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Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: .. on February 28, 2008, 08:41:00 am

We're back and better than ever! This year we're going a bit more standard with the league, using 5 scoring categories each for offense/pitching. R, HR, RBI, SB, AVG and W, K, SV, ERA, WHIP. We're also adding the Corner Infielder and Middle Infielder positions to switch things up a little bit! This will be a 12 team league as always, and the following are invited back for another year of great competition:

Come
Ngamer
QB
Boss
Wheat
packattack
Shep
DarkHawk
wiff
Youse

That means that there are 2 spots open for new players (or those who want to return but aren't on the list). The only exception is Alec, whose poor performance last year has earned him a lifetime ban from Elite Fantasy Baseball!

Anyone on the list will find the league ID and password in their Yuku inbox (click the little letter thing at the top of the screen). Currently the draft date/time is set at Saturday March 8th, 11:00AM EDT. I'd like to keep the draft on a weekend so we get a nice turnout, but the date/time are manageable as long as it's before March 19th. Let me know if the current draft date works for you, and if not, what we can all agree on changing it to.

Good luck!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: packattack on February 28, 2008, 01:00:00 pm

I'm in. Hopefully I can have a better draft this year.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wishiwasfamous on February 28, 2008, 01:39:00 pm

I'm signing up and can make it to the draft as of right now!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on February 28, 2008, 02:43:00 pm

I'm uncharacteristically excited for baseball season this year!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on February 28, 2008, 05:26:00 pm

HOLD UP!

We had a discussion about this in Chat a few weeks back where everyone (I think it was Boss/QB/wheat/myself at the time) was in favor of sticking with on base percentage rather than average. Personally I maintain that stance. Otherwise the changes look good; we had also agreed at the time that CGs needed to go.

I'd also like to just throw it out there- if two new interested "good sports" can't be found, I'd be perfectly fine going with a 10 man league this season.

As for the starting date, boooo. I'd much rather keep to the Saturday morning tradition, since every Sunday is going to be trouble for me.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: rshepherd1000 on February 28, 2008, 06:54:00 pm

I'm uncharacteristically excited about the current draft time

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on February 29, 2008, 08:37:00 pm

I'm in favor of just leaving the 10 people as they are. Can't wait to have another top 3 pick get hurt opening day and not play the rest of the season.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on February 29, 2008, 08:56:00 pm

and the original post seems to be off b/c my pm didn't get any sign up info (and I'm still having problems with this [censored] board grr)

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: .. on March 01, 2008, 09:57:00 am

Draft Date Change:

Saturday March 8th, 11:00AM EDT

This will better accommodate Ngamer for sure, and maybe some others. But, it's dependent on all 10/12 people joining the league in time! If they aren't in by Friday, I'll have to move the draft back to Sunday the 16th.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: rshepherd1000 on March 01, 2008, 10:27:00 am

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Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wishiwasfamous on March 01, 2008, 12:02:00 pm

I'm in favor of that draft date change.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on March 01, 2008, 03:48:00 pm

That's one early-ass draft!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on March 01, 2008, 04:02:00 pm

Currently this league is not associated with any previous seasons. If you have played in previous seasons, your League Commissioner can set up the All Time results from Commissioner Tools: Set League History.

Dooooo it. Pretty awesome draft time! I've joined now, which takes us to 6. wheat I assume is making his way there, but where's Boss? I'll get in touch with Youse over facebook or somesuch, but DH is going to be a challenge...

EDIT - Whoo, Boss is in now! Just two left.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on March 02, 2008, 05:08:00 pm

after last season I'm shocked ng would be the one pushing for the historical results (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Flaugh.gif&hash=657f1346088ce2081c398c7379c3a47e4cf5861b)

Well let the Boss invitational errr the Fantasy Baseball season begin! (and the wheat thins are in to win this season! new with terrible rhyming!)

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on March 02, 2008, 05:51:00 pm

I estimate a 98% chance that wheat grades my draft as a D or lower. 85% chance I finish ahead of him.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: dragondragon18 on March 03, 2008, 10:36:00 am

Yeah, I agree. The idea is to have the draft as close to opening day as possible to lessen the chance of having injured players straight from the get go.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: packattack on March 03, 2008, 05:35:00 pm

Is it going to stay BA or change to OBP. It makes a big difference in who I'll consider drafting.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: TheFlash on March 04, 2008, 06:12:00 pm

Hey, I'm wondering if I can get in on this if you guys still need those extra players? I placed second in the MK sites' league last year and I'd like to join this one.

(Also, if any of you want to join another, highly uncompetitive league, you're welcome to put a team in the MK sites league, find the topic on their board. They only have about 5-6 people interested already and are looking for at least 8...)

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: rshepherd1000 on March 05, 2008, 06:46:00 am

this league is anything but highly uncompetitive!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: rshepherd1000 on March 05, 2008, 08:22:00 am

Fantastic news for all particpants and the rail:

We've had Neo's bicentennial fantasy nfl wrapups, Jack/Bully's annual ge/pd news, Boss and the monthly fantasy golf summary, Fal's weekly soccer rundowns, my weekly nfl/soccer analysis/rants and Shade's never seen nhl writeups. All provided without a subscription. Set this aside everyone. This is HISTORY compared to what we will have lined up now as we embark on the 2008 MLB season:

Wheat will be agreeing to DAILY fantasy baseball updates! This unprecedented, but necessary, level of coverage is a tremendous landmark for Elite fantasy sports and welcome news to all who value his opinion in the highest tier of sports analysis.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: dragondragon18 on March 05, 2008, 11:16:00 am

Daily updates. So they'll last 2 weeks max?

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: packattack on March 05, 2008, 01:06:00 pm

.avg or .obp?

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: TheFlash on March 05, 2008, 02:45:00 pm

So...can I join?

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Matis on March 05, 2008, 05:37:00 pm

Quote

(Also, if any of you want to join another, highly uncompetitive league, you're welcome to put a team in the MK sites league, find the topic on their board. They only have about 5-6 people interested already and are looking for at least 8...)

the last thing you typed the 8...) looks like a wiener (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ffrown.gif&hash=9bb8520656650a7c2457ae0ae2ee8996e4109fd6)

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wishiwasfamous on March 05, 2008, 05:58:00 pm

Crap, I can't make it for the draft. Go figure.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: youseinthehouse on March 05, 2008, 08:56:00 pm

I got a message on facebook from Ngamer letting me know about this.

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That's one early-ass draft!

This.

Still, settings look reasonable, so I guess I'm in. I might not be awake for the draft, but I should be able to get a decent enough pre ranking in if not. I haven't had enough time to sort out a great draft strategy this year yet. Not like the one that netted me a Y! public league win and a (sigh) Y! winner's league 2nd last year, anyway.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on March 05, 2008, 09:12:00 pm

Can't wait for those Fantasy updates!

Flashdance wasn't insulting out league, guys, he was just saying that the Kart league wasn't very active last year.

Speaking of active, PDO joined yesterday and Youse is about to get in, which will put us at the 10 we were looking for. Although we could certainly go back to 12 if there was enough interest. Flash, hang around a few more days in case DarkHawk comes back in time to join, but if not, I wouldn't have a problem with your joining us. Assuming, of course, that you would assure me of your plans to stay active the entire season.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: TheFlash on March 06, 2008, 12:51:00 am

Sounds good, NGamer64. Of course I wasn't insulting your league, maybe I should've used (highly uncompetitive) to clarify myself.

Just hit me up here or something if there ends up being a spot for me. Don't worry about commitment, I live baseball from March to October.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: .. on March 06, 2008, 07:52:00 am

Boss is an idiot and waited until 2 days until draft time to tell us he wouldn't make it, so we're changing AGAIN.

Sun Mar 16 11:30am EDT is the new draft date/time. Even gave you fellas 30 minutes more sleep! (Yahoo had all the 11:00 and 11:15 spots full)

We're rolling with AVG, Pack. Next year we'll do OBP again.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wishiwasfamous on March 06, 2008, 12:20:00 pm

Thanks so much, Steve! <3

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: dragondragon18 on March 06, 2008, 01:16:00 pm

Hmmm, I thought Boss said he was gonna draft while Clemens and I played video games or something.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on March 14, 2008, 08:23:00 pm

Remember, we draft in one day and 15 hours.

What's this about Boss dropping out? He's the three-time defending Champ- that's the stupidest thing I ever heard. But whatever.

With no DarkHawk in sight, I'd say it's time to let Flash in as our 10th man.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on March 14, 2008, 09:54:00 pm

Man, he's certainly made it less fun for me to beat the rest of you slugs. This'll be the fantasy baseball equivalent of shadowboxing.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: .. on March 15, 2008, 06:51:00 am

Fuck Boss. Makes us change the draft date just for him and now he's not even going to play. Not like he has anything better to do with his life anyways. (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftired.gif&hash=f438dc0218e799f2115dbe611fb308c8dadffe09)

Sent the league info to Flasher, so hopefully he'll join in time since we need an even number to be able to draft.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: TheFlash on March 15, 2008, 11:21:00 am

Yah, I'll join in time...just need to know where and how...

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wishiwasfamous on March 15, 2008, 11:25:00 am

Sweet, see you all tomorrow! How early can get into the draft room?

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on March 15, 2008, 11:30:00 am

Check your Yuku messages, Flash.

Prolly 30-45 minutes before the draft, wiff.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: TheFlash on March 15, 2008, 11:52:00 am

Yah, I got his message before I posted it but I didn't see the infos in it at the top, just "Join up soon!..." haha

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: rshepherd1000 on March 15, 2008, 05:01:00 pm

lol bossaments

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: dragondragon18 on March 16, 2008, 01:54:00 am

He can't get online very often.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wishiwasfamous on March 16, 2008, 01:18:00 pm

Good draft everyone!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on March 16, 2008, 09:16:00 pm

Here they are- the complete 2008 Draft Results!

Legend:
IsThereAGreatTeam - Flash
Team Angle - Shep
Kingers Kings - PDO
wheat thins - wheat
Daytona Sidewinders - QB
wiff's roids - wiff
Sillies - Youse
SuperCrew - Ngamer
Come - Come
packattack - pack

Round By Round

Round 1
1.	Ãlex RodrÃguez	IsThereAGrea...
2.	Hanley RamÃrez	Team Angle
3.	JosÃ© Reyes	Kingers Kings
4.	Chase Utley	wheat thins
5.	Jimmy Rollins	Daytona Side...
6.	Matt Holliday	Ng's SuperCrew
7.	Albert Pujols	wiff's 'roid...
8.	David Wright	Sillies
9.	Miguel Cabrera	Come
10.	Ryan Braun	packattack

Round 2
1.	David Ortiz	packattack
2.	Prince Fielder	Come
3.	Johan Santana	Sillies
4.	Alfonso Soriano	wiff's 'roid...
5.	Ryan Howard	Ng's SuperCrew
6.	Grady Sizemore	Daytona Side...
7.	Carlos BeltrÃ¡n	wheat thins
8.	Carl Crawford	Kingers Kings
9.	Brandon Phillips	Team Angle
10.	Jake Peavy	IsThereAGrea...

