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Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: SimThreat on October 09, 2008, 10:09:00 pm: Zeitgeist: Addendum is the second installment of the Zeitgeist phenomenon created by Peter Joseph. I know a lot of you disagreed with the first movie and may be hesitant to watch this, but I highly recommend giving it a try.

Addendum talks about the monetary system and why it is fraudulent and ultimately leeds to a small percentage of people being rich and a large percentage of people being poor. It seeks to shed more light on why the monetary system is set up the way it is and also expose the immense negative repercussions on most of the general population by having this system in place.

The second half of the film talks largely about The Venus Project (http://www.thevenusproject.com/ (http://www.thevenusproject.com/)). It stresses the need for a cultural shift away from money and towards a resource based economy.

Here is the link to the movie:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/)

This video is a must for anyone who is interested in understanding more about why society is the way it is and for those who seek to create a better world in any way they can.
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: youseinthehouse on October 09, 2008, 11:48:00 pm: (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%2F2305%2F2408506560_9f0841efaa.jpg%3Fv%3D0&hash=43250cdf552d346a8a3207f23644e5edf2eea2a0)
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: SimThreat on October 10, 2008, 12:47:00 am: Youse has already read this post.
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: RWG on October 10, 2008, 01:19:00 am: I agree with Youse. Also, Thiradell is quite gay.
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: Thiradell on October 10, 2008, 01:20:00 am: Ryan White is a wonderful person.
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: octoinky on October 10, 2008, 01:31:00 am: I laughed my ass off at that pic, personally. I don't have the time to check this out right now, will consider tomorrow.
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: wishiwasfamous on October 10, 2008, 01:51:00 am: Saw right through the bullshit in Karl's post and came to the same conclusion Youse did.
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: RWG on October 10, 2008, 02:43:00 am: I just realized I need to put High School Musical 3 on my next films to watch list, but this will certainly come afterwards. Don't sweat it Karl! We're all in this together.
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: youseinthehouse on October 10, 2008, 02:50:00 am: It's a joke guy, lighten up-- isn't this your entire mantra-- chilling out and whatnot? Nobody is going to be convinced not to watch your movie based on a silly internet meme jpeg. A shining example here is octo, who already said he both found the picture hilarious but also expressed curiosity on the film. I made no effort to convince others not to watch it, and posted my thoughts in a manner both joking and representative. Heck, if I ever get enough free time to skim through it this semester, I might-- if only to educate and armor myself against viewpoints of those with which I wholeheartedly disagree.

If you don't want adverse opinions, don't post on a message board where people with adverse opinions are free to post as they please. Saddened? By a posting on cyberspace? A true social activist wouldn't be so deterred at the first sign of disagreement.
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: SimThreat on October 10, 2008, 03:24:00 am: Youse, I have never, ever claimed to be a true social activist. Nor have I ever claimed to have achieved moral perfection and a complete control of my emotions. I feel as though you posted only to be annoying, for why else would you post an opinion about a film that you have not seen yet. Why would you post your opinion on anything that you have no experience with unless to be irratating.

I would love for people to have opposing opinions about the video, and for them to explain their reasoning. What I don't want is people posting non-constructive put downs based on preconceptions.
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: Red Bull on October 10, 2008, 04:58:00 am: Before I watch..

Is the resource based economy basically the same as the resource based view of a company? If it isn't, does anyone care to explain the differences?
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: SimThreat on October 10, 2008, 06:08:00 am: In this context it refers to the resources of the earth becoming the property of all of the inhabitants on it. At this time we have the technology and the resources to produce clean energy, housing, food, etc for everyone on the planet. The only thing preventing this from happening is the fact that with the current monetary system in place it would require a lot of money and the people who own that money are not willing to spend it on this cause. When in reality the monetary system is counter-productive to the human race and prevents a lot of problems from being fixed.
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: flukey lukey on October 10, 2008, 02:28:00 pm: i think these films are terrific, open-minded, mind-opening and interesting. ill watch it once my internet becomes un-capped
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: Matis on October 10, 2008, 03:11:00 pm: i've yet to see the first one but at my old job a co-worker told me about it and it did sound really interesting. i'll try to watch both of those soon...
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on October 10, 2008, 10:36:00 pm: WTF Thiradell?

(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Feek.gif&hash=5fc5b032ffecc0869b61bad31bcee959c46eea9d)
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: Time was untied when set. on October 11, 2008, 12:49:00 am: I thought this was a very educational and alarming video. It really opened my eyes to how pathetic society really is, I mean I already knew it was, but to see that banks are indeed a complete scam and shit really makes this video essential for anyone imo.

The only reason Youse is complaining is probably because he went to business school or something, and works for a firm. At least i think he does?
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: RWG on October 11, 2008, 03:37:00 am: you have to realize that while banks may be a scam, the people involved with banking and money are winning, and they have power. So why should they bother to give it up and become losers?
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: SimThreat on October 11, 2008, 04:06:00 am: They will never give it up. The public has to take matters into their own hands and boycott them. I think it may be possible after the economy collapses.
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: RWG on October 11, 2008, 04:09:00 am: In order for that to happen, we essentially need to stop buying product of any kind, which means when it comes down to it, eventually boycotting even going to work. You would have to stop buying things, so the companies would cut jobs, and this would happen until no one has a job anymore and there is no transfer of funds or goods. It would be a battle for survival and basically society in it's entirety would reset itself.

Then it would all happen again. Really, what's the point?
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: SimThreat on October 11, 2008, 05:54:00 am: All that has to happen is that most of the general public become aware of the full picture. It doesn't have to happen again. In the past money has been very necessary in order to ration out the resources. However, in today's world technology is advanced enough so that we can produce plenty of resources for everyone easily.
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: youseinthehouse on October 13, 2008, 12:10:00 am: Who is "david n clemens" and why does this person think he or she knows me? I have never worked for a "firm", whatever that means.
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: dragondragon18 on October 13, 2008, 10:44:00 am: My guess is that he's David N Clemens. A far out guess, I know, but it's worth a shot (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e)
Title: Zeitgeist: Addendum
Post by: rshepherd1000 on October 16, 2008, 04:05:00 pm: I watched both over the last couple of days.

Like a lot of films of their kind, there are a number of interesting observations throughout (although the first one contains very little original material). However I more or less stopped reading books and watching documentaries on these issues because what happens is this:

1. I watch film/read book
2. By doing so things are revealed to me which, whilst momentarily engaging and illuminating, make me sad/depressed/angry/confused
3. I resume my life as before

Clearly the issues raised are important. However my inability to subsequently do anything about them, and the lack of specific guidance provided as to how I can address these circumstances, makes the whole experience of educating myself in this manner very dissatisfying.