Post by: Tom-the-Toad on July 19, 2005, 04:13:00 am
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Was there any follow up to this? Is it possible? Is it bullshit?
Post by: Smit on July 19, 2005, 04:55:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on July 19, 2005, 05:57:00 am
I''m convinced that the strat does work but i'm also quite convinced that Steven has never performed it. He says it's 1/1000 and it took him 10 hours. I tried like 1-2 hours without even getting him to the glass door. That means the chances of getting the door opened should be 1/5-1/1 using only 1 guard(the chances are more like 1/100).
100 times to the glass in 10 hours means that the guard came to the glass door every 6 minutes. Not very likely IMO.
Now also add the fact that Steven doesn't even mention his 2:03...
Someone try out the strat and see if the mainframe is as slow as Steven says cause i'm quite sure it isn't...
Post by: Illu on July 19, 2005, 09:26:00 am
Post by: Boss on July 19, 2005, 03:20:00 pm
Post by: SpiderWaffle on July 19, 2005, 04:59:00 pm
I might suggest firing 6 shoots while your getting the lone guard to see you and have one of them be limb hit to slow him down. Maybe look down such that youll hit his leg/foot, starting firing around when youre crossing the MF, continue out, hit his foot, close the MF, move towards glass and continue firing until you have fired at least 6 shots total. Now fire a few shoots while standing at the glass so the lone guard and the blast room guard well have your last known location be at the glass. Now hide and get out guidance data.
Hopefully the lone guard runs up to the glass, and the blast room guards follow, maybe stopping at the MF maybe stopping at glass, as long as they think your last location was at the glass. If this happens I think all the necessary elements are in place, its just a matter of the lone guard opening the glass.
SZ also says he gets the 2 closest black room guards to open the door to the black room before you get to it-
"now walk the "bridge" and at that time release strafe and start shooting loads on the next door they will open it most of the time its open when u arrive"
Post by: Wyst3r on July 20, 2005, 03:38:00 am
1: I have never gotten the guard to the glass while playing on console(On emulator you can use save states which makes a big diffrence).
2: The guards in blast room can't be lured when standing by the glass. The closest spot i belive is inside black room, Next to the mainframe by the black wall. Usually only gives 1 guard though i belive.
3: About getting the guards to open the second stone wall door, I have tried that, Several times with the strat SZ mentiones. What could work but not save time is if you kept going without strafing all the way to the door. However, Those gaurds wont be lured if you shoot by the bridge, You need to be on the other side and up the stairs or something before they notice anything. Where the shots hit doesn't matter, Only where you make the noise. So shooting into the door just wont work.
The strat i belive would be the closest to working at the moment:
Clear out black room. Close mainframe while standing on it. Let the guard see you when you strafe back to the glass. Turn towards mainframe, Before it opens try hit the guards foot. Now stay at the glass for a while then leave. Pause for the data and pray to god the door will open.
According to Spider it requires more than one guard to make it open...How proven is that fact? Cause if it is like that then we should have to use something that's very similar to my lure strat.
Post by: Cervone on July 20, 2005, 04:29:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on July 20, 2005, 05:22:00 am
Also confirmed that SZ's second "strat" to make second wall door opened doesn't work. Guards are lured when you reach the top of the stairs, not the bridge.
Post by: SpiderWaffle on July 20, 2005, 07:33:00 am
To me your best bet of other guards being lured is one of them in the bast room. The only other possible guards I see for this strat would be one of the first 6 back at the start. Maybe just having them following you is enough.
Just to see if using the blast room guards can work, Id suggest doing the following strat. Clear the black room. Kill the guard behind the MF in less than 6 bullets so blast room guards arent lured yet. Let the next closest guard see you. Run back to MF and fire 6 bullets to lure blast room guards. Do normal strat for getting the guard that saw you to go to glass. Important, fire some bullets while standing at the glass so the already lured blast room guards have the glass as you last known position. Do rest of strat normally. The one guard should run up to the glass, and maybe some seconds later the blast room guards, but as long they are coming and maybe stop at the MF that might be enough. If you get this scenario to happen many times (enough for your satisfaction) and the single guard never opens the glass, then I think you can put to rest the idea of this strat ever working. If you do get the single guard to open the glass, we have a very interesting situation on our hands.