Round 3
1.	Vladimir Guerrero	IsThereAGrea...
2.	Mark Teixeira	Team Angle
3.	Ichiro Suzuki	Kingers Kings
4.	Magglio OrdÃ³Ã±ez	wheat thins
5.	Lance Berkman	Daytona Side...
6.	B.J. Upton	Ng's SuperCrew
7.	Carlos Lee	wiff's 'roid...
8.	Curtis Granderson	Sillies
9.	VÃctor MartÃnez	Come
10.	Russell Martin	packattack

Round 4
1.	Bobby Abreu	packattack
2.	Josh Beckett	Come
3.	Ãlex RÃos	Sillies
4.	Troy Tulowitzki	wiff's 'roid...
5.	Brandon Webb	Ng's SuperCrew
6.	Justin Morneau	Daytona Side...
7.	Erik Bedard	wheat thins
8.	Brian Roberts	Kingers Kings
9.	Adam Dunn	Team Angle
10.	Brian McCann	IsThereAGrea...

Round 5
1.	Derrek Lee	IsThereAGrea...
2.	C.C. Sabathia	Team Angle
3.	Aramis RamÃrez	Kingers Kings
4.	Chone Figgins	wheat thins
5.	Manny RamÃrez	Daytona Side...
6.	J.J. Putz	Ng's SuperCrew
7.	Torii Hunter	wiff's 'roid...
8.	Derek Jeter	Sillies
9.	Jonathan Papelbon	Come
10.	Cole Hamels	packattack

Round 6
1.	Garrett Atkins	packattack
2.	Hunter Pence	Come
3.	Travis Hafner	Sillies
4.	Todd Helton	wiff's 'roid...
5.	Nick Markakis	Ng's SuperCrew
6.	Chipper Jones	Daytona Side...
7.	Carlos GuillÃ©n	wheat thins
8.	Robinson CanÃ³	Kingers Kings
9.	Joe Nathan	Team Angle
10.	John Lackey	IsThereAGrea...

Round 7
1.	John Smoltz	IsThereAGrea...
2.	Corey Hart	Team Angle
3.	Eric Byrnes	Kingers Kings
4.	Carlos PeÃ±a	wheat thins
5.	AdriÃ¡n GonzÃ¡lez	Daytona Side...
6.	Justin Verlander	Ng's SuperCrew
7.	Dustin Pedroia	wiff's 'roid...
8.	Dan Haren	Sillies
9.	Aaron Harang	Come
10.	Ian Kinsler	packattack

Round 8
1.	Gary Sheffield	packattack
2.	Miguel Tejada	Come
3.	Chris Young	Sillies
4.	Carlos Zambrano	wiff's 'roid...
5.	Joe Mauer	Ng's SuperCrew
6.	Chris Young	Daytona Side...
7.	Francisco RodrÃguez	wheat thins
8.	Takashi Saito	Kingers Kings
9.	Ryan Zimmerman	Team Angle
10.	Khalil Greene	IsThereAGrea...

Round 9
1.	Aaron Hill	IsThereAGrea...
2.	Francisco Cordero	Team Angle
3.	JosÃ© Valverde	Kingers Kings
4.	Vernon Wells	wheat thins
5.	Rickie Weeks	Daytona Side...
6.	AdriÃ¡n BÃ©ltre	Ng's SuperCrew
7.	Mike Lowell	wiff's 'roid...
8.	Rafael Furcal	Sillies
9.	Jason Bay	Come
10.	Juan Pierre	packattack

Round 10
1.	Billy Wagner	packattack
2.	Dan Uggla	Come
3.	Scott Kazmir	Sillies
4.	Mariano Rivera	wiff's 'roid...
5.	Michael Young	Ng's SuperCrew
6.	Bobby Jenks	Daytona Side...
7.	Jorge Posada	wheat thins
8.	Roy Oswalt	Kingers Kings
9.	Ben Sheets	Team Angle
10.	Jermaine Dye	IsThereAGrea...

Round 11
1.	Jeff Francoeur	IsThereAGrea...
2.	Kenji Johjima	Team Angle
3.	Brad Hawpe	Kingers Kings
4.	Ã‰dgar RenterÃa	wheat thins
5.	Paul Konerko	Daytona Side...
6.	Hideki Matsui	Ng's SuperCrew
7.	Trevor Hoffman	wiff's 'roid...
8.	FÃ©lix HernÃ¡ndez	Sillies
9.	Fausto Carmona	Come
10.	James Shields	packattack

Round 12
1.	Orlando Cabrera	packattack
2.	Francisco Liriano	Come
3.	Andruw Jones	Sillies
4.	Daisuke Matsuzaka	wiff's 'roid...
5.	Brad Lidge	Ng's SuperCrew
6.	Nick Swisher	Daytona Side...
7.	Roy Halladay	wheat thins
8.	Tim Lincecum	Kingers Kings
9.	Javier VÃ¡zquez	Team Angle
10.	Brett Myers	IsThereAGrea...

Round 13
1.	Manny Corpas	IsThereAGrea...
2.	Rich Hill	Team Angle
3.	Kelvim Escobar	Kingers Kings
4.	Jim Thome	wheat thins
5.	Yovani Gallardo	Daytona Side...
6.	J.J. Hardy	Ng's SuperCrew
7.	Jeff Francis	wiff's 'roid...
8.	Howie Kendrick	Sillies
9.	Jacoby Ellsbury	Come
10.	John Maine	packattack

Round 14
1.	Rafael Soriano	packattack
2.	Joba Chamberlain	Come
3.	Huston Street	Sillies
4.	Ted Lilly	wiff's 'roid...
5.	Johnny Damon	Ng's SuperCrew
6.	Kelly Johnson	Daytona Side...
7.	James Loney	wheat thins
8.	Matt Cain	Kingers Kings
9.	Alex Gordon	Team Angle
10.	Yunel Escobar	IsThereAGrea...

Round 15
1.	Jarrod Saltalamacchia	IsThereAGrea...
2.	Matt Capps	Team Angle
3.	Brad Penny	Kingers Kings
4.	A.J. Burnett	wheat thins
5.	Chad Billingsley	Daytona Side...
6.	Carlos Delgado	Ng's SuperCrew
7.	Ken Griffey Jr.	wiff's 'roid...
8.	Chad Cordero	Sillies
9.	Shane Victorino	Come
10.	Delmon Young	packattack

Round 16
1.	PlÃ¡cido Polanco	packattack
2.	Jason Isringhausen	Come
3.	Carlos MÃ¡rmol	Sillies
4.	Kazuo Matsui	wiff's 'roid...
5.	Pedro MartÃnez	Ng's SuperCrew
6.	Dustin McGowan	Daytona Side...
7.	Chien-Ming Wang	wheat thins
8.	Kevin Youkilis	Kingers Kings
9.	Joakim Soria	Team Angle
10.	Ian Snell	IsThereAGrea...

Round 17
1.	Tim Hudson	IsThereAGrea...
2.	Matt Kemp	Team Angle
3.	IvÃ¡n RodrÃguez	Kingers Kings
4.	Oliver PÃ©rez	wheat thins
5.	Clay Buchholz	Daytona Side...
6.	Jered Weaver	Ng's SuperCrew
7.	Joe Borowski	wiff's 'roid...
8.	Phil Hughes	Sillies
9.	Jeff Kent	Come
10.	Eric Gagne	packattack

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on March 17, 2008, 02:55:00 am

I'm really looking forward to this season, after that draft of mine. Not sure how wheat's going to end up scoring it, but in my own mind I'd have to say it went as well as I could have hoped for. As an example, here's how one top fantasy site rated my players, based on their '08 projections:

* Brandon Webb - Fantasy's Third Best Pitcher (behind only Santana and Peavy)
Justin Verlander - #7 Pitcher
* Ryan Howard - #2 First Baseman
* JJ Putz - #1 Relief Pitcher
* Joe Mauer - #3 Catcher
* B.J. Upton - #3 Second Baseman
* Matt Holiday - #1 Outfielder
* Adrian Beltre - #9 Third Baseman
* Michael Young - #8 Shortstop

Additionally, 6 of my picks (Holliday, Howard, Webb, Upton, Putz, Markakis) project as Top 30 Fantasy scorers for the coming season.

Talk about stacked!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: youseinthehouse on March 17, 2008, 03:43:00 am

subject says it all.

Anyways, yeah, overslept the draft but I actually had a dream about landing Santana somehow... weird. I'm not even THAT upset with how the autopick turned out for me. I hate the Mets so having my first 2 picks be those guys was crappy, in fact, Wright is one of my favorite players to boo when he comes to town. Whatevs, 8th pick I'll take him. Kind of upset with teh Granderson pick because he clearly had the best season of his career last year. Now I'm just that team who overspent on a UFA (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ffrown.gif&hash=9bb8520656650a7c2457ae0ae2ee8996e4109fd6) Maybe a reach for Rios, but he could be on the verge of a monster year with Toronto's lineup shakeup and also the fact that he's entering his prime... his #s have steadily risen each year he's been in the league. (My favorite team is actually the Blue Jays in addition to the Phils, so I'm glad I have Rios). I'm also fine with Jeter and Hafner... man, if Hafner bounces back to his 2k4-2k6 form, watch out.

My draft starts to fall apart around 9th round, since I only pre-ranked so much. A ton of crappy picks. (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ffrown.gif&hash=9bb8520656650a7c2457ae0ae2ee8996e4109fd6)

Overall, autopick did better than I thought it would. I really feared getting stuck with Pujols but luckily that didn't happen.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: dragondragon18 on March 17, 2008, 01:08:00 pm

I have 6 out of your top 20 on my fantasy team (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e).

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on March 18, 2008, 05:42:00 am

Self Analysis--my goal into this draft was to fill out the entire offensive lineup first--and that didn't happen. If I didn't get first I was rooting for the back hoping to either get Utley/Howard, Cabrera/Howard or one of those guys/Fielder. (in other words--come's slot) Stuck pick at #4 obviously not taking Pujols. Bedard was a I didn't like any of the offensive players here pick (would've taken the same guy that I did later). Same with the Krod pick. (although I wish that guy was so on the cubs) beltran was a stuck pick as well. That spot really sucked. (I see Howard/Sizemore two picks in front and am thinking--could Size possibly fall? please please please... you teasers (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ffrown.gif&hash=9bb8520656650a7c2457ae0ae2ee8996e4109fd6) )

Carlos Guillen was a target pick so I could either put him at SS or MI. Basically I'm playing a 1B at MI which is a pretty nice advantage. Tigers were also target picks seeing as I think they've got the best offense I've ever seen (even if Mags only hits .300 the RBI/R numbers have to be 100/100 easy. Then I reached on some pitchers late thinking their K rates were better than they were (I almost picked Buchholz before Wang--doh) Orlando Hudson was a waste pick. Carpenter [censored] owes me (I thought I was going to stash him on the DL draft Marcum next then add a Maybin type--oops lol. [DL's don't start till season starts (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ffrown.gif&hash=9bb8520656650a7c2457ae0ae2ee8996e4109fd6) ]

Thought I stole Pena, was really going to take McCann or Soto at catcher very late but Posada (who I believe was #1 in runs and RBI for C's last year) in round 10 (b/c he plays DH a lot) was a move I thought I had to pull.

