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Title: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Over! Rankings posted! Post thoughts here!
Post by: Infil on October 28, 2011, 11:54:57 am
The FAQ and Rules pages have been updated! Go see them here: http://elite.puzzlehunt.net/ (http://elite.puzzlehunt.net/) Please go read them, as they contain some important information about how scoring and hints work that's different from last year.

Keep in mind that the timer operates much the same as last year... as such, do NOT click on a puzzle if you're not prepared to invest time in solving it, as your timer will start.


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A date has been set! We will start on Thursday, December 8th! The exact time we start and the length of the hunt is still being decided. It will be sometime in the evening (EST) and probably last for a week, maximum, and until the following Tuesday, minimum. As a reminder, there will be about 10 puzzles and you get to choose when you start them at no penalty to your overall rank or score. This means that if you prefer to take some days off, or can't show up at the start of the hunt, it won't hurt you. You can also do all the puzzles immediately, or spread them out over the allotted time.

You will be competing in teams of two, just like last year. Now would be a good time to decide on your teammate and come up with a team name. Registration is still closed but I will alert everyone in this topic when it's open (should be about a week before the hunt starts).

Final details of the hunt structure (scoring, hints, etc) and such will be formalized later. The hunt is different from last year in that none of the puzzle creators will be competing in the hunt, so we don't have to have awkward scoring rules in effect. Just do the puzzle as fast as you can, with as few hints as you can, and be ranked with the other teams.

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It's been in the workings for far too long, and now we just want to get it out there with whatever puzzles we've got. QB's written several and I've only written a small handful this time, so this might be more of a "QB Puzzle Hunt" than anything, but it's time to figure out what dates people want for this thing.

We want to do it before the end of the year, but we figure December is probably a bad month all around for this type of thing. How about late November? Maybe some start date in the week of November 20th? As a reminder, we'll probably run the hunt for 4 or 5 days or something (number of puzzles probably around 10-12ish), and like last year, you simply click on a puzzle when you're ready to start it... as soon as you click it, a timer specific to that puzzle and your team will begin, and scores will be based in some capacity around the number of hints required to solve the puzzle and how long you took. If you want to blow through all the puzzles in one day, go for it! If you want to solve 2 a day for 5 days, that will also work. Full details on the scoring/hint system will be revealed once we nail down the specifics.

So yeah, to the people who are interested in playing this hunt, let us know which dates work well and which don't for you. Remember that this is a rather lightweight hunt so you can still compete even with other commitments, but if some times just work better than others, that's what we need to find out. We don't have to start on a Sunday/Monday either, we can pick whatever days we want.
Title: Re: Dates for 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt
Post by: Jack on October 28, 2011, 01:39:15 pm
Saturday and Sunday being among the 5 days is ideal, other than that I'm not too picky.
Title: Re: Dates for 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt
Post by: Jonesy on October 28, 2011, 04:02:44 pm
I'm interested in participating as well as creating puzzles...
Title: Re: Dates for 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt
Post by: Infil on November 15, 2011, 06:31:38 am
Would like to post reminding people that we are still on track for a late November/early December hunt. I'm not ready to specify a date until all the pieces are in place but we're gonna try to make it happen during this time frame. So keep your eye posted for an announcement on the date hopefully in the next week or so.

We will have at least 10 puzzles, maybe 11.
Title: Re: Dates for 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt
Post by: TheFlash on November 15, 2011, 09:38:39 pm
If there is a puzzle #7, I'll refuse to do it, so if you could just skip that in any numbering scheme, I'd appreciate it.
Title: Re: Dates for 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt
Post by: Quiet Bol on November 16, 2011, 02:49:15 am
Unfortunately, our puzzles are numbered 7A through 7J.
Title: Re: Dates for 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt
Post by: Neo on November 16, 2011, 02:54:10 am
Sadly, QB is correct. I'm a terrible coder and don't know any other way.
Title: Re: Dates for 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt
Post by: wheatrich on November 16, 2011, 05:25:57 pm
Unfortunately, our puzzles are numbered 7A through 7J.

NO SPOILERS
Title: Re: Dates for 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt
Post by: TheFlash on November 17, 2011, 01:28:12 am
Not sure how to express my emotions right now.
Title: Re: Dates for 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt
Post by: Quiet Bol on November 23, 2011, 01:09:23 pm
So I think this hunt is actually starting soon, and THE STAKES ARE HIGHER THAN EVER.

This hunt's champion or champions will each win a prize they never knew they wanted!

