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The Big Three Plus One => GoldenEye 007 => Topic started by: Henning Blom on November 18, 2012, 07:15:15 pm
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Yeah are my runs real or not. Thats the question for everyone right now.
Yes they are real, they happened and I have no reason to lie about this but why did the game show the phantom cinema for 100; 106 and 107? I think this is very interesting how this happened because it should have not. I also cant redo this myself on this very cart where I got those wr's on so is my cart bugged, if so why did it bug on those three runs? I do not have the originals left so this whole thing sucks and I guess the times will be taken down unless someone can find a reason to why that happened and all I have to do is just suck it up. I hope some TAS ppl could take a look into this for some answer to justify my wr's and if there's nothing then there is not much that I can do about this and its up to the community/mods to decide what will happen to these times.
Ive never faked any run whatsoever and I do not own a gameshark or anything like that to fake best times and shit I assure everyone that though its impossible to prove a claim like that too so its looking dark. Oh well.. :-?
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I don't know Henning. I know Frigate as well or better than anyone here (except maybe Henrik) and I was the one who brought this to Clemens' attention (who then told Marc and it spread from there.) It's something that I guess not everyone actually knows; that if you finish with no weapon, the cinema will have you putting away the PP7, and is something that could easily be overlooked when faking videos through the splicing method (like I used in 2007.)
I just want to say that myself, octo, others, have lied about times, faked vids, pictures, etc, but since we were honest with everyone we were eventually forgiven and gained our respect back.
I know I stood up for you last night regarding your 47, which I know is legit because I saw it and saw everything that happened with my own eyes. But I'm close to 100% certain that your Frigate times are not legit, again, based on what I've seen with my own eyes. I can completely understand why you'd do this on Frigate of all levels... I can understand better than most since I've done it :p We all get frustrated and do silly things. It's just better to own up to your truths sooner rather than later.
Ever since I faked those videos in 2007, I've realized that truth is one of the most important things in life. If you don't want someone to find out something about you... don't do it. Act in such a way that if someone were to speak poorly about you, no one would believe it. Just do good things and let the truth do the talking. "Fake people must wake up every morning worrying if its the day their thruths come out. Its easier to be real!"
I just hope this all sorts itself out.
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this topic reminds me of that HORRIBLE fake vid Goose made that was so obviously fake that I can still lol about it
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I'm willing to bet Henning accidentally hit the A button at the last possible frame to bring the Phantom back out (since it's the last thing you select before you run to the end). I habitually switch weapons into fadeout for fun and this could very well be the case; of course Henning's runs are real!
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We tried recreating this and it doesn't work. Either you pull the Phantom out before the fade (thus seeing the Phantom get pulled) or you fail it and you go in with defuser/unarmed and pull out the PP7 in the cinema. Also, the likelihood of Henning "accidentally" doing this on all of 100/106/107 is just silly; PLUS he would probably remember if he was intentionally doing something like that.
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Pretty sure henning's runs are for real, but it's very bizarre. The objective C not being up on control sa was weird too, but why would he fake that, it was 411 or something lol. I bet Henning's cart is just really fucked up or something, or there's something we have overlooked.
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I just made 2 vids to see if I can see a difference about the 101 Clemens's run and Henning's 100. I guess it show NOTHING at all since the time they pause + the way they compressed the vids can change etc + they used different strat as well. All this can change a lot of things. Well I still share it up.
Runs start at the exact same frame:
FrigTest01 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWsbOw8G-6s#ws)
3 black frame seems "missing" before completed obj show up in the 100 vid. Again it can HIGHLY be because of the compression.
FrigTest02 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-HjG5u5WFE#ws)
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OK this is it. No need to waste more time on this and want to be honest with this now.
Yes, I did fake those runs. The 1:07 and 1:06 are faked using a gameshark, all objectives completed cheat. The endscreens are perfect because I just killed the amount of guards needed with the amount of headshots/bodyhits/limbhits/others, bullets shot, weapon of choise, because I knew what the failed endscreen said and did all that to create the perfect endscreen with cinema and then put it togheter into a complete run. The Phantom cinema was something I completely overlooked though. My real pr is 1:08 which I stupid me never made a vid of so my best actual proven time is 1:11. I have spent some time to get a legit 1:06 but have yet to get it.
HOWEVER. Regarding the 1:00. No matter what you guys will think from now on, that run DID complete and is a REAL World Record. The thing with that one is that the time did not save and had a best time of 1:04 plus I already had that tns 23 so it felt all stupid and this is where I thought about this all editing stuff in the beginning because I already had a gameshark for a little while (tho this was not the purpose I originally intended to use it for) and I knew everyone would hate on two tns's wr's and made the most stupid decision in my life and faked the cinema/endscreen so this was the reason why it took kinda longish for me to make that vid that day when I got that wr. I only did that to make the wr feel better, look better and then I made it easier for myself to get this 300 point stage and completely faked 1:07/1:06.
About the Control SA 4:11 vid though. That one was never faked, I have no idea what happened and why it completed but the game must have glitched somehow. All my other times/pr's are real too which means that the only times I have really faked are 1:07 and 1:06 and I'll remove them from the rankings myself and will put my time at 1:11 but the question is; what will happen with the 1:00 since that was actually a completion? I guess I deserve to have it taken down maybe because I messed that vid up with that edit and I cant really be trusted, and also for being a dick and lieing to everyone about 1:07/1:06 so yeah, its a fair price Im willing to pay if Elite dont want that WR up on the ranks, I'll remove it myself if this is the decision.
This also means I didn't really make third place until I had 42 on Depot Secret Agent and that me and David were tied for a long time on Frigate with 297 points each, Davids 1:07 was untied all the time and that David's 1:06 was actually a untied all the time until Luke tied it. My career total untieds are at a number of 4, not 5. On a sidenote I do not own a gameshark anymore as I threw it away a long time ago to prevent myself faking more times if I ever got tempted again because once you have done it, its easy to do it again.