Overall it's a D+ draft; too many reaches, one boneheaded pick, but I'm okay with the squad now. (until that top 3 pick gets injured game 1 of the year again...)

Other squads
come same first two I would've done--I think even victor at 3rd round's a reach I thought beckett at four was too risky (see injury history) [then again I took bedard lol...] Pence was too early, Tejada's declining and he's in Houston's bad offense. Everything else is fine... A- (what an A? are you kidding?) well done overall.

wiff Pujols at 7 isn't THAT bad guys. Helton at 6, Pedroia at 7 was insanity. Lowell at 9. (how'd ngamer let Daisuke fall to 12 anyway?) other picks seem fine to me though except his staff would concern me as being pretty damn old
D+

packattack
catcher at 3, ortiz over fielder and howard--I can't justify that. lol at autopick taking Pierre at 9 looooooooooooool Josh Hamilton was a guy I thought I was going to select but I filled up on OF too fast.

C

boss a big F- for leaving because (and he did say this) he didn't have enough free time to play both fantasy golf and fantasy baseball. Yeah, wtf. Fantasy golf everybody's not even changing for rounds boss--heck in fantasy baseball I didn't even bother to note actual pitcher K rates. The draft even got moved just for him.

youse's autopick draft
ugh at Granderson/Rios/Hafner. Granderson can't really hit for AVG, hits a ton of solo HR's, and doesn't really get SB's... I don't get why he's a third despite loving the tigers O. (we don't have a triples category or that actually would've not been bad) [and bad RBI's]
although at autopick you're pretty much stuck with Andruw Jones lol.

Draft's a C for an autopick draft.

PDO's autopick draft
well he's going to win SB. Might as well just hand him those points. Too bad there's like no power and no RBI's to go with it.
B for an autopicker. The picks as a whole aren't bad.

Ngamer's pathetic draft I mean what can I say about this pile of crap? BJ upton at 3 is a major stretch. so is a closer with one great year at 5. I laughed at Markakis at 6. Verlander's probably a reach at 7
You can't rely on two guys to hit ALL of your HR's and ALL of your RBI's can you and win a league like this? Lidge lolz.

Okay the whole pathetic/crap stuff is a joke but this draft is just a .... C-

QB
okay I have to admit QB's a stud, taking about everyone I wanted to take at some point. Just Fantastic. (and I mean [****] you by that) but... offensively it seemed to me he was reaching a little with some of the early picks. Swisher at 12 is a bit optimistic. A few other picks I thought were wastes but they were at the end so nothing lost really.

A-

time for shep
shep doesn't care about baseball yet he actually knows stuff. I mean I had a brit and flash and an autopicker going between my picks. I should've gotten to be able to just clean up the place but NOOOOOOOO.
Still don't get the Brandon Phillips love but okay... With the lead in SV, and solid in many cats--this guy could easily contend for a title. Unthinkable predraft. (AVG seems bad and sheets is usually out by May but...)
A draft! Points for being a brit come through with the best draft grade that wheat will ever give out.

flash in the pan
Mccann at 4, Lackey at 6 (when exactly did this turn into autopicks?) Greene at 8, Hill at 9 made everyone bust out in laughter. A lot of the other picks are guys coming off bad years but not really drafted low. (escobar was a good pick--salty at 15 was terrible) the back end was all autopick and that showed. First three solid though.

I'm just giving the D- here and be done with it.

So in order of grade
shep
come
QB
PDO
pack
youse
ngamer
wheat
wiff
flash

ugh 8th for myself--I'll bet anyone (and everyone) I will finish higher than that though!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: redsrule2500 on March 18, 2008, 11:20:00 am

so, is there a secondary league for the non-elite elite among us? hehe

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: packattack on March 18, 2008, 12:37:00 pm

I don't think I'll ever be better than mediocre at drafting. I like my team a lot more than last year post draft and I finished 4th there so I think I can finish at least that high again, maybe better. I think you did better than a D+ Wheat but that is just my opinion.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: TheFlash on March 18, 2008, 06:11:00 pm

Quote from: wheatrich

flash in the pan

Mccann at 4, Lackey at 6 (when exactly did this turn into autopicks?) Greene at 8, Hill at 9 made everyone bust out in laughter. A lot of the other picks are
guys coming off bad years but not really drafted low. (escobar was a good pick--salty at 15 was terrible) the back end was all autopick and that showed. First
three solid though.
I'm just giving the D- here and be done with it.

Hah...yep. I was on Autopick for the first 3 picks and the last 8 or so...hehe. So basically the ones that were worst were all the ones I had to pick myself hah! This was my first time to do a draft live, I've never been able to make a draft time before this one. I basically picked whoever I had heard of before...should've done some research or something maybe, on like....draft technique or something.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wishiwasfamous on March 18, 2008, 07:26:00 pm

To my defense, my first 5 picks (until Torii) were autopicks.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on March 21, 2008, 01:26:00 am

Since we don't have a Baseball Betting thread and I'm not about to create one, I'll post up my season long props here. I bet all of them tonight except for the first 2, which I placed a couple weeks ago. In most cases, the player must play in at least 140 games for the wager to have action. That aside, so many of these are ridiculously easy winners.

Team wins

Seattle UNDER 84.5 wins - Risked $360 to win $300
Tampa Bay OVER 74 wins - Risked $250 to win $200

Batting Averages

Rick Ankiel UNDER .279 - Risked $349.62 to win $287.73 (placed via Shep)
B.J. Upton UNDER .295 - Risked $125 to win $100
Magglio Ordonez UNDER .322 - Risked $115 to win $100
Jorge Posada UNDER .283 - Risked $115 to win $100
Richie Sexson OVER .259 - Risked $115 to win $100
Edgar Renteria UNDER .307 - Risked $115 to win $100
Alex Gordon OVER .251 - Risked $115 to win $100
Jack Cust UNDER .255 - Risked $115 to win $100
Mike Lowell UNDER .300 - Risked $125 to win $100
Michael Young UNDER .317 - Risked $57.50 to win $50
Curtis Granderson UNDER .298 - Risked $115 to win $100 (NO ACTIONED DUE TO GRANDERSON STARTING THE SEASON ON THE DL)
Stephen Drew OVER .239 - Risked $150 to win $100

Other

Curtis Granderson UNDER 20 triples - Risked $115 to win $100 (NO ACTIONED because Granderson will start the season on the DL, FUCK)
Fausto Carmona OVER 3.18 ERA - Risked $230 to win $200 (placed via Shep)
Josh Hamilton OVER 24.5 HRs - Risked $150 to win $143.44 (placed via Shep)
Clay Buchholz to record more wins than Jon Lester - Risked $100 to win $200
Delmon Young OVER 15 HRs - Risked $60 to win $50
Top HR hitter in MLB - Field (includes all but 58 of the best hitters in MLB) - Risked $31.25 to win $500

Edit - added a few

Joe Blanton UNDER 15 wins - Risked $70 to win $50
David Wright UNDER 36.5 SBs - Risked $57.50 to win $50
Chipper Jones, most HRs in MLB - Risked $5 to win $500

one more,

Curtis Granderson UNDER .298 - Risked $115 to win $100 (NO ACTIONED because Granderson will start the season on the DL)

I need to figure out a way of depositing. If I had the money, I'd probably max close to half of the props Bodog has listed. Even a lot of the ones I've passed over have obvious value.

Edit - JJ Putz OVER 38.5 Strikeouts (lol!) - Risked $7.22 to win $5.78. New deposit can't get onsite fast enough! (NO ACTIONED DUE TO LINE ERROR)

New Edit - guess this is the last addition...still a bunch of things I want to bet but I won't be able to get a serious deposit in until after baseball season is in full swing. Also wanted to put a bit more on these longshots...

Josh Hamilton to win AL MVP - Risked $25 to win $2500
Oliver Perez to win NL Cy Young - Risked $25 to win $3750

should only win one of these next two, but that's fine

Ryan Braun to lead the Brewers in HRs - Risked $50 to win $93.75
Prince Fielder to lead the Brewers in RBIs - Risked $50 to win $87.50

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on March 21, 2008, 07:49:00 am

How'd did I miss that censored triples one... although I'm not sold he really won't go over and I really hate that delmon young bet--although are the twins still at that dome?
(actually took the under for young rbi's but I didn't do any $100 bets) and UGH at the unders now on cliff floyd that seemed too censored easy (must play 140 games) well that's a damn push (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ffrown.gif&hash=9bb8520656650a7c2457ae0ae2ee8996e4109fd6)

$25 on Crawford under 56 SB's
$5 on Pittsburgh to win NL central (at 40/1)
$10 on Cincy to win NL central (at 15/2)--would've taken more but Dusty Baker's going to cost them minimum 5 games
$25 on Markakis under 102 RBI's I'm struggling figuring out how the O's are going to score... probably should've bet the max there
Rich Harden under 23 1/2 starts How the hell I didn't bet more than $20 is beyond me

The bigger ones
Odds to win the 2008 AL East Division Title
(11080) Tampa Bay Devil Rays 70/1 Sat@11:01a
Risk US$ 20.00 to win US$ 1400.00

Odds to win the 2008 World Series Championship
(11027) Tampa Bay Devil Rays 150/1 Sat@11:00a
Risk US$ 20.00 to win US$ 3000.00

Needless to say I'm a big Rays fan this season! (of course if they win I might jump off a bridge just because of how much I could've won with bigger bets!)

And a $300 to win $150 that the Yanks won't win the WS. (that I hope I don't have to hedge later!)

maybe I'll get a few more in here...

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Boss on March 22, 2008, 07:52:00 pm

Time to explain: the underlying reason I bailed out was that I actually go to church on Sunday morning. I wouldn't have accepted doing an auto-draft and having a crappy team. I didn't really want to badger Come to move the time again because it was rude to do it once. And if I'm to move on in life soon, at least I have a better chance of it happening without having to be addicted to fantasy baseball on top of fantasy golf, which btw doesn't take up that much time. I'm still content with my decision, but I didn't do it in the best of fashions with so little warning.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: TheFlash on March 22, 2008, 07:59:00 pm

Boss, I went to church AND sunday school and only missed the first 2 rounds of the draft...I'm pretty sure you could have made it on time, since we're in the same time zone and all. I'll give you my team if you want it?

