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There have been many polls about what people think the limits of the missions are, but there has never been one that asks how much longer until we humanly max every single mission. What year do you think the last untied WR for each difficulty will be?
My prediction is
Agent: 2017
Secret Agent: 2023
00 Agent: 2040
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2008 agent
2009 both others
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The answer is however long the community lasts. Enough levels have enough variability so that a difficulty wont get maxed, simply nobody will do it.
Anyway, I think the last untieds will be 2013. I guess agent could be maxed in 2011 or 2012.
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"The answer is however long the community lasts."
But without considering that, I'd say like 2010 and 2020 for both others.
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it will never happen. Time is not finite and since we're dealing with improving times in a given time span, the two ends can never meet. No matter what there will always be more time to improve our times and so we will never see the answer to this question.
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there will always be untieds.
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Congrats Carathorn!
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thanks Goose! great choice of topic to put it in! (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fwink.gif&hash=4979046fbfc7ed25a03644bf608e503c4aa73f0f)
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I'm still not sure what I'm congratulating you on but Max told me to do it.
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Good question. Well Rayan could be playing for a good deal longer, so, could be quite awhile.
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i would say... agent is coming pretty soon. secret and 00 i guess for however long people play, i the people of the ge comunity today will stop speed running in less than 3 years... just my prediction thouh
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rofl @ Eddie's answer. If we play long enough, people much better than Ace will be playing.
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I simply answered the question of the topic with a reasonable explanation. Didn't say anything about whether he'd still be the best player or not, just that he could still be getting untieds, which is the subject matter of the topic.
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just seemed like an unnecessary opportunity to praise him to me.
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it's definitely necessary to praise the best gift to the elite in terms of speedrunning, especially when some dillhole like you takes every opportunity to belittle him.
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I don't see why that if time continues forever, so will GE speedrunning. Eventually, everybodies N64 will break, for one.
Second, just because people have been playing for like 10+ years now doesn't mean they will again. Activity and untieds, even WITH clemens and I., are on a steep decline, and most other new players who come in the next few years will have less ability and need more effort to even get to the point of setting untieds. Discouraged, not able to climb ranks as fast, etc., I doubt we'll see another GE player set an untied record who is not currently a part of the community.
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don't you guys remember in 2005? There were about 10 untieds for the entire year. Dan got 3, then Wouter 4, then Illu 2 and Alex 1. Now look what we got. I think in 07 we had 5 people who got 5 or more untieds each. You just can't predict how played it's going to be.
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Only time can tell, for all obove discussion. (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148)
I don't think its harder for new ppl to climb in the ranks really, on the other way almost, since you gain more points for a wr (ex dam 53) then you did lets say two years ago, the points alone should encourage players enough to try and tie the wr, also there are tons of vids out for everything wich probably helps alot more than ppl might realize. Its all about studying the vids, get what you see and try to do it yourself, maybe even improve some part, so I dont really agree with you octo.
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indeed, GE is only about studying vids and copying those! (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fwink.gif&hash=4979046fbfc7ed25a03644bf608e503c4aa73f0f)
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Don't Forget that I did some stuff in 05 too. (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fwink.gif&hash=4979046fbfc7ed25a03644bf608e503c4aa73f0f) (Frig 103, Cradles)
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indeed, GE is only about studying vids and copying those! (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fwink.gif&hash=4979046fbfc7ed25a03644bf608e503c4aa73f0f)
That goes for PD aswell. (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148)
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I doubt untied WRs will be done as long as most think. I mean if you think about it, Henning is probably one of the last great players who will ever come around, and Rayan when I talked to him seemed really sick of this game, I mean he may or may not be whoarding, but I dunno...
I wouldnt be surprised if the last untied is done in 2008.
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I just mean to say that new players in 2 years will have MUCH harder times ahead of them than new players 2 years ago (the current players). It took those players a ton of time to get to the point of setting an untied, and new players will take even longer. With a smaller community, less activity, etc., I think the motivation to put in that effort will be lacking in basically any new player.
Since starting updating, I have only added a few players - while some have put in some decent times, none are dedicated and most are just friends of players. Heck, who even joined in 2007? Goodspeedruntrainer, and no offense to him, as much as he plays and enjoys this game etc., he is a long ways off of setting untied records.
Should a new player come around, I think it would take YEARS to set an untied. Finally, it is really down to the players we have - and while I don't think the current players are nearing the point of the limits, clearly Clemens I. Boss Goose Cervone Illu Blom Alberto Santos Axel Z etc all have the potential in them and you can't cross off the list of potential untied setters in the next year, how many more years do you think the above list really has? A lot of us are graduating college, etc., and while this place has survived, it has never really survived for many individuals for long.
Today's active players may be great, but still..
untied records:
I. 12
Clemens 5
Boss 3
Goose 1
yet 50 WR holders. To reach the level of Boss, even for today's awesome players, will take a *long* time. Today's records, though not maxed, are still very very good.