Valued at ~$10 dollars, this MYSTERY PRIZE is sure to amaze and bewilder, perhaps even eliciting tears of joy (or anguish!) or even a hearty laugh and/or throaty chuckle! What could it be? Who will win it? Have I oversold it? It's all part of the mystery!

-THE ELITE PUZZLE HUNT TEAM
Title: Re: Dates for 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt
Post by: Jack on November 24, 2011, 11:59:21 am
I want the mystery trinket. My victory is now assured.
Title: Re: Dates for 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt
Post by: Infil on November 24, 2011, 06:11:00 pm
Temporary date for the hunt: Thursday, December 8th. It would go into the following week a bit... might let it run all the way to the following Thursday, even. How's that sound for people.

I need to set a date to give people time to plan, and also to force me and Neo to finish up what we need to do.
Title: Re: Dates for 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt
Post by: Neo on November 24, 2011, 06:22:21 pm
A superb date for me, provided it is for everyone else.
Title: Re: Dates for 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt
Post by: TheFlash on November 25, 2011, 03:27:33 am
*pushes hard for....*
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: Infil on November 26, 2011, 08:06:36 am
Might as well set the date for good! I added more details to the first post.

Plan your teams!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: Mavalock on November 26, 2011, 12:26:10 pm
December 8th?  I would think that runs into finals week for some of us (myself included).  If it were pushed back about a week, I'd be completely okay with that, but that's just my 2 cents.

Also, hi.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: Infil on November 26, 2011, 08:04:34 pm
Ah, I had forgotten about finals. I wanted to do it in late November a month ago for that reason, but we had to push it forward a bit.

Is this a problem for anyone else who wants to play, but can't (or at least, would prefer a different date) because of school commitments?
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: TheFlash on November 26, 2011, 11:49:24 pm
If you move it, I won't play.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: Thiradell on November 30, 2011, 08:20:32 pm
The 8th is good for me.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: Neo on November 30, 2011, 08:42:13 pm
Thanks for the responses so far. Any other likes/dislikes for that date? Wouldn't mind getting it locked in as I might take the Friday off to be there for launch so I can fix the all things I've no doubt forgotten.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: Cyberwrath87 on November 30, 2011, 09:03:09 pm
I approve of this date.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: .. on December 01, 2011, 07:57:47 am
Well since Third says it's ok with him, it's ok with me too, assuming we're still a team!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: Jack on December 02, 2011, 04:26:49 pm
Ok, I am probably going to use Bonnie as a partner unless someone else insists I team up with them.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: Neo on December 07, 2011, 08:57:42 am
http://elite.puzzlehunt.net/ (http://elite.puzzlehunt.net/)

Get your teams together!

Any problems, questions or, more than anything, bugs/errors, contact Infil, QB or myself ASAP. I realize the rules/FAQ aren't up, but the ones that were there were last year's, so I need to get some updated ones from Infil/QB. Should be up within 12 hours at the most!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: TheFlash on December 07, 2011, 10:00:02 am
Wooohoo!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: Jonesy on December 07, 2011, 06:40:58 pm
I'm going to be busy with a lot of different things in the next week but I should have some free time to participate a little bit but probably not enough time to dedicate to win this thing on my own. That said, I think I have a pretty keen mind for puzzle solving so if someone wants to recruit me as a 2nd player on their team I'd be willing to do that. Let me know. First come first serve.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: TheFlash on December 07, 2011, 11:00:13 pm
Jones: as long as you can find several chunks of time to work, you have the whole week to win it alone or as a team. Your timer for each puzzle doesn't start until you open it, remember!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thursday, December 8th!
Post by: Jonesy on December 08, 2011, 12:06:38 am
Scott, are you saying you want to be my partner?
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thurs, Dec 8! (Go read the rules!!)
Post by: Infil on December 08, 2011, 11:09:02 am
The FAQ and Rules pages have been updated! Go see them here: http://elite.puzzlehunt.net/ (http://elite.puzzlehunt.net/) Please go read them, as they contain some important information about how scoring and hints work that's different from last year.

Keep in mind that the timer operates much the same as last year... as such, do NOT click on a puzzle if you're not prepared to invest time in solving it, as your timer will start.

The hunt starts tonight at 8pm EST! It's the first time the puzzles will be made available, but you won't be penalized if you're not there as soon as it starts. Good luck to everyone!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thurs, Dec 8! (Go read the rules!!)
Post by: TheFlash on December 08, 2011, 07:47:26 pm
Scott, are you saying you want to be my partner?

Ng claimed me over a year ago.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Starts Thurs, Dec 8! (Go read the rules!!)
Post by: Neo on December 08, 2011, 08:51:29 pm
The Elite Puzzle Hunt 2011 has begun!