The only good thing about this mess is that this shows you cant even trust a trusted eliter, also this give more experience about Frigate on how to see if a run is faked or not. No matter how much I really hate cheating (lol the irony in this) I still did it myself.
Im really sorry about this; elite, David, Marc, Bryan, Adam, Axel, Luke, Ace, Ilari, everyone else I spoke to, lied to, was willing to defend these times... but this is the truth, I am a cheater. Hate me all you want, I deserve it but I just hope that one day, everyone here will forgive me about this very stupid mistake... :'( :'( :'(
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It was very bold of you to admit that you faked those times. Most people would just try to fight it out with the lie until the argument is over in the liar's favor. I would like to congratulate you for being honest with the community, I think we all appreciate people saying the truth. It just makes everything more quicker and easier. I understand your deep regret for what you did and I understand how sorry you are to everybody you lied to. I'm also going to forgive you as you did not spark up a gigantic argument and start disrespecting people in the Elite. You also admitted rather quickly once this whole thing came up. I hope the rest of the community feels the same way with no hard feelings.
I'd also like to thank Goose for being the awesome detective. Very vigilant and I'm sure everyone should be thankful for you. Well-spotted Goose.
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It was very bold of you to admit that you faked those times. Most people would just try to fight it out with the lie until the argument is over in the liar's favor. I would like to congratulate you for being honest with the community, I think we all appreciate people saying the truth. It just makes everything more quicker and easier. I understand your deep regret for what you did and I understand how sorry you are to everybody you lied to. I'm also going to forgive you as you did not spark up a gigantic argument and start disrespecting people in the Elite. You also admitted rather quickly once this whole thing came up. I hope the rest of the community feels the same way with no hard feelings.
I'd also like to thank Goose for being the awesome detective. Very vigilant and I'm sure everyone should be thankful for you. Well-spotted Goose.
you cant really say that just yet. It's hard if not impossible to determine where the truth/lie border is now in Hennings times. Why would anyone at this point trust anything else he says. You can't just accept this post and be done with it and believe he will speak the truth from now onwards. You dont deserve ANY credit for admitting fakes.
that being said, I hope the honest part in Henning prevailed for good and this mess gets sorted out.
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Well I never really said that I trust the rest of his times or that he WILL speak the truth from now on. I EXPECT him to say the truth from now on, that would be the best thing to do. Also with this whole mess, it has obviously raised suspicion on the legitimacy of his other times. However, I still think he deserves some sort of credit for telling the truth. It's much better than not doing so for a longer period of time. If he didn't admit to the fakes, it would make the mess get bigger and more lengthy which we all do not want.
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no you dont deserve a single bit of credit, you can only restore trust by not lying ever again. This is how it works, IRL and also in The Elite. End of story. The worst part about this is that Henning has made a lot of IRL friends in The Elite and he lied to them as well. He better apologizes to them personally for being a lousy friend but who am I to tell what other people should do and make moral statements.
fuck this shit.
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Well I guess it does suck to have a guy that has many friends and is 3rd place in the world and realise that he faked a couple of times. Kind of just ruins it so I understand your opinion.
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1:00 is taken down to 1:05 now.
I dont assume anyone here to trust anything that I say. I understand this. I do not deserve credit for finally relevealing the truth like Cara said. I deserve nothing, and Im willing to face the consequenses of my actions and what Ive done.
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All I can say is that I'm very disappointed.
I first suspected it early after Goose brought it up but Henning's past record prevented me from really believing such a thing like this. I viewed countless of Frigate runs, all by Henning, and a lot of vids from other players in hope to find something similar. I obviously found nothing.
It's kind of ironic that a cheater discovered it, but I guess Goose deserves credit for this. Nice job Ryan! At the same time I'm really surprised that no one discovered it at an earlier stage (including myself). I guess you have to partly blame me for this for not being observant enough, though being a proof mod is not always an easy job. Add to that Henning's past record and to me, who has known him for over 6 years, he's like the least person you ever expected to cheat (he was one of the first to get 60/60 and always had countless of vids etc; not a solid argument as obviously anyone can fake vids nowadays but still).
Also ironic that I DID discover that glitch on his Control 411 but Henning claimed it to be real and that's not really a run worth faking so I guess we have to take his word for it regarding that run.
I'm not sure what's most upsetting: that the WRs remained on the ranks (as untieds) for almost two years or that Henning, in a rather desperate move, yesterday did anything in his power to make us still believe the runs were legit. I guess he just should've admit it instantly but instead chose to not act very smart (kinda similar to my fail on the pause-glitch issue) which wasn't very nice when taking into perspective.
Henning has himself put his times down, including 1:00 as no WR on the ranks should be without a video.
I sympathize with him and I can perfectly see why he faked those runs but still...it's not a respectable thing to do. And he doesn't really deserve any big credit for revealing the truth as a discovery by Goose ultimately forced him to speak out. I'm saying it would've looked so much better if Henning revealed this earlier.
I'm sure Henning will ultimately be forgiven for his but this entire issue will certainly lead to consequences. The final irony about this matter is that he did get an untied as late as two days ago, only to have his other one taken down.
Anyway, Henning will always, no matter what, still be one of my best friends within the-elite, that's for sure!
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I don't post much on the GE boards but I gotta say that I'm pretty shocked about this. My impression of Henning has always been that he's one of the most reliable eliters.
Henning, you're an extremely talented player and have no reason whatsoever to lie about any times. It's so unnecessary to lower the whole elite's trust in you for something like this. Plus, what's the point of cheating, seriously? It can't possible feel good to look at the ranks knowing some of your times are fake.
Having that said, we all do stupid shit sometimes and you seem like a really cool person overall, and that's how I think other people view you as well. I'm sure you'll be forgiven given some time as long as you don't do something similar.
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Wow. Un-fucking-believable. Cant even put into words how sad and disappointed this has made me. I trusted you as a good friend, and I remember in Sweden when you talked about how epic getting 1:00 was. However, you still deserve your times on the ranks since all of the others are obv real.
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Okay. I have a lot to say in regards to this matter. Everyone remembers what happened almost exactly 5 years ago when I was an angsty teenage virgin, before I was a true man. On top of this, I was the one who pointed out the problem with Henning's Frigate runs, so I have a lot of good insight to post here.
