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Title: Most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my life
Post by: octoinky on December 17, 2008, 03:26:00 am: http://www.jameslikecoulter.tv/ (http://www.jameslikecoulter.tv/)

This guy is an average joe good GH player, and must have paid thousands of dollars to put this website together. Professional photos, you can buy a fucking wall calendar of him, etc.

Somebody needs to make one of these for an eliter, IMO.
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Post by: RWG on December 17, 2008, 04:04:00 am: BRO. Tonight after the bar me and 4 guys were in the pizza pizza and this 16 yr old dude wnated to fight us. I told him I would fight him at StarCraft, Counter Strike, WoW, Rock Paper Scissors, he refused. Then we went outside and he got his boys and they were chirping us and we got our pizzas and left. I think that is more pathetic TO BE HONST MAN.
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Post by: Matis on December 17, 2008, 06:22:00 am: wow i'd like to beat the shit out of this kid already...what a homo.

seriously shove this fag into a locker
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Post by: SimThreat on December 17, 2008, 08:02:00 am: You've never looked into a mirror?
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Post by: SimThreat on December 17, 2008, 08:06:00 am: (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.satx.rr.com%2Fclaneva%2Fowned.jpg&hash=bb2a82be7fc76b7a6b4ea119ad420976f7263f27)
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Post by: RWG on December 17, 2008, 09:39:00 am: If you think THIS is pathetic you should see my personal professional website for picking up chicks.

KIDDING PICKING UP CHICKS IS FUCKING GAY.
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Post by: Soft-Hedwig on December 17, 2008, 10:49:00 am: I recommend fling.com
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Post by: Lovins on December 17, 2008, 01:53:00 pm: Haha wow that is just sad.
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Post by: Scrambler Fanny on December 17, 2008, 02:51:00 pm: ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!

Karl, i'm crying that picture was crazy-causing-me-tears-funny!!

(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Froll.gif&hash=196327eb634134e9253b02da1d2119d329c46332) (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Froll.gif&hash=196327eb634134e9253b02da1d2119d329c46332) (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Froll.gif&hash=196327eb634134e9253b02da1d2119d329c46332)
Title: Most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my life
Post by: vitor on December 17, 2008, 11:53:00 pm: Haha, this website is indeed fucking pathetic, I thought you were exagerating
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Post by: alexaxxem on December 18, 2008, 02:38:00 am: yeah... dude. worst thing i have seen since the movie australia... which was 3 hours ago
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Post by: RWG on December 18, 2008, 02:47:00 am: why did you see it? Girlfriend?
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Post by: Fal2002 on December 18, 2008, 10:51:00 am: Not only is the website pathetic, he looks like blonde version of Shade! (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1adea417e08e9042f9ce1a5426616bf29f2ca20e)
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Post by: Djie on December 18, 2008, 12:33:00 pm: You haven't seen me recently did you? My hair is much shorter :P
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Post by: flukey lukey on December 18, 2008, 02:23:00 pm: this kid is fucking LOL
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Post by: Time was untied when set. on December 18, 2008, 02:58:00 pm: Henning is going to help me make one for me, I'm gonna have like 20 pics of me holding my N64 controller.
Title: Most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my life
Post by: alexaxxem on December 18, 2008, 04:53:00 pm: Quote from: RWhiteGoose
why did you see it? Girlfriend?
CLOSE! 3 friends and one had his friend which happened to be a girl.
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Post by: RWG on December 18, 2008, 08:28:00 pm: So you let 1 of your friends bitch 3 of you into seeing Australia because his gf wanted to see it. I'm not sure who's more whipped, him, or you three... (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148)
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Post by: Matis on December 18, 2008, 10:21:00 pm: I saw the part where they shot a kangaroo... but that was pretty gay as well.
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Post by: Wody on December 18, 2008, 11:22:00 pm: Well the asshole is good at GH he aced Raining Blood before anyone else did and he has also aced jordan i mean i use to play GH and was fairly good but i suck ass now but you have to agree that he is good even though he is Gay as hell lol
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Post by: SupaOdin on December 19, 2008, 07:43:00 pm: Wow, that kid is a faggot.
Title: Most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my life
Post by: Time was untied when set. on December 20, 2008, 01:56:00 am: The difference is that only losers play Guitar Hero because they suck too much to play a real instrument.