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Boss on March 22, 2008, 08:10:00 pm

The game is a drug, addicting as anything ever made. I gotta stay away from it. It's bad enough I let GE be that or whatever.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wishiwasfamous on March 23, 2008, 01:53:00 pm

I was in the same boat regarding church and drafting. I just didn't set my status to away so I could auto pick the fewest number of players possible! I left during the Homily to enter the draft room, and made it back as he finishing (~20 minutes). Heh.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: .. on March 29, 2008, 12:34:00 am

I wish Yahoo would add some of these players that haven't played in the majors yet. Have a few on my list that I wouldn't mind picking up!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on March 30, 2008, 07:18:00 am

come again trying to pick up men out of his league

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on March 30, 2008, 09:00:00 am

Ahahahaha!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wishiwasfamous on March 30, 2008, 11:26:00 am

~Q~

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on March 31, 2008, 04:04:00 am

Good gosh, that was well played.

Speaking of which, time to get my first bet on record!

Ngamer's MLB Bet #1
The Brewers will win the NL Central Division title in 2008.
* risking $5 to win $11.25

MLB betting YTD: $0

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on April 04, 2008, 04:17:00 am

On a somewhat related note, Jenny and some friends drove down to Chicago and got bleacher seats for the 2nd game of the Cubs/Brewers opening series. In the 7th inning, Geovany Soto hit a home run into the first row, and her friend who she was sitting right next to caught it! Jenny was wearing a white Brewers cap and blue Milwaukee shirt with the old school logo:

(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv625%2FNgamer%2Fjennyhomer.jpg&hash=9aaf0e423e2085114b1ed6e6f084203910ed2fe4) (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv625%2FNgamer%2Fjennyhomer2.jpg&hash=56994e29a04f92ecfbbeb3e95a0f641be5cb642e)

And I'm such a nice brother that I made the vid for her. http://youtube.com/watch?v=EVTCTGpCtow (http://youtube.com/watch?v=EVTCTGpCtow)

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: .. on April 04, 2008, 08:18:00 am

COME as u r337 (07:50:00): FUCK YOU SO MUCH
COME as u r337 (07:50:04): ARRRGH
COME as u r337 (07:50:13): if yahoo wouldve added cueto at all
CieloAzor (07:50:17): just went through now?
COME as u r337 (07:50:18): before yesterday
COME as u r337 (07:50:20): i'd have had him
COME as u r337 (07:50:23): i wanted to draft him
COME as u r337 (07:50:37): and by the time they added him, my other waiver went through
CieloAzor (07:50:39): oh my, I only added the claim like 10 minutes ago
COME as u r337 (07:50:40): so i lost priority
COME as u r337 (07:50:42): yeah
COME as u r337 (07:50:46): i had first priority
CieloAzor (07:50:47): and then I retracted it, and then I put it back on
COME as u r337 (07:50:49): but then bumped to last
COME as u r337 (07:50:51): ffs
COME as u r337 (07:50:56): i wanted to draft him
COME as u r337 (07:51:00): and ramirez
COME as u r337 (07:51:03): but they didnt have either added
COME as u r337 (07:51:16): ramirez until 2 days ago, cueto until yesterday (after he'd have started)
CieloAzor (07:51:17): you can trade for him if you're not too irate :-D
CieloAzor (07:51:32): I knew 100% that you wanted him
COME as u r337 (07:51:33): what do you want?

And so was born the first trade of the Fantasy year.

Come trades Lastings Milledge and Jonathan Papelbon to QB for Paul Konerko and Johnny Cueto

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on April 04, 2008, 11:51:00 am

What the heck was Jenny doing in Chicago?

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Boss on April 04, 2008, 06:46:00 pm

Who's Cueto?

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wishiwasfamous on April 05, 2008, 03:06:00 am

who?

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on April 05, 2008, 03:19:00 am

(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv625%2FNgamer%2Fcueto.jpg&hash=1d900b36ec2eb190389938534056aeee98c29b3f)

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on May 01, 2008, 03:10:00 pm

May 1 standings update
Daytona Sidewinders 80
wheat thins 75.5
packattack 68
team angle 61
sillies 59.5
kingers kings 46.5
Ng's supercrew 44
wiff's roid ragers 43
come 38.5
isthereagreat team 34

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on May 01, 2008, 11:09:00 pm

Has anyone aside from QB purchased StatTracker yet?

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: TheFlash on May 21, 2008, 09:58:00 pm

So...Picking A-Rod and Peavy has really worked out GREAT for me so far....

As soon as A-Rod went down I went from top 2 to LAST...lol

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on May 23, 2008, 02:44:00 am

I just wish I had the sports betting bankroll to have fired off the max bet on the rays cause there's no way that wasn't my biggest +EV bet heading into the season (darn these high variance things called seasons)

arod had nothing to do with your teams demise flash (d.lee stopped his mad streak; and you have at least 3 guys starting on your roster who I'm pretty sure shouldn't even be played in a 20 team league--you are also the alecboy of the league since I think you've adjusted your team once this season [which of course is once more than alecboy])

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: TheFlash on May 24, 2008, 02:09:00 am

Quote from: wheatrich

I think you've adjusted your team once this season [which of course is once more than alecboy])

Took care of that....

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on June 27, 2008, 02:22:00 am

I haven't really had an in depth look yet at how my season-long bets are playing out, but now that about half the season is in the books, I think I should have a look!

Team wins

Seattle UNDER 84.5 wins - Risked $360 to win $300 - Current record: 28-50! Easy win. Better luck next year, Seattle! +$300
Tampa Bay OVER 74 wins - Risked $250 to win $200 - Current record: 47-31! Another blowout win! +$200

Batting Averages

Rick Ankiel UNDER .279 - Risked $349.62 to win $287.73 (placed via Shep) - Current BA: .255, So far so good, but he'll have to stay healthy in the 2nd half to make the 140 game minimum, otherwise the bet is off
B.J. Upton UNDER .295 - Risked $125 to win $100 - Current BA: .283, higher than I expected, to be honest, but this bet looks good
Magglio Ordonez UNDER .322 - Risked $115 to win $100 - Current BA: .306, I'm not out of the woods, but firmly in the lead
Jorge Posada UNDER .283 - Risked $115 to win $100 - This will be no actioned as he can no longer play 140 games this season. Good thing because he's going OVER so far, to the tune of a .306 average
Richie Sexson OVER .259 - Risked $115 to win $100 - Current BA: .218, back to back terrible years for Sexson, but he's unlikely to hurt me here. He's not on pace to make the 140 game limit, and there's a good chance he gets benched or cut very soon
Edgar Renteria UNDER .307 - Risked $115 to win $100 - Current BA: .265, looks like an easy win, (though he's cutting it close with games played)
Alex Gordon OVER .251 - Risked $115 to win $100 - Current BA: .262, this is surprisingly bad, but it's still good enough
Jack Cust UNDER .255 - Risked $115 to win $100 - Current BA: .241, his OBP+SLG is so good, they can't bench him. Keep swinging for the fences, Cust!
Mike Lowell UNDER .300 - Risked $125 to win $100 - Current BA: .287, but he missed 3 weeks early in the season. He can make the 140 games if he doesn't get hurt again, but it will be very tough. Probably no action in the end.
Michael Young UNDER .317 - Risked $57.50 to win $50 - Current BA: .274, not even close, Mikey.
Curtis Granderson UNDER .298 - Risked $115 to win $100 - This was no actioned as soon as Granderson started the season on the DL, but anyway, he's at .282
Stephen Drew OVER .239 - Risked $150 to win $100 - Current BA: .255, this will do, but I have no idea if his every-day job is in danger. Please hit better, k?

Other

Curtis Granderson UNDER 20 triples - Risked $115 to win $100 - I was pissed when Granderson got hurt. 2 triples so far, would have been easy money.
Fausto Carmona OVER 3.18 ERA - Risked $230 to win $200 (placed via Shep) - He's at 3.10 so far, so it's very much up in the air. With his current hip injury, his ability to make the 25 requisite starts is also up in the air. He has 10 so far and comes back shortly.
Josh Hamilton OVER 24.5 HRs - Risked $150 to win $143.44 (placed via Shep) - Current HRs: 19, leads the AL by 2 HRs, easy
Clay Buchholz to record more wins than Jon Lester - Risked $100 to win $200 - I was happy to get the better pitcher here, AND 2-1 odds, but Clay was inexplicably sent back down and has little chance to match Lester now. My best hope may be that Lester is traded before the deadline, resulting in a no action. Should be -$100
Delmon Young OVER 15 HRs - Risked $60 to win $50 - Current HRs: 1, Whoops! I'm for sure losing this one. -$60
Top HR hitter in MLB - Field (includes all but 58 of the best hitters in MLB) - Risked $31.25 to win $500 - Uh, I should have screencapped the list that I was betting against. I know I had Miguel Cabrera on my side, but his 11 HRs don't seem to be a factor now. The top 2 HR guys right now are Uggla and Utley with 23 and 22 respectively. There's a decent chance I have Uggla, and I know for a fact I have Utley. I think I was right about how great this bet is, and probably should have taken more of it. That said, I don't expect Uggla and Utley to hang onto the HR lead.

Joe Blanton UNDER 15 wins - Risked $70 to win $50 - Current wins: 4, in 17 starts, he's gone 4-10. Looks like a surefire winner. +$50
David Wright UNDER 36.5 SBs - Risked $57.50 to win $50 - Current SBs: 8, this doesn't figure to be close. +$50
Chipper Jones, most HRs in MLB - Risked $5 to win $500 - He's having a great year, and he's in the hunt with 16, but he's still a longshot. I might lose a Lincoln!

Josh Hamilton to win AL MVP - Risked $25 to win $2500 - Wow am I loving this right now. Hamilton is batting .310, he leads the AL with 19 HRs, and his 76 RBIs put him well ahead of 2nd place, Morneau with 62. It's by no means a lock at this stage, but I'm extremely pleased with my situation.
Oliver Perez to win NL Cy Young - Risked $25 to win $3750 - Eh, you can't win 'em all! -$25

should only win one of these next two, but that's fine

Ryan Braun to lead the Brewers in HRs - Risked $50 to win $93.75 - Braun leads Fielder 20-16
Prince Fielder to lead the Brewers in RBIs - Risked $50 to win $87.50 - Braun leads here also, with Hart in a somewhat distant 2nd, and Fielder just behind him in 3rd

Looks like a fine season, if I do say so myself!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: rshepherd1000 on June 27, 2008, 05:44:00 am

Since Im on most of this also I am highly pleased by this recap

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on June 27, 2008, 11:45:00 pm

I just knew I'd kick myself when I made the TB bet to bet more. (although it's likely I'd have to arb it on bos later but still (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ffrown.gif&hash=9bb8520656650a7c2457ae0ae2ee8996e4109fd6) )

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: packattack on June 28, 2008, 12:46:00 pm

Round 18
1.	Josh Hamilton	packattack
2.	Troy Percival	Come
3.	Josh Fields	Sillies
4.	Dontrelle Willis	wiff's 'roid...
5.	Hideki Okajima	Ng's SuperCrew
6.	Jeremy Bonderman	Daytona Side...
7.	Derek Lowe	wheat thins

1.	packattack (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/3)	84	2	6	49
2.	Daytona Sidewinders (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/4)	77.5	-0.5	10	78
3.	Sillies (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/10)	65	4.5	7	36
4.	wheat thins (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/7)	56.5	-2.5	8	66
5.	Ng's SuperCrew (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/6)	51	2	4	10
6.	Team Angle (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/2)	47.5	1	2	13
7.	IsThereAGreatTeam (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/8)	45.5	-1	3	17
8.	wiff's 'roid 'ragers (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/5)	44	0	1	49
9.	Come (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/1)	40.5	-3.5	9	21
10.	Kingers Kings (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/9)	38.5	-2	5	2

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on July 14, 2008, 08:21:00 pm

I'll leave the HR Derby nonsense out of this, I guess, but I did add another futures bet.