Firstly, I can understand why someone would post a fake video. Fact of the matter is, all the top players work very hard for their PRs, and it can get very frustrating when Clemens/Marc/Ace who are all far ahead of the other top players can cake WRs you are working your ass off for. I can relate to being upset, making a fake vid, and posting it for a day or a few days until your rage has worn off and then being like "yeah that was fake, I trolled olol." Whatever. That shit happens. People do a lot of stupid shit when they are put into stressful situations that both mean a lot to them, and they can't handle. This is why girls cheat on boyfriends, this is why boys go crazy when their girlfriends cheat, this is why people fake vids, etc. Even Clemens has posted a bunch of fake times when someone got an untied WR, pretending to tie it, only to admit it was a fake post later. Everyone does this, rages for a day or two, it happens and is forgiveable.
What is not forgiveable in this case is the fact that Henning kept this lie going for almost 2 years now... and he would have kept it going forever if I had not caught it. It is such an obvious error and I am shocked that no one caught this. I would have caught it day 1 but I was away from the elite for the entire time the record was posted and had not watched WR videos until recently. I noticed this a few weeks ago but was trying to figure out to bring this up.
Any time anyone complimented Henning on his Frigate WRs, he would have to lie, pretending like he actually achieved them to show gratitude. On top of this, at the Sweden meet, Henning would have had to look Clemens, Alex, Marc, Illu, Patrik, Eise, Axel Z, etc etc etc in the eye, when they are all complimenting him on his Frigate WRs, pretending as if he actually got them. This reminds me of my ex girlfriend looking my parents in the eye when I introduced her to them, KNOWING she was cheating on me with her ex boyfriend at the time... and she still had the audacity to shake my parents' hands as my girlfriend... this is what Henning did to his FRIENDS in the elite. And it absolutely sickens me.
On top of this, look at Henning's post at the start of this thread. He is actually trying to get Henrik and other TASers to WASTE THEIR TIME trying to figure out a way to make what he FAKED in his vids to be possible. And on top of THAT in the confession post, he even tries to save face by mentioning how his 1:00 is still real.
- well if it was real with time not saved... surely you still have a video of that right? I mean almost all the top players have at least 1 time not saved time on the ranks. They count. So surely you kept the unedited vid?
No. Surely not.
An even sadder fact? Henning probably never would have confessed to this ever. It went over everyone's head for two years and he showed no sign of telling the truth. The whole while, everyone was going on and on about how well respected and honest of a person he is. And the saddest or most troll part of all.... if Henning actually understood how the Frigate end cinema works, and edited a video with the PP7 instead... he never would have been caught. Ever.
We truly do not have any reason to believe anything Henning says right now. The 1:00/1:06 being reverted to 1:05/1:11 is a good start. I haven't watched the Control video yet but it sounds fake so I will get to that soon. I saw his Depot 00 0:47 live, but it is under extremely sketchy circumstances so maybe we need to go over this again. This means Henning's only truly legit untied ever was Surface 2 1:27.... and people still question me when I say he is not a top 7 player when it comes to untieds...
Anyways, I recommend going over his PR videos for anything sketchy. I will obviously be doing this over the next while. And any future claims by Henning will have to be looked at carefully to ensure legitimacy.
I understand a lot of people don't know how to feel right now. Personally I was never good friends with Henning, so I am telling it as it is. But for most of you, I'm sure the feeling is similar to being cheated on by a woman you love... you don't want to believe it, you still are in love with her... but it just fucking sucks and it will take a while to figure out your feelings. That's fine. Take a while. There's nothing to rush here.
After I faked my set of videos (which was done for 1 week in an attempt to troll the admin and moderators to bring improvements to the elite) I learned what kind of chaos lying causes and should not be done under any circumstances. I've lived my life in such a way since that I only honor the truth... kind of like Ned Stark. Live your life in such a way that if someone were to speak poorly about you... no one would believe it.
When I left the elite for a good while, I basically got screwed over by a girl, and a small town which were full of liars and cheaters who did not value the truth whatsoever. Their entire lives were built around lying and cheating and doing whatever they wanted and getting away with it. Even faced with all that adversity, I stayed true to my character and never once lied. I tried to let the truth do the talking. Sad fact of the world today is that almost everywhere you go, more people will be liars than truth tellers. More people will try to screw over others and get what they want, than they will try to be honorable and help others. This is reality. This is the world we live in. When it comes to my personal matter, the truth is still talking... but I have to believe that some day, the truth will all come out and everything will be OK.
And this is a large reason why I came back to the elite. The elite has always been a place that valued the truth greatly. Liars and cheaters are looked down upon, and truth tellers are respected. It is unlike all these other places in the world where no one cares about the truth and are just willing to eat up lies. The elite actually values the truth, honor, and hard work.
I hope the elite can stay that way through this difficult time and remain the sanctuary of honor and truth it has always been.
FWIW - I'm pretty sure Henning's Frigate Agent 0:23 is fake as well, given how the sound cuts off in the last 1 second until the cinema begins. He can have a chance to defend that one too...
People who don't think Control SA 4:11 is "worth faking" are jokers. Why were two of the runs I faked Train 00 1:59 and Caverns 00 1:41? Because they're PRs better than I could complete at the time, on levels which are extremely annoying to complete (Control SA is one of these levels.) And if you fake an average or decent PR, less people will be suspicious.
I haven't even watched the run yet so I'm holding judgement. But people saying there's no point to faking that, when we're talking about a now proven, confessed faker, is pretty sad or hilarious. Not sure which.
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Hugely disappointed right now. I think Ryan has a lot of good points here.
Ultimately it is a matter of trust. How is one to know that Depot SA :47 wasn't faked now? I didn't see it streamed, all I see is a video that shows :48 at one point and :47 at another which could have been gamesharked as well. It's very sad. Also very disappointing that Henning tried to defend himself at first and asked others to help him "prove" his times. So very, very disappointing.