And GE is actually a good game.
Title: Most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my life
Post by: RWG on December 20, 2008, 02:08:00 am: Actually David, most GH players can also play the guitar for real. At least most of the top level players can.

And it's just a game. The same could be said about us. We could be out in the warzone killing 100s of Iraqis instead, no?
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Post by: Ngamer on December 20, 2008, 03:19:00 am: So this guy is kind of the GH equivalent of marsh? Was a trailblazer for PRs that amazed people in the early days and gained legendary status that way, but never followed up on the early success by maintaining top level play, and now is semi-retired but continues to get by mainly on his supremely attractive good looks?
Title: Most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my life
Post by: alexaxxem on December 20, 2008, 06:28:00 am: Quote from: david n clemens
Henning is going to help me make one for me, I'm gonna have like 20 pics of me holding my N64 controller.

www.davidlikeclemens.com (http://www.davidlikeclemens.com)

you can purchase DLC gear
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Post by: RWG on December 20, 2008, 06:39:00 am: Missed a great rudebox opportunity tbh.
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Post by: GuitarFailKid on December 26, 2008, 11:36:00 am: wow, i've just lost a buttload of respect for JLC
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Post by: vitor on December 27, 2008, 01:52:00 pm: "The difference is that only losers play Guitar Hero because they suck too much to play a real instrument."

QFT. And I disagree about top GH players being capable of playing a real instrument aswell. Any deaf monkey (I was gonna say blind, but no, blind monkeys can't) can hold one button and press another one when the screen says so. It's a fucking videogame, any fucktard who plays GH a lot will be good at it.. doesn't matter if he's good at playing real guitar or whatever. I don't understand why this game is so popular. It's so... simple. All you do is play it over and over and over, so your brain will be used to which button is on which finger, then you will keep playing it like an idiot so you will actually know the music entirely. And really, I don't like the idea of simulating you're playing a song that way.. I actually enjoy watch my friends playing GH (or any similar for PC), but it's a game that I dislike a lot. I feel like I have to play it so much to start being competitive. It's not like a game where you have to think, or can think of something different so you will have an advantage. It's just pressing pre-determined buttons that try to simulate you're playing a song.
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Post by: alexaxxem on December 28, 2008, 06:28:00 am: I like guitar hero, I have not played in forever but i hate when people are like " go play the real guitar! " thast ludacris. thats almost the same as a driving game... why dont you just go get into racing. or why play ncaa football... just go outside and throw a football... guitar hero is a GAME, not an instrument. I play it because I like playing the game, can somewhat be challenging, maybe next time instead of playing goldeneye, ill just go get a real gun, and shoot things in my back yard...
Title: Most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my life
Post by: Neo on December 28, 2008, 10:59:00 am: Quote from: greg k vbm
"The difference is that only losers play Guitar Hero because they suck too much to play a real instrument."

QFT. And I disagree about top GH players being capable of playing a real instrument aswell. Any deaf monkey (I was gonna say blind, but no, blind monkeys can't) can hold one button and press another one when the screen says so. It's a fucking videogame, any fucktard who plays GH a lot will be good at it.. doesn't matter if he's good at playing real guitar or whatever. I don't understand why this game is so popular. It's so... simple. All you do is play it over and over and over, so your brain will be used to which button is on which finger, then you will keep playing it like an idiot so you will actually know the music entirely. And really, I don't like the idea of simulating you're playing a song that way.. I actually enjoy watch my friends playing GH (or any similar for PC), but it's a game that I dislike a lot. I feel like I have to play it so much to start being competitive. It's not like a game where you have to think, or can think of something different so you will have an advantage. It's just pressing pre-determined buttons that try to simulate you're playing a song.
How is it any different from playing PD or GE competitively, except that Guitar Hero is at least, in huge part, a social game? Your quote about real instruments is hilarious and ignorant, because the two are completely different. Just as I'd laugh in the face of anyone who thinks they're a good musician because they're decent at GH, I laugh at you and anyone else who believes that GH players are just "wannabes". Ask anyone who has played the thing for more than 5 minutes and they'll tell you that it's insanely fun, and that's the only reason it's played. Nobody plays it because they think it makes them a real guitar player (although it's obviously possible to talented at both, just look at Octo!), they play it for enjoyment, as I'm sure you do/did PD and whatever else.
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Post by: vitor on December 28, 2008, 12:29:00 pm: I've played GH many times on my first year at university, when I started getting some friends and going out together with them etc, so we gathered at someone's place and played it. Yeah it WAS fun, because we were with friends (sometimes drunk) and it was funny to see people competing each other, and then the girls'd play it and they were terrible, you know.. like everytime you get some people together to play something they don't take too seriously. My point is, the game is fun, but it's stupid. I don't understand how people can bother to be good at it, the same way we play PD/GE/CS/etc. But it's just my opinion.

