play. Theres no point playing now, if NTSC is a bost less.
So you see...not useless to get NTSC after all
Your angry Dam rants C early 2003 imply that it helps for 53, too. Maybe i should try for that. Dam CLEARLY is the same for both 1.1 and 1.2, as the straights are long and the turns spaced out. The stairs would need to be done without forward pressure on the stick, for a 1.2-style spin, but thats not too hard. So i can get 53
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lol, going for 53 on pal.. I used 1.2 for that.
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I'm not! I said that if i attempted it at all, it would be NTSC. It looms like such a simple record, its like doubling a Depot 26
26(.9) * 2 = 53(.
(same strafing perfection needed)
so 54 is equivalent to Depot 27.4999999999999 or better
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go for any of the real insane untieds. you underestimate everything as if it were no man's business. show some respect for all the records we worked hard for to achieve (for most of them we did).
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Well getting 2 26's in a row is pretty tough so it might be equal to 53
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....but only one "trainshot"
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I was playing Runway SA today for the WR and found out that WTF is going on here?
I'm working with about 60% completions, and they're all 24s. I had a go of 7 runs where 5 were completed 24s.
This wouldn't be so bad, but the thing is, I've never failed a 23. I can get 23 every 10 or so runs easily in agent, but never in SA. WTF. Is it supposed to be harder in SA to get even 23 fails? I've even done 23s in agent where I only throw 3 grenades at the ground and the rest are drone boosts.
1.1CC, NTSC, WTF, this record can't be that hard can it?
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I've never failed a 23.
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u generally need an extra boost cause your changing strafes leaving the hut. definatyl harder then 23 agent for speed, but not too hard
4 boosts ntsc is enough, 5 should almost guarantee it. 3 has been shown possible
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Hey it is too hard!! only the best runs are 23.
Gaydeski, you mean you completed your fastest run ever? Biaaatch!
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Its coming soon. I started to use 1.2. Its better here. 2 failed 23s and 62 complete 24s right now. (17 with 1.2) It'll come. Can't be harder than dam 54.
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I have recieved my NTSC today. Black and white, lol.....but anyhow, full of optimism, i play. After 5 minutes, i get a run which i think is easily a 23, but 24 comes up. I discover that the music is WAY out of sync with PAL.....which means i dont know where the cut-offs are.
Anyway, i played for at least 5 hours and it's no easier. I only failed 23 once. 5 boosts (even on NTSC) will not give 23 for me. That implies just 2 guard boosts. I need at least 4 guard boosts to have any chance. So i'm losing loads of time somewhere, apparently. But after all this time? it seems unlikely.
I've no idea what happens now. But it wasnt surposed to be this hard. This will be my next PR. So if i never get it, i never PR again, basically.
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you shouldn't underestimate records nor overestimate your potential, that's what happened.
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Can't be harder than dam 54.
Runway SA 23 is like 10000% harder than Dam 54. Seriously, If you know anything about Dam then you should get 54 on every completion.
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^agree
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I'm obviously joking, but I don't think its 10000% harder than dam. I know nothing about dam, and I know a lot about runway. In my life I've probably played Runway 30X as much as I have dam. Its obvious that a time only 17 great GE players have is better than a time 70 guys have.
When I get it, if ever, I'll say what I think then.
But 24 runway SA, is easier than dam 55 no? Well at least for me it is.
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u gotta hit the battery, vs like no random factors on dam for 55
dam 55 easier then 24 for a complete
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I DID IT
It took 20 min this session. I was rolling complete 24s out like a machine. I knew it was coming. Then I had a run where the music was so 23 I was going crazy. I pressed a, and it showed up!!!!!
As for proof, I know its necessary. I'm holding back sending a tape until I have a few more decent PRs on it. The postage is like $6 to the US, $12 to Europe. For now, I have screenshots of the time if that can tide things over for a month or so.
YEAHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Very nice!
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So its taped? In the future, you can just put a *, behind your time, so everybody knows its taped.
Great Job too, how many failed 23s?
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I only had 3 failed 23s. I had a total of 72 24s complete, 45 were 1.1 CC, the other 27 were 1.2. The 23 was with 1.2.
As for this VS dam 54, I know which one was harder for me but I won't say much. Maybe I was just using the wrong dam strat.
This run was 5:0 boosts very nice. There were too many 5:0 boost 24s. I needed 6:0 for guarantee 23, although 1 23 fail was just 4 boosts.
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Nice job you!