Henning, I am glad you 'fessed up and that you realize that no one should take you at your word now. I'm sure there are regrets. I hope they are honestly repentant regrets and not just regrets at being caught. I can't imagine how miserable you must be feeling now, don't do anything stupid. On the other hand I think everyone else is going to feel miserable, angry, etc. for being lied to. Part of me wants a "no tolerance" for cheating like this, with a permanent ban and deletion of ALL times. That's how serious the loss of trust can be. The other part really wishes that it is over now and you could be trusted in the future. Unfortunately that can only be a wish at this point.
So very sorry.
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What I find most disappointing is that you let them stay on the rankings for I don't know how long and (probably) would never have admitted to it had you not overlooked the Phantom issue.
it can get very frustrating when Clemens/Marc/Ace who are all far ahead of the other top players can cake WRs you are working your ass off for.
I can't speak for Clemens or Marc, but it's not always true for me even if I imply otherwise through some of my posts. I don't want to go into details but obviously there are times which I struggle for like Control 3:59. I can understand the motive behind faking videos but it is not cool at all. Why bother speedrunning if you can't take it and decide to fake videos instead?
It's probably very easy (for a top player) to fake a Frigate WR so any Frigate videos should be meticulously anaylsed IMO. Same goes for any untied that isn't gotten on stream.
In any case, Henning is still a cool guy. :)
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I would have caught it day 1 but I was away from the elite for the entire time the record was posted and had not watched WR videos until recently. I noticed this a few weeks ago but was trying to figure out to bring this up.
Not exactly true, you were the first commenter after the video was put up :)
http://elite.speedrunwiki.com/forum/index.php?topic=843.5600 (http://elite.speedrunwiki.com/forum/index.php?topic=843.5600)
But check through that section of the thread to see all of the congratulations being given (thus people who were lied to and hurt). Culminating with this response from Henning:
Thanks guys Smiley
Im sure that Dave will tie this record anyways, Makke, and you too probably Tongue I think consistency is the key for Frigate. I had loads and loads of 106 fails this last session every other run and with the older fails I kinda knew it would complete eventually and when I got 1:07 it was the same, just even more consistent overall, and of course some luck but 1:06 still took me atleast 25 hours, was a long time ago I played this hardcore. I guess its thanks to you also, I might not have played it today if you didnt convince me last night =) Grin
That is why this situation is so disappointing.
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Lets all thank Goose for being such a massive nerd with too much time on his hands, or we never would have discovered this terrible secret!
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lool marc
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Wow I have to admit I'm pretty surprised here but as far as I saw some sketchy things I always been sceptical. I still remember when Henning got it and told me on AIM how he was happy to finally got an untied (other than 127). He seemed to struggle so much about Agent that it was "normal" he got SA/00 "fast and easy". Anyone feeled great that it finally paid him off.
It just show how it's easy to fake vids that look real nowdays. I study in animation and need sometime to "patch" video etc and I always thought it was too easy to fake a GE vid since it's have no special animation or anything that can be hard to "photoshop" on the end screen (not like PD + with the timer while playing + OBJ show big in the middle of the screen when it complete etc).
I guess it's a "good thing" that it happened/got revealed. Just show how anybody can fake vid and you can't trust nobody. In the futur I hope we'll always stay sceptic at any new Frigate WRs great PRs no matter what. I'll just stay sceptical at ANY sketchy vids.
I have to admit the sketchy situation about the Depot 47 + the control run where an obj didn't showed off make me really sceptical about the legit of these runs. Didn't remember a sketchy thing about Henning's Frigate A, but if Goose saw something weird I'd say it's have to be checked too. I remember Henning posting a lot of fails on Control and hating the level where he wasn't able to only get that PR completed. Same as Depot. It's really hard now to say which time is real or not but (not that it is but) actually we can't know which time is real or not. I guess any sketchy vids should be checked meticulously if Henning don't admit which is fake or not. Nobody can know if he don't admit it, but we can remove the times with sketchy situations though (sorry to being hard with you Henning but it's the only way to get the rankings as legit as we can know IMO). Can be exaggerated but no one can know how far this can go, how many times can be fake from him.
How much time would it ask to fake vids, at MAX 5h? When you play 50 hours++ for a WR I guess it's easy to do the math and see that it's easier/faster to fake a vid then playing so much hours to maybe getting what you want. even if it's hard to fake the vid, the time it take is way lesser than playing all these hours to see your time on the ranks. Henning seems to have a lot of love for The-Elite and the WRs rankings so it was probably his easier way to get to the top, knowing the times he need to get to climb now needed ridic amount of hours to get.
That said, I still think Henning is a great person and he's a cool guy anyway. Only I'll sadly being sceptical every time he'll post a new time or any sketchy vids/situation a new time will show up. I guess after all this, only time and truth speaking from himself will make him get back the trust he deserve.
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I have a confession to make. I feel so horrible for this and this is probably going to be nearly as shocking and even adds more drama, but ive known from the start about these times being faked. Henning told me from day 1 that he edited the runs and I felt bad so i let him just keep the untieds as long as he promised to never do it again. We shared 106 as wr which made ace lose points and 100 was his only untied so i decided I would just let him have it.
Now I know people are going to be so angry at me now too, but I had to tell everyone this because i cant watch everyone blame Henning. I am equally to blame because I allowed it to happen and I even told him I would back him up if people accused the runs of being faked, which I did when Goose first came out with the info. Obviously I knew right away Henning was screwed but i tried to convince people it was a glitch etc. Anyway i think people should forgive Henning because he clearly hasnt faked any other runs (if he did, he would have told me...) and just cut him some slack for being angry at GE for a moment. I've never faked a legit vid myself, nor would I intend to, but i understand the moment he was in and why he did it, as he was so upset that he got a time not saved on 23 and then later 1:00.
Preparing to be flamed to the grave for this, but I just couldnt hold back. Whatever happens happens.