Remember, there's no disadvantage for starting late, so if you haven't signed up yet you still can play!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY (Go read the rules!!)
Post by: TheFlash on December 09, 2011, 10:35:21 pm
Wow, what great fun! Everyone should get in on this.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY (Go read the rules!!)
Post by: Mavalock on December 14, 2011, 03:41:37 pm
Any chance of this being extended?
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY (Go read the rules!!)
Post by: Infil on December 14, 2011, 03:55:41 pm
Mg, I'd be happy to extend it if it means you'll be able to participate. How much time do you want? Is extending it to Sunday at midnight enough time for you?
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY (Go read the rules!!)
Post by: Neo on December 14, 2011, 05:08:44 pm
Mg, I'd be happy to extend it if it means you'll be able to participate. How much time do you want? Is extending it to Sunday at midnight enough time for you?

I should note I've been in favour of extending the hunt to Sunday all week because of the technical problems that have plagued the site, especially last weekend which prevented some people from doing everything they wanted to. If we do extend it it should be on that basis - Mg competing is just a bonus!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY (Go read the rules!!)
Post by: Mavalock on December 14, 2011, 07:03:20 pm
Mg, I'd be happy to extend it if it means you'll be able to participate. How much time do you want? Is extending it to Sunday at midnight enough time for you?

That would be fine. Thanks!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY (Go read the rules!!)
Post by: youseinthehouse on December 14, 2011, 11:48:21 pm
I wouldn't mind trying them out, too.  But I just got back from vaca so I'd be starting tonight.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY (Go read the rules!!)
Post by: Infil on December 15, 2011, 04:05:19 am
Alright, we'll go ahead and extend the hunt until 11:59 pm EST Sunday night.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY [ends Sunday night!]
Post by: Jack on December 15, 2011, 12:49:42 pm
That's great, I've been too busy the last few days to really do anything with this.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY [ends Sunday night!]
Post by: Infil on December 18, 2011, 09:34:13 pm
As I type this, the hunt is drawing to a close! You guys have a few more hours to try and solve the remaining puzzles. Remember that solving at all is still worth 1 point, so don't feel bad taking hints and wrapping up any leftover puzzles if you can.

It's our hope that we'll have solutions up within the next two days or so, as well as the results of the hunt. Thanks for your patience.

After the hunt is over at 11:59 pm EST tonight, feel free to use this topic to post your thoughts on the various puzzles! We would really appreciate it if each player or team could post brief thoughts on each puzzle so we know what worked well and where we need to improve. Please keep the comments constructive... making puzzles and running a hunt like this is really tough and we're still relatively new to the whole process, so we're doing our best.

Thanks for playing in the 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt! Maybe there'll be another one!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY [ends Sunday night!]
Post by: TheFlash on December 18, 2011, 10:08:28 pm
Dunno if anyone else will be around, but I'll probably be in chat tonight if people want to talk through things there! (Or if you just want to make Infil cry.)
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY [ends Sunday night!]
Post by: Neo on December 19, 2011, 01:00:31 am
The hunt is now over.

I've had reports that the site is still accepting answers. It shouldn't be, but I won't be able to deal with it until I've gotten home and taken a look. As such, feel free to start talking about the hunt, puzzles, answers, solutions and so on immediately. Anything entered in to the system after ~1 hour ago will be removed.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY [ends Sunday night!]
Post by: Jonesy on December 19, 2011, 02:43:27 am
Puzzle Hunt 2011 Write-up

Preface:

The first thing I want to do, is take some time to thank all of the people who made this thing possible (Neo, Infil, QB, and whoever else I'm forgetting).
Having dabbled, oh so very briefly (and I admit unsuccessfully), in puzzle-making myself I know that a lot of blood sweat and tears went in to making this happen.
Accordingly, I want to express my sincere gratitude to those individuals who worked tirelessly on this hunt and let them know that their efforts are appreciated.
Now, any criticism I may have in my writeup should in no way be thought of as a slight to these people; however, feel free to cherish any praise I may give.
Knowing that, I intend to be open and honest about my experience in the hopes that future puzzle hunts (yes please!) may only build upon the success of this one.
So, without any further ado, let's move on to the puzzles!

Woops, sorry. A few more things. I have only competed in two other puzzle hunts with the Elite in the past (and with anyone for that matter). I worked on a SUMS hunt and a CISRA hunt, but only spent any significant amount of time working on the SUMS hunt. I did greatly enjoy my experiences in these hunts and, for whatever reason, I did not participate in the previous Elite puzzle hunts. However, I did briefly look over the old puzzles and the results.

