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Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: l337 on October 31, 2008, 11:05:00 am: I just got back from seeing this, and didn't leave the cinema feeling like I enjoyed it as much as I thought I might have.

There is enough action in it to still clasify it as a 'high paced action movie', and enough stunts and explosions to fullfil the quota but I really felt like the plot didn't go deep enough. The movie just didn't "flow" well for me.. I kind of felt it was
[storyline]
[explosion/stunt/chase]
[ storyline ]
[explosion/stunt/chase].

I know that's how a lot of movies work, but these almost felt seperate from each other. It was slow to get into the actual plot too.

GOOD:
Daniel Craig did fine again
Locations were nice
Explosions/Stunts were visually good

BAD:
Storyline didn't go deep enough, and was slow to uncover
Bond girl, she didn't do anything for me!

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Overall for me, this film is a 6.5/10

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Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: AZ on October 31, 2008, 06:33:00 pm: I just got home after watching QoS on the cinemas. I agree with I337, QoS didn't flow well for me either; I didn't have any high expectations considering the film hadn't got any high reports from the critics. Casino Royale was MUCH better than this imo. I give it a 4/10.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Jimbo on October 31, 2008, 09:15:00 pm: Gah this comes out like November 18 for us, lucky bastards! I'm like the biggest James Bond fan ever so I'll probably post a biased 9/10+ review when I DO see it!
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: RWG on October 31, 2008, 10:36:00 pm: SPOILERS: This thread has no spoilers in it.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: l337 on October 31, 2008, 11:21:00 pm: bond dies

happy now
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Worlds-One on November 01, 2008, 01:26:00 pm: lol well that aint cool.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: vitor on November 01, 2008, 02:24:00 pm: I like the name "lolace".
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Fal2002 on November 03, 2008, 07:49:00 pm: I thought it was a good movie, obviously not as good as Casino Royale but the thing i do miss is the bond music throughout the film. To me it doesn't feel like a bond film without the theme during the film, it would be like having an Indiana Jones or Star Wars film without their associated music during the film.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: AZ on November 03, 2008, 08:39:00 pm: Yeah, the problems with QoS is that it felt too Bourne alike. Bourne is Bourne and Bond is Bond, that's the way it should be. I really disliked the fact that QoS was so Bourne inspired. The filmmakers once again did the mistake not to include classic elements in a Bond film (no James Bond theme, no Moneypenny or Q, hardly no sex etc) and I didn't find the villain threatening at all.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: PDplum on November 04, 2008, 10:01:00 am: Acke that was exactly what i was going to say.

I was very disappointed with Q/Moneypenny's absence. It should have been called quantum of mediocrity or bourne of solace

overall 4/10
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: rshepherd1000 on November 04, 2008, 10:15:00 am: QoS is awesome on so many levels
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: RWG on November 05, 2008, 04:30:00 am: Does plum not realize Q died and is replaced by R?
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: rshepherd1000 on November 05, 2008, 06:18:00 am: Do you not realise that he was R whilst the existing Q was still active (twine) and assumed the title Q after his departure (dad)
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: wishiwasfamous on November 14, 2008, 05:39:00 am: It was an ok film. Daniel Craig pwned of course. 6/10.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Red Bull on November 14, 2008, 06:58:00 am: Seen it too, pretty average but still entertaining like always. Kickass theme song which got stuck in my head forever. Most of the "bad" and "good" elements have been said so far, and I mostly agree with them. Though don't forget that it would be boring to see all elements in every Bond movie coming back everytime, so I don't mind a few things (like no gadgets, no scary villain) being not in this movie. 7/10 or so.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: RWG on November 14, 2008, 11:44:00 pm: lol max. Alicia Keys and Jack White's Another Way to Die is kickass to you? Come on. It's a shitty song I can't stand listening to, and I like bad music.

