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Good heavens, it's bracket time!
Yes sir, the greatest playoffs in all of sport are here again- it's college basketball's Big Dance! But which of the 64 teams will come out on top?
As always, we're running an Elite bracket competition at ESPN.com, and everyone's invited. Just start here:
http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/frontpage (http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/frontpage)
After you log in, pick an entry name (like "Ng's Superpicks!") and then click Create/Join a Group. Do a search for
The Final Four Elite
Our pass, as always, is "elite."
Good luck to all, and let the discussion of which teams wheat feels were snubbed start now!
EDIT - You might have a little trouble joining right now because ESPN's servers are being swamped. If so, give it a few minutes, or better yet try again later tonight after the swarm dies down some.
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I think this will be done loading in about an hour
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Nice, I'll sign up after I do some hardcore thinking.
I'll keep my initial thoughts to myself; a few surprises from the selection committee, and looks like it'll be a really tough year (at least for me) to pick accurately.
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i did well in my brackets last year (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e) if only georgetown had gone all the way...
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I'm hoping to ditch work on Thursday and Friday so I can catch all the action. Work has narcware on the pc's so I'd be unable to check the results until after I got home. Last year Neo dominated the first round and wheatrich came from way back in the pack to correctly predict the Elite Eight up to and including the finals to make it into the top 5 (out of 38).
I know octo and I will be rooting for USD over UConn in the first round.
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Should be fine, I'll sign myself up!
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Does anyone still have the results from last year's pool? I can't seem to remember how I did...
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I happened to make a screenshot.
(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg111.imagevenue.com%2Floc1083%2Fth_34384_2007_Elite_Final_Standings_122_1083lo.jpg&hash=d372be35eed45ee6d7bdc09c8a66d9867ea059d3) (http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=34384_2007_Elite_Final_Standings_122_1083lo.jpg)
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Ohh, cool work frantic. Here's some more info for those wanting to take a look back.
March Madness 2006: http://perfectdarkelite.yuku.com?topic=1777 (http://perfectdarkelite.yuku.com?topic=1777)
March Madness 2007: http://perfectdarkelite.yuku.com?topic=1528 (http://perfectdarkelite.yuku.com?topic=1528)
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when must it be finished by?
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Who won last year on The Elite facebook march madness?
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The first game is 11 in the morning this Thursday. All brackets lock at that time.
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I finished 5th last year!? Alright, looks like another year of random no knowledge picks!
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ugh I picked too safe in this contest I think. Not my normal style.
What should be the best games of the tournament.
Kansas State vs USC. Okay the committee clearly did this one on purpose. (side note--why the hell are almost all the mid majors playing each other? yeesh I'd rather see an arizona vs gonzaga and south alabama vs west virginia then having them all play each other [butler vs zona... etc])
Winthrop vs Wazzu. I love and I mean LOVE the 13's vs the 4's --even more than the 12's vs the 5's this year.
South Alabama vs Butler. Winner's got a fantastic shot at taking out Tenn. (butler pretty much killed them last year in preseason NIT and south alabama is playing... in birmingham alabama--go defacto home games!) I just wish I knew who it was!
Davidson vs Gonzaga Davidson's actually favored.
Drake vs W.Kentucky--Drake as a team concerns me--they've got the talent to easily face Kansas in the 16--and could go down to WKU. Hate teams like this.
St. Marys vs Miami--see committee when you pair mids vs bigs--I've got NO clue who's winning this--it's as close to a coin toss as you can get (in fact line's Miami -1 right now)
Siena vs Vanderbilt--see Vandy as team most likely to lose in round 1 (of the top 5 seeds) in the wheat book of first round upsets.
Those 2's are in big trouble. WVU/Zona match up well vs Duke, South Alabama/But match up great vs Ten, Gtown could be playing a virtual road game vs Davidson
sickens me I won't get butler S alabama--imo that's the best first round game of the tournament.
[side note 2--the women's team actually allows teams to play on their home court in rounds 1/2--and sent all they possibly could there--Purdue's a 9 at home, Stanford a 1 at home, Maryland (a 1) at home, ridiculous]
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in it to win it baby!
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Davidson is definitely favored in their game; I picked Gonzaga kind of as an upset. It'll appear that I'm playing it safe/picking the favorite to most people, but NO!
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ugh I picked too safe in this contest I think. Not my normal style.
What should be the best games of the tournament.
Kansas State vs USC. Okay the committee clearly did this one on purpose. (side note--why the hell are almost all the mid majors playing each other? yeesh I'd rather see an arizona vs gonzaga and south alabama vs west virginia then having them all play each other [butler vs zona... etc])
Winthrop vs Wazzu. I love and I mean LOVE the 13's vs the 4's --even more than the 12's vs the 5's this year.
South Alabama vs Butler. Winner's got a fantastic shot at taking out Tenn. (butler pretty much killed them last year in preseason NIT and south alabama is playing... in birmingham alabama--go defacto home games!) I just wish I knew who it was!
Davidson vs Gonzaga Davidson's actually favored.
Drake vs W.Kentucky--Drake as a team concerns me--they've got the talent to easily face Kansas in the 16--and could go down to WKU. Hate teams like this.
St. Marys vs Miami--see committee when you pair mids vs bigs--I've got NO clue who's winning this--it's as close to a coin toss as you can get (in fact line's Miami -1 right now)
Siena vs Vanderbilt--see Vandy as team most likely to lose in round 1 (of the top 5 seeds) in the wheat book of first round upsets.