Based on what I saw from previous Elite hunts, I was expecting a much different experience. I was honestly expecting puzzles that were going to take only a few minutes to an hour to solve (for the average Elite puzzler and possibly only 45 seconds for Snap). Boy was I (but in a good way) wrong! Clearly, the puzzle architects clearly stepped up their game this year. Which leads us right into...

1. Egyptian Architecutre

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I was expecting this to be five-minute solve where every tick of the clock was crucial. Imagine my dismay when I was nearly an hour deep into this first brain-tickler. I stared at this thing every which way but could make no sense of it. At one point I was trawling through Google image results to see if the shape of the original puzzle text matched some obscure Egyptian building or statue. Ha! I tried ordering, and reordering the rows but to no avail. Several times I had them in the correct order but the white space was killing me. At one point I even anagrammed the first column of letters and got something very close to what I was supposed to get. Eventually, I figured out that the white-space was a red herring (Hey, I thought every little piece of information - even whitespace - was going to be important) and was able to progress quickly from there - just missing the one hour mark. Infil later informed me about reading down the center column of letters and I feel pretty stupid for not seeing that on my own. Anyway, I'm fairly sure I had the answer for a couple of minutes prior to my solve as I was trying to do something with the rest of the letter of the second pyramid. Luckily, I remembered that guessing doesn't count against you and I was able to edge out team Come Third by a mere 9 seconds. Not only that, I finished only second to Snap. Not a bad start for my first ever Elite Puzzle Hunt solve! Unfortunately, this would be the peek of my hunt in terms of placing prowess...


2. Split the Difference

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I didn't have much trouble with this puzzle with the exception of mixing up a word here and there for an equally valid alternate word. My time really reflects that there were 28 sentences to parse and 28 words to come up with and then finish the puzzle. At this point I was still working by myself and my time here reflects that. Ignoring the outlier, working on a puzzle like this, which doesn't require all that much lateral thinking, by yourself is a clear disadvantage as splitting up the work would have been a huge time saver. Having said that, I'm happy with my solve time having finished faster than one of the stronger 2-man teams and nearly besting another.

3. Jungftak

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This is another puzzle where it was fairly obvious what to do right from the beginning but just required a ton of research and Googling and being one-man down was clearly not an optimal strategy. I was able to come up with some of the more obvious titles from the get go but not being a huge movie buff, I had to do quite a bit of trawling through IMDB. Unfortunately, I only learned about oracleofbacon.org after I solved this one. Oh well, bookmarked for next time.

4. Divisb-L

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Despite what my completion time may suggest, I really did enjoy this puzzle (it's probably in my top 3 favorite puzzles). I'm usually very good with these logic types of puzzles that don't require coming up with word play or looking up random facts on the internet. I decided quickly that I was going to print this one out and work with a pencil to solve it. Well, it took some time for me to track down some printer paper (yay for thinking ahead!) and I hit a bit of a snag on the second step. I had the first part down in a breeze. However, I made a fatal error in transcribing the puzzle into Excel. I inadvertantly forgot to highlight the F in the originally highlighted L piece. This didn't effect the first step as that piece was already outlined and for whatever reason I never caught on to it. When I removed the even rows and re-printed the puzzle that F was still white instead of grey and it took me nearly 20-30 minutes of futiliy trying to solve the second part before I realized what happened. Awesome! Apart from that, I really, really enjoyed this one.

5. My Dear Watson

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Oh boy, where to begin. I'm fairly certain this was my first exposure to cryptic crosswords. Taking the clue from the title, I had all of the elements, and their symbols ranscribed within the 5 minutes of starting the puzzle. I then proceded to spend the next 3 hours trying desperately to make sense of the cryptic crossword clues. I think I may have had 2 or 3 of them correct and a couple of solid attempts. My favorite incorrect guess was - "Log 100 or enveloped by rouge. (6)" for which I originally had "TULIPS" which I think I should get at least partial credit for. At this point, I ran out of time and had to leave for the day, as I was attending the Blizzard Holiday party that evening. On the car ride there, I was talking with my friend who invited me and telling him about the puzzle hunt. He said it sounded interesting and he agreed to join me as the 2nd person of my team. Luckily for me, he had some experience with crypitc crosswords and with his help we were able to work together the next day and solve it.