I have been able to get the guard behind the MF to run to glass about 10 times before using the closed MF strat were you stand by the glass and shoot through the closed MF to lure him. I think hitting him in a limb might have been key. But again, he never opened the glass.
Post by: .. on July 20, 2005, 07:59:00 am
Post by: Wyst3r on July 20, 2005, 09:42:00 am
About this "last known position" thingy. I don't think that shooting makes any diffrence. The last known position is built on a lot of diffrent factors such as how long you've been there, if the guard ever saw you there etc.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on July 20, 2005, 11:15:00 am
why not ignore all guards, go to glass, shoot through mf, hide behind a guard that went up to you and is raping you as you hide. other guard opens glass door while you pause and still get raped. go to end. get 1:10 or something lame.
Post by: SpiderWaffle on July 23, 2005, 12:08:00 pm
Post by: RWG on September 06, 2005, 09:54:00 pm
Basically I go about my business and clear out everyone in the black room. Then I open the mainframe door, and go to the glass. I wait there until the mainframe starts to close on it's own, and once its halfway up, then I shoot anywhere from 3-9 bullets in front of the guard not hitting him. I run away to the spot where you would normally hide, and wait for just a bit longer than if you used the multi-guard luring strat. Now I look around the corner, and around 40-50% of the time, he is standing in front of the glass, like the other guards do when they open it.
Here's what I have experienced with this strat:
50%, he goes to the glass and stays there
NOTE: HE HAS NEVER OPENED THE GLASS HERE
35%, he comes running right at you
10%, he runs and stands somewhere else. This means you ran away too early and he thinks you are wherever he is standing,
5%, he gets stuck in the MF or there's no reaction.
I've only tried this for about 2 hours so far. On agent I have got this to work around 15-20 times.
On SA I have tried for maybe 30 min, and I never got it to work. Maybe it's just me, or his faster reaction speed has something to do with this.
I hope someone gets this to work, because even though this might seem slow now, it probably CAN take off 4 seconds, and if this DOES work, it would be easier to find ways to get him to open it faster (manually closing the MF door, shooting through MF, etc.)
I'm still trying this way, and I hope I get it to work soon.
-Ryan White
Post by: bcks on September 07, 2005, 12:38:00 am
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Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 07, 2005, 10:24:00 am
Welcome here, Ryan!
whatever happens, making 1:31 a possible feat does by no means make steven's time true.. so if you're trying to defend him or do anything in his favor, stop it. if you're trying to get this potential timesaver to work for the good of the elite, by all means keep trying!
Post by: Wyst3r on September 07, 2005, 01:28:00 pm
oh yea, Welcome to the boards!
Post by: wishiwasfamous on September 07, 2005, 02:03:00 pm
Post by: RWG on September 07, 2005, 03:54:00 pm
Sometimes if you close the MF manually, and run to the glass and shoot, he comes and does what I said happens around 15% of the time. This means you lured him properly, but weren't in the right spot. So it can be done for sure like this, its just much harder.
The first person who pulls this off would have an untied record by 5 seconds or more. I think sub 1:30 agent is doable, so THAT would be cool.
I'll keep trying, and I hope it works soon!
-Ryan White
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 07, 2005, 05:36:00 pm
Post by: wishiwasfamous on September 07, 2005, 07:22:00 pm
Post by: RWG on September 07, 2005, 09:13:00 pm
Oh yea, In SA, I got the guard to do what happens 15% of the time in agent like 3 times in 30 minutes. So I think now he can be lured to the glass and MAYBE ultimately open it. The odds are like 40 times less likely than in agent it seems right now.
-Ryan White
Post by: bcks on September 07, 2005, 10:51:00 pm
Welcome to the boards aswell.