Those 2's are in big trouble. WVU/Zona match up well vs Duke, South Alabama/But match up great vs Ten, Gtown could be playing a virtual road game vs Davidson
sickens me I won't get butler S alabama--imo that's the best first round game of the tournament.
[side note 2--the women's team actually allows teams to play on their home court in rounds 1/2--and sent all they possibly could there--Purdue's a 9 at home, Stanford a 1 at home, Maryland (a 1) at home, ridiculous]
I agree with most of what you said. I think the 6-11 matchup has 3 possible upsets whereas I only see 1 likely 12-5 upset. There is a good chance we see 0 12-5 upsets for a 2nd straight year. A couple 13-4's are possible with vandy being most likely to go down. Vandy can't play on the road but they are a decent on neutral courts and just suck on the road. I think they probably survive Siena although I hope they go down. I'm not completely done with my bracket yet but I have a few upsets and I don't know who to pick in the WVU/AZ game. I'd rather not make a pick there since its more than a toss up.
I think the committee did a poor job with seeding quite a few teams. Some teams were overseeded by 2 or more lines and some teams like butler were just slapped in the face with their seed and location. I hope butler comes out pissed and takes out s bama and Tenn. One region where I am most confused is the bottom of the South. WVU/AZ could take out Duke and Xavier/Purdue/Baylor could all make it 3 rounds or just 1. Not sure what will actually happen down there.
I dont think WAZZU will lose to Winthrop and I really hope a lot of people pick George Mason over Notre Dame. lol
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My Elite bracket is just designed to win the Elite, so it's very cookie cutter, as the name implies. The first bracket I made was much more wild, with a better chance at large-scale success (Clemson as champ, for example). Then for the other 8 brackets, I just used a copy of a previous cookie cutter and altered it so a semi-random high seed went to the Final 4 or further. (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148)
I wish I had thought to make a favorite's bracket with one of them.
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GO ZAGS
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My bracket is almost complete. I'm still agonizing over a couple of key choices. I hate toss-ups! Usually, I start out well for the first couple of rounds before disaster strikes and ruins my bracket. Maybe I can avoid that this year.
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does the term 'sheet of integrity' have no meaning in north wales?
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My Sheet of Integrity is ready to dominate this year!
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I'm still working on a few pieces of my bracket. Then I have 8 completely random upset brackets, probably should have used a more systematic approach to cover more ground / be less wild, but I didn't want to take the time. Then I have a favorites bracket!
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I'm in it to lose it!
I'm quite offended that none of these "perfect bracket" contests allow citizens of Florida to participate. Perhaps they feel it would be unfair if a Floridian won by picking teams they didn't intend to pick. After all, I was quite confused as to why Pat Buchanan wasn't in there.
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Ok lots to get through and a very slow espn site right now so ill be keeping this brief where possible. Probably lots of spellin mistakes but whatev.
Nates Losers
An aptly name team considering we have Beasley running all the way to the Elite 8 only to lose to Kansas, who are winning it all. Georgia beating Xavier is farcical
Best Pick: Texas CG
Worst Pick: Kansas State E8
Grade: C-
frantic 1
Pretty respectable bracket with a nice mixture of chances and bankers. I dont particularly like UCLA that much but mf has put this together ok.
Best Pick: Pitt S16
Worst Pick: Gonzaga 32
Grade: B+
Lark
A suprisingly safe and normal bracket from Lark. Was really expecting something appalling here.
Best Pick: Duke F4
Worst Pick: West Virginia 32
Grade: B
Ng's SuperBracket
Not too shabby. Again was really envisaging an atrocious set of selections. Texas winning it all is perhaps too over-exciting put I actually dont mind it.
Best Pick: Texas Win
Worst Pick: Saint Josephs 32
Grade: B+
IsThereAGrandTeam
This is a really mixed back. I like the gambles on texas and Pitt but HATE Arizona beating Drake in the E8. Some other odd selections early makes this a bizzare effort.
Best Pick: Pitt E8
Worst Pick: Arizona F4
Grade: D+
Octo's Madness!
Standard North Carolina over UCLA in the final, but Im really struggling to get past Davidson beating Georgetown early.
Best Pick: Pitt E8
Worst Pick: Davidson S16
Grade: B
NOAKEVBO
Wow this is actually a really great offering. Perhaps hurt by too much conservatism in the early rounds, but otherise very solid.
Best Pick: Gtown F4
Worst Pick: West Virginia 32
Grade: A-
packattackUWgotscrewed
Automatic D for all four #1 seeds in the final 4. Really you need to be more imaginative!
Best Pick: Louisville E8
Worst Pick: Butler S16
Grade: D
MMF winning bracket
Another ridiculous bracket with all four #1 seeds making it and very little interesting going on before that.
Best Pick: Arizona 32
Worst Pick: Wisconsin E8
Grade: D-
Dayle's Losers!
Alright, if i see a bracket worse than this feel free to shoot me. I dont know where to start. Is there even ONE #1 seed in the elite 8? Kent St in the F4???? Notre Dame in the championship game???? Connecticut winning it??????????? PLAYOFFS???
Best Pick: Wisconsin E8
Worst Pick: Kent St F4
Grade: F
hovis 1
Some good and bad here - mostly bad. I dont like Memphis to win at all, and both Tennessee and Louisville losing in 32 isnt fun. Nevertheless there is some good imagination and the upsets are somewhat possible - but that many of them?
Best Pick: Purdue S16
Worst Pick: Memphis winner
Grade: C
QB's Cookie Cutter
Look, Im having to sit here grading like 50 brackets and I just dont have time for this kind of nonsense. All 4 #1 seeds in final four?? This thing is so devoid of upsets its ridiculous.