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LOOOOOOOOOOL
This situation is starting to get RIDICULOUS
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LMAO I truly do not believe Clemens' post. I think he is just trying to take heat off of Henning and onto himself here. I told Clemens last night, and that was IT. Then I go to Marc's channel and Marc is talking about it. So Clemens obviously told Marc + others. If Clemens was keeping this a secret, then I doubt he would have been the one to break it to Marc + others.
Either way, even if it is true, I don't think it matters at all. I guess it's kind of shitty that Clemens allowed it to happen, but he's ultimately not the one responsible. And I understand it would be hard to out a friend for faking a run. So I don't really care about that Clemens post.
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I am so disappointed, I bleed when I shit.
To cheer everyone up, I chose a cute avatar.
On the other hand, I do feel challenged to ruin WRs with unrighteous measures now that it is en vogue.
Good job Goose, people from the Americas seem to be awesome detectives. Also, awesome two years of 106 untiedness Clemens in hindsight!
Pants down Henning, how many video cuts do your so-called single-segment records include? Those look ultrafishy in the new unveiled state of affairs.
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Pants down Henning, how many video cuts do your so-called single-segment records include? Those look ultrafishy in the new unveiled state of affairs.
LMAO I truly do not believe Clemens' post. I think he is just trying to take heat off of Henning and onto himself here.
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What does it matter what I say, you wont believe me anyway. Also if I faked those, why did I not fake a new 00 Agent record so Id have all three OR any real time wr's? Either way what you guys think I have confessed and the wrong times are taken down from the rankings and my times are where they should be. Yes I should have revealed this earlier, and I was close to several times but never had to courage to really do it, I can admit that I am a coward. What I did was wrong and whats been done cannot be undone but seriosly, noone is perfect and you guys makes this a lot bigger than it has to be. I am regretfull for my stupid moves/decisions I made in early 2011 and I regretted several times since I posted those fake times. I dont hate on Goose for discovering this, in fact I think it was good because it forced me to reveal the truth. I was desperate last night and couldnt think straight but then had the night to think through and posted that confession post.
Brio: I struggled for 4:08 on Control SA and I never got it, I even failed 4:07's so why did I not fake 4:07, or at least 4:08? Yeah this doesnt make sense really if I faked all my times and I have 4:11 00A on JAP which is just as good as a 4:08 on SA, I failed 4:09 on 00A but I never claimed that wr either, also several 4:10's, if I cheated then Id have 3:58 on Agent which I failed several times, 4:07 and 4:09/4:10 on Control but I do not. Depot 47 took me a long time like it should have because its a sweet untied so I dont really see why you think I faked this run just because of a stupid B press, I can provide the original file for this wr and you can look at it frame by frame, hell take a look at 48 too, so thats no problem. I even said it before. Besides, if I never faked the 00A 1:06, Clem wouldnt have had that wr for that long either and goose, dont forget the Caverns 00A 1:33 that I got on the 2011 Sweden meet :nesquik:
I will bring or at least keep the.vob files for every time I get from now and once requested Id provide them to anyone who wants it. Anyway and I will be around playing this game, getting new pr's, wr's and untieds, no matter if you guys like it or not.
I also suggest that I get locked up on the rankings so I cant post times myself and that I have to provide proof before the times gets updated by a moderator.
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As other people have said, it's too easy to fake vids in GE since it has no in-game timer on the screen. What's the point even trying when people can just fake stuff? Technology is a such that they can be faked perfectly in GE with the effort. I'd have to bet there's other fakes on Frigate/Statue/Control or some other consistent level that requires 1 key luck factor to complete. This is pretty disappointing. I might just stay in PD for good now because of it since that has the in-game timer which would be much harder to fake.
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Henning, I'm sorry you feel that way but you're not really in a position to be disgruntled.
Perhaps you don't realize the seriousness of losing trust. It is a betrayal.
I think it's unfortunate because I am absolutely certain you are very skilled and have thoroughly enjoyed watching probably almost all of your records and was rooting for you to get :47 Depot SA. Unfortunately now I can't really be certain they are real because I only have your word, which at this point in time is unreliable. I'm sorry but that's the consequence and no one likes it.
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What an unfortunate turn of events. I didn't think Henning was capable of doing something like this, especially as long as this has gone on. Props to Goose for spotting the inconsistency though, it'd be a damn shame if this had never been caught.
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Henning isn't acting like someone who just made a mistake this one time.
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Henning isn't acting like someone who just made a mistake this one time.
I'd prefer not, but I have to be agree with that.
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at the very least, we're basically at the point where even vids have to be shown a skeptical face, are we only going to have things considered proof if it was streamed now?
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at the very least, we're basically at the point where even vids have to be shown a skeptical face, are we only going to have things considered proof if it was streamed now?
Well I'll push it far, but even there you can record a fake session and edit it, then play that vid in stream.. Which can be fake again.
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God damnit man, right as I was finally making headway towards making a friendship with Henning (aka making a huge post on the front page for him, always watching his streams and talking to him when he's in my twitch room, etc), this has to happen? Seriously? Goose is right, this is very hard to believe and accept since we as proof moderators failed to do our jobs.
There's a GameShark code which puts the FR in the same spot every single time, and I often joked about using it but obviously never attempted such a thing. If Henning can perfectly splice together videos like this, what else have we missed?
Clemens is definitely lying, he can't keep a secret to save his life. Goose is on fire with his instincts right now.
Wheat: Streaming with a game-cam might be the best solution for Henning from now on, great point.
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Yes they are real, they happened and I have no reason to lie about this
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From the expert ( and like BRIO mentioned; )
- make fake Frigate 1:00 video or whatever time you want
- play a 40 minute session on DVD
- edit the fake video to be the last run on that session
- burn it all back on to DVD
- stream the DVD recording along with some bullshit commentary
- pretend to get excited when your fake run happens
= CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW UNTIED WORLD RECORD
I almost 100% have to believe Henning's single segment runs are indeed spliced. This is so easy to fake. Like Wheat says, Henning isn't acting like the Frigate vids are his only fakes, nor does he seem very sorry.
I don't even know what to do anymore.