6. Interplanetary Message

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This was probably my favorite puzzle of the hunt. This was the first puzzle where I worked with my friend from the outset. I took the job of making sense of the names and he took the job of trying to make sense of the "blocks". I had the asteroids and their #s within just a few minutes of Google and Wiki-fu. I noticed the patterns in the "prelim result" numbers of the 1-7 and 7-1 in digits 1 and 4 and my friend came up with the encoded "ARECIBO" in digits 2 and 3. In trying to decipher the "blocks" he immediately went to Binary, where I admit I would have jumped to at first as well. After he discovered "ARECIBO" in the first column of numbers I was almbost positive that we were going to be getting a similar message in the resulting numbers. Looking back, I feel so dumb for not realizing more quickly that they were the numbers encoded in the Arecibo Message. I have looked at the Arecibo Message wiki entry main times previously but I didn't immediately recall the number constructions being different than standard binary constructions. After a sudden moment of clarity, I realized that we shouldn't be looking for an embeded message like in the first set of numbers but rather to use that embedded message to construct the 2nd set. After that epiphany, the rest of the pieces fell in to place rather quickly. Being a huge astronomy and cosmology nerd I immensely enjoyed this puzzle but am also a little ashamed about how long it took us to solve it.

7. The Band's All Here

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This is a bit lengthy so here's a TLDR: Got almost to the end and got stuck for over 2 days. Discovered a slight "flaw" in the puzzle design (see: http://www.rockband.com/songs/limelight (http://www.rockband.com/songs/limelight)) and ended up having to use hints. I offer a critique at the hint system at the end.

Having just looked at the 2010 hunt puzzles and between Infil playing it in VA to his XBOX puzzle in 2010, before we even started the puzzle I had a good feeling that that this was a Rock Band/Guitar Hero puzzle. And I was not disappointed... well maybe only by our performance. We quickly set to work collecting information about these songs. We accumulated artist, titles and album info. We shortly realized that these were all in fact Rock Band songs and were quickly on to the "hard" clue in the title. Within 20-30 minutes we had all of the pertinent song data and band/instrument difficulty data transcribed in our worksheet. Perhaps I was to conditioned by QB and his penchant for indexing into text that threw me off for so long. My first thought was to try indexing using the "Band" difficulty rating into the Song Title. I then tried it with artist and album and even the original lyric. Then I tried adding back in the white space and special characters. Then I tried the different instruments and then I tried sorting and then I tried... well you get the picture. I indexed the shit out of this puzzle.

We had noticed that there was one instrument difficulty for each song that matched the original puzzle group. With the exception of Limelight. It was only after talking to QB after the puzzle that I realized I was using the Rock Band page for the COVER version of Limelight and there was actually two versions of the Song available on Rock Band site(http://www.rockband.com/songs/limelight (http://www.rockband.com/songs/limelight) vs. http://www.rockband.com/songs/limelight2 (http://www.rockband.com/songs/limelight2)). Well, in an attempt to speed up the process I tried directly entering the song names in the URLs (e.g. http://www.rockband.com/songs/movealong (http://www.rockband.com/songs/movealong)) and that's how I ended up with the cover version of Limelight. I'm not saying that this is what kept us from solving the puzzle without using hints as other teams were able to do it. I'm just a little frustrated by the fact that it could have meant the difference in that epiphany coming but that's a moot point. Like I said, I did notice that there was a strong connection between 1 istrument rating per puzzle group but I was more hung up on the exception than the correlation with the rest of the songs and their groupings.

Anyway, we struggled with the final step of this puzzle for at least 2 days (perhaps more) without taking a hint and I spent a lot of time trying to make sense of it. Did you know that every lyric in the puzzle contains at least one pronoun? Yes, I even tried indexing using the person of each pronoun in the lyrics (I/me = 1, you = 2, etc.). We had eventually broken down and taken a hint on another puzzle so I finally gave in and decided to take hints here. Unfortunately, I knew that we were going to have to take multiple hints because typically a hint only helps you past the initial starting point which we were well passed.

Regarding hint taking: here is a suggestion that should be considerd for future puzzle hunts. Instead of having 3 hints that must be taken in order, why not consider having N hints for each logical step, leap or phase in the puzzle. I think it should be plausible to reveal hints about a certain phase of the puzzle without revealing too much about the rest of the puzzle if the hints are taken out of order. Alternatively, perhaps an email to an admin describing your progress on a puzzle and requesting a hint could result in the admin telling you which hint to take. I bring this up because I feel a bit cheated because we ended up having to take all 3 hints when realistically the first 2 hints were of no use to us. We were exactly where we were before taking the first two hints after we received them. On the other hand, it would be possible that someone could spend maybe 5 minutes and request all 3 hints and be at the same place where we ended up even though we were able to progress farther on the puzzle and invest much more time on the puzzle than a team that just flippantly decided to use all 3 hints from the very beginning.