Best Pick: Pitt S16
Worst Pick: Stanford E8
Grade: D
Cyber's picks
The top half of this is ok and then you scroll down and see Davidson and West Virginia in the S16. Lots of Kansas fans in the Elite.
Best Pick: Pitt F4
Worst Pick: South Alabama 32
Grade: C
Matt8000 ftw
Youd figure this would be as bad as Dayles, however its actually alright. Some possible upsets in there that are reasonable although perhaps too much of a stretch.
Best Pick: Tennessee F4
Worst Pick: Wisconsin CG
Grade: B-
Come's Sheet of Integrity
This is fairly average attempt. I like the way its balanced but I just feel that some of the wrong choices were made in terms of the matchups in the Elite 8. Since its a genuine sheet of integrity ill give it a stronger grade than I would were this from someone like Jon.
Best Pick: Pitt F4
Worst Pick: UCLA Win
Grade: B+
Dykstra 1
Marquette in E8 seems a little implausible, but ill give some credit for tempering the desire to push them past Memphis. The Davidson love is silly though
Best Pick: Louisville F4
Worst Pick: Davidson S16
Grade: B-
mikerspd MADnessest
This isnt so bad. I disagree with some of the selections but I can see where its coming from. I dont really like UCLA making the championship game but Id favour them over Memphis at least.
Best Pick: Wisconsin F4
Worst Pick: South Alabama 32
Grade: B+
Topes
Hmm some early upsets make this a weird bracket to look at. Butler, USC and BYu all in the E8? I think thats being way too optimistic!
Best Pick: Texas F4
Worst Pick: BYU E8
Grade: C
Kessler 1
Alright another chump with all four #1 seeds in the F4. Not only that but we have 3 #2 and 1 #3 in the E8. And its the WRONG #3 to pick out of all of them too. You really need to pull yourself together!
Best Pick: UNC Win
Worst Pick: Memphis CG
Grade: D-
Wiff's lucky picks
This would have been a decent bracket but for some silly stuff in the early rounds. I enjoyed George Masons performances better in 24. Basketball just isnt his thing. And Duke winning it?
Best Pick: Texas F4
Worst Pick: George Mason 32
Grade: c+
wheatrich's invitational
This is a really really disappoinign effort. It looks pretty near the end but the first 3 rounds are just horrible and wheat will be way out of contention before this has even started.
Best Pick: Texas CG
Worst Pick: South Alabama S16
Grade: D
darthrob64
If theres any bracket here for which the predicted points of 1680 is accurate, its this one. Top to bottom this is probably the most astute submission with the perfect blend of favourites progressing and upsets. Theres no doubt had this bracket been available for others in the 'Copy Picks' box that a lot of people would have been hard pressed to pass up the opportunity to benefit from the wonderful insight on display here.
Best Pick: Duke F4
Worst Pick: UCLA E8
Grade: A
AnderssonBallers
Ok Axel knows absolutely nothing about college basketball but I actually dont mind his bracket. The Gonzaga, Oklahoma and Oral Roberts stuff is a little excessive
Best Pick: Tennesee CG
Worst Pick: Stanford F4
Grade: B
wtf...is this basketball?
Wtf... is this a serious bracket? Ok its not quite as bad as Dayles but is getting there. Marquette in the final? Indiana, Baylor and Davidson in the E8? God at least Kansas are winning it.
Best Pick: Kansas win
Worst Pick: Oral Roberts E8
Grade: F+
Thira's Ownage
You know what, theres a lot of off the wall stuff in here but I like the way its been applied. This is a bracket that could actually win it all in an odd kind of way.
Best Pick: Clemson E8
Worst Pick: Winthrop 32
Grade: A-
*Whoooooooooooosh*
Not a lot of Gtown love in the Elite it seems. This would have been a nice bracket but them Mississippi went and ruined it. Kentucky to S16 is a stretch.
Best Pick: Gtown F4
Worst Pick: Mississippi St F4
Grade: C+
D12
Another four #1 seeds chump. And some silly early upsets too. Get it together guys!
Best Pick: Butler E8
Worst Pick: Boise State S16
Grade: D
BrewCity Bracket
This is ok. Im kinda seeing the same bracket a lot now. Its nicely balanced though. Could do well.
Best Pick: Pitt F4
Worst Pick: UCLA winner
Grade: B+
Elite's Worst Bracket
Wow he wasnt kidding. Gonzaga to the F4? Vanderbilt to the E8? Connecticut to the finals? Anyone finishing below this seabracket really is a complete loser.
Best Pick: UNC win
Worst Pick: Gonzaga E8
Grade: C-
Lavery 1
Cry. Why....why???? Out of all the teams in the lower half of the East you pick St Josephs to make it to the E8? This bracket is just beyond hope.
Best Pick: UNC Win
Worst Pick: UNLV S16
Grade: E
Goose
Yet another four #1 seeder. CMON GUYS. Use your knowledge properly. Stretch your brains! YOu can do it! (next year)
Best Pick: Pitt S16
Worst Pick: Marquette E8
Grade: D
Woll
THis is alright. Xavier love a bit too far but a reaonable blend of the sublime and the ridiculous. Could be a dark horse
Best Pick: Wisconsin F4
Worst Pick: Xavier CG
Grade: B+
Saw DKK at a lemonparty
I dont know whats worse here. St Marys in the E8 or Belmont in the S16. Actually back the fun bus up. American over Tennessee? Ill grad up just because that made me lol.