Oakland to win the AL West - Risked $50 to win $600

Baseball Prospectus has 3 sets of playoff projections. Two of them give Oakland about a 1/3 chance of winning the division. The other gives only a 11.5% chance, but even that would have value at 12/1.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on July 15, 2008, 12:33:00 am

I stopped paying any attention to baseball prospectus projections when I saw them have the twins only .5 GB behind the white sox as only 11% to win the div. That was ridic bad.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Boss on July 15, 2008, 12:56:00 am

Yeah that's bad. The Twins have a very reasonable chance to win the division. Worst case scenario, it is 33%.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: youseinthehouse on July 15, 2008, 02:56:00 pm

11% might be a little low, but I wouldn't put it past 20%. What's not surprising is that those who think that number is much too low (Wheat and Boss) both have their reasons. Wheat probably hates/is jealous of all things CHW, and Boss is obv from 'Sota. The Twins are playing way over their head these last couple of months (talking about pitching mostly). You're forgetting about the Tigers, too.

What's up with the Phillies AND Mets both at even money for the NL East?

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on July 15, 2008, 04:48:00 pm

It's called mathematics. You might want to try learning them sometime. (it's pretty astonishing how we don't like each other given we pretty much have the same interests)

the twins are now at 17% 1.5 GB

Mets are actually a little ahead of the Phillies according to those projections (48% to 40%). [if you're a PECOTA fan it's 55-37% (for div) mets!]

ELO has the twins at 39% a lot higher than the other two projections (and closer to the true value imo) Phils 47 Mets 40 on that one if you're keeping score. (I've always thought their ELO projection was the best one and I still do now)

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Boss on July 16, 2008, 01:57:00 am

Have you forgotten how many division titles the Twins have won over the last 6 years? Maybe 33% is a bit high, but they are definitely in the race (Detroit is definitely in it too). The only starter I don't like for our pitching is Hernandez. Liriano is still in AAA and could be of use in the last month of the season. We still got 7 home games vs the White Sox while we already did all the road games there. We also got 9 games vs Seattle and some Cleveland games yet. We do have some more road games vs home games the rest of the way, which is probably part of the reason why that site doesn't think too highly of us. We also have to deal with most of the AL East on the road yet.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: youseinthehouse on July 16, 2008, 02:34:00 am

You're right, I don't know a thing about mathematics. I might as well tear my degree in the subject in two. What on earth are you on about? I put it at 20% and now some "official" mathematic-y thing is 17... pretty damn close if you ask me.

Also, what makes you think I dislike you? And why do you dislike me? I just enjoy competitive banter, and you're one of the top guys to engage with on the subject.

The Twins have won so many divisions lately because Santana is (moreso) a second half stalwart, seemingly gettings stronger in August and September. Hey, if somebody steps up and becomes that guy, it's possible. I'm just not seeing that happen. Liriano is more of a liability than an asset at this point. I don't see him returning to 2k6 form after an injury like that the same season.

Anyway, I have a fun bet with a friend going on (we're not any kind of high rollers). $10 on Rays winning division, $5 on them getting at least 2nd place. So if Rays win AL East I get 15, Rays 2nd place I lose 5, and Rays 3rd I lose 15. The way it played out was we made the $10 on division win when Rays were up 4 or 5 games a week or two ago. Once Boston re-took the lead recently my friend got cocky and said even the Yanks would top the Rays, tacking on the extra 5 (enabling me to halfway stabilize myself). Anyway, no real thought was put into the bets, just a couple of guys who played a few games of beer pong and engaged in some Rays love/hate trashtalk turned gambling. Still, will be very fun to follow.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on July 16, 2008, 05:11:00 am

I hated it later when I realized what I had said (wasn't around to edit it out) but I just don't like you at all. The way you post everything especially toward myself I just really dislike. Weird though considering we have similar interests. You just manage to bring out bad things out of me on the forum.

I don't think an ace has much to do with a team over the entire season considering a lot of games the "ace" pitches you could've thrown a scrub out there and gotten the exact same result. I'd estimate a 2-3 win difference at best for Mil for the rest of the season with Sabathia vs whoever which makes their trade of a very top prospect a really dumb one. (of course unless they win the WS but that's not that big of an improvement with Sabathia vs whoever to warrant it and that's even if they get in--hell Colorado almost did it last season)

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: youseinthehouse on July 16, 2008, 06:35:00 am

What in the world? I had no idea. I guess I do bring out the bad in you, as you're the only one resorting to insults in this topic. What was it I said? Was it not a correct assumption that as a Cubs fan you hated the W. Sox? I'm only saying that because of A) the media always going on about it and B) personally knowing many South Siders (and dating one) who've related to me stories that verify the perception. Nothing to do with you, personally. Lighten up, duuuuude.

That said, I must continue the argument.

Saying that an ace doesn't have much to do with the success of a team over the course of a season is the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard. And to address your example, are you saying that neither the NL Central nor the NL Wild Card will be decided by less than "2-3" wins? Hell, from personal Phillies-rooting experience, I know that we were 1GB from Wild Card '05, 2GB Division '05, 3 GB Wild Card '06. 1 Game Ahead NL East '07. Although I agree in Sabathia's instance that it was a bad move by the Brewers, you don't need to grasp at straws just for the sake of disagreeing with me.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on July 23, 2008, 11:12:00 pm

Somehow, Youse not realizing it existed only makes this five year wheat/Youse rivalry all the more intense.

Meanwhile,

C.C. Sabathia, Brewer
4-0
1.52 ERA
.818 WHIP
30 SOs
8 BBs
3 Complete Games

How's that "2-3 extra wins" prediction looking, wheat?

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on July 24, 2008, 12:06:00 am

Ngamer how many of those games would've also been won by another Brewer SP (or say the guy he replaced)? I don't recall the scores there but I'd be shocked if it was more than 1 of those four games. I'm still completely sure that my analysis was correct--Sabathia would basically have to keep up this pace for me to be wrong and that would be insanity that nobody could have predicted. btw how many extra wins would Cleveland have had in April if they DIDN'T start him? lol

My memory could be wrong here but it's always seemed to me like everytime I've seen anyone disagree with youse he's always said it's because of some bias. Being called biased is a really big insult in my book just because I'm one of the seemingly few these days who tries hard not to be. It pisses me off even more then if you had just done a regular insult. At the very least it seems like your point is just oh don't listen to anything he has to say he's biased and that thought carries over into any argument I'd have. and I for one expect a lot better than that from you and others here)

I'm not saying 2 GB might not be the difference for this season as obviously it could (as even the worst and best teams are pretty close to having 77 vs AK 162 times or so) I said it's a ridic trade--the Brewers won't sign Sabathia long term and LaPorta is worth way more wins in the future especially over whoever the third OF is then.

Sabathia also isn't pitching the full season it's less than half a season. Half a season Sabathia will get X starts vs whoever the 5th guy was (if he was pitching same day/conditions/whatever) X Starts if you put the two together I just don't see how it could possibly be more than 2-3 wins on a statistical measurement.

Making an assumption that I'm just like every North Sider is just disgusting. Making assumptions is not something people I consider intelligent EVER do.

"A) the media always going on about it"

Well it's a good thing I let the media tell me what I should think then. That's just an insane statement.

B) personally knowing many South Siders (and dating one) who've related to me stories that verify the perception

I can't believe you didn't even at least consider that just maybe I'm not the typical north sider.

I really don't like your "oh I didn't call you names" but then indirectly seem to imply things like it several times. It reminds me of a lot of bad people I've met and really really don't like.

Stuff like this is why I've never and probably will never warm up to youse even though everyone else loves you and always will. (ngamer told me to stop hating you because you're such an awesome guy I'll give it a shot sometime but I'm not making any promises)

*the following isn't serious but that comment was just silly*

Though the fact you're dating a south sider I suppose I should use the assumption that all of them are retarded because anyone dating one has to be. The media just goes on and on about it and personally knowing many North and South siders who've related to me stories that verify the perception.

Ugh part of me didn't want to make that post because it's stupid to have a one vs one going at it in a forum like this but I felt like I have to defend/explain myself.

edit--if I didn't apologize for that earlier remark I meant to as it wasn't called for. So I apologize for the uncalled for earlier remark to you youse.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on July 24, 2008, 12:55:00 am

I suppose the silliest* part in all this is that if we met offline there's probably a pretty good chance we'd get along pretty well. Most likely you didn't intend any of what you said that I gathered from it and wouldn't say it that way offline thus not pissing me off. Life is full of ridiculous stuff like that sometimes..

*an unintended pun since youse's team is the sillies*

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: packattack on July 24, 2008, 01:34:00 pm

Another factor that can't really be overlooked in the Sabathia trade is how he might impact the whole team and factors like morale, etc. The brewers are a team that is usually pretty streaky. To have someone like Sabathia every 5 days helps eliminate a lot of those long losing streaks that they might otherwise have had that can destroy a teams morale and send the team spiraling downward. I've seen it happen last year with the brewers. Personally, I think the trade is worth it for Milwaukee. Their minor league farm system is strong and for them to make a move like this increases their chances of winning it this year. We all know that anything can happen in the playoffs, so as long as you get yourself there, you've got a shot to win it all. As a life long Brewer fan, I can't be upset about trading a prospect for a guy that might give you the once in a life time shot at a world series championship. I know its still a long shot that they even win the division, but for someone who has lived basically their whole life without seeing them sniff the playoffs, this is an exciting time to be a brewer fan. This isn't something that is going to hurt them long term either. They lose one solid minor league player and get draft picks to retool their farm anyway if they don't resign Sabathia. Their entire core will still be in tact in the future. Basing this off of my thoughts of the brewers current rotation after sheets and para, I think CC will easily give them 5-10 extra wins this year if he stays healthy and those extra wins will most likely be the difference between making the playoffs and not making them.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on July 26, 2008, 01:11:00 am

5-10 extra wins with only 15 starts is incredibly hard to believe but I can't really convince my point any further without doing some crazy Bill James like 100 page post statistical analysis and that's just too much work for that so I'll put in a ...

standings update

pack 82
QB 77
Youse 67
NG 55.5
Shep 55.5
wheat 53
wiff 43
PDO 42
flash/brick/thingy 40.5
come 34.5

Race is all but between pack and QB for the win here but I believe pack will come out on top this season but there's still 2 months to go!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on July 26, 2008, 06:42:00 am

lol, I've probably been winning 95% of the season but standings only get posted when I fall into 2nd.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: packattack on July 26, 2008, 06:10:00 pm

The 5-10 wins is just my guess Wheat. It could be right or wrong. I wasn't trying to argue about it at all and I respect your opinion about it as well.
I don't think I'll be winning the fantasy baseball unless my pitchers start getting wins. Wheat, tell the Cubs to start scoring runs for rich harden for me and tell them when they do score 7 runs, don't let Marmol pitch the 9th.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: youseinthehouse on July 26, 2008, 09:38:00 pm

Well, wheat, I accept your apology, first of all.