That is just why I say there's only a few years left of untieds, even if this community doesn't die. I feel my explanation may not have been asked for needed or anybody cares, but I just had a quite decent amount of wine with dinner! (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e)
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Maxed? Whats maxed? How do we really know when a level is maxed? Is it maxed until someone maximises the maxed time? Is it maxed when Wouter maximises the time and declares it maxed? Is it maxed because TAS says so? Does any of the "Great Players" think that anytime is truly maxed?(given possible future knowledge) All I can say is that I will, at least, tie all Agent times by January 2016.(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148) If Armageddon hasnt happened before then.
Oh yeah..... lets enjoy "this" while it lasts. I dont want to get bogged down in a possible future of all levels being maxed on GE. Its the journey.... right? or is it the destination?
Octo opining is welcome in my book no matter how much wine he drank.(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e)
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I'll hold you to that, QH!
also, check my sig.. my times suck, and I'm not settling with them!
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Obviously, a level is 'maxed' when Bully plays it.
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I'm the updater, and when I say a time is maxed, you sure as hell better not try to post a faster one (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fwink.gif&hash=4979046fbfc7ed25a03644bf608e503c4aa73f0f). So I guess it is ME who decides when a time is maxed!!
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Clark once said in a GE WR update that Trent and I may be the last Goldeneye Greats out there, which obviously wasn't true but it looked that way in 2004. I'll just go ahead and assume we'll all find a way, even at age 40 and 50, to stick around the website and follow up what new guys' records will be set. I'm sure guys like Eddie and I (who right now are n00bs at GE but can potentially get untieds) will crank out some ridiculous times quite a few years from now. I think it's safe to say this website will never die, and neither will speedrunning.
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if that is true, then yuo didn't really retire! but then again, we've always said noone retires forever all the time!
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The same can be said about Favre! He'll be wearing a vikes jersey for week 1 @ the pack.
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Favre would be stupid to have.. We'd give up too much for a guy that barely has any years left.
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Some asian guy who apparently didn't retire.
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I'd give anything to see Favre play for the Vikings, I'd get to see him get his ass kicked both by Urlacher and by the Packers!
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Why even ask that, man? What makes you think the world will even last that long? It's like some people have a better chance at winning the lotto than that happening. Maybe you runboys go so fast you fail to see the big picture. I mean back in the day seeing an untie by Boss was really the moment but we know more than we did before so you can say it all becomes history.
Also, I'm not always a genius, but you've noticed I'm more likely to be nicer to the guys that put up our times than other speedrunners as the updaters make sure everyone else can see it. And I've said before that it's not always about running, but about waiting for that one year when you get an untie. Some people say it doesn't mean any more than how long 'you' spend playing, and maybe what you're capable of.
And if you're not good at runing you're surely good elsewhere, like maybe having a normal life. But that doesn't matter as you've obviously enjoyed playing a lot more. You stuck with it for a certain amount of space while others gave it up long before you.
I'll stop there, I know this post isn't long enough for some of you and I won't go into predictions. Sometimes you can make all the right moves and still lose, so don't feel bad if we never know the fastest time.
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there'd be nothing to update if it wasn't for us speedrunners.
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There won't be any untieds after 2015, I don't think. Certainly not from me...I might be done with this game now.
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we ALL say that T-Dog! (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e)
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the games will be done for in time. once the current greats have lost interest, it will be very hard for newcomers to have any motivation to play hard with no one around to care, the WR's being so nearly perfect on a hard to perfect game only makes things worse for them, Extreme skill+time requirement + no one left to care = GE/PD Death.
I say that will probably happen within 10 years, maybe 2015? as for difficulties, I say agent is maxed by 2010(aztec still has a second or two and maybe silo and control
Secret agent and 00 Agent will never be maxed, whether people continue to play or not.
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Well said Jimbo! (the post about GE anyways)
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I personally dont think any player who isnt in the top 3 can get an untied WR right now. (not counting Surface 2 SA)
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Statue SA could be untied by a few right now. Frigate is unpredictable and could be untied. Goose could do silo, Depot 00 could be untied by a few probly.
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I don't think many can untie depot 00, unless you count 2.3
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I'm fairly sure luke could but he probably retired? Not sure who else though. Not many i'd think
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Typical Clemens-like statement (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fwink.gif&hash=4979046fbfc7ed25a03644bf608e503c4aa73f0f)
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Being capable of an untied isnt the same thing as getting one though.
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ROFL CLEMENS. So Illu or I couldn't get an untied on Aztec, Jungle (Illu) or Silo, Frigate (me)? That's quite the bold statement you have there!
I'm sure even a guy like Leonardo or Glen could get an untied if the conditions are right.
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Besides Clemens. Boss hasn't played in forever it seems and you're the one constantly talking about retiring and how gay the game is. Doesn't it seem like Ace is the only reasonable guy to get untieds? I might even think Wouter is the #2 most likely with all the contest win and momentum and stuff right now.