Best Pick: American 32
Worst Pick: Belmont S16
Grade: B
OD Wins
Really poor selection here packed full of all the wrong upsets and a comical choice of winner. I dont know what they put in those dog biscuits. oh wait..
Best Pick: Louisville F4
Worst Pick: Wisconsin winner
Grade: D+
Poteau Jedi
This is nates second bracket and probably the stronger of the two.
Best Pick: Kansas State not in E8
Worst Pick: Texas not in CG
Grade: B-
Kingers Perfect Picks
DING. So someone did use copy picks? Wow this is what Im talking about right here! In it to win it PDO!
Best Pick: Villanova S16
Worst Pick: Oklahoma S16
Grade: A-
Mike 1
This was ok i suppose. South kinda ruins it a bit but it has potential to do well.
Best Pick: Butler S16
Worst Pick: Stanford F4
Grade: B
PSK
Shoot me now. THREE #1 seeds being kicked off by #16s? And the one making it through Memphis?? Are you kidding me? Miami winning it all? Are there enough letters in the alphabet? This might be an elite first grade!
Best Pick: Drake F4
Worst Pick: American E8
Grade: G
PYLemire
I really dont like some of the early upsets and Butler to F4 seems too much
Best Pick: Kansas CG
Worst Pick: Cornell S16
Grade: C-
jon forced me to do this
Next time Jon needs to keep his mouth shut so I dont have to put up with horrible entries like this. i dont think theres actually a single lower seed win here other than a couple of first round #9s. Pure fantasy
Best Pick: NC Win
Worst Pick: UCLA CG
Grade: E
MisterGuru
This isnt as bad as it first looked to me. I can go with this to some extent although taking Wisconsin to the championship game was perhaps too much.
Best Pick: Texas win
Worst Pick: South Alabama 32
Grade: B
Boss
This is a reasonably well put together bracket that does have some potential to succeed. I like the thread thats been woven here and dare I say another dark horse.
Best Pick: Tennessee win
Worst Pick: West virginia 32
Grade: B+
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summary
| darthrob64 | A |
| Kingers Perfect Picks | A- |
| NOAKEVBO | A- |
| Thira's Ownage | A- |
| Boss | B+ |
| BrewCity Bracket | B+ |
| Come's Sheet of Integrity | B+ |
| frantic 1 | B+ |
| Lark | B+ |
| mikerspd MADnessest | B+ |
| Ng's SuperBracket | B+ |
| Woll | B+ |
| AnderssonBallers | B |
| Mike 1 | B |
| MisterGuru | B |
| Octo's Madness! | B |
| Saw DKK at a lemonparty | B |
| Dykstra 1 | B- |
| Matt8000 ftw | B- |
| Poteau Jedi | B- |
| *Whoooooooooooosh* | C+ |
| Wiff's lucky picks | C+ |
| Cyber's picks | C |
| hovis 1 | C |
| Topes | C |
| Elite's Worst Bracket | C- |
| Nates Losers | C- |
| PYLemire | C- |
| IsThereAGrandTeam | D+ |
| OD Wins | D+ |
| D12 | D |
| Goose | D |
| packattackUWgotscrewed | D |
| QB's Cookie Cutter | D |
| wheatrich's invitational | D |
| Kessler 1 | D- |
| MMF winning bracket | D- |
| jon forced me to do this | E |
| Lavery 1 | E |
| wtf...is this basketball? | F+ |
| Dayle's Losers! | F |
| PSK | G |
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Jon tried to force me into joining this, but i don't see the point since i have no interest in Basketball. Typical Jon and his methods...(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148)
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So the grades are a direct indication of which brackets most closely match your own?
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I got a D wow, Im amazed. I just closed my eyes and clicked randomly on the screen for 12 minutes, then I opened them and saw my bracket was completed.
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Thanks for the writeup shep. You put a lot of work into it. I picked UCLA to win it all but I'm having second thoughts since star center, freshman Kevin Love is reportedly lame.
I'm attempting to put together a program like I did last year that shows the standings after each round, based on total possible points as opposed to current points. I just need to input every game from every person and figure out how to run it again.
Good luck to everyone!
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Excellent work on those writeups Shep!
And what's this, Nate snuck in two brackets? Afraid that's an automatic disqualification.
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Good luck with brackets, Elite!
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So do we compare the predictions to the results at the end and see who's brackets outperformed and underperformed?
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Anyone that tries to talk NCAA Basketball with me knows I absolutely LOATHE college basketball and this damned March Madness nonsense. In other words, I'm honored by shep's F showing that I don't even give enough of a shit to make the "easy" picks! (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fhappy.gif&hash=7b9cd982f9a41f9aefcd7ea74682d5f1e4caf4c6)
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I don't see many upsets happening this year. The matchups are generally pretty favored for the favorite, and the only team I see possibly stopping a 4 #1 final 4 is Texas.
Edit:
I just counted and I have more upset picks that you!
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Shep's grade on his own bracket
Best Pick: Duke F4
Grade: A
Enough said. Funny in the fantasy game I've done the best here is the one I don't do grades for... (and won't--Kansas UNC and Texas are all great picks but I really don't like anyone else)
Don't get why Salabama in the round of 16 is terrible and butler is great. Butler's all but playing AT S Alabama (and from what I've seen from Butler they aren't as good as last year). Take locations into account. Wish I saw more than one S. Alabama game to evaluate correctly though. (I get to watch it yay!) [even before that duke outing I was pretty well convinced WVU was going to beat them...]
If Texas doesn't win they really should crush themselves--it's so setup for them till the CG (Kansas/North Carolina are great winning picks too I had a tough time picking a winner there) Any of those three are good picks but I like the guys trying to win the 10k too. Why not give it a shot--going to be impossible picking all top seeds.