and wtf at no gadgets and no Q and no Moneypenny. That shit is WHACK.
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Post by: Scrambler Fanny on November 15, 2008, 06:41:00 pm: ^agreed Goose. they need to bring back some of the elements that make a James Bond movie a James Bond movie! but that said, i still enjoyed Quantum Of Solace. i very much hope that they bring some clarity to the story in the next one, along AT LEAST either Moneypenny or Q!
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Post by: RWG on November 15, 2008, 07:14:00 pm: I haven't seen it yet, just going off what others have said (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e)
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Lovins on November 15, 2008, 10:51:00 pm: ^The others are right, sadly. I just got home from it and was pretty disappointed. Exactly what you guys said about the villain, plot pattern, Bond girl, etc.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Time was untied when set. on November 17, 2008, 07:30:00 am: I haven't seen it, but didnt Casino Royale suffer from the same elements? I mean how is this new one any different than Casino Royale, which gets rave reviews? I personally didnt like the movie much, but everyone seems to think its great, so Im just curious as to why this movie is supposedly much worse.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: RWG on November 17, 2008, 07:41:00 am: because in this movie Bond misses the BA and has a 140 elevator death.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: AZ on November 17, 2008, 08:29:00 am: Quote from: david n clemens
I haven't seen it, but didnt Casino Royale suffer from the same elements? I mean how is this new one any different than Casino Royale, which gets rave reviews? I personally didnt like the movie much, but everyone seems to think its great, so Im just curious as to why this movie is supposedly much worse.
Everything was worse in QoS compared to Casino Royale imo. The plot, the villain, the girl, the title song, the action scenes etc etc. Casino Royale may have been a bit long, but QoS was definitely too short. Like we've said before, the movie didn't flow well.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Red Bull on November 17, 2008, 08:54:00 am: The title song was awesome, come on..
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on November 17, 2008, 09:51:00 am: lol Max, the theme song was awful....

And AWFUL movie.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on November 17, 2008, 12:07:00 pm: QoS wasn't awful! it was a very solid action movie. the writers or whoever i think took a bit too much of the "Bond" elements out of it. so that whilst it remains a good action movie, it's simply a decent to good Bond movie, imo.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: RWG on November 17, 2008, 02:56:00 pm: yeah, I bet what Fanny is saying is true. It's still a decent action film for good entertainment value for the 2 hours going to the theatre and seeing it, but as a Bond film, it sucks.

I'm going to see it tomorrow (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148)
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Time was untied when set. on November 18, 2008, 02:55:00 am: Yeah Axel, but you didnt really answer my question. What i am saying is that Casino Royale was already very similar to the Boune series and didnt really feel like james bond to me although I quite frankly have only seen a few bond films, Im just wondering why QoS is so much worse if its the same general concept of what James Bond is with Daniel Craig. Although I understand if the reason its bad is because the story/whatever was worse, but I guess Ill have to see it to decide.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Lovins on November 18, 2008, 01:49:00 pm: I thought Casino Royale was much better and a good Bond film.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: RWG on November 18, 2008, 10:27:00 pm: Just got back from Quantum of Solace.

Firstly, the absence of Moneypenny and Q did not bother me whatsoever. They replaced this with the crazy MI-6 information center which, although I do love Q, I found this much more intriguing and certainly more bad ass.

The biggest reason I thoroughly enjoyed this film is because I felt that Bond was portrayed as the most awesome bad-ass motherfucker possible. Everything he did was with such intense intent and masculinity. Bond really defined "man" in this film doing exactly what he knew was right. I just thought his character was so perfectly portrayed and very inspiring.

The bond girls were hot too. There wasn't as much sex in this film but I certainly did not mind. The chicks were sweet and the way he dealt with them was again with such a perfectly manly character. It was awesome.

Overall Quantum of Solace is probably my favorite Bond movie and definitely my favorite of my lifetime. I don't know why people say it sucks so much. It was brilliantly enthralling and I entirely loved the persona portrayed by Bond. Just awesome.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Time was untied when set. on November 18, 2008, 11:39:00 pm: Kay.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Lovins on November 19, 2008, 01:43:00 pm: That combined with your hatred of The Dark Knight definitely ranks you among the worst movie critics ever. (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148)
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Post by: Thiradell on November 19, 2008, 02:23:00 pm: lol Goose.

This movie was not very good. It was impossible to tell what was happening in a couple scenes (car chase at the start, Mitchell fight shortly after) because of the terrible camerawork. Bourne Ultimatum approaches this with confusing layouts of some fights, but it's still coherent; I couldn't tell what was going on hardly at all at the start. The story and villain were both weak, I agree with L337 about it being -storyline-action scene-storyline-action scene. Everything seemed disjointed, Bond's relationship with the girls was forced and unconvincing (he wooed the redhead pretty fast). The villain from Casino Royale was far better, as was the whole story of that movie. Bond's relationship with Vesper is one of the best I've ever seen portrayed in a movie. I give Quantum of Solace a 5/10; I didn't think it was good at all, other then a couple relatively cool action scenes.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: AZ on November 19, 2008, 04:20:00 pm: lol Goose.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: RWG on November 19, 2008, 05:04:00 pm: You guys are all fags. QoS was awesome.