And Neo, my point with the real instrument thing is that it really hasn't anything to do with GH. Ryan said that top GH players can play instruments aswell.. if they actually do, it's not related to playing GH well. It's a fucking videogame, with the difference that you can play it on a guitar, which is a giant joystick/controller. It's essencially the same: you play it like an idiot to be good at it. I'm talking about the-elite's good, not neighbour friends' good.

And yes, I believe that there are people who play GH (or any similar to PC) because they can't bother to learn guitar or anything close to it, so they feel like they are playing something, like the feeling of learning a song on guitar, but it's just stupid, they have absolutely nothing to do with each other. This won't apply to everyone, obviously (specially top players), but yes, there are many "losers" (more like lazies) that play GH to feel like they are actually playing a song. And that's another reason I don't like GH (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148)

So basically, GH is not a bad game, it's fun when you are with friends and etc, but it's a stupid game. I don't understand how people can take it so seriously because it's so damn simple. And I also don't like the idea of simulating a song that way, but that's just me (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148)
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Post by: Cyberwrath87 on December 28, 2008, 07:53:00 pm: Rant:
The only reason I play GH is because it's fun and challenging. I highly doubt most people out there who play GH do it so it makes them feel like a real musician. To me, Guitar Hero has one thing that most games today don't have: replay value and the opportunity to improve. After 2+ years of playing, the fact that I still can't get 100% on every song is great, even though the whole GH concept is so "simple" (easy to learn, hard to master).

Just like you guys at the-elite can understand, think about what it takes to be a good GE/PD player. Hours and hours played on the same level (usually with just simple strafing), just to accomplish what? Gain one second on your best time? For what reason? Just so you can move up a rank? Most people who just play GE/PD casually may think the-elite is retarded... I mean, come on, playing the same levels over and over for fast times just trying to gain a few seconds? The same concept applies to another game - Guitar Hero. Playing songs over and over trying to hit all the notes, just so you can say you got a higher score than someone else, or feel good about yourself for finally mastering a song.

The fact that GE was released in 1997 and people are still competing in 2008 can only mean one thing - people find speedrunning fun. Just how GH players get addicted - it's just fun and challenging.

As for the whole 'pros and real instruments and such debate': Think about the reason why most of the GH pros do play real instruments.... what two things does it take to be good at a real instrument?
1. Tons of practice
2. Excellent hand-eye coordination
People that understand the above concepts from playing real music for many years will have an easier time becoming an expert at GH than someone with no background in rhythm or any music or muscle memory. You have to be pretty dedicated to GH to be able to hit 95%+ on every song on Expert, and it takes practice just like any other game.

I bought a guitar when I was 15, tried it for awhile, and decided I didn't like it. I've taught myself how to play the piano pretty well, so it's not like I wasn't capable of being dedicated to something if I enjoyed it enough. Sometimes people tell me (after they see me dominate in GH) "you know, if you put all your skills into real guitar, you could be really good." Usually I just take this as a compliment... and you know, they're right. However, I have the choice, and as "sad" as it may be to choose to play a plastic guitar over a real one, all I can say is that I simply have fun and enjoy GH more. I absolutely do not, however, play the game to make up for the fact that I'm no good at a real guitar.