8. Where Dream's Come True

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Having already completed My Dear Watson, we immediately recognized the cryptic crosswords. I'm not sure what makes this puzzle "Hard" when MDW is considered "Medium". Aren't they essentially the same puzzle? Anyway, nothing really special to say about this puzzle other than it helped me to sharpen up my cryptic crossword skills and we were able to solve it much more quickly than MDW as a result of having exposure to that puzzle first.

9. Set

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This was definitely the most cerebral puzzle in the hunt and probably in my top 3 along with Arecibo and Divisib-L. At first I thought that finsihing the game was going to be the entire puzzle. I felt that the game timer was at a fair level. Having never played before, it didn't take that long in order to complete the game although it wasn't so trivial that we got it on the first try. After completing the game we began trying to solve the results page. We both agreed that we were supposed to use the cards somehow to draw out something on cards.html. We spent some time trying to draw out shapes using the just cards themselves. We then noticed that there were 3 sets each between the cards on all 4 rows and we wasted some more time messing around with that. After racking our brains for over a day (and having already taken hints on Double Header) we decided to move forward with hints.

This is another puzzle where we kind of got shafted by the hint system. The first hint was completely useless to us. However, the 2nd hint about the missing cards was enough to get us where we needed to be. My hats off to the few teams that were able to solve this one with no hints. In my judgement, this was probably the hardest, yet fair, puzzle of the hunt.

10. Scary Number Puzzle

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This was another well constructed and enjoyable puzzle. I guess it's safe to say that QB enjoys his cryptic crosswords! This puzzle would have ranked higher for me had it not been for the 3rd damn time we had to solve cryptics. However, I did enjoy the other components of the puzzle and hey they all came together. Solving the orthogonal path was enjoyable as was figuring out that the cryptic answers were to be placed in that grid and finally, having to find the other set of standard crossword clues made this is a very well crafted puzzle that incorporated a lot of different elements. My hat is off to QB for sure as I can imagine it would take a lot of time to make this all come together. If I did have one critique to offer it's that some of the standard crosswords were a bit to generic or ambiguous. We quickly gathered that the generic crossword answers were going to be in alphabetic order. However, even with that knowledge there were still some combinations of words that seemingly worked with both the generic clues as well as the alphabetic ordering. I know that solving all of the cryptics makes it a lot easier to figure out the standard clues but there were 2 or 3 cryptics that stumped us for quite some time (damn you Prim Jimmy!). My other favorite wrong CC solve was: "Ticket part found in debut show returned. (4)" to which I initially had "PLOT". Thankfully, after enough perserverence we were able to solve all the cryptics and the rest fell into place rather nicely. All in all, an enjoyable puzzle.

11. Doubleheader

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Ah, Doubleheader. No offense QB, because you seriously did a terrific job creating all these puzzles, but this was my least favoirte puzzle. Part of the problem with this puzzle is that Baseball games have such a huge dataset to mine through. I figured the first part had something to do with the pitchers, but which pitchers? Some games can have upwards of 10 pitchers! I figured, from the title, it had to be the winning pitchers. Right? Wrong. The starting pitchers. OK, well I didn't even bother to check if they were the same. It probably didn't help that I was so exhausted from trying to index-mine data from Infil's Rock Band puzzle that by this point the prospect of trying to do the same thing here with posisbly an exponentially larger data set didn't seem to exciting a prospect. Eventually, we ended up breaking down and decided to use the first hint of the puzzle here. Luckily, the first hint was actually of some use to us (huzzah!). Unfortunately, we were still stick with the second piece. After trying to Google these potential games we came to the realization that they were games that had not actually been played or scheduled. Again, I tried index-mining on the team names and cities but to no avail. I also tried grouping them by starting time even before taking the 2nd hint. However, actually mapping them out never really occurred to me. After taking the 2nd hint and actually getting no help from it I just started to Google random stuff about Vernon Wells. I probably guessed about 20 differnt things like "FOOTBALL", "QUARTERBACK", etc. Eventually, I went back to indexing and sorting and grouping and I ended up with something that looked almost legible. It said something like "CONES AL ... TAIL CALM SONIC" or something like that. So I googled "Vernon Wells" +sonic. And just happened upon the IMDB page for Mad Max 2: Road Warrior. And lo and behold, sitting there flipping me the bird was actor Vernon Wells. After several guesses we finally landed on the right answer.