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maybe i will make more vids in the future, you can keep me in mind if goldeneye becomes of motivation and high interest to me again, like when i first got brandons tapes. now its pretty gone and im sorry but that last tape will be finished hopefully sometime soon brandon.
if its only like 1 tape u send, you could consider me, as im canadian as well = fast deliver and cheap postage
8 or 9 tapes is too much! lol (forget how many brandon sent :P)
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Wouter: I can get 23. My potential is 23, obviously - because i can fail it (7 times)! But my battery throw has not been researched, lowering that percentage.
It sounds as though people are getting less than one 23-fail an hour. I have had about one every 2 hours so far. And as i said....no battery research, just a gay throw. I will put invincible on, and work out exactly the repeatoir for getting a good nade. It will help a lot.
I have the potential to get 17 Bunker, too - or at least, you cant prove that i DONT have it. Is harvey guaranteed to lose tenths on your run, if he plays for 120hrs, because of some in-bred inferiority? is Wouter divine? i dont see why.....
goat sex is dirty for you.
I should research levels more, instead of leaving the immersed fok to do it for me. Maybe i'll find a way of getting the key from outside the hut, to get 21
RYAN.....dammit
another session tomorrow for moi i guess, hmmn
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if harvey gets 17 b1 i will mail him 700 dollars and make him goatse
lol
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You will get 23. You're obviously good enough to do it, and 7 fails is more than I had. I got like one every 2 hours too. The only thing is I did it left strafe to hut, 1.2, NTSC, but since you're failing 23s you should be OK.
The key is in the throw. You just get into the zone and hit every throw. It just flows like that. I usually never got hit on the line I took to the battery, I can't really explain the line. And I throw the nade from further away than in most vids. Once you hit like 80% of the throws, then 2 hours later 23 will come up.
Keep at it. It could have been harder.
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ooh.....thats different from what others have said, about letting yourself get hit for the throw. I think the hitting method is better, simply because....it is a boost. I rarely was allowed to hold it for long enough to place it, the way i did it. I suck, my away period is taking its toll
anyhow, well done! Thats at least3 n00bs with the record now
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You need to also, keep taping down-c to keep your angle correct for the battery nade throw. Because you never know when your gonna get boosted, but if your doing like i said, you'll have a good shot at it. Plus learn to prime it at the same spot every time, with that method above, then you will get pal style.
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I have the potential to crawl to your position, undo my pants and insert my genitals into your hairy ass (I can make it hairy if necessairy). Although, I will never accomplish this.
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Man, your lack of penile girth means there'd be no friction for your pleasure!
Bcks, i use NTSC now - i had another 4 fails today, fksht....i'll leave it for a while, i think.
BUT....i LEAT STRAFE NOW! I find it marginally better, now that i can do it. But its more like 0.1 than 0.25 as Henrik had mentioned. For me at least. Problem now, is that i miss the key on about 30% of runs. That's high. Eek.
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you wouldn't even be able to determine my girth with all your arousement going on.
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lol, you'd be better to arrouse me with a wax crayon
END. OF.
pwned
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I take back what i said about this being my next PR. There are easier points. Gotta get the floor swept before i try and reach the ceiling
This can wait....i might be back ti it next week though. Probably statue next.
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what's this? there are no easier points to be gotten than by getting bunker 17!
you @#%$.
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Alex, send me Brandon's tapes. Ryan, send me your tape!
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its only one tape.
with some unfortunatness 1 was taped over after about vids were made......
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find it marginally better, now that i can do it. But its more like 0.1 than 0.25 as Henrik had mentioned.
Did i miss something or when did i mention anything about 0.25?
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Apologies, it was Alex that said it (see second page)
so what do you think? is 0.25 saving possible? lol
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I can`t get lower than 25 on agent
, i usually use 1.1, but ive been trying with 1.2, thing is, i get the key and get to the plane without using nades and get 25, and i still get that when i use em. When i throw my nades in the air and look back down, i seem to have drifted off course, do i have to alter my throw a few degrees cause im only getting boosts from 1 of em
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Harvey Manhood back in action, wow! Regarding his posting activity the man hasn't changed a single bit
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Did you buy a submarine on Ebay to get a hold of your GE cartridge once again? Anyhow, nice to have you back again man...
And oh, since like 8 months, I just played some GE again...
-Matthijs
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Indeed, a submarine. I christened it "Matthijs I", had its maiden voyage on 23 August
Hehe nah, just eBay'd the whole job. You'll notice that it was an NTSC PR. I jsut bought that out of curiosity. More money than sense, etc.....
c'mon, PR again, dont let bcks embarras you
H
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you live in Guildford so you certainly have money
Arnie
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rofl, howdya know that?
It aint even that expensive, either. Unless you compare it to scabby parts of the north.... I think Fal would be overwhelmed