Wheat's bets
Texas 16/1 to win NCAA tournament Took the big 12 at 7/2 as well to cover Kansas.
Actually Belmont was almost the perfect team to get an upset--because they shoot mostly 3's. Any team like that was probably worth a ML play.
(sigh winthrop was tied at half--and egads at winthrop 2nd half, kent state 1st half, and whatever the hell that was out of Cornell and really whatever the hell that was that UCLA played--that performance probably should earn a demotion of the whole conference out of D1)
The biggest thing I keep noticing is just how stupid some of these teams are. They get the "I'm going to shoot the ball no matter what" in their head and force some shots that should make a high school coach strangle a freshman. I'm so glad I'm not a coach I'd kill some kid. (one vs four? no problem!) nobody on my team under the basket not an issue! triple teamed=shoot the ball! It really sickens me at times.
So I'm even rooting against my bracket--wheeee.
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I just want to see how my brackets do, I won't accept anything if I do decent, which I shouldn't
and goooo Beasl... er... kState!
Also, I almost always end up rooting against my bracket:)
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Darn right, K-State. Hey, Walker carried the team in the first half, Nate. I swear, everybody forgets about Bill Walker.
SAN DIEGO! Pretty happy about that one.
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o perfect brackets in yahoo, 1 possible left in espn, lol
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*dies*
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[23:14] NgamerAtWork: I'd have to think that, according to just seeds,
[23:15] NgamerAtWork: we've seen the least upsetting day in tourney history followed by the most upsetting
[23:15] NgamerAtWork: in terms of R1 days
[23:15] ReIigion LOL: or maybe your just bad at preds!
[23:15] NgamerAtWork: I'm not basing this on my preds, dummy!
[23:15] NgamerAtWork: I clearly said, based only on seeds
[23:16] NgamerAtWork: ok, I'll tally today's upsets
[23:17] ReIigion LOL: with all these upsets, at this rate nates going to have the best bracket!
[23:18] NgamerAtWork: there would be 36 "seeds" worth of upsets today
[23:18] NgamerAtWork: assuming Nova pulls this out
[23:19] NgamerAtWork: compared to 6 "seeds" of upsets yesterday
[23:19] NgamerAtWork: yeah, those have to be records
Hurrah for Nova and Arkansas and Miss St making my day a little less disastrous!
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How was I the only one in the group that has WKU winning 2 games?
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You guys should be all embarrassed than a bracket which shep gave a D is beating you. You all fucking suck! (other than Woll and Tyler who own obviously.)
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Here are the standings after round 1. These are sorted in the order of Total Points Possible. I didn't find anyone that was mathematically eliminated but that's sure to change after round 2.
(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcontent.imagesocket.com%2Fimages%2FStandings_After_Round_1e43.jpg&hash=3fd580c2f694fc509ef0b1e824b27d6e4cefb6bf)
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Not sure why my WVU > Duke pick was criticized on my "bracket analysis". Duke is overrated and is very inconsistent in the early rounds of the tourney. After watching them suck with Belmont, I liked my pick even more. Surprised only 2 other ppl in this pool had the pick.
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its because no one here cares about NCAA basketball enough to know which teams are good or not. All this is is randomly selecting stuff based on numbers. Anyone who thinks elsewise is either Tyler, Woll or they suck.
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Bah, unlucky first round!
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Next time I get such a big feeling on an upset (siena, WVU) I'm betting the max. I'm such a nit with $ and it really costs me.
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one of my brackets has 400 points is is ranked 4000th (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e) that will change tho...
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With the first half of round 2 completed it's tight at the top of the leaderboard with Tapani the untied leader with 380 points. We have the first three people eliminated but for everyone else, upsets can happen so everyone else still has a chance.
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Here's a quick breakdown on how many people picked whoever as the champion:
North Carolina (14)
UCLA ((https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fglasses.gif&hash=bff6876d09c6ed8ee21b0a68387099c1d34ffa13)
Kansas (7)
Texas (3)
Memphis (3)
Wisconsin (2)
Tennessee, UConn, Miami FL (1) each
EDIT:
"Cyber's picks
The top half of this is ok and then you scroll down and see Davidson and West Virginia in the S16."
Owned.
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From shep:
Octo's Madness!
Standard North Carolina over UCLA in the final, but Im really struggling to get past Davidson beating Georgetown early.
Best Pick: Pitt E8
Worst Pick: Davidson S16
Grade: B
Oops!!! Think everything there is backwards (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fwink.gif&hash=4979046fbfc7ed25a03644bf608e503c4aa73f0f)
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which is why it's retarded to grade brackets.
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With the completion of round 2, tapani is the sole leader with 480 points but woll has the greatest potential with 1500 points possible. Sixteen teams remain and the action resumes on Thursday, March 27th. The breakdown is:
1st Round: 10 points per game.
2nd Round: 20
Sweet 16: 40
Elite Eight: 80
Final Four: 120
Finals: 160
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Still 440, all right. Damn Butler game.
Still got six of my E8 and all of the F4, so I should be in good shape as long as Wisconsin, Texas and Memphis can win their S16 games. Can't imagine UNC, Louisville or UCLA losing.
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After half of the Sweet 16 games completed, we have a 3-way tie on the points board with woll, octo, and cyber leading with 620 points. But woll remains alone at the top in the greatest potential with 1500 points possible. A few more have been eliminated and things are sure to shake up a bit after Friday's games. Stay tuned!