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Henning Blom - Frigate Agent 0:23 (World Record) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JohDAdqizQA#)
If someone can explain to me why the audio of this video cuts out in the last 1 second of play time, and restarts during the completion cinema, that would be great.
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When Henning got Depot 48 in the world record topic he wrote. "Another now fully legit record." Bit of a strange thing to write isn't it? lol. Also in his full game speedruns on youtube of A and 00A he specifies they were done without cheats and gameshark. Why would he need to tell us this? Do most people do this? Oh well, just an observation.
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- the "now a legit record" comment is in regards to Boss and Monteith using 3rd party controllers on their Depot untieds, whereas Henning did them with original Nintendo controllers.
- generally on full game runs that we hope or expect will get new viewers on Youtube, we write "no cheats or gameshark" since noobs ask these stupid questions. Pretty standard for these kinds of runs and Youtube uploading.
So those are not suspect at all. (not that it's not possible that they're all faked, just that they are not suspicious for the reasons you mentioned.)
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I thought it might be something like that, I was pretty hesitant in posting at first. Ah well.
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I like Henning.
The most important thing I learned from this topic is that Ryan White is still as much a little boy as he always was.
Also, I've lied about times in the past (although sadly, none of my false times remain on the rankings (sadface)). Everyone does it. It's like, celebrities doing drugs. Everyone knows they do it but no one cares because they are all so good looking and talented. Just like me, just like Henning <3
I did have a false glimmer of hope that this community would be awesome. But it's just a dream for me, and always will be.
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Wouter Jansen is probably still the legitimate champ with all these fake WR's lying around...
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Well lets keep the confessions coming shall we..
But yea my confession is alot worse, it's not even about fake times... the thing is I never gave a shit, I only joined the elite because I wanted to find a GF, I thought this would get me some attention from girls but there were just guys around here. So yea I kept looking for a GF all the time, I had one GF and that relationship was like only half serious, so when it failed I went back to get WRs, not because I really cared but because I was too much of a loser in real life, to me it was easier to get untieds than to find a GF.
So like, my times might not be fake, but I am fake.
That Henning fakes times shows that he actually cares about speedrunning.
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The most important thing I learned from this topic is that Ryan White is still as much a little boy as he always was.
My god, some sanity.
I take back all the insults if it turns out he's autistic though.
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So like, my times might not be fake, but I am fake.
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I just think Goose wanted the girl to not screw around with other guys.
I think it's better to go over stuff like this in the beginning, just ask your girl like: you wanna fuck around with other guys or not?
My ex said she wanted to, but when I said alright I'll go and contact some other girls then she went mad like hell. So basically we had a dilemma here, she wanted to do something I would not be allowed to so we decided to ban screwing around others completely, I would have been open to it if we both agreed on it but nope she didn't want that.
So I dunno I'm kinda fucked now anyway, why the hell should I even give advice on this with my 0.1% experience of relationships?
So like anyways I've been trolling in aces stream chat for this whole day and like I told someone I'm not even trolling but actually talking lots of truth but it just comes off in a troll way.
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yea Goose.. I think I finally found out why I chose the name Illu.
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Fuck women, get World Records (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitchtvfaces.com%2Fimages%2FWinWaker.png&hash=062e97fde49055608cad08fc6d22521a77331b16)
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I got into a kinda defending mode last night and thats probably quite natural when you all attack me like this by saying that like all my runs are fake? Tho I did this myself so I earn it. Yes who knows, its only me who will know so yeah I can see why actually you think so and Im sorry about that. But I cant do much more now, like I said my times are where they should be. Id be streaming everything on twitch from now on as well and Jimbo had a good idea about fixing a game cam which I would eventually anyway but I cant do much more than that.
To defend the 47: If I were to record a session and slice it togheter and re record it to the DVD, dont you think that the quality would drop instantly and that would be easy to notice? I would have to render the .vob to then slice it togheter with the other vid and render it again to a whole file and then re record it to DVD making the quality go down shitlot so quality would actually basically be shit on the new .vob by this point and wouldnt even compare to a original .vob and I DO have the original here. Also I have a nice .wmv of 47 so that would mean I would have to again, render it making quality drop even more and basically this would be like a black screen and same with twitch.tv so I think what you think I might have done to the 47 is really out of question here. I can provide 7 of the 48s with the same quality as 47 as well since thats the amount of 48s I saved and all these are clearly slower than the 47 too. Now Im just figuring a way how to get the .vob's to computer so I can share it/them.
And once again Elite, Im sorry.
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Quite honestly, I'm really glad you've not given up speedrunning and just left Henning. And it looks like you will try to do everything you can to prove your honesty in the future so I for one am going to be looking forward to seeing more records from you.
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I like Henning.
The most important thing I learned from this topic is that Ryan White is still as much a little boy as he always was.
Also, I've lied about times in the past (although sadly, none of my false times remain on the rankings (sadface)). Everyone does it. It's like, celebrities doing drugs. Everyone knows they do it but no one cares because they are all so good looking and talented. Just like me, just like Henning <3
I did have a false glimmer of hope that this community would be awesome. But it's just a dream for me, and always will be.
stop the romantic bs about cheating, Karl. and the whole celebrities argument is just pathetic.
Also you're still adressing goose's immaturity but tbqh YOU are the one posting the controversial "ryan white style" posts here at the moment. Easy picking the side everyone is against and defending it was a classic goose troll back in 2007.
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Well lets keep the confessions coming shall we..
But yea my confession is alot worse, it's not even about fake times... the thing is I never gave a shit, I only joined the elite because I wanted to find a GF, I thought this would get me some attention from girls but there were just guys around here. So yea I kept looking for a GF all the time, I had one GF and that relationship was like only half serious, so when it failed I went back to get WRs, not because I really cared but because I was too much of a loser in real life, to me it was easier to get untieds than to find a GF.
So like, my times might not be fake, but I am fake.
That Henning fakes times shows that he actually cares about speedrunning.