The fact that I've never played anyone in GH live that's better than me only strengthens my addiction to the game, since I just want to continue to always cream my friends in it. Just like how a top PD/GE player may try to continue to shoot out WRs in an attempt to stay high in the rankings.

Oh well, I just felt like ranting. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone in this topic, but if anyone is actually laughing at the fact that people play a game like GH professionally and pour hours and hours into this game... think about what website you're on [for those incapable of subtlety: the answer is a website about speedrunning Goldeneye and Perfect Dark]
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Post by: vitor on December 29, 2008, 06:15:00 am: *big nerd post ahead*

Yeah nice post, I agree with most of the stuff you said there, and I can understand your point of view about playing GH for fun. But let me just comment on some parts of your post, because I'm fucking bored anyway.

The thing is, GH is so fucking simple. You won't develop new strategies, you won't face any new situation where you have to think fast and make a decision that might save or screw up your run. Of course, at any game you want to be really good at, you have to play it a lot, so you will start noticing some details that only real top players can see. Just taking two examples here of two games that I've become good at, TFC and DOTA (Dota not so much, but I've been playing it for a good while, so):

TFC: I was a fucking n00b, then got this new good pc back in 2004 or something and started playing for real. I was crazy for the game, there was this friend of mine (of my clan) who taught me so many tiny details, like movement, how to use your grenades, etc etc. Then I started watching demos of many top players around the world, to see if I could learn some different stuff, and I really did. Also, this same friend of mine saw one strategy (that some Europe clan used) for this map we were going to play against the top clan back in the days (we used to suck back then), and with that crazy strat we won that game 4-1, and it felt so fucking good because we trapped them in a way that they would never expect.

DOTA: after like 1 month of playing I already started watching top players's replays to learn some new stuff, even if I didn't understand 100% how the game worked. I started playing single player (with bots) to have some training, to test a lot of things, so I'd come up on the servers and not be a complete idiot that didn't know how to play one specific hero. After playing some clanwars I could see some details that I didn't before, what hero to pick against who, what itens you should get on the start depending on the enemy's heroes.. I felt like I was learning the game deeply, not skill wise because anyone learn all the skills in a month, but how, where and when to use them, after being pwned a lot by good players.

I guess the same applies to Street Fighter and PES (which I played a LOT with this friend of mine that couldn't stand if I beat him), always learning new things, watching top players playing to develop new game strategies.. that's why we like playing videogames, because you do your best, and if you take one step further (e.g reading forums to learn new stuff), you WILL be better than someone who doesn't, if you both have the same hours of play. And I'm giving real multiplayer games examples, but that works for speedrunning aswell, not only PD/GE but every game basically. Like Pokemon Snap. I think I'm 4th on Cyberscore, and I have the WR of all the high level score (or whatever name that is). And I haven't played more than 2 hours each, but I took some time to think of what strategy would fit best, what Pokemon I should take more pics, or if there's more than one that's worth it, etc. If I just played it a lot without thinking much, guess it'd take probably like 20 or 30 hours to get those scores (my Beach score is awesome btw (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148))

So, GH doesn't have anything like that :/ All you do is push pre-determined buttons. Yeah it is fucking hard, but take you and a friend of yours. You both have played the same ammount of hours, and then you decide to do 100% (or like more than 90%, or whatever) on this specific song on expert. Can you do anything appart from just play it a lot? Can you go search anything on internet that will help you beat your friend on this little challenge? No, you can't. All you can see is top players playing the song, so you think like "yeah, so it is actually possible to do x% on this song". That's not cool.

Also, about the real guitar thing.

"Sometimes people tell me (after they see me dominate in GH) "you know, if you put all your skills into real guitar, you could be really good." "

Nah. Having hand-eye coordination, like you said, is about 1/5 of getting good at playing guitar. The two hardest parts (in my opinion) are: 1. moving your left fingers to the correct chords fast, 2. doing the right beat according to the music you are playing. And of course, those two together (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148) It's not even hard to play with your right hand while you move your left one, so, IMO, GH won't help that much playing a real guitar, because that hand coordination you get there (holding one big button and tapping another one) is one of the easiest parts of playing guitar, but obviously it does help.