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well, my bracket 4 was ranked ~4900 before the tennessee loss, now it's fucked (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e)
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Congrats Vols! *sequence of grumbles and sighs that will no doubt be interpreted as yelling by the oversensitive ears of the elite*
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Wiff! Quiet down!
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Today's implications for the weekend... I have Texas > Pittsburg, and Kansas > Wisconson. Naturally, I'll be rooting for Mich. State today then, while I can't get a perfect elite 8, I REALLY need this texas win. WI would be very nice, as I'm sure many many more have Gtown, and I need to cash in instead of split zeros with everybody else. But go Texas!
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Nine more people eliminated after Friday's games. Woll is now the sole points leader with 740 but tapani takes over the Total Points Possible category with 1440 points possible. Special mention goes to wtf dolejsi who was the only one to pick Davidson to advance to the Elite Eight - two games on Saturday and two on Sunday.
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edit: wiff changed from alive to eliminated.
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Davidson knocked me out. (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ffrown.gif&hash=9bb8520656650a7c2457ae0ae2ee8996e4109fd6)
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Wow, I'm actually eliminated now? Oh well, I still have a chance to win first place in my $ pool w/ about 50 guys, so whooo!
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Ugh @ yesterday. Davidson > gtown but not over WI? what was I thinking. I guess from here out, the only game I can afford to miss is Kansas. Doesn't really matter, in our pool, if Davidson > Kansas, and in fact that might help my UNC > Kansas pick, as I obv need my champion! Else, I'm gonna need UNC > UCLA > Texas. Still like my chances, we'll see after the weekend.
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If cyber wins the rest of his picks, tapani will still come out ahead. For me, I'm out if either Davidson or UCLA loses.
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My best bracket, with pretty good potential as well..
http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/entry?entryID=1452939&groupIdView=0&entryIDFrom=1452939 (http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/entry?entryID=1452939&groupIdView=0&entryIDFrom=1452939)
890 points, with Kansas > Memphis in the finals. So opposite prospects as my elite bracket, hopefully one of them comes true for a top 10K finish or something (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fwink.gif&hash=4979046fbfc7ed25a03644bf608e503c4aa73f0f)
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Woll took a big hit with Xavier's defeat by UCLA. Tapani's now the leader in both current points and Total Possible points.
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So...if Texas wins out and Kansas wins its next two then I can get first here?
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TheFlash, you must be Abbey on the list. Yes, assuming I didn't perform any gigo, you'd be champ and would beat Larkin by 10 points. With two games left in the Elite 8, there are 32 combinations of the remaining outcomes. After tonight's games there will be 8 combos and I'll post those with the winner of each. Of the 32 combos now, tapani would win 5 of those.
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lol am i like the only one who has memphis?
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QB's Cookie Cutter
Look, Im having to sit here grading like 50 brackets and I just dont have time for this kind of nonsense. All 4 #1 seeds in final four?? This thing is so devoid of upsets its ridiculous.
Best Pick: Pitt S16
Worst Pick: Stanford E8
Grade: D
Your grades have had a negative correlation with success. Strangely, this makes them more useful than if they had no correlation at all. (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fgrin.gif&hash=19085c4f82e7c8861cdf5328e4a8c6e590545af2)
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Texas eliminated me. Stupid Memphis, I can't believe all #1s made it through! My top bracket is still +10 on the elite, rank 7737. Kansas > Memphis would be top 1000, and my elite bracket.. well, with 4 #1s here, if you don't get your finals right, you'll fall like a rock! Missed all the elite 8 games, woulda been rooting for Davidson - oh well =)
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Kansas' thrilling victory over Davidson puts all four #1 seeds into the Final Four since seeding began in 1979. Tapani remains the leader in both points and possible points. Seven people are still in it and each has a chance at the title. Three games remain and the matchups are Memphis vs. UCLA, North Carolina Vs. Kansas, and then the title game. The first two games are on Saturday, April 5th, and the title game is on Monday, April 7th.
The three remaining games can have 8 different outcomes. Here are the outcomes and the winner of each. Ties would be broken by the ESPN tie-breaker criteria.
Memphis/North Carolina/Memphis: Hovis
Memphis/North Carolina/North Carolina: Kessler
Memphis/Kansas/Memphis: White & Lemire (tie)
Memphis/Kansas/Kansas: White
UCLA/North Carolina/UCLA: packattack
UCLA/North Carolina/North Carolina: Rayson
UCLA/Kansas/UCLA: Tapani & packattack (tie)
UCLA/Kansas/Kansas: Tapani
Yes, packattack can theoretically win if he loses the Kansas/NC game and Tapani and White can win if either loses the title game.
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I had a lot of confidence in the #1 seeds this year. They seemed to be a step above the rest.
I was really rooting for Davidson against Kansas since they are located nearby (even though I picked Kansas). I root for my home teams, and it sucked to see them lose. Curry didn't have the hot hand towards the end, and that did them in.
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I followed basketball pretty well this year and knew that all the 1 seeds were far superior(more so than ever before) to the 2's and 3's The Strongest 2 was texas and the strongest 3 was Louisville but I knew UL would have to beat UNC in Charlotte(not likely) and that Texas would choke(very likely) like they do every year under Barnes. I was also rooting for Davidson to beat Kansas because I don't like Kansas much and I wanted to see a rematch of UNC and Davidson.(a game which I know davidson could have won) In the end I am not surprised all 1's advanced simply because they are all on a much higher level than any of the other seeds. The final 4 and championship should be very entertaining now with such quality talent left. Thanks MostFrantic for your time doing the standing updates and possible scenarios.