I think you're missing the point. Sports arguments ARE about bias. It's not a bad thing to have bias. I'll be the first to admit there is bias behind some of the arguments I make from time to time... and really, I don't see it so much as bias as it is just the fact that there are two sides to the same coin SO often in sports debates. So let's put it this way, I wasn't really saying your argument was wrong because you don't like CHW, I was just explaining *PERHAPS* why you picked that particular stance. I personally could care less about the AL central, I'm just not sipping the Twins' kool aid is all, noticing the fatal holes in their team despite their impressive and commendable run thus far.

"It pisses me off even more then if you had just done a regular insult."

I'd appreciate it if you tried a little less touchy during our sports arguments, and in turn I'll try to stop making blanket statements about you. I'm saying this because in no way was I intending to insult you. Perhaps you're reading into things after apparently years of being my "rival", but this is ridiculous. I haven't meant anything I've ever said here to cause personal insult to you or anyone. Just know that.

I wasn't really lumping every single possible North Sider into the anti-Sox camp-- and I certainly didn't mean that the media controls your opinions. There's no need to put words in my mouth; I was merely relating how prevalent the gang-mentality is. If I was wrong about how you feel about the "other" team, you could have just said so, and then my original point holds no water. Instead it blew up into something like this! I don't understand how I implied name calling, maybe you could flesh that out or just drop it altogether, knowing that I honestly didn't mean anything personally. Again, to me, bias is an integral part of sports fandom, not an insulting tenant. QB and I both had the Iggs winning last year's superbowl preseason, I'm pretty sure.

Even still, you haven't verified your position. Were you happy in 2005? Upset? Or what?

Anyway, I'm pretty happy with my team's positioning within the league, given how my draft hopefuls have produced for me (or lack thereof). I feel like I've been a pretty decent hawk on the waiver wire, figuring QB and wheat et al. would own me. Somehow, I've certainly held my own. I got pretty lucky on grabbing Quentin and Lowell from there (who's been on a sick clip since his early season return from injury), not to mention what a godsend Torres has been. I regret dropping Felix (not so much for his so-so overall statistics, but for the way he's pitched SINCE my releasing him), but fortunately for me, wheat ended up quitting on Roy before his surge as well. I guess all's well that ends well, as I'm sure we both would've made the straight up trade given that we dropped the players in the first place.

I'd be in much better standing (although still not in contention for top 2 obv.) if Rafael Furcal hadn't bit the big one for the year. I did NOT believe it was possible to hate Derek Jeter more than I did before the season, but somehow having landed him on my team during his most pathetic season yet, it happened. I look forward to the pack/QB battle down the stretch, both of those bastards have been *cough* extremely *cough* lucky with certain players exceeding even the most optimistic expectations.

GO Hamilton for MVP earning QB the big bucks, though!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on July 27, 2008, 03:37:00 am

My position on the White Sox is that I don't care about them at all. Only annoying thing is being around them gloating. I quit on Roy same as you bad stats then. Like you I didn't see the reversal coming and would've gladly traded him for Felix. So I'm happy with that trade. (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fwink.gif&hash=4979046fbfc7ed25a03644bf608e503c4aa73f0f)

The whole motivation factor works both ways. The day before the team would say "oh we've got the ace pitching tomorrow" and not care about trying to come back but really if you're not 100% motivated playing for million dollar contracts and the game of freaking baseball then there's something really wrong anyway and an ace can't help you.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: youseinthehouse on July 28, 2008, 04:03:00 am

Yeah, I typically don't buy motivation arguments until a team goes on a ridiculous-style Houston Rockets type of run (or Rockies last year or Oakland A's a few years back). Then I can see a little extra effort being given, because making history transcends daily play-for-pay. This also applies to say, playing defense in the eighth inning of a potential no-hit game versus playing defense on the same hit balls in the eighth inning of a 5-1 game or something. But for the most part, if these incredibly lucky dudes who play in a league where the team earnings of EVERY GAME could feed an entire third world country for a year had better bring their A game day after day. I never bought that shit when Jim Leyland got really angry in front of a few microphones and everyone said it spurred the team into its great success. He just happened to say it at the right time before one of those baseball luck swings imo (they were due with that lineup).

What I do buy is the fan confidence after big moves like that. I'd feel a LOT better as a fan with Sabathia than with some number 5 joe shmoe. I'm speaking this as a Phillies fan who so desperately needs that #2 guy behind Cole Hamels. As great as Jamie Moyer is (and who doesn't love him), Sabathia on the squad would put all my playoff doubt (ever-increasing this year) to bed. I still feel the Brewers shouldn't have moved "all in", at least not this season. But if the move galvanizes the fan base AND ends up getting the Brew deep in the playoffs this year, it will be undoubtedly worth it-- even without a WS crown. You've at least bought your team a ton of adoration it wouldn't normally receive for the next 5 years, minimum. I mean look at the very Detroit team I just mentioned, their epic turnaround. You can't always live in the "2-3 years down the road, we'll be awesome" world that the Brewers among other teams are perpetually finding themselves in.

What was your problem with McLouth, wheat? I was kind of perplexed both by the drop and the fact that he cleared waivers so I could just add him for free. Anyone else in the league can chime in as to why they passed. He's been more or less raking for me, and swiping bags left & right.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on August 08, 2008, 11:07:00 pm

C.C. Sabathia, Brewer
7 starts
6-0
1.57 ERA
.913 WHIP
52 SOs
12 BBs
4 Complete Games

How's that "2-3 extra wins" prediction looking, wheat?

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: packattack on August 12, 2008, 02:01:00 pm

1.	Daytona Sidewinders (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/4)	77.5	-1	5	119
2.	packattack (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/3)	77	-1	3	61
3.	Sillies (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/10)	63	-0.5	4	47
4.	Ng's SuperCrew (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/6)	56	0	9	11
4.	Team Angle (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/2)	56	1.5	1	14
6.	wheat thins (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/7)	50	1	7	110
7.	Kingers Kings (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/9)	47	1.5	2	2
8.	wiff's 'roid 'ragers (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/5)	45	-2	6	60
9.	IsThereAGreatTeam (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/8)	39.5	-1.5	8	29
10.	Come (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/1)	39	2	10	28

My guess at this point is that QB will take the win at seasons end. My team simply isn't producing any wins and that will be my downfall. It is the one category that I've struggled with all year and can't seem to turn around.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on August 12, 2008, 08:30:00 pm

I'll bet anyone almost any amount I finish this season ahead of ngamer (no waiver cheating now). Though that would be one bet that may not get paid off because I might kill myself if that ever happened in fantasy baseball.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: youseinthehouse on August 13, 2008, 01:43:00 am

Geez Ngamer, you're minus freaking 29 on Outfield games played for the year. What on earth are you doing? (I was looking over your team for this bet against wheat)... You'd be well ahead of him (and probably me), if you had your games played situation in order.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on August 29, 2008, 03:45:00 am

Important Announcement:

I'm come to the realization that if I'm not able to stay ahead of wheat this season and force him to kill himself, I just might be the one to die... of embarrassment! Some would say that I'm safe with my current 11 point lead, but I can't afford to take any chances. That's why I'm going to go with Youse's advice and take a closer look at my most troubling situation: the outfield.

I've booked a flight out of Milwaukee for later this morning, and will be touching down at LaGuardia in the early afternoon, giving me plenty of time to attend tonight's 6pm game. Johnny Damon and Xavier Nady will be leading New York against BJ Ryan and the Toronto Blue Jays; I'll be in the beachers in order to scout my players as closely as possible.

Should be a fun time- there will only be 3 more homestands in Yankee Stadium after this, and I'm also going to take a full stadium tour so I'll be able to take it all in.

I'll be back with pictures on Monday night!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: youseinthehouse on September 01, 2008, 01:10:00 am

That's awesome. I can't wait to see the pictures.

AL MVP is still wide out in the open... I think. Anyway, if the White Sox make the playoffs, I'm afraid QB won't get rich (as) quick (as otherwise believed) due to Quentin.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on September 01, 2008, 03:15:00 am

I just need Pujols to play 18 more games and TB to win the WS and I'll want to throw myself off a bridge for not betting what I knew I should've on TB in the first place. Unluckily for the-elite there are no bridges in my area.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on September 28, 2008, 10:49:00 am

I've got a few hours to kill before NFL games start, and I'm too impatient to wait another day, so here are the results of my preseason bets! Keep in mind that a player was required to either play in 140 games or make 25 starts for the bet to have action. If a player doesn't meet the requirements OR if they started the season on the DL, the bet was called off and I was refunded for my original wager. I'll pull out all the bets that were no actioned and deal with them separately. I have no idea if there are bets still to be decided, but if so, now would be a great time to find out.