Post by: RWG on September 07, 2005, 11:07:00 pm
You didn't scare me, I'm just happy I posted on a fairly contraversial topic and no one has called me a n00b yet for trying this strat!
-Ryan White
Post by: deletedprofile.u on September 07, 2005, 11:21:00 pm
Post by: RWG on September 07, 2005, 11:59:00 pm
But we're getting way ahead of ourselves, the glass hasn't even opened yet.
I think if lag is necessary for the opening, a good quick way would be to keep doing a run until you get 1 or 2 grenades. Then you lure the guard, run away and huck the nade somewhere. It would be hard to time the explosion perfectly, but it can be done. Maybe even shooting the computer screens up high or running around shaking the control stick a lot would cause enough lag for this.
Whatever, I'll keep trying.
-Ryan White
Post by: .. on September 08, 2005, 02:05:00 am
Post by: bcks on September 08, 2005, 02:14:00 am
Well there is free time to do extra pauses(so we do), so when you get to the 2nd pause needed, it goes faster then normal, then without pauseing a bunch. It saves time.
Post by: Wyst3r on September 08, 2005, 09:33:00 am
So what's the secret in getting him there? Easy enough:
Do just like Ryan said except USE PP7 for the shooting.
I sense a very bright future...
Edit: More tries, This strat gets him there EVERY time.
Post by: .. on September 08, 2005, 09:34:00 am
Post by: RWG on September 08, 2005, 03:46:00 pm
I think we should just try and find a way that gets him to the glass like 80% of the time, and then figure out how to get him to open it. (guards, lag, nades, etc.)
-Ryan White
Post by: Wyst3r on September 08, 2005, 03:58:00 pm
Using Ar33 didnt work at all for me and probably not for anyone else either cause it makes him follow you, dunno why. Strafing into glass usually makes him stuck in mainframe. Ducking doesn't matter.
So mainly my way is using the pp7 to lure him. This makes him go to the glass 100% of the time if done right. So just gotta keep trying ya know.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 08, 2005, 04:25:00 pm
Post by: RWG on September 08, 2005, 04:51:00 pm
I guess its just a matter of keep doing this until it opens.
-Ryan White
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 08, 2005, 05:47:00 pm
Post by: RWG on September 08, 2005, 07:49:00 pm
You do the same as normal until the black room is clear. Then you go to the computer beside the guard you want to lure, activate it so it goes up (if its already open) , back up and shoot with the PP7. Get to the glass and stay there until the MF closes. Once you are good with the shot getting his attention, it works 100%.
With 00A strat, pause out when he's at the glass was 0:39s.
With Crazy Agent strat, pause out was 0:32s. (I'm bad at this) It takes maybe 2 seconds after to get the DAT and obj A done.
excluding the Protocol pauses, Wouter's 1:35 vid takes 0:54s from obj A to the end. Henriks 1:55 vid takes 1:00 from objA until end.
Safe strat (00) + BA = 1:41 potential 00A record.
For Agent, crazy strat performed by me + no BA = 1:28 probably less, with someone good doing it. 1:34 by me with BA if health becomes and issue, again, maybe less with someone better!
Now this just has to work!
-Ryan White
Post by: Wyst3r on September 09, 2005, 01:42:00 am
Post by: RWG on September 09, 2005, 11:42:00 pm
He's a big douche. He will never open the glass EVER. I must have seen him there over 150 times by now and NOTHING. Can other people try this for even like 10 minutes and just see if the I have gay luck?
Whatever. This sucks.
-Ryan White
Post by: SpiderWaffle on September 09, 2005, 11:59:00 pm
I've lured a single guard right to the glass about 30 times and never had him open it.
I think your best bet for this strat to work would be to have at least 1 of the blast room guards to get lured from you gun noise.
You could try luring a different different guard, then the blast room guards with gun noise just to see if it can even work if a different guard is easier.