So yes, GH is fun, it's nice to play with your friends, even have some challenges etc, but the fact that your skills at the game are limited to only your hands coordination, makes me totally dislike any kind of competition with it.
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Post by: Time was untied when set. on December 30, 2008, 05:39:00 am: I always found speedrunning to be more of a form of art, you cant really compare just hitting buttons that scroll down a screen to speedrunning a first person shooter, or a lot of other games. People who play GH just want to get 100% and say theyre the best, but with GE/PD, every run is different and its a very enjoyable thing to watch and be a part of. When you get a wr, you feel like you have just made a massive accomplishment...but when I watch videos for GH i dont really sense that, its just like "hey look at me i played this game 6 hours a day for a month and i am the best". Its just stupid.

Although it is probably true that people who are good at GH could also be fine with guitar, but thats not saying much as guitar is one of the easiest instruments out there to learn. Anyone can be good at it.
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Post by: RWG on December 30, 2008, 06:20:00 am: lol
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Post by: MotoXRider31 on December 31, 2008, 08:40:00 pm: Greg, if you peruse scorehero.com for a little while, you'll notice that there are usually hundreds and hundreds of people with 100% on many songs, but the first place score typically is much higher than the lowest 100% score. That's because there are different places to use starpower, squeezing notes, even holding a chord as to get the most points from it. For example, on GH3, I got 100% on Closer but I'm in 3986th place.

I'm not saying it's as hard as GE/PD because I don't think it is, but there's certainly strategy that separates the really good players from the decent players (as is true in GE/PD).
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Post by: GuitarFailKid on January 01, 2009, 01:31:00 pm: I wrote out a long post and lost it all due to ezboard signing me out for some unknown reason and when I came to sign in again I lost all of what i've written SLIGHTLY pissed off there, but i'll re-instate the gist of it again.

GH is a good thing, I get something out of it, it's made me take up real guitar, and it strengthens up my fretting hand which makes me more comfortable to a real guitar than another so called n00b.

But putting down GH by saying that you just play the same song over and over again until all the patterns are memorized is bullshit. I can say that I don't know what first note comes up in the first song on GH on expert which is what I play, I know it's a chord, but thats as far as I can remember, and I also know that if I was to sightread a song with a top GH player, he would kick my ass totally. Especially when it comes down to complex solos which takes years of hand training and practice to nail. A top speed runner wouldn't be able to sightread a speed run obviously it would take a lot of re-runs! so please don't put GH down to playing a song a million times, A top squeezer could get 1st place in a song in less than 5 tries, and those first few runs would be just working out the strategy, then the next 2 runs, would be implementing it. A perfect run on any GE/PD level is not going to be done in as quick a time, i'm sorry.

I stand by what i'm about to say though, and that is GE/PD requires a lot of luck, you have to rely on a guard not to jump in your way screwing you up that 1 second which will cost you the 1st place, thus you would have to replay the level over and over again for that 1 lucky run. With GH on the other hand, there is no luck involved. if you screw up, you screw up, it's going to cost you, if you are good enough you can get optimal* if you are not, then you simply just are not ready. If you was do to the exact same maneuvres(sp?) every time you play any given song on GH you would get the exact same score, everytime! If you was to do the same with a level on GE/PD you would die sometimes, sometimes you wouldn't sometimes a guard will jump one way sometimes he wouldn't, hell I remember playing "Investigation" like 100 times just to hope that the cleaning bot would disable the laser grid 10secs or whatever earlier than he normally would do, then you have to be lucky to complete that bitchy level after that anwyay, and trust me I never did it, but that took a lot of trying, and I just didn't have the patience in the end to do it!

I will be playing GH still probably for like another year, not as much, but I will. And what drives me to play even more is knowing how good i'll be next year. I never really lose online, and when I do it's against someone that is on scorehero. and that makes me try harder, GH is the most addicting game i've ever played, I put any #1 game in the xbox and I just get bored. Very very quickly, and I will always put either GH2/GH3/GHA/GHWT/RB/RB2, now you can see from that games list that i'm a fan, and you can also see how much replayability and songs never get old when you have that many, not to mention DLC. (Im currently trying to find GH1, and I will be getting GH Metallica) Not to mention that it's not been a COMPLETE waste of time because my left hand has some pretty decent co-ordination now which will help when it comes to real guitar, maybe not much! but it will still help!