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The 1's are always better, typically one or two of them get UPSET. Which ALMOST happened with A&M against UCLA, ALMOST happened with Davidson against Kansas, ALMOST happened with Mississippi State (!) against Memphis. The only 1 seed that has comfortably made the Final Four is North Carolina (no single-digit margins of victory), who are the overall #1 seed and got to play Washington State and Louisville in Charlotte.
But, yeah, it should be a good final three games.
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A&M still has not been beaten in this tournament imo.
But congrats to everyone savvy enough to get this final four right, including myself, and especially excluding Shep!
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I think saying it was obv that the 4 #1s would make it is pretty silly, as well. OBVIOUSLY they're better and favored, but if you want to cookie cut, picking all higher seeds will get you a good score every year - but rarely a winning score. I stand by a decision to take an upset of a #1 seed, no matter how much better they may look this year compared to others, because even the best #1 teams are challenged atleast once or twice, and the odds of all of them escaping without losing is relatively small!
I looked over my bracket and realized I did, IMO, pretty darn well, and to only be in 7th is pretty crazy, I think we all did pretty well this year. I guess you can attribute to the general lack of upsets, and not TOO many tossup matches, and all 4 #1s gets all the non-followers (and apparently followers) a lot of success =).
The only double busters I've had in my bracket have been Clemons/Uconn (like 95% of the public, these were the two 12/13s in Tampa) then Pitt's loss I had Pitt > Memphis but else nothing has screwed me too bad this year.
I'm really excited for the games this weekend, Ricky'll be out and he can experience first hand the madness!
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I'm also happy about my bracket this year even though I can't mathematically win this pool. I still have a great shot at winning the $250 in my friend's pool - c'mon Kansas over UCLA! Even Kansas over Memphis would give me $125.
Picking Pitt to go the F4 was pretty ballsy, and my Winthrop to the S16 pick wasn't the greatest in hindsight. However, I'm glad I was able to foresee Davidson beating Gtown and WVU beating Duke. Still managed to get 6/8 Elite 8 and 3/4 F4.
I'd never pick all #1 seeds to make it to the final four, and I still probably never will. Not only is it so unlikely, but what's the fun in rooting for the #1's every year anyway?
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I think for many of us, we'd never picked all #1 seeds in the Final Four before, so it feels good to finally do it and be right. The 4 best teams were correctly seeded for once and they didn't disappoint.
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So would you say that George Mason was one of the four best teams two years ago? Maybe you would, but the four best teams rarely make the Final Four. Upsets happen. Good teams play worse then usual, teams that normally aren't as good as them play better then usual, and manage victory.
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if kansas > unc, i win money. if kansas > all, i win a lot of money.
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I dont think seeds really mean much in a 1 game format. Any game a 1 seed team can have a lapse and it will cost them a victory and thats the real reason there's never been any all #1 seed final 4 until now. Of course this works the other way, and a #1 seed who is actually worse than a #2 seed can still win because its only a 1 game format. It's basically impossible to put probability combined with skill into practical usage while computing results for this tournament.
I'd be willing to bet if you looked at the record for #1 seeds advancing in stuff like the MLB, NBA or NHL playoffs it would be very convincing that seeds are usually correct since more trials = less variance (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148)
You guys get the idea hopefully, I dont want this to turn into that 180 post mess like we had in GE.
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Well, good bracket making is about picking smart upsets. I took Xavier > Duke, not only because Xavier had a moderate chance of beating Duke, but *also* because WVU had a good chance of beating Duke, THEN Xavier would take out WVU. Easier said than done, eh? But dead-end upsets are pretty pointless to do, and a bracket isn't about being perfect its about probability of a given team winning in a certain slot, against any matchup it may be. That is why I often work backwards, instead of "well if this happens, then this could happen, then this could happen, so omg 13 seed in the final 4!!!"
If you agree with 99%, 90%, 80%, 70% for odds of the #1 seeding winning their round 1-4 games, on average, then every 16 years you'd see the #1 seeds in the final 4. I think the main problem is poor seeding often makes #1 seeds close to, even blow, tossups in round 3 and 4, and plenty of teams are underseeded in the 4/5 or 8/9 even, to really screw with those.
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All of this misses the point though, when people are talking about hard it is for all #1 seeds to make the final four. The result, by itself, may be pretty unlikely, but IT'S STILL THE SINGLE MOST LIKELY OUTCOME. If you're only trying to win a small pool, you don't HAVE TO pick upsets. The larger the pool of participants, the more you gain by strategically placing upsets in your bracket.
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I understood that point completely, and it seems you understand my next point, that if you look at odds of winning with your bracket, the more cookie cutter you are, the more perfect you have to be on the other matches, and probably the less likely to win ESPN you are. But yes, you understand that because.. thats your statement =).
I always predict in a medium setting - I am to please myself with my bracket lol, as I know winning ESPN will never happen, and I go pretty safe but atleast take some stabs in our pool that might not be necessary (davidson>gtown for 20 points? then wi>dav, thats a worthless upset pick for a small pool, really)
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People loling over the grades are missing the point. The tournament results are completely irrelevant to the discussion.
If youre only trying to beat Golic head to head you are excused from taking four #1s, if you are Jay Bilas picking the final 4 back in October you are also excused.
What baffles me is that QB understands the issue but still went ahead and did it anyway.
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The hope the point of the grading was to embarrass yourself because that's all you accomplished.
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Grading them was pretty dumb. I guess it's interesting commentary to read, but it really means nothing.