Post by: RWG on September 10, 2005, 12:38:00 am
Invincibility on, gone to that room, killed the 1 guy by the MF. No one else. Others follow so 4-6 guys in that room, lure the guy, he's at the glass and nothing! You can feel the lag insanely too.
I did this 10 times just now. Enough for tonight.
Post by: SpiderWaffle on September 10, 2005, 01:46:00 am
You might be able to save time with the normal strat this way by not having the guards stop and fire at you when you run the glass.
Post by: Wyst3r on September 10, 2005, 03:09:00 am
Of course, this is just one of my many thoeries but seems pretty logic right now. I belive using the Ar33 would make him a bit more unsure about the position but that would also make his "going to glass" rate much worse. So i was thinking that maybe lure him with pp7 and after that shoot some Ar33? Dunno if it makes any diffrence but anything is worth a try.
About extra guards, I dunno really. The fastest one would be the one we usually lure without making noise though that would make this strat very similar to my Aztec strat(If you can do my strat without waiting for the first guard though, This could save 3-4 seconds anyways. Also worth a try.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 10, 2005, 06:55:00 am
Post by: RWG on September 11, 2005, 01:14:00 am
I put on invincibility and GoldPP7 just because I'm lazy and don't want to get raped. Jump down the pit, go and kill jaws, take his key, jump the wall, back upstairs. I do the black room normal, except I open the glass door. I lure the single guard like normal, but I stand inside the glass door where you get the DAT. For whatever reason, he always gets confused and runs around and then runs to you. He never goes there and stays there. Its almost like he knows when the door is open and reacts accordingly.
BTW I know luring extra guards might affect the situation, but it doesn't matter here. This is a new strat for a new sexy untied record time. The fact is, the guards everyone is saying to lure (blast room, quiet guard) are the same ones used in the current strat. They run the same speed and get lured from the same places as the current strats. Because of this, there is no point in luring these guards because it takes the same amount of time to get them to the glass door.
I do think you're right though Henrik, the PP7 shot lures the guard to your exact position, thus not inside the glass. I don't know what to do now.
-Ryan White
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 11, 2005, 09:04:00 am
wrong, they aren't being lured to open the glass door themselves, but to increase the chance of the single MF guard opening the glass door because of the extra lag they would create. in the current strat it's the closest guard of the 3 guards after the MF guard, which I believe I killed in my runs. therefor the current strat is faster than the strat I used, and the single MF guard would be faster than both of those.
Post by: RWG on September 11, 2005, 01:37:00 pm
1) Lure that guy I mentioned. Close the MF and stand on it in the middle. When he turns the corner, back up and lure the single guy as you usually do, praying he doesn't shoot you and mess up luring the other guy. Go to the glass, then hide.
RESULT- Single guy at glass, other guy runs right at you.
2) Lure the guy again. Close the MF and stand on it. Hide behind the comp like the normal strat so he doesn't see you. Shoot to lure the single guard through a tiny opening above the comp. Run to the glass. Hide.
RESULT- They both run around in circles beside the MF. How gay.
The only time I can get the blast guard to think I'm at the glass is when I kill the single guy accidentaly while trying to lure him. Then he stands at the glass alone and doesn't open it.
-Ryan White
Post by: Wyst3r on September 11, 2005, 02:54:00 pm
Lure exhaust guard by shooting alot. Now stay like near the glass but so the guy can see you when going around the corner. If the MF closes somewhere around here then go back to glass and lure the other guy like normal. Theoreticly this sounds good to me but i haven't tried it in reality.
And i dont have any clue about when the MF will close(if opened when you arrive at black room).
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 11, 2005, 03:54:00 pm
how about just skipping first 2 rooms, kill everyone in black room, and go for the single MF guard only. all guards you ignored in the start should create enough lag to get it to work sometime, if it's possible.sometimes they could throw a grenade too.
Post by: RWG on September 11, 2005, 05:26:00 pm
I tried what you said just now before. I though it might work, but it doesn't so far. There's like 50000 possible strats that might help that guard open the door.
-Ryan White