It's a completely different ball game and you just can not compare the genre of games, I'm highly musicly driven, hell I even have music playing that I sleep to lol. And when I get to play a game where I get to play the part of completing a tune. it just makes me want to perfect it even more, Everyone can go play whatever game the hell they want, I wouldn't discriminate, I know there takes a lot of skill in ANY game where you try to reach the absolute limit, so I'm just going to leave that at that.

GH is (IMO, i may not be statisticly correct) the most popular game out there. There is so much competion= So much replayability. And SO many songs. and more keep coming out daily. I'm not saying it's better than PD though, PD will always be my favourite game of all time no matter what, but shit that's just sentimental value.

I'm gonna be packing up my crap in a bit and movin up over to my gf's house for a week so I won't be posting for a while, but I'm REALLY interested in what the GH haters have to say, or why they hate it so much. Greg. I'm looking at you! :P. (I will check back as regularly as I can because I am interested now, haha)

EDIT: I forgot to mention that the best GH players out there play a real instrument.

NickOftime = Piano, he was #1 on wii for months on end and has retired from it pretty much now, but overall he was top 10 in the world. GH3
GH Phenom = Piano, he isn't signed up to scorehero, but i'm willing to bet he will be top 10. Played for 1 month longer than me, but is the only person in the world to FC a couple songs.
JDamillio = real guitar, fastest 3 finger player in the world, but it's not official. He has FC'd ttfaf in segments in practice mode, but gets over 900k kinda consistently. (wont mean much to any non GH player
Octo = Retired fuckign aeons ago, and fell at like 22nd place, (I may be wrong) on the wii, all that time ago, Took me almost another 6 months to overtake him after he stopped playing entirely, I can only imagine how good he would be if he carried on playing.

These guys can play a real instrument VERY well. GH is just a game that they happen to be amazing at!
Title: Most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my life
Post by: octoinky on January 01, 2009, 06:18:00 pm: Alright, I'll make it short

-I HATED the idea of GuitarHero at first. I thought it was all posers like JLC (guy I made this topic about) thinking they were cool for playing a fake guitar. Then... I bought it!
-I have played guitar for like 8 years now, obsessively at first, and will be the first to admit I got damn good damn fast, no modesty out of me about guitar!
-Playing real guitar helped me get good at GuitarHero, *fast.* The only thing I had to learn was how to read the new style of "music"
-I haven't memorized ANYTHING in GuitarHero. Not even a simple riff. I am effectively sightreading every time I play the song, because memorization is nearly impossible (relationship between notes on GH is nothing like a real guitar, of course).
-If GH were just repeating over and over to get used to the song, why did I just get 100% on a large chunk of songs on the newest GH game, songs I had both never heard or seen played in my life?
-What makes GH hard is doing things in perfect timing, not being able to fudge/improvise a hard lick, learning the best bonus routes, and getting spot-on timing with your bonus activations. None of this applies to a real guitar, where being good you do the opposite.. embellish a song to your own style, etc.

IMO, playing GH competitively is WAY more socially acceptable than GE or PD. You can get really good at guitar hero pretty fast, even if you don't know a musical instrument. You hear enjoyable songs, move around, use an untraditional controller, and improve your score every day even if you're already good. Unlike GE/PD, washed up games where basically only the obsessed play for weeks on end to improve by 1 second. The amount of intracacy involved in a GH song far exceeds that in GE/PD which is arguably spot-on timing switching between a few very basic moves. Speedrunning is hardly an art - what, a few hundred people speedran GE/PD? Speed demos archive, TAS videos, and the general speedrunning community for ALL GAMES COMBINED probably doesn't even come close to the number of people who have registered and submitted scores at scorehero.com, a site just tracking ONE GAME (series).