Team wins

Seattle UNDER 84.5 wins - Risked $360 to win $300 - lol, 60-101, WIN +$300
Tampa Bay OVER 74 wins - Risked $250 to win $200 - whee, 96-65, WIN +$200

Batting Averages

B.J. Upton UNDER .295 - Risked $125 to win $100 - .274, nice try noob, WIN +$100
Magglio Ordonez UNDER .322 - Risked $115 to win $100 - oh my, this one is pending as he's batting .317 and has 2 games left...he needs to go something like 5 for 7, or 6 for 8, so I've got a good amount of equity here but I won't count it up yet. I'm impressed he came so close! - STATUS PENDING
Jack Cust UNDER .255 - Risked $115 to win $100 - .232 and he kept his job; way to be, Cust! - WIN +$100
Michael Young UNDER .317 - Risked $57.50 to win $50 - .285, not even close - WIN +$50
Stephen Drew OVER .239 - Risked $150 to win $100 - he hit .293! awesome line, Bodog, you really had him pegged - WIN +$100

Other

Josh Hamilton OVER 24.5 HRs - Risked $143.44 to win $95.63(placed via Shep) - he's at 32 dingers - WIN +$95.63
Clay Buchholz to record more wins than Jon Lester - Risked $100 to win $200 - Whoops, first loss here. Lester had a breakout year and Buchholz was sent to the minors for more seasoning resulting in a 16-2 margin - LOSS -$100
Delmon Young OVER 15 HRs - Risked $60 to win $50 - Uh, the power still hasn't arrived I guess...he came on late, but I think it took him like half the season to get to 2 HRs...he has 10 now with 2 games left so this is a - LOSS -$60
Top HR hitter in MLB - Field (includes all but 58 of the best hitters in MLB) - Risked $31.25 to win $500 - lol, I had several horses near the front of the pack until Ryan Howard started hitting 4 HRs per game or whatever. I still like these odds though! - LOSS -$31.25
Joe Blanton UNDER 15 wins - Risked $70 to win $50 - 33 starts, but only 9 wins...his 4-0 stint in Philly wasn't enough to overcome his 4-12 start in Oakland - WIN +$50
David Wright UNDER 36.5 SBs - Risked $57.50 to win $50 - only 15 base swipes...I thought about betting on other anti-David Wright lines, and I think any bet against him probably would have won - WIN +$50

Ryan Braun to lead the Brewers in HRs - Risked $50 to win $93.75 - oh man, both this race and the next have tightened up considerably - Braun leads Fielder 36-34...I should probably count this as a win, but I'll wait
Prince Fielder to lead the Brewers in RBIs - Risked $50 to win $87.50 - I was only planning on winning one of these two bets, but I have an outside shot at picking up both. Fielder trails in RBIs, 104-102

Chipper Jones, most HRs in MLB - Risked $5 to win $500 - eh, he led the league in AVG, but his power died in the 2nd half...he finished with 22 HRs...not sure this flier was worth it - LOSS -$5

Josh Hamilton to win AL MVP - Risked $25 to win $2500 - This flier was definitely worth it. 2/3 of the way through the season, he was a runaway favorite...unfortunately, the Hamilton MVP talk has been silenced since that time...STILL, he looks to finish with the AL lead in RBIs, with 130. He's also tied for 4th in the AL in hits with 190, 8th in the AL with 32 HRs, with an average of .306 and an OPS of .905..pure stud - not announced yet, but the media seems to have determined this to be a - LOSS -$25

Oliver Perez to win NL Cy Young - Risked $25 to win $3750 - eh, I love his raw talent so I'm not sure this was a bad bet - I was getting 150/1 and there are only 80 starting pitchers in the NL on opening day, 70 of which start for teams worse than the Mets, and many of whom are no hopers who aren't even expected to stay in their rotations. Very few had the opportunity to put up as many wins or Ks as Perez. Ollie kept his K-rate high but his walk rate drifted back up, resulting in a subpar year. - LOSS -$25

No Actioned

Rick Ankiel UNDER .279 - Risked $349.62 to win $287.73 (placed via Shep) - he went .264 over 120 games, boooooo
Jorge Posada UNDER .283 - Risked $115 to win $100 - he hit .268 but only played 51 games due to injury
Richie Sexson OVER .259 - Risked $115 to win $100 - played 96 games, hitting a brutal .221, so I got lucky here...but when you bet on a guy performing over .259, there's a good chance he won't hold his job if he doesn't manage it! neither team he played for this season wanted to stick out the tough times
Edgar Renteria UNDER .307 - Risked $115 to win $100 - FFS, he's batting .269 but only has played 137 games...and I'm just finding this out now
Alex Gordon OVER .251 - Risked $115 to win $100 - FFS again, batting .261 with 133 games played...maybe if he had played better, he would've gotten more games in
Mike Lowell UNDER .300 - Risked $125 to win $100 - At least I knew this one was being no actioned...he went for .274 in 113 games
Curtis Granderson UNDER .298 - Risked $115 to win $100 - FFS Bodog, this one and the next got cancelled when the season started because Granderson hurt himself in spring training, but he DID get to 140 games...doesn't help me any now - he hit .283, a good year for him
Curtis Granderson UNDER 20 triples - Risked $115 to win $100 - Obviously didn't get to 20 - he had 13, a very solid year and nobody should've expected more
Fausto Carmona OVER 3.18 ERA - Risked $230 to win $200 (placed via Shep) - he got 22 starts in, for an ERA of 5.44!

SO, as it stands now, I'm at +$799.38...with the most likely results today/tomorrow, I can expect to finish at +$943.13

What's annoying is how many bets I had cancelled, especially the ones only a few games from completion. I was winning 8/9 of the cancelled bets, some of which were for larger amounts, and the one I was losing was cancelled because the guy played himself out of his job, not because of injury. That was an outcome I had in mind when I was placing the bet.

In the end, these bets were as easy as I thought they were, but I'll have to really consider if I want to tie up that much money for the whole baseball season next year with such an unforgiving # of games that need to be played. I'll probably request that Bodog lowers the games played maximums to 100-120 games or 15-20 starts for bets on batting average/ERA. There's really no reason for such a high requirement when not dealing with counting stats.

But anyway, pretty good year. Will be nice to get most of my money freed up today!

EDIT - oh yeah, I forgot about one losing bet because I made it more than halfway through the season and listed it in a different post

Oakland to win the AL West - Risked $50 to win $600 - well...that wasn't pretty. I still think Oakland and LA are pretty average teams and close skillwise, but you wouldn't know it from the records. I'm looking forward to betting Bosox vs Angels in the first playoff series - LOSS -$50

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on September 28, 2008, 05:59:00 pm

lol at this season coming down to a few K's here and there from 4 different teams (and one WHIP). Ridiculous how close this turned out to be.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: packattack on September 28, 2008, 07:03:00 pm

I agree wheat. I was hoping that Come would start Nolasco yesterday against the mets but he didnt(he ended up with 10 k's too) I knew that if he did, QB would lose a full point because of the strikeout gap. It turns out that Shep having an insane 22 ip of whip today and me not pitching zach miner instead of james shields cost me an outright win. Either way, I can't complain. It has been an entertaining season all year. Me and QB led about an equal amount of days with him leading the first few months then me most of the summer and then he lead all September. I was 12 points back of first place about 2 weeks ago and even fell into 3rd for a number of days. Me and the Milwaukee brewers both choked and then turned it around at the same time. I'm just full of joy that the brewers made the playoffs this year. I couldn't be happier, regardless of what happens in the post season. Congrats QB on a well fought out win.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: youseinthehouse on September 29, 2008, 12:14:00 am

Nice year, cube. I attended the June 2 Mets @ Giants game, which Perez started. I remember thinking how screwed your bet was as he gave up six runs before retiring a batter and was yanked (although he was already far gone at this point). I agree though, not a bad bet with the way he's capable of pitching (and pitched for the most of the second half).

Quote from: Packattack04

I'm just full of joy that the brewers made the playoffs this year. I couldn't be happier, regardless of what happens in the post season.

You are me, this time last year. And look how that one worked out for me.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wishiwasfamous on September 29, 2008, 01:25:00 am

not last place = ftw

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: .. on September 29, 2008, 08:19:00 am

Ugh, sorry pack, I had switched Nolasco in a few days ago after missing one of his starts then, but I guess I forgot to submit the changes (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsick.gif&hash=147d83ab69333060437ede2e0058676600b3ea8c)

Rough year for me, but we'll rebound next year!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Boss on September 29, 2008, 02:01:00 pm

It's such a shame that the AL Central has to go into OT to be decided. I don't really think either team is worth being in the playoffs. I've watched the Twins over the last month and the starting pitching is simply not good enough compared to all the other playoff teams. I don't know why the White Sox have been even worse over the last month, but I guess the loss of Quentin/Crede really hurt that offense + bad bullpen? put them in the situation they are in now.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on September 29, 2008, 04:39:00 pm

This is what happened on the final day of the season. Pack started down 2.5 points to QB but not all hope was lost.

Come passing QB in K's thanks to Johnson's ridiculous outing cost Q a full point and Shep's mega performance from Sabathia cost pack a half a point in WHIP. (pack down 2) Pack passed me in K's though to only be down one and late in the day had a shot at making up that point with youse--but just missed. However, when the twins victory was sealed Pack got a third win on the day and that vaulted him past thingy in wins and all of a sudden we were tied! But wait, there's still ONE game to be played!

It literally came down to the last boston vs yankees game in which going in there was a tie from pack's BA vs youse's BA. Youse's players all sucked on the day and that was just enough to drop his BA gaining pack the .5 to seal the victory.

Congratulations on Packattack overcoming a 2.5 pt deficit on the final day to pull out a .5 victory over QB who had led over half the season.

Here were the final scores
Packattack 79.5
QB 79
Youse 72.5
Ngamer 63
wheat 56.5
PDO 55
Shep 51.5
wiff 39
come 34
thingy 20

Fun notes--one more point in BA and QB would've tied, one more point out of youse in BA and it's a tie One less win out of pack... you get the idea of how close it turned out over an entire season.

Category Winners
Runs--pack
HR, RBI--Ngamer
SB--pack
AVG--ngamer
Wins--QB
Saves--wheat (all but clinched a month ago thanks to krod)
K's, ERA, WHIP--youse

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on September 29, 2008, 05:36:00 pm

Complete Final Standings

Rank	Team	Points	Pts Change	Waiver	Moves
1.	packattack (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/3)	79.5	2	3	90
2.	Daytona Sidewinders (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/4)	79	-1	5	171
3.	Sillies (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/10)	72.5	-1.5	4	66
4.	Ng's SuperCrew (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/6)	63	-2	7	13
5.	wheat thins (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/7)	56.5	-2	10	175
6.	Kingers Kings (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/9)	55	0.5	2	2
7.	Team Angle (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/2)	51.5	1.5	1	21
8.	wiff's 'roid 'ragers (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/5)	39	3	9	69
9.	Come (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/1)	34	1	8	29
10.	IsThereAGreatTeam (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/8)	20	-1.5	6	29

Standings
Overall Points

Rank	Team	R (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=7)	HR (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=12)	RBI (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=13)	SB (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=16)	AVG (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=3)	W (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=28)	SV (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=32)	K (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=42)	ERA (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=26)	WHIP (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=27)	Total (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=PTS)
1.	packattack (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/3)	10	5	9	10	7	4	9	9	8	8.5	79.5
2.	Daytona Sidewinders (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/4)	9	8	8	9	8	10	7	5	9	6	79
3.	Sillies (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/10)	7	7	7	2	5.5	8	6	10	10	10	72.5
4.	Ng's SuperCrew (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/6)	8	10	10	4	10	8	3	3	4	3	63
5.	wheat thins (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/7)	6	2	6	5	4	5	10	8	6	4.5	56.5
6.	Kingers Kings (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/9)	5	1	3	8	9	6	4	7	5	7	55
7.	Team Angle (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/2)	2	9	4	7	1	1	8	4	7	8.5	51.5
8.	wiff's 'roid 'ragers (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/5)	4	3	2	6	5.5	8	2	2	2	4.5	39
9.	Come (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/1)	3	6	5	3	2	2	5	6	1	1	34
10.	IsThereAGreatTeam (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/8)	1	4	1	1	3	3	1	1	3	2	20