TDK still is shite. I'd say QoS is the best movie I've seen of the year, a bit ahead of Iron Man.
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Post by: Scrambler Fanny on November 19, 2008, 05:14:00 pm: (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Froll.gif&hash=196327eb634134e9253b02da1d2119d329c46332) @ Goose! while i do agree that Daniel Craig was a bad muthertrucker this time around, (did anyone else take notice of the fact that he physically plowed through walls and bulkheads and other solid objects that probably would've killed any regular schmoe?) and i did enjoy the movie (solid action, decent story and i didn't think the villain was horrible) i still think it ranks around 8-12th place among all the Bond movies. and i waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay agree with the actuary that Goose's hatred of The Dark Knight allow him ZERO credence to anything film-wise! (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148)

BTW lol @ Clems post! (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Flaugh.gif&hash=657f1346088ce2081c398c7379c3a47e4cf5861b)
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: RWG on November 19, 2008, 05:20:00 pm: The Dark Knight is sooooooooooooo uninteresting and tries to make up for it by one great acting performance and grandiose Hollywood movie cinematography and production.

Yeah the production of TDK is great, but no matter how well you produce a film, if the film is still boring, you will still get a boring film.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: AZ on November 19, 2008, 05:42:00 pm: well said, though I found it entertaining from time to time. But it is so damn overrated according to the imdb list it becomes silly. I've been to other sites on the net, both swedish and english, where real moviecritics reviewed the film and many of them gave TDK 3/5. Ledger's death must have made the people who votes on imdb favorising the movie
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Post by: Scrambler Fanny on November 19, 2008, 07:53:00 pm: bah!
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Post by: Thiradell on November 19, 2008, 11:29:00 pm: There is such a thing as a character-driven movie...
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Post by: RWG on November 19, 2008, 11:33:00 pm: and only 1% or less of people who watch movies know what that means and where to look for it. Don't tell me everyone in the world likes TDK because THEY KNOW that it is character driven.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Time was untied when set. on November 20, 2008, 08:16:00 am: Yeah, TDK was mediocre, I saw it once and that was enough for me.

Good vs evil is just boring and overdone, no real point to the movie. Like I said before, V for Vendetta is far better.
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Post by: RWG on November 20, 2008, 08:21:00 am: ugh Clem. I hated V for Vendetta and though it was even more uninteresting than TDK, but V for Vendetta is a very... Clemens movie. V just really bothered me in places I didn't want to be bothered, though I can actually understand why people like it and find it compelling.
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Post by: Time was untied when set. on November 20, 2008, 04:30:00 pm: Well Dark Knight is obviously worth a watch, I mean it isnt by any means a bad movie, I just didnt walk away from the theater feeling like I experienced something I didnt expect...it was just kinda predictable and like I said the whole good vs evil theme is just kinda stupid.
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Post by: Scrambler Fanny on November 22, 2008, 03:42:00 am: did anyone see the trailer for The Watchmen when they went and saw QoS? holy tidbiscuit! this is the second trailer that i've seen for The Watchmen and this movie is really starting to attract me! that movie looks like it has the potential to be sick-crazy and hectified good! (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fhappy.gif&hash=7b9cd982f9a41f9aefcd7ea74682d5f1e4caf4c6) we shall see! i only got to like the 30th page or so in the novel, but i never finished it. looks like i better get on that!
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Post by: Infil on November 22, 2008, 04:09:00 am: Quantum of lolace indeed!
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Post by: SimThreat on November 22, 2008, 04:19:00 am: V for your mum
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Post by: RWG on November 22, 2008, 02:27:00 pm: fan, they showed some crazy trailer for "2012" with a monk running up to a temple in the mountains, ringing a big ancient bell and then water rushes over the mountains and destroys the temple with the captions "How would the governments of the world's countries prepare 6 billion people for the end of the world?... They wouldn't"

THAT looks pretty bad ass if you ask me. I'm really looking forward to 2012. I've always wanted to be one of those remaining survivors after a nuclear holocaust or asteroid hit or whatever so I really hope this all comes through for me.