All in All, I definitely had a great time and I look forward to the next hunt. I am satisfied that we only used hints on 3 of the puzzles and on each of those puzzles we only ended up being able to use 3 hints (even though we were docked for 7). My biggest critique and suggestion would be to reevaluate how hints are handled. If I were to rank the puzzles in terms of difficulty I would rank them like this:

Easy - Split the Difference
Easy - Jungftak (but time consuming)
Easy - Divisb-L

Medium - Egyptian Architecture (this had the biggest first leap of any puzzle in my estimation, not really the best puzzle to ease into a hunt with, otherwise I enjoyed it)
Medium - Interplanetary Message
Medium - Where Dreams Come True
Medium - My Dear Watson
Medium - The Band's All Here

Hard - Double Header (not so much hard but rather the potential data-set is daunting)
Hard - Scary Number Puzzle
Hard - Set (solving the puzzle and drawing on the cards page weren't terribly difficult, but making the leap from the result page to finding the missing set cards was a real head-scratcher)
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY [ends Sunday night!]
Post by: TheFlash on December 19, 2011, 02:50:46 am
In my opinion, with the amount of work it takes to put together a hunt, if anyone decides they want to do this again it should be a web-wide hunt, not just for the small group.  Then we can have our portion be more on test solving and shining up puzzles before presenting it to a wider audience.  There seems to be enough interest in writing puzzles, and I think we have enough opinions to decide if a puzzle is good enough, needs some work, or should be tossed completely.

It's a little sad to see how much effort the writers had to put into this to only get a handful of players!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW UNDERWAY [ends Sunday night!]
Post by: Thiradell on December 19, 2011, 02:55:32 am
I second what Thingy said, this was a really fun hunt and the fact that there were probably as many serious solvers as puzzles is a serious shame. Seriously.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW OVER! Post thoughts here!
Post by: Neo on December 19, 2011, 05:49:22 am
Solutions + Hints are up for everyone and you shouldn't be able to answer questions any more. I'll check tomorrow whether anyone made any changes since the hunt ended at midnight.

Rankings will have to wait 'til tomorrow as I'm super tired and need to discuss scoring system with Infil + QB. Stay tuned!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - NOW OVER! Post thoughts here!
Post by: matt8k on December 20, 2011, 04:13:05 am
My previous experience with puzzle hunts was pretty much looking through clues with utter confusion.
I know that I'll be near to last in the rankings, but I really enjoyed my first chance at a puzzle hunt starting from scratch.
I've now got a much better idea of how they work. Thanks guys!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Over! Rankings posted! Post thoughts here!
Post by: Infil on December 20, 2011, 06:55:06 pm
Thanks again to everyone who participated in the hunt!

Congratulations to this year's champions: Bygone Blades (a.k.a. Thingy/Ngamer)!! They should be receiving their prize in the mail soon.

As a reminder, our scoring system was 8, 6, 4, 2 points for the 4 best solves (sorted first by number of hints taken, then by time since the last hint until the solve), and 1 point for anyone else who solved a puzzle. Totaled up over all 11 puzzles, we have these final rankings. Snap chose not to be eligible for prizes/winning the hunt.

-- Snap   77 (8 8 1 8 8 8 6 8 8 8 6)
1. Bygone Blades   49 (Thingy/Ng) (1 6 8 1 4 6 2 6 1 6 8 )
2. Domination Station   34 (Cyber/Disco) (1 1 4 6 6 0 4 4 4 4 0)
3. The Scientists   27 (Come/Thiradell) (4 4 6 1 2 0 8 1 0 1 0)
4. Keeping Up With   25 (Jones/Jones's friend) (6 2 1 1 1 4 1 2 2 1 4)
5. Love   13 (?) (1 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 2 0)
6. Password is dogging Someone join   7 (Poker Mark) (2 0 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)

The rankings for each puzzle should be visible to anyone with an account on the Hunt site (http://elite.puzzlehunt.net/puzzles (http://elite.puzzlehunt.net/puzzles)) whether or not you have solved the puzzle in question. If this isn't working, notify either me or Neo. The solutions are also up now for anyone looking for clarification on specific elements in a puzzle.
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Over! Rankings posted! Post thoughts here!
Post by: Infil on December 20, 2011, 07:04:57 pm
Also wanted to put up a brief "thank you" post to the people who helped make this hunt work.

- QB: We decided over a year ago to run the next hunt together, in order to help spread the workload. Turns out, if it wasn't for his determination, the hunt probably wouldn't have happened! He also produced by far the most puzzles in this year's hunt, and did a great job with all of them.

- Neo: The man behind the scenes working doggedly on the site so it wouldn't break. He is no less important to this hunt than the puzzle writers, because without him, we wouldn't have a hunt. He was also always available when the hunt site's servers took a maintenance hit (through no fault of our own), fielding questions and making adjustments to scoring. He was there working feverishly on the site in the crunch before the hunt started, making sure everything was working great, and deserves a lot of the credit for why this hunt was a success!