Would you have graded my friend's bracket an F b/c he picked Texas A&M over UCLA in the 2nd round? It was a very close game, and it definitely could have happened. You're just comparing your opinions to ours and assigning some sort of grade. Didn't you have Gtown and Duke in your Final 4? If I was grading, I would have thought that was a dumb move since both seeds seemed overseeded at the time and easily capable of choking. If you don't want to be risky and just choose all #1 seeds in your final 4, that's one strategy, but you damn well better accumulate a ton of points early on if you want to win.
Whatever, point is, grading is stupid in this kind of a tournament.
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It's JOSH! I could NOT figure out who Quiet Bol is! And, yeah, maybe someone else should grade next year. Davidson and West Virginia were both solid Sweet Sixteen picks, and picking an all-#1 seed Final Four is not horrible, it's just overly safe.
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What a night! Memphis beat UCLA and Kansas beat UNC.
I can only get 2nd now in my pool since UCLA lost... but its okay, 2nd is still nice.
Recap of the Kansas/UNC game:
Kansas is up 40-12.
UNC catches up to be down by 4.
Kansas regains momentum and wins by 18.
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in my pool, if memphis wins, i tie for second. if kansas wins, i win. (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e)
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lol @ me clinching the win already (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e) D- bracket ftw. Shep = pwned
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My boys at UNC let me down. That first half was just heinous. I almost believed they were going to win it once they cut that lead down so much midway through the 2nd half, but I guess it was too much.
I don't think I have ever correctly predicted the champion since I started doing this several years ago.
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R. White was co-leader after the first round but subsequent rounds saw him slip, but never far from the top. 62 games have been played and one, the championship remains for Monday night and White is back at the top. If Kansas beats Memphis, White is the champ but if Memphis wins, White and Lemire will be tied and the tie-breaker kicks in. From ESPN's site, it'll be the difference between each team's actual score and the predicted score added together. The one with the lowest total would be declared the winner.
White's prediction: Kansas: 74, Memphis: 72
Lemire's prediction: Memphis: 112, Kansas: 98
If the game is low to average scoring, White has the edge. But if both offenses go wild, then Lemire has the advantage. Consider the mean: Memphis: 92, Kansas: 86. Again, this is only if Memphis wins.
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Yeah but I treated this as a joke and I'm Canadian and don't know anything about NCAA basketball. Everyone else really should be embarrassed.
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Yay, you cookie cut a bracket that happened to end up a cookie cutter result?
what an awful day of results, I despise memphis and kansas, and I doubt i'll watch much of the championship game, like the last few years - as I also despise florida sports
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the only kind of cookie cutter I know is the one that actually cuts cookies.
Come on guys, y'all know I'm just jockin' on ya. Obviously I just lol'd at these and I won so you know I'm gonna rub it in a little. Don't be hating on me cause I'm chirpin' its just how you gotta do it in a competition.
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Rockchalk Jayhawk ftw
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I think Ryan's got it. I expect Memphis to win, but I don't think the scoring will be so high as Lemire said.
What a lame Final Four. Honestly. Kansas goes on a defensive spurt good enough for the NBA Finals, then decide to play like crap and UNC gains 24 back, then they decide to play like crap and let it slip away. And I got really mad at UCLA for hardly ever getting it to Love.
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lol my random bracket did pretty well
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AAAAH
I just checked my 4 random brackets... found.. this one!
http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/entry?entryID=1452939&groupIdView=0&entryIDFrom=1452939
Rank 1553!!! I guess if Kansas pulls it off, I'd pass half of those people (doubt anybody ahead of me has their winner dead) but its looking like a top 1000 finish if Kansas wins. I guess I do have a rooting interest (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e)
23 / 32
11 / 16
7 / 8
4 / 4
2 / 2
Started off pretty awful, but the only blip in the last 2 weeks was Stanford > Texas.
The top bracket has 1400 points which is absolutely ridic, but I didn't view theirs yet
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OM,FG
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ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!!
Managed to get 2nd place in my money pool - $125!
Looks like I got 3rd in the elite pool, which is cool too!
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I should have put money on this. I won. pwned (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fhappy.gif&hash=7b9cd982f9a41f9aefcd7ea74682d5f1e4caf4c6)
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Kansas 75, Memphis 68 in overtime. Congratulations to R. White for coming out on top in our pool of 41.
Final Standings:
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ffs, can't anybody make a free throw?
*eyes today's espn.com poll*
Anyway, it's time for some fun statistical ANALysis that shep has specifically demanded. First off, here's a scatterplot of final scores in the contest vs. shep's grades:
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If you include all of the scores, the correlation (r) between grades and scores is an astounding 0.167. This means that shep's grades accounted for 2.8% of the variability of the scores. However, if you remove those two outliers in the bottom left corner, the relationship gets a bit stronger, but as QB suggested, also becomes negative (r = -0.276, r^2 = 0.076).
Another fun fact is that those earning A and B grades were outperformed by those with D and E grades with means of 830.5 and 980.9 respectively (2-tailed sig = 0.026).
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Nice one (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e)
My best bracket ended up 834th with 1450! My elite bracket was my 2nd best I believe, and was pwned, and I had a few even more pwned brackets. My favorites bracket was worse than 3,000,000th (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ffrown.gif&hash=9bb8520656650a7c2457ae0ae2ee8996e4109fd6) I dont even want to check the facebook one!
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Abridged Final Standings:
QB - A lot
Shep - Not so many
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Someone needs to change Shep's board title to "Worst Bracket Grader Ever."
Nice 22nd place finish Shep (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e)
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Mario Chalmers WOULD make a three at the very end to tie it.
Congratulations, Ryan. You lucky bastard. I'm so gonna win this next year.