Also note that if that happens and I survive, humans will go back to living off instinct, which means there is a good chance for me to get laid.
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Post by: rshepherd1000 on November 24, 2008, 05:08:00 am: Its unclear whether Goose is just trying to deliberately go against everyone elses opinion (but mine), but his reasons for liking the film are well put.
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Post by: RWG on November 24, 2008, 02:20:00 pm: No, I seriously dislike TDK and loved QoS. There are many times where I like to troll and say retarded shit but this certainly isn't one of them.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: flukey lukey on November 24, 2008, 02:58:00 pm: i like Bond films, and personally thought Casino Royal was the best one ive ever seen. Daniel Craig is one of the sickest action stars too. i thought QoS had decent acting. i just thought it was a mess of a film; totally uninteresting, annoying and confusing editing for the action scenes, not enough character development and a plot that never works. oh and who the fuck cast the villain? what a dissapointment

Batman, although not a masterpiece was seriously awesome, and a masterpiece compared to this crap
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Post by: Carathorn on November 25, 2008, 12:06:00 am: i've went to the theaters to see it last night.

with Casino Royale, my comments were:
- good thing they tried to change the bond-image to an image that fits it time better, but horrible execution of it. Terrible casting of Bond, no charisma, etc I could go on about Craig screwing up for hours.

with QoS, I can only say:
- MANY times better executed as a whole. even Bond was acceptable, he really impressed me to be honest. He was...cooler, more charsima, more Bond overall. 100x better performance then on CR.
- Insane action. Really well executed, the action was very intense. Still have to get used to a "bleeding" Bond though, but yeah it was good (imo).
- Bond girl was awesome too. Really a good looking girl, and she was special. Not too much character development, but who the hell expects that from a Bond movie anyway? Thank god it wasnt some n00bish Barbie.
- Theme song: GREAT writing skills from Jack White. I mean, the instrumental opening etc was amazing Bond-ish, but why o why Alicia Keys was even in the song still beats me. She totally screwed it up. Especially the OOOOHOOOHOHOOHOOOOOO part was HORRIBLE. thats sounded as good as grunting would have been in the song. also the chorus barely rise above the quality of "Die another Day" and was poorly, poorly written and executed. so a missed oppurtunity there.
- bad guy: I actually liked him, I though he was pretty scary lol. he had that "maniac" look.

Well I really liked Casino Royale as an action movie, it wasnt bond for me at all. This one was way better already. Editing of the movie was in some parts almost experimental but I enjoyed it. I was really disappointed for no gunbarrel opening, but it was at the end and that was pretty cool as well. Not to forget the AWESOME main Bond theme kicks in and I will hate the songwriter of that forever for writing such an Epic tune. I kept seated until that tune was over (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e)
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: Matt-Cook1 on November 25, 2008, 04:07:00 am: Yeah... pretty dull flick

Action was fake action and the plot was... lacking.
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Post by: Thiradell on November 25, 2008, 06:51:00 pm: I entirely agree with everything Luke said. The reason Bond was not necessarily as "charismatic" in Casino Royale is because he had feelings for Vesper. He was still suave and cool regardless, and I thought the character arc from Royale to this movie was great.
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Post by: flukey lukey on November 30, 2008, 12:03:00 pm: Cara would make a worse movie critic than Ryan lol
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Post by: Scrambler Fanny on November 30, 2008, 03:29:00 pm: ouch! that's bad! (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148)
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Post by: Carathorn on November 30, 2008, 06:05:00 pm: well i'm not even trying to be a good critic, its just what I think of it. that's all, I thought the fucking topic was about it.
Title: Quantum of lolace [spoilers]
Post by: RWG on November 30, 2008, 08:09:00 pm: Yeah, fuck you guys. You guys are all shit heads. I liked QoS and it's one of my favorite Bond movies, and if that offends you, then good. You should be sucking my dick anyways.
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Post by: Red Bull on November 30, 2008, 08:22:00 pm: As long as the floor doesn't creak it doesn't make me surly.
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Post by: afanoftheKing on November 30, 2008, 11:44:00 pm: REEEEEEEEEEEELAX Ryan, i also enjoyed QoS! you ok?