Wrong topic
http://elite.speedrunwiki.com/forum/index.php?topic=18245.msg377557#new (http://elite.speedrunwiki.com/forum/index.php?topic=18245.msg377557#new)
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thanks :-[
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Henning Blom - Frigate Agent 0:23 (World Record) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JohDAdqizQA#)
If someone can explain to me why the audio of this video cuts out in the last 1 second of play time, and restarts during the completion cinema, that would be great.
Sorry for intruding, but Ive been lurking here for a long while. Im not a great GE player by any means, but I have been a part of other world record/elite communities, and this kind of stuff happens all the time. That said, I am also an aspiring editor in LA, so I decided to take a look at this Frigate :23 run for any sign of editing or trickery.
Firstly, not sure why you think the audio dumps only at that spot and only for 1 second. Checking the wave form of it, there are many silent spots in the level since he plays with the music off, including in the same position at the start of the level. Also no spikes in audio ever, so if he did edit this, he did a good job with the audio mixing.
Secondly, there were three things that made me pause while trying to determine its authenticity, but upon doing my own research (actually turning the game on myself), they all turned out to be 100% normal.
Thirdly, from his admittedly fake videos, its rather easy to see the extent of his editing skills. In my opinion, for whatever it is worth, the Frigate :23 is not only legit, its actually slightly faster than the other :23's I looked at, by over half a second in some cases.
And back to the shadows I go.
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The most important thing I learned from this topic is that Ryan White is still as much a little boy as he always was.
My god, some sanity.
I take back all the insults if it turns out he's autistic though.
Ugh, me?
The best animal is a goose btw.
You? Where did I mention you?
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Carathorn you are such a n00b. You do realise ive been a part of the elite since 1999 right? 'gooses' 2007 troll style, and his recent outpourings of stupidity are nothing more than a rehash of the classic 'K..' style of 2002. I dont claim to be mauture in every 2nd post just because some girl cheated on me. However anyone who has met know im just fucking around on the boards.
The fact that you took my post seriously is a fucking joke.
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Karl for Prez
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"Even trusted friends are capable of betrayal."
- Mishkin
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The fact that you took my post seriously is a fucking joke.
who said I did (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitchtvfaces.com%2Fimages%2FKappa.png&hash=17a49619750c5c77960f8bf53f4329786773816a)
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"Even trusted friends are capable of betrayal."
- Mishkin
:'(
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Best Larkin post ever
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Just ZOMG'd and LOL'd through this whole topic!!!
A big fat "ah... dang. Henning? Really?" from me.
:-[
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Cara, if you actually didnt take my post seriously then i congratulate you on your succesful troll. Although i dont believe you.
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Cara, if you actually didnt take my post seriously then i congratulate you on your succesful troll. Although i dont believe you.
OK IT WAS HALF SERIOUS LETS SETTLE FOR A TIE
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Although i dont believe you.
Me either :nesquik:
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ok but anyways..
I just spoke to Henning about that most levels could not be faked, then he mentioned levels like caverns, jungle.. and at this point I couldn't keep silent anymore and I told the truth about my jungle sa 54.
The thing is that I faked the endscreen on that run, the run was just insane and I didn't know how insane it was until I got to the endscreen and it showed a 53.. at this point I was sure people wouldn't believe me if I posted the 53. I was sure if I edited the endscreen to show a 54 the time would still stay untied for a good while and people wouldn't say that I tried to fake the endscreen.
So yea I really have 53 jungle sa and I never got 54.
But yea with all the things people have admitted to these past days I guess I won't need to feel too bad about this anymore.
You are free to change my 54 to 53 ofcourse, and I guess I shouldn't even be saying this because this is gonna happen anyway wether I like it or not.
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where's da vid
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I'm working on it.
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I'm working on it.
lol bad start
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ok but anyways..
I just spoke to Henning about that most levels could not be faked, then he mentioned levels like caverns, jungle.. and at this point I couldn't keep silent anymore and I told the truth about my jungle sa 54.
The thing is that I faked the endscreen on that run, the run was just insane and I didn't know how insane it was until I got to the endscreen and it showed a 53.. at this point I was sure people wouldn't believe me if I posted the 53. I was sure if I edited the endscreen to show a 54 the time would still stay untied for a good while and people wouldn't say that I tried to fake the endscreen.
So yea I really have 53 jungle sa and I never got 54.
But yea with all the things people have admitted to these past days I guess I won't need to feel too bad about this anymore.
You are free to change my 54 to 53 ofcourse, and I guess I shouldn't even be saying this because this is gonna happen anyway wether I like it or not.
Never read such a bloated pile of frogshit before.
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It actually makes a lot of sense. Almost any top player will tell you Illu's 54 is the best WR ever, even a lot better than Ace's 53. So it makes a lot of sense that Illu's run is actually a 53.
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Yea you heard it, from Zenith Legend himself.
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I give you 1 hour to revoke your statement or your precious Defection 5 untied will be destroyed in a flash.
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I think Illu should change his board display name to Maya Illu, Clemens should change to DrugAgainstAngst, Boss should change to Aztec Strat Master, and everyone should go with a throwback name for epic trollness.
Anyhow
Sorry for intruding, but Ive been lurking here for a long while. Im not a great GE player by any means, but I have been a part of other world record/elite communities, and this kind of stuff happens all the time. That said, I am also an aspiring editor in LA, so I decided to take a look at this Frigate :23 run for any sign of editing or trickery.
Firstly, not sure why you think the audio dumps only at that spot and only for 1 second. Checking the wave form of it, there are many silent spots in the level since he plays with the music off, including in the same position at the start of the level. Also no spikes in audio ever, so if he did edit this, he did a good job with the audio mixing.
Secondly, there were three things that made me pause while trying to determine its authenticity, but upon doing my own research (actually turning the game on myself), they all turned out to be 100% normal.
Thirdly, from his admittedly fake videos, its rather easy to see the extent of his editing skills. In my opinion, for whatever it is worth, the Frigate :23 is not only legit, its actually slightly faster than the other :23's I looked at, by over half a second in some cases.
And back to the shadows I go.
