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The Big Three Plus One => GoldenEye 007 => Topic started by: bcks on September 14, 2005, 01:42:00 am

Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: bcks on September 14, 2005, 01:42:00 am
Life would be easyer.;)   Im sure dan agrees at least.:b  

The wrs would be..... Trev could still drop nades to kill himself on cradle!

Runway a 23 (no way 22 is possible)
You get one remote mine for sa.
sa 23 (henrik has did 3 boost 23 fail, so it should be possible. Super hard i bet.)
00 38  (would just need 2-3 boost from that guard, might have to do some cinema timeing.)

Bunker 1 00 109 (wouter has did this, lower would be very hard) 108 could happen i guess.

Surface 2 sa 113 (bryan did 114, 113 would happen i think though.)
00 144 -lower even i bet (i myself did 148, and im not pro at s2 00)

Cradle sa 40 (wouter has did 41 and others)
00 40 (even i did a 41 fail here, others too.)


Post your thoughts or times you think would be the wr's.
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Infected Mind on September 14, 2005, 01:49:00 am
Runway : 23/23/38
B1 00 1:09
S2 1:12 (boosts, cam boost crazy good strafing/lookdown)
S2 1:44

Cradle 40s

those are the maxes i would forsee.

23 runway sa and s2 112 would probly be the hardest

edit: s2 00 could go maybe lower with shooting cam thru wall strat.
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wyst3r on September 14, 2005, 02:03:00 am
Ok i suck at this cause ive never seriously tried S2 without nades.

Runway A 23(Though im a bit sceptical, Getting 3 boosts is very rare and it's even rarer to get 23 on a 3 boost run. This would definately be very hard for ntsc'ers and near impossible for PAL)
Runway SA 23(3-4 boosts is not uncommon)
Runway 00A 38(No need for comment)
Surface 2 SA 1:1X(I have no idea about this level but if Bryan has done 1:14 then lower should've been done if this was the wr. Remember that if there were no nade strat then this would've been official and many poeple would've played it for an "easy" wr. I'd probably say 1:11-1:12 as wr here)
Surface 2 00A 1:4X(Another level i haven't tried really serious, 1:44 sounds pretty good but im also sure that this level would've been played alot more if there were no nade strat. So maybe 1-2 secs below 1:44 could be a resonable wr)
Cradle's 40(41 is the current wr but 40 would probably have been done if this was the wr).

Edit: Bunker 1 00A 1:08(Guards doesn't effect your speed just makes your life 10000000 times harder, 1:08 would probably been done sooner or later)

Runway SA 0:27(Dan's right about the battery so this is more of a reasonable wr).
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Cervone on September 14, 2005, 02:05:00 am
Runway SA would be like 28 or so, since you wouldn't have a nade for the battery and would need to use a timed mine. Not sure how long those take to get.

Yeah, Brandon's right. Fuck Cradle nade strat!
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 14, 2005, 03:36:00 am
Frigate would be easier.. Aztec, you can't use cheap tricks with grenades.. no grenades = no grenade launcher (or empty at least), so s1 sa/00 1:52ish, streets 1:14 (although 1:13 would still be possible), jungle 54?/58?/1:00?, cradle 35/39/39.
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: deletedprofile.u on September 14, 2005, 08:40:00 am
I've gotten 33 with timed mines on Runway SA, but 32 (and maybe 31) is possible.
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wyst3r on September 14, 2005, 12:14:00 pm
I belive i did a 32 earlier on my first try or so.
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Imperfect Clark on September 14, 2005, 04:26:00 pm
39s on Cradle SA/00?
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 14, 2005, 05:27:00 pm
they said you could use the suicide strat.. so you could get objective A blown up. without grenades at all it's much slwoer probably.
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 14, 2005, 09:33:00 pm
If 39/40s are possible, the the old records must have REALLY sucked.  42 was Wouters untied on SA for ages ;)


38 runway without grenades?  seems unlikely, the boosts available are scant.


and Runway SA.....i'm sure i had 30 the mine way.  That could be totally wrong though.  But that number rings a bell.  This is in 2000, before i knew ANYTHING...


Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: vitor on September 14, 2005, 09:37:00 pm
If you go in 23-24 speed, why would be 30 a hard time to get on SA w/o nades? Since the timed mine takes 6 seconds to detonate. 24 + 6 = 30. Shouldn't be easy to get 30?

I didn't try that, only doing some thoughts.
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 14, 2005, 09:43:00 pm
i might have even got lower, i dont know ;)  


the record would be 26, held by Bryan.  50 players would have 27, another 50 would have 28.  Then Robert Klee with 2:00, and SamSim with 2:01 :p  


EDIT:

i'm confused, after not playing for so long.....can you hold a timed mine before throwing it?

....and then i realise i already know the answer:  NO.  otherwise we would have 1.01 Caverns Agent.


They take 4 and a half, like grenades i think, so the Bryan-style time would be 28 allowing for the pick-up....
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Cervone on September 14, 2005, 10:13:00 pm
Lol Vitor, you're lost. :p

It'd still be pretty cake to give yourself the beginning boost (the one you get as you leave the key hut) even with the timed mine.
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: vitor on September 14, 2005, 10:26:00 pm
I'm always lost.
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 15, 2005, 02:08:00 pm
38 runway 00 without grenades is easily possible.
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 15, 2005, 05:09:00 pm
Well no one in Uden Holland has the time! :eek :lol
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Laercio-Rodolfo on September 16, 2005, 10:34:00 pm
Is interesting too, you ask "If boosts didn't exist?"
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 19, 2005, 11:45:00 am
So, you mean you still take damage, but no movement perturbations associated with it ( :p   ) ?


hmmn.....1.15 Streets agent with a FLAWLESS strafe

24 Runway A
24 Runway SA

104 Caverns (again, FLAWLESS strafe)

Depot - still 26 :D  :D  

Facility Agent 48 (FLAWLESS strafe :p   )

Dam 54 (lookdown yadayada)

Archives?  Brandons 17 was boostless (i think?)

Statue.....2.22?

Bunker 19?  (18 for Wouter, after 20 years ;)  )



Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Infected Mind on September 19, 2005, 11:59:00 am
note, im not posting times lower then current wrs for any level (ie silo boosts dont really matter, and wrs could be beaten boostless, ie jims run had no damage)

dam 53/118/200 (remember, had has 0:0 53)
fac 48/57/57
runway 24/24/39
s1 103/152/152
b1 19/24/107
silo 105/112/132
frigate 23/107/113
s2 52/55/132
b2 25/50/106
statue 221/221/221 (maybe 220s, dont know much about this level)
archives 17/56/56
streets 115/157/157
depot 26/43/50
train 107/143/211
jungle 54/57/58 (no idea here)
control 4:01/02??  /  4:13/4:17
caverns 1:04/1:23/1:42
cradle 35/36/37 (i think..)
aztec 1:35/145/155
egypt 46/47/47

boosts obviously help the most on agent, and are needed for a fair share of the wrs, as on sa/00 they are helpful but for the most part not completely neccisary

archives 17 is cake with no boosts (ive done 0:2 ratio 17s)
streets has been done (me and dan have 0:0, i think wouter has a negative boost 115)
cavs 104 has been done (me and trent have 0:1 104s)

Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 19, 2005, 12:11:00 pm
archives 16 should be possible still.

jungle is prolly 55 agent.

I've had cav 104s with 0/1.

cradle prolly 36, although my ltk 36 had 3 backs so who knows.

Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 19, 2005, 02:31:00 pm
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cradle prolly 36, although my ltk 36 had 3 backs so who knows.



i've not seen the vid, nor am i an LTK expert....BUT how do you take 3 backboosts on LTK?  The drone can take maybe one - but 3????

Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 19, 2005, 02:40:00 pm
console 1, drone 2
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 19, 2005, 02:51:00 pm
ouch! ;)

surely 35 is possible then with no boosts......



who cares if Wouter's first by the end of our lives

He doesn't care what we say, He doesn't give a @#%$ about our input.

He takes big pride in his determination. We must go and @#%$ ourselves because we wanted to put pressure on him. At least he's all for getting the full potential out of his abilities, people! :p
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 19, 2005, 05:36:00 pm
take your flirt elsewhere.
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 19, 2005, 09:36:00 pm
hey, lets flirt :D

*whisper's sweet nothings in Wouter's ear* :b

Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: bcks on September 20, 2005, 01:13:00 am
Runway sa :28* :smokin

Timed mine strat, 1 boost from drone. Threw 3 mines at battery, first one was perfect, other 2(decent throws) helped blow it up i guess.
Never failed a 27. Never completed anything else after i did a lame 32. Taped and maybe maxed? A crazy mine throw would be needed or shooting the mine in mid-air.:lol

All i wanted was a taped 29.:eek
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Cervone on September 20, 2005, 02:58:00 am
If boosts didn't exist, I'd probably have the best record in the game with my Dam 53. :hat
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 20, 2005, 01:19:00 pm
Harvey needs to mate, someone in for it?
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 20, 2005, 01:21:00 pm
PS: "He take"
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Illu on September 20, 2005, 01:34:00 pm
nice job on 0:28, good idea about shooting the mine in mid air btw :p
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 21, 2005, 06:09:00 pm
CAVERNS....i was at war with this for a while, trying to get the times mines to help you on agent.  The only thing i could think of was to throw them up the spiral as you progress, and then shoot as you passed.  But i couldnt seem to get the correct angle or switch weapons in time.  Either that, or throw them exactly 4.4 secs ahead of you, so they need no shooting.  What do peeps think?


Brandon....i'll get 27.  Theres no way such a rapidly achieved time is maxed.  Theres another second to boil off definitely :b


ps.  I spilt coffee on my PAL console the other day.....ive just bought a new one on eBay, transparent cherry red :D  .  But it means my return is delayed further :rollin
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 21, 2005, 06:35:00 pm
"and then shoot as you passed"
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 21, 2005, 07:53:00 pm
(EDITED BY WOUTER'S PET PENIS)

Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: PerfectTaste on September 22, 2005, 04:56:00 am
you should have bought a ntsc while you were on ebay ;)
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: flukey lukey on September 22, 2005, 07:49:00 am
i was playing around with mines on caverns the other day, :D  i couldnt get any boosts
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 22, 2005, 10:01:00 am
Patrik, i did indeed buy NTSC.  After talking to Graham, i discovered i only needed the black box and nothing else.  And luckily....some chumo was selling JUST the black console unit, no cables or games, for $2.99 :p  
(plus $35 postage :x  ).  anyhow its done.

I bought the 2 NTSC games also!  Fully set up now, along with my new controller and TWINE :p  


nothing has arrived yet though - all i have is my replacement GE, and TWINE, with no console to play them on :lol


The caverns-mines conjecture remains a fascinating open problem.  I hope one day, someone solves it.  Or is it subject to Godels incompleteness theorem? :p    (needs Snap or SamSim to verify...but they wont read this :rollin  )




Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 22, 2005, 02:37:00 pm
What a waste.. it's totally useless for you to get NTSC.
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 22, 2005, 05:42:00 pm
(DELETED BY WOUTER'S PET PARROT)
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 22, 2005, 06:34:00 pm
the better question would be, who would care a single bit?
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: johnnyintheechocafe on September 22, 2005, 06:53:00 pm
(DELETED BY WOUTER'S PET GOAT)
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on September 23, 2005, 07:48:00 am
drone does normal damage on LTK.

Arnie
Title: If nades didn't exist^*
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 23, 2005, 12:49:00 pm
except when it is an enemy in disguise ;)