Anyway, there we go. The reason the original link is pathetic is because the guitar hero guy IS a poser. He's trying to look cool for GH as if he's some pop musician. But after I started playing GH, I realized that 99.9% of people who play GH aren't trying to be posers, they are just playing a videogame. A damn challenging, damn fun game, where you can play along with hundreds of songs you (hopefully) enjoy listening to
Title: Most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my life
Post by: vitor on January 07, 2009, 11:28:00 pm: Haha nice post Kingpin, I liked it. So since you want a big post I'll give you one (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148) I won't quote anything specifically because that's fucking gay

You said that GH is very popular, well, of course it is. I mean, the idea behind it is awesome. Basically everybody can play a song there, and it's actually fun to play it. I've played it about 10 hours in my life, yeah it IS fun, but then I started getting beaten by this friend of mine who played the game way more than me, and it was impossible for me to beat him. I could feel I'd need like... 30+ hours to have a chance. That just pisses me off. By that time I was playing on the regular controller, but the idea there is the same, because it was really fun to me on the beginning, anyway.

So, we (me and this same friend) started playing SF3: Third Strike, basically because of the Daigo video that you guys probably have heard of, where he just gets a bunch of parries with Ken (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148) Just look for it, it's awesome. Anyway, he was slightly better than me because he used to play some other SF more than me, but I get so angry when I play something and I feel like I'll get beaten everytime, so I go look for something. I started watching videos, reading stuff on forums etc, to see some combos, some game strategies, even some moves that I didn't know about. Well, he got beaten hard for about a week. After that, he noticed what I was doing differently and started doing the same. That's what I want when I play a game, this kind of competition.

Basically, what makes you good at ANY competitive game, speaking generally, is hand coordination + experience. You all know that. Even on GE/PD speedrunning itself, experience there can mean like knowing the chances of a guard reacting a certain way, or the probability of you getting hit at a certain point, or even holding your nerves, which is part of every gaming competition. You get that by playing a LOT, so just repeating the run itself everytime won't give you the WR in 5 hours if you never played the game. Well, GH is just hand coordination for me (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148) I don't see where you can do anything different, where you can put new strategies. Yeah, there's the star point thing or whatever, forgot the name, but it's just that I guess. And I don't think it's too difficult to find the best spot to use it anyway.

What I don't really understand is how this game can be so popular COMPETETIVELY. Yeah you said it's the most popular game out there today, I even agree with that, but I just can't understand. There's no strategies, you can't find something new, I don't know. Octo, your comparison with GE/PD there isn't like totally true. Of course GH is more socially acceptable, it's fucking simple! Everyone can play it without much thinking, and it's like "OMG I'm playing a song!", so brainless people will love it when they see. I know, the game does attract people. But see, if you tell me about your friend who is a top CS player (or any game with big popularity), he might be a fucking loser, but I know he's gone far to get good there. And I mean really hard because it ain't easy to be a top CS player, so I'm sure he will have watched a lot of replays, will have learned loads of strategies.. but then there's another friend of yours who is a top GH player. What's the first impression of him? Well, he's played the game like an idiot, he goes to a tournament and then he loses badly, and he goes to his house and just keep playing it like an idiot, without thinking of anything new! What can he do differently? "I knew it! I should've pushed this button for 0.5s longer". I can't accept that as something really competitive.

Comparing with speedrunning (or high scoring whatever) is kinda bad anyway, even I think it's stupid sometimes, but I love it. But still, it at least has strategies and many other things involved. Speaking generally again, because there are a lot of dumb games to go for records, and obviously they can't be so popular. You can tell if a game is good to do high scores on cyberscore, just see the # of subscribes. Maybe GH is so popular because you play it on a guitar, and that seems to be so cool to some people. Personally I think it's dumb, but everybody likes it, and that's a good reason for the game selling so much, and so many new people playing it, and then some sponsors will take advantage of this to promote tournaments, etc, it's just a big cicle. The GAME itself is stupid, it DOESN'T have a tournament/competitive style, for me it's another of those little funny games that you play with your friends and have some laughs.

Yeah Octo, the poser guy is a complete idiot, he's a big exception. I know that most people that play GH are just playing a videogame after all (with a stupid guitar), but god, the game is so dumb (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fintl%2Faenglish%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Ftongue.gif&hash=7cfc888ebd66cf455a55fd5e124ee8267da91148)