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Luke never even got 50, you basically have to cake 49 fails to ever dream of getting a 49 completed.
To say many are capable of 218 is pretty absurd, every 219 I have seen is complete garbage besides Bryans and Rayans, both of which players are in the top 3.
Silo is pretty much off limits for anyone but Rayan, just dont see anyone capable of 109 or 122, 101 is the least likely.
Frigate is the best bet I guess, but given how annoying consistent 101 fails are (at least on ntsc, if pal is advantaged), I doubt anyone but someone insane enough to be uber consistent and have infinite free time can do 101, 107 00A is pretty much top 3 material, even failing one is tough the way he did it imo.
Facility SA is another possibility, but given how Santos struggled for 45, i doubt he can do 53, and the others with 54 are in the top 3.
To bring up Aztec is probably the dumbest thing I've seen in my entire life. 136 might be the #1 wr right now, good luck beating that. Well I think either Silo 123 or 136 are the #1 wrs, anyway. and Jungle? Okay maybe 52 is possible on PAL, we all know 54 00A is at least, probably 53 with insane 10 bullet xenia strat, but I really dont see any potential there, again, for anyone outside the top 3.
I'm just saying, there are people who play for some good times to try and impress people, but then there are people who take the game to a completely different level and play for insanity, and I really think that in this age you have to do that to get untieds, its just when I see people like Glen going ape shit about 219s, I dont see any untied potential for them. I mean fuck, Bryan has like what, 50 219s? (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Flaugh.gif&hash=657f1346088ce2081c398c7379c3a47e4cf5861b)
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Oh, maybe I should of posted them with no special font/colour, maybe then I could have 'untied potential'.
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if you don't think I can do Silo SA 1:09, Frigate 1:01/1:07 or less, or Streets A 1:12, then you need a reality check.
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I was happy about 219s as well, dont get me wrong, but Im just saying that in general people still get happy about getting them, but yet 218 is such a huge step up from 219.
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thraw out and freeze over and over again to find out.
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Streets 1:12? Have you ever had 10:0 or better, Ryan? I would be STUNNED if that happened (and I wouldn't believe it until I saw a vid of it, with the cursor moving on the end screen).
But, heck yeah, you can still get untieds!
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Woll has had more than 10 boosts on streets.
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And got 1:14 (or 1:15?). More boosts is often a result of poorer strafing.
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Neither, it was on Secret Agent and he tied the then-WR of 1:58 (was before lookdown was being used).
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-boost at start
-boost at first roadblock
-2 boosts at 2nd roadblock
-running through fire GL boost
-6 GL boosts
+ whatever at the end, we've seen 3:0 on my 1:55. Mind you, working these into the 6GL would be tough but we still have 11:0 if the only boosts at the end are from GL. These are all independent boosts as well. I think you can get one after turning the corner after getting the GL as well. I wouldn't be surprised if 15:0 is possible and alas 1:11 is the max, if not 1:10 with better strafing. 1:12 is clearly possible.
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I think there will be no more new untieds during Wouter's reign (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e).
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Why you think so?
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he will find a way to de-validate them.
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yours will be invalid by default.
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no shit. That shit's exactly the downfall of all this stupidity that is the elite.net. Wouter is going to allow personal shit fucks into his opinions like fucking over good people like me. That's exactly the reason we need to get out. Now.
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yours will be invalid by default.
does anyone else read this? Wouter is no longer allowing any of my times on the ranks even though I follow the proof policy dead on along with very few other eliters. Talk about discrimination and personal issues getting involved in the line of justice.
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yeah hopefully Wouter was joking..... but even a joke like that from a person who actually has the power to... well just read my SIG..... is a red flag for me.
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red flag? do you even read white's posts that are white of accusations and name callings etc towards me and many other eliters? he fully deserves to be treated like shit.
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Wouter, I have no problem with you treating me like shit, since I treat you like shit it's only fair. What I do have a problem with is you abusing your privileges as updater specifically against me because you have personal issues with me. That's probably the most immature and unproductive way to use your powers. Taking a fully legit player off the ranks because you don't like him... I don't even know what to say. Maybe just point out you are Wouter Jansen after all.
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looks to me like you've still been 5th all the time I've been updating.
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What I do have a problem with is you abusing your privileges as updater specifically against me because you have personal issues with me. That's probably the most immature and unproductive way to use your powers. Taking a fully legit player off the ranks because you don't like him...
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He has what? Funny that I still see you as rank #5 there.
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He showed the potential to Otto.
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I doubt untied WRs will be done as long as most think. I mean if you think about it, Henning is probably one of the last great players who will ever come around, and Rayan when I talked to him seemed really sick of this game, I mean he may or may not be whoarding, but I dunno...
I wouldnt be surprised if the last untied is done in 2008.
rofl @ this quote :kappa:
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Silo is pretty much off limits for anyone but Rayan, just dont see anyone capable of 109
SUCK MY DICK CLEMENS