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The Big Three Plus One => Perfect Dark => Topic started by: Boss on May 06, 2012, 02:22:27 pm
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This is now a discussion topic about the laser skipping strat. :nesquik:
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Yeah I tried a few hours last night but I wasnt using that method. I think cmp shots are easier for the lure since it shoots very fast and I never had a problem luring him that way. I didnt try going back and shutting that door though, that might be a huge help actually since he was always slow as dick for me.
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Lol i think it was only like 2 weeks ago i tried this exact strat. However, i was so certain that guards couldn't keep lasers down that i didn't bother testing it alot. I think even tried getting a whole crowd of guards staying around a laser set just to see if it was possible at all (didn't succeed).
Also i don't think i ever had any problems luring the guard? Though again, i guess i didn't try it alot.
Wouldn't you get a slightly better angle if you crouched closer to the first laser set?
Double crouch and wait for the bot to open the far door (shouldn't be a very long wait)
Will the bot warp if you watch more cinema?
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You can actually get through the lasers unassisted if you use invincibility. I haven't been able to replicate it without invincibility though.
You'd time the cinema so the bot is bringing down the first set on its way towards you, so that set is no problem.
For the second set, go up the small ramp to the right. At the end of the ramp (near the lasers) is an invisible wall. If you move to the very right (top of the ramp) you can stand on top of the invisible wall and move a bit towards the middle of the hallway without falling down. The idea here is that you double crouch and fall between the bottom and second bottom lasers. Invincibility prevents you from being bounced back which makes it really easy. Without invincibility you would need to land at least halfway over the bottom laser so that it bounces you out the other side. You may need a running (crawling) start so that you have the speed needed to get through. Or perhaps you can get through using R-leaning.
You would then have to repeat the process for the last laser set.
If someone could complete that strat they could ditch the camspy like in PA and complete it while uplinking. Or if getting through the lasers twice in a row proves to be extremely challenging, you could take the camspy with you and hold the second laser set like suggested above.
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I don't really understand these strats but they sound like perfect candidates for being tested/tried with tools like how TASes are made.
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I took some screenshots.
(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fyoureliteness.thengamer.com%2Finvest-lasers%2F1.png&hash=4680c6b0581a47b82971bc19a81a6c4e7b780c31)
Here is the ramp with the invisible wall at the end. The invisible wall stops you from running off the ramp into the lasers, but the wall is only as high as the ramp itself. If you move to the right/top of the ramp you can stand on top of the invisible wall and move along it.
(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fyoureliteness.thengamer.com%2Finvest-lasers%2F2.png&hash=4f1c243211ab32720a0c532b6a54de1d567958fa)
This is the jump position. I'm double crouched, standing on the end of the invisible wall. If you move straight towards the lasers you'll hit them too early, so you have to move a bit to the side first as you fall.
(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fyoureliteness.thengamer.com%2Finvest-lasers%2F3.png&hash=b94caafc8e054e3fbcb42264fac8f148a68085ea)
Here I am crouching on the bottom laser (using invincibility). Without invincibility you'll need to land at least halfway over the laser so that it bounces you out the other side.
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I just got a 1:19 with invinc skipping the last laser set, but without it I can't seem to even come close. Well I had a few runs where I was about to go between the lasers but got bounced back asap. R leaning doesnt seem very effecting either. Might need a better strategy for getting through. I also tried backstrafing like defection but that doesnt seem to work very well, probably isnt as helpful here anyway.
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Wow laser skip for real? That's been like the holy grail of Investigation for 10 years! I really have no words for how amazing that discovery is.
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I think it is time for......
http://elite.speedrunwiki.com/forum/index.php?topic=6262 (http://elite.speedrunwiki.com/forum/index.php?topic=6262)
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HAHAHA max I thought about bumping that topic immediately after this new strat came out!
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LOL awesome
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Is this strat possible on SA or PA at all? I mean, "possible" is the wrong word, of course it is... but PRACTICAL?
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Nah. I mean for TAS sure it would be, but in order for it to save on Console you'd have to wait for an insane bot on a super fast run and do the glitch TWICE, then the next 2 doors would be closed so it probably wouldn't save all that much/ m
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Wow, this is such a cool strat!
Is there any potential for what YE suggested originally, ie ditching the camspy, getting the bot to take down the first set of lasers, warping the next two, and using the camspy while uplinking?
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Yea there's a chanse that strat will be useful, I had a run where the camspy was too fast so both lasers were activated and I decided to try warping both and I succeeded.
I only got 1:31 on that run because it wasn't an actual attempt at the double warp strat and I took three tries on the first lasers and four tries on the last lasers.
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Seems like this strat could be really useful. I could see like 1:17 happening. Just a wild guess.
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Lol Thira, it already has...
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Might wanna check the wr topic more often ;)
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You guys might want to check your sarcasm detectors more often.
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lol @ 2 people taking Third's comment seriously
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Awesome find! If only we'd stuck with it a few months ago, YE. =(
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Bully and I tried it last night, taking turns to keep it interesting and trying to analyse each other. We came to the conclusion that we improved on consistency when you crouch twice, then look right at the lasers (look forward, not diagonal), strafe with C left only, and then at the exact moment when you start falling down, start strafing and turn at the same time.
in order for the glitch to happen, you have to fall into an 'invisible tunnel' between the lasers. The entry point of that tunnel is lower than the height you strafe at from the riser, and higher than the lowest laser (obviously). So you have to be lucky to fall into it really. Using the above strat, if you start strafing after you see yourself falling down, you're too late already. There's no anticipating to it, just have to get the timing right to increase your chances. the total height of the tunnel is prob the exact same height as your player when double crouched, and that's what makes it so hard to pull it off.
(https://i.imgur.com/3kRKQ.png)
if you start strafing and turning too SOON, you hit the laser above you with your head
if you turn and strafe too LATE, you hit the laser underneath you.
that could help a bit with improving your timing?
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Investigation glitch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uZnyXUvK1s#)
example of Bully performing the glitch. as you use C left strafe first, you move slower so you fall down earlier as well. You have to enter the lasers sooner as well compared to how illu/clemens used to do it.
also illustrates well how close you have to stand in front of the lasers.
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Yea anything that could help with the timing is great, nice job in explaining that all so well.
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good stuff, I agree it looks like what's needed is to move parallel at first then go up in the correct spot.
I don't consider this is a glitch though--it's just a spot there's nothing holding you back from advancing. ie you're not actually going through a laser. I consider this more like jumping over a wall in kart, like a shortcut. That's semantics I'm sure will be ignored so w/e.