- Gabby: He provided some invaluable test-solving assistance and also provided a great puzzle for our hunt!

- Everyone who played: Of course we can't have a hunt without participants! Even if this was your first hunt, we hope the exposure to these types of puzzles has been fun, and maybe you'll drop in to help out with a few puzzles when the Elite plays in the online hunts this year!
Title: Re: The 2011 Elite Puzzle Hunt - Over! Rankings posted! Post thoughts here!
Post by: youseinthehouse on December 21, 2011, 08:36:59 pm
I am mostly new to puzzle hunting, and I enjoyed participating in the elite hunt.  Thanks Infil, QB, Neo, & Gabby.  I appreciate your efforts.

My only puzzle exp before the elite hunt was dabbling in the recent SUMS, perhaps contributing to a solve or two there.  It was enough to get me familiar with puzzling.  The elite hunt was a good natural progression from that.  In other words, my puzz-fu just leveled up a couple of times.

Thoughts on puzzles:

1. Egyptian Architecutre
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A cool starter.  I instantly figured out how to arrange the strings at the beginning, and then was stuck for a while creating a pyramid "IN THIS FASHION".   I had been trying to stack the four answers from least characters to most.  Which was stupid.  So I slept on it, and the next day I realized the folly of my ways.
2. Split the Difference
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Good times.  Nice sense of accomplishment after getting each pair.  Thought it was funny that I arrived at MUTE/CUTE for a pair in the 2nd stanza.  (the one about mimes and furry animals).  Thought it was some kind of pattern-breaker of the double letters.
3. Jungftak
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Didn't like this puzzle.  I dislike the variety of puzzle that requires lots of busy work, especially as a one-man team. Conceptually the puzzle is cool though.
4. Divisb-L
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My favorite puzzle of the hunt!  My mind was blown that taking out half the rows resulted in another working board.  An extra awesome touch was that the original board spelled out some words, just for fun... that didn't end up mattering one iota.  Bravo! Feel like I should have been faster.  I learned to start in the corners pretty quickly, so I'm just stupid for taking as long as I did.
5. My Dear Watson
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My first experience with CCs ever.  (Hence, I needed the first hint to even know what the hell was going on).  I feel pretty good about my time there, since half of it was researching how to solve CCs, and the other half was applying my newly minted knowledge.  LOL that I didn't make the elemental connection until solving about 70% of the clues... and only after thinking of cobalt blue.  There were way more obvious ones out there.
6. Interplanetary Message
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Awesome puzzle.  I don't get the hate.  I had a pretty funny experience with this puzzle.  I'm too noobish to realize that ARECIBO was clued (didn't realize to check this sort of thing).... so I was stuck on figuring out the numeric encoding of the symbols on my own.  It's funny because I tried about six or seven encodings, many of which were incredibly close to the Arecibo numbers, but no dice on any of them.  Long story short, as a last resort I googled "SETI transmission", per the title of the puzzle, and arrived at the Arecibo wiki page, which showed me the way.
7. The Band's All Here
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Disliked this puzzle for two reasons.  The first is that it clearly falls into the busy work style of puzzles I've already decided I do not like (and Rock Band's website was irksome).  But on top of that, I actually did every single thing this puzzle required EXCEPT obtain the solution.  It was disheartening to have done all that work and not realize how to finish.  The absolute worst feeling was conceding I needed a hint, taking all three, and finding that they described steps I'd already performed.  This is where my inexperience with hunting hurt me--didn't think to try different indexing methods.  But hey, important lesson learned!  If I try to remain objective, I can appreciate the craftiness of this puzzle.
8. Where Dreams Come True
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More fun CCs.  By this point I'm getting more comfortable with both CCs and puzzle hunting in general.
9. Set
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Never played Set before, it was really fun!  Beating 15m felt like a cool accomplishment.  Then, I solved the rest of the puzzle (needing the third hint), and came away feeling awesome about myself.  To me, that is the mark of a great puzzle: How clever do you feel having solved it.  This one passed with flying colors
10. Scary Number Puzzle
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This puzzle is my 2nd favorite of the hunt, probably tied with Set actually.  Just every step was really fun to do.
11. Doubleheader
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I got as far as getting a baseball-reference tab open for each of the games on the left-hand side of the puzzle.  Then NFL football came on.  My puzzle hunt was officially over.  Looks like it would have been really fun to work out though, similar to the endgame of Set.