Overall Stats

Rank	Team	R (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=7)	HR (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=12)	RBI (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=13)	SB (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=16)	AVG (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=3)	W (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=28)	SV (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=32)	K (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=42)	ERA (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=26)	WHIP (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/standings?stype=season&sort=27)
1.	packattack (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/3)	1066	237	1016	171	.282	79	121	1153	3.45	1.23
2.	Daytona Sidewinders (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/4)	1048	245	1005	168	.289	90	111	1098	3.32	1.26
3.	Sillies (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/10)	1017	243	934	114	.281	85	105	1156	3.27	1.21
4.	Ng's SuperCrew (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/6)	1028	251	1025	127	.295	85	78	1051	3.76	1.29
5.	wheat thins (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/7)	974	201	926	140	.278	81	135	1145	3.65	1.28
6.	Kingers Kings (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/9)	949	198	850	155	.290	82	91	1114	3.68	1.25
7.	Team Angle (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/2)	889	250	852	152	.266	65	114	1067	3.53	1.23
8.	wiff's 'roid 'ragers (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/5)	933	221	845	145	.281	85	75	916	3.86	1.28
9.	Come (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/1)	903	240	854	119	.269	69	100	1102	4.30	1.38
10.	IsThereAGreatTeam (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/143908/8)	855	229	840	72	.275	78	5	887	3.80	1.30

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Ngamer on September 29, 2008, 06:26:00 pm

Interesting factoids:

- Ngamer was the league's batting champ, winning the triple crown with first place finishes in Home Runs, RBI, and Batting Average. He also finished 3rd in total Runs.
* ...numbers he put up despite missing 14 games at Catcher, 2 at first base, 17 at 2nd base, 15 at 3rd base, 11 at shortstop, 11 at MI, 7 at utility, and 38 in the infield. That's a total of 115 missed games- yet the Superteam still outhit pack, QB, Youse, and wheat, who for comparison missed a total of 21, 60, 52, and 39 games. Talk about making the most of your opportunities!

Trade Analysis

QB & Come
Come gets Paul Konerko (.243, 66 RBI) and Johnny Cueto (9-14, 4.81 ERA)
QB gets Lastings Milledge (.268, 65 Runs, 24 SB) and Jonathan Papelbon (41 Saves, 77 K)

Ouch for Come! Home team bias certainly bit him here... but even if Cueto had ended up being as good as advertised, how do you give up one of the league's better closers on a team that's sure to win ~90 games this early in the season?

QB & Ng
Ngamer gets BJ Ryan (32 Saves, 2.95 ERA)
QB gets Justin Verlander (11-17, 4.84 ERA)

No biggie, but still glad I was able to dump Verlander that early- didn't need that hit to my ERA.

QB & PDO
PDO gets Manny Ramirez (.322, 37 HR, 121 RBI)
QB gets Carl Crawford (.273, 8 HR, 57 RBI)

Major ouch! This didn't look so awful when Manny was unhappy in Boston and sitting out games with phantom injuries, but boy could QB ever have used his production down the stretch, especially after the trade to LA.

Ngamer & wheat
Ngamer gets AL Cy Young winner Cliff Lee (22-3, 2.54 ERA, 170 K)
wheat gets Michael Young (.284, 12 HR, 102 Runs)

Solid season from Young, but boy oh boy was wheat ever wrong in thinking Lee would run out of gas in the second half! He single-handedly kept my pitching afloat in every category, while as it turned out I had enough RBIs and Runs to spare. Could have used two more trades like this one!

Come & PDO
Come gets Jose Reyes (.297, 113 RBI, 56 SB)
PDO gets Josh Beckett (12-10, 4.03 ERA, 172 K) and Jason Bay (.286, 31 HR, 101 RBI, 111 Runs)

Eh, Reyes got it done on the basepaths for Come, but Bay was a run scoring machine with some serious pop. To give him AND Beckett up? Gracious sakes.

Ng & wheat
Ngamer gets George Sherrill (31 Saves, 58 K, 4.72 ERA) and Jonathan Sanchez (9-12, 5.01 ERA, 157 K)
wheat gets Evan Longoria (.272, 27 HR, 85 RBI)

Longoria is clearly going to be a stud in this league, but imagine my delight when only mere moments after arriving on wheat's squad he suffered a season-ending injury! Okay, so it wasn't mere moments, and he did come back and play a little at the end, but this was still a trade worth giggling about (even though Sanchez sucked).

wiff & Come
Come gets Andy Pettitte (14-14, 4.54 ERA, 158 K) and Kyle Loshe (15-6, 3.78 ERA, 119 K)
wiff gets Hunter Pence (.269, 25 HR, 83 RBI)

The closest to a good trade Come managed to pull off this year... I think?

EDIT - Whoops, switched up the names on that Manny trade!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: packattack on September 29, 2008, 10:22:00 pm

I guess I had a calculation error on Sunday when I thought I lost the league. The reason was because StatTracker suddenly became available and I opened it and for some reason it was adding stats for every position, regardless of if a teams stats were already at the max games played. I didn't notice that and it threw off my calculations. I could have accepted a trade from youse during the year for wright/santana giving up hamels/kinsler but I declined because I wanted to win this league with my drafted players. I knew the trade would be pretty lobsided if I took it. Kinsler went down in the 2nd half and he was my 1st half MVP so I felt fortunate to end up winning with some serious injury/slumping players in the 2nd half.
There's always next year QB.

You gotta love a walk-off Fantasy Baseball Championship. (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Feek.gif&hash=5fc5b032ffecc0869b61bad31bcee959c46eea9d)

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on September 30, 2008, 12:39:00 am

Congrats pack!

Hey Jon, you got the Crawford/Manny trade backwards. I was the dope who gave up Manny before he went off. I had too much power at the time though, and if Crawford had stayed healthy, I would've beaten pack in the hotly contested stolen bases category to take the crown!

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: wheatrich on September 30, 2008, 01:43:00 am

Young sucked for me since he broke his finger right when Jon accepted that trade. I may have been snookered there. Everyone in trade 2 was on the DL most of the rest of the season so it didn't really matter.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: youseinthehouse on September 30, 2008, 01:58:00 am

Yeah, I've never had as much fun in a fantasy baseball season before, that was a really great one and I'm glad I podium'd. I take back my "nice year, cube" (though it still applies for the betting, I reckon), and give a hearty "nice year, pack". Come parlay your win with a fantasy hockey run!

Re: trades
I was trying to target some middle infielders for a while... wanting to give up a corner where I was more or less stacked. Wright seemed the only marketable one (although Huff ended up with almost as good a year on a worse team). Also I wanted to get rid of any and all Mets for my own fandom's sake [although I am truly a David Wright fan... a great player who also seems to be the only one in the Mets clubhouse last year and this year answering the tough questions about the collapses]. Once I stole Lowell from free agency I felt I needed to try to make a move for a corner for a middle. Because Lowell was producing at an incredible rate (for comparison's sake he was on a Morneau pace or greater for all main offensive stat categories given his at-bats at one point during the year) before he went back down to injury. My middle infield was by far the weakest link all year long, having to start a slew of chumps at second base all year long, and even worse at shortstop after Furcal went down with like 130 games remaining supposedly out 4-6 weeks and never came back. Derek Jeter blew so much ass this year, making me like him even less than before, which is amazing. I got lucky with Cristian Guzman for a while... then he cooled off before blowing back up big time the last couple months of the year... AFTER I dropped him and someone else snagged him.

Long story short, I offered lucrative trades to pack and Ngamer to try to dump Santana AND improve myself up the middle but they both declined. I'd offered Johan, Quentin, and Torres (right after he was named closer... he went on to get comparable amount of saves [and more importantly--more wins due to blowing leads] than Lidge over the rest of the year) for Upton, Howard, and Lidge... at a time when Howard was slumping BIGTIME-- we're talking batting .200 (I was counting on the big September obv.). I couldn't believe he didn't accept this one given how much Quentin was exploding and giving him the home team closer and arguably best pitcher in the game-- this is the only offer I made I wish the other team had accepted in hindsight. The trade to Pack would have reamed me as Santana outpitched Hamels down the stretch (mainly getting more wins), and Kinsler got injured. Another trade I'm glad wasn't accepted was Wright for Utley at the all-star break, which I offered wheat. We're talking a difference of 38 batting points, 8 HR, 19 RBI, 10 Runs, all in my favor. Stolen bases were even for the rest of the year. I even predicted Wright > Utley for the remainder of the year, but I NEEDED a 2B and could afford the small hit at 3B as Huff, Cantu, and Lowell were raking. I didn't think it'd be THAT big of a difference, but damn.

(Okay, I lied when I said "long story short")

Anyways, I'll be sure to make the draft next year so I don't get stuck with Granderson, Hafner, Andruw, Jeter, and a god-awful lack of closers next year (I think they autodrafted me Street and Chad Cordero lol). I'm quite surprised I ended up as well as I did looking back on my drafted team. One positive thing about autodrafting was Soto in the late rounds. No clue how they predicted that one.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: rshepherd1000 on October 01, 2008, 07:21:00 am

I still have absolutely no understanding on how to manage my team in this.

After the draft literally all I did was check in every so often to ensure I didnt have anyone who was majorly sucking or on the DL starting.

I probably didnt check often enough, but regardless it would appear theres more to it than that (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fembarassed.gif&hash=5641b47ebaa060c9559e379ec4d9f9bfb35dd661)

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Boss on October 01, 2008, 03:20:00 pm

You have to check your team almost every day to do well in fantasy baseball. There can be key pickups off the wire that end up very good either short term or long term.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Quiet Bol on October 01, 2008, 04:21:00 pm

I would say the most important thing is to use up all your games and innings. You don't want to fall behind pace anywhere and leave counting stats on the table. Also, I was very picking with which pitchers I would start and when. This is how I don't draft a pitcher for 10 rounds, pick up table scraps, and finish with a bunch of wins and an elite ERA.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: Boss on October 02, 2008, 06:33:00 pm

Never underestimate the setup guy in the bullpen with a high Ks/IP ratio and super low ERA/WHIP. They can be more valuable than a saves guy with crap ERA/WHIP, epecially late in the season when you are trying to cut off .01 or so WHIP to gain that needed pt or 2.

Title: Elite Fantasy Baseball & MLB Betting 2008
Post by: youseinthehouse on October 03, 2008, 02:30:00 am

I agree. Marmol was that for me, he essentially gave me the Ks lead I never really had to worry about being passed in (assumed Ks lead after I passed wiff, obviously). He was doing great things for ERA and WHIP until he absolutely blew up halfway through the year.