Hello Reverv. Welcome to the elite and please don't feel discouraged if I come across as condescending or anything. I really think it's good that we're getting more people to start post so hey :)
Firstly, I haven't used any software to analyze the waves in the 23 video, but from what I can hear, the audio DOES only dump in that one spot. I'm sure a wave would have many silent spots (due to music off.) That's not what it is. If you listen to the video, there is ALWAYS this kind of static during the run, ALWAYS... EXCEPT for that one spot (around 1 second left until the cinema comes up.) I guess the wave analyzer wouldn't pick up the static, white noise spots, which is fair. But the silence with 1 second left is a different kind of silence.
Secondly, OK.
Thirdly, speed doesn't matter on this level. Sorry, I don't know your knowledge regarding the game. It doesn't matter how fast it is. It matters whether or not the hostages actually escaped. If they didn't, and he just edited in the cinema, OR if he used gameshark to complete all objectives (very possible) then of course the run would be a mid 23 failed run.
We definitely appreciate your analysis... the more eyes the better for sure. I'm just not convinced it's real yet.
Welcome to the boards :)
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I give you 1 hour to revoke your statement or your precious Defection 5 untied will be destroyed in a flash.
NNNOOOOOOOO ok I lied, I fucking lied, my 54 was a 54.. ok so now everyone has lied so we're all liars now good :)
but.. but.. if I'd wanna be picky you can watch that I did prevent a 53, I didn't edit any endscreen but I did prevent myself from getting a 53 by hesitating the warp, that's the way I did it :)
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Illu's 54 is really a 52 ;D
Goose, id explain that 23, I didnt really bother at first and the explanation is a bit weird but since you seem so eager to know why it cuts then here goes. Its legit and I know why the breezing sound cuts out.
I often make my regular versions and music versions at the same time and in many cases I keep the background audio but take away the end screen audio and you can see many cases of that on my music vids. In this case I started out making the music vid or at least playing around with it and removed all sound from the end of vid to the last spike in the run which is where the guard is shooting at me and test some music to run with it. Tho I never could decide what music I wanted so I just added back the end screen music and some more but I didnt went all the way to the spike since there was nothing to hear anyway, at least thats how I was thinking when I made that vid (I often use two of the same audio waves that I play around with and the endscreen is from 2nd one) and just rendered like it was. Might seem weird but thats why the breezing cuts out.
If this isnt enough to convince you enough that its real then ok, but thats how it is. Besides if I faked it, why would I cut out the breezing at all since if there were two vids they both would have that breezing sound and when putting them togheter you wouldnt notice anything. But still if this frig 23 vid is too iffy or whatever, that was not my first and only 23, that was my 2nd 23. I have vid of my 1st 23 on vid right here:
Henning Blom - Frigate Agent 0:23 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htOTYfeQuHo#)
That run doesnt have any breezing sound at all and thats prolly due to that I did that run when i still had my first DVD recorder, just compare to any vids that I made around that time era for confirmation (that DVD later crashed, forced me to play live with digi cam for awhile until I got the one I have now) and the 2nd one was recorded with my current recorder and Id guess its the DVD recorder or something that originally makes the breezing sound (since its not ingame). Oh well hope this clears it out. :)
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OK that does make sense. I used to make music videos similarly so I understand. And the 23 time not saved is good.
Do you have original video of the 1:00 SA time not saved?
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This topic makes me want to play werewolf.
Props to Goose for catching the detail that exposed this, but for real, things like this are bound to happen. If there's truly a GS code that puts the FR in the optimal spot all the time, anyone who wants to can use it and there's never gonna be any way to detect it. The only way would be requiring vid of the N64 in real life, but that's going too far and I'm not even sure it would help.
Please be honest! If you really want to, there are of course ways to fake your vids that we probably won't catch, but isn't it better to put that dedication into speedrunning the game honestly?
</sap> *smacks Henning*
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I actually should have that vid somewhere but not on this computer so I will take a look for it, see if I can find it. I first thought that I haven't saved it anywhere but now when I think back more it should be on a disc among the discs that is laying around here.
Yes Tyler, its deffo better to get the times for real :)
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I have seen lots of honesty too though, like telling people if we used superpad or not for 2.x times and that sort of thing.
I guess this kinds of openess about stuff kinda makes it even more chocking when we discover someone has been cheating.
I would kinda like the idea of eliminating luckfactors for some missions though (I know many wouldn't) I don't know how the cheat devices work though, I mean can you just make own cheats with them somehow?
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There are various codes that let you do generic things like have every single-weapon guard pull a Grenade (undetectable on S2 00A and SA), and specific things like putting things such as the FR in spot C every single time (random letter assignment for the optimal spot). Subdrag is the top GS code maker for the game and guys like him can manipulate ANYTHING.
I'd love to take the FR luck out of it, then you could concentrate on going balls out every single run :)
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One thing that would be cool is if there was a way to add an ingame timer with a gameshark, like they do on Super Mario 64 speedruns:
Five Itty Bitty Secrets 20"51 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW4eyt0YIhk#)
If it's possible in Mario 64, it seems like it should be possible in Goldeneye too, since goldeneye has ingame timers (like on Silo for example). Maybe someone like Subdrag could find a code for it.
An ingame timer would also prevent making fake videos... although it would be a bit ironic to use a gameshark to prevent cheating :P
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I've been thinking about that as well^^ Is watching memory without manipulating it illegal? (probably should be) It could make ALOT of things easier, for example being able to see if Doak's in the right position as soon as you leave the vents on facility.
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Wonder if those timers are sharked though, I realized when I stream I can get a timer into my run trough the xsplit program, so the timer shows on the stream but not in the game. The timer might also have been edited into the video whenever they made the vid.
But yea like I said I don't know much of what can be done with the shark devices, sounds like it could be possible I guess.
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Wonder if those timers are sharked though, I realized when I stream I can get a timer into my run trough the xsplit program, so the timer shows on the stream but not in the game. The timer might also have been edited into the video whenever they made the vid.
But yea like I said I don't know much of what can be done with the shark devices, sounds like it could be possible I guess.
The timer is sharked - 100%
When using emulator SM64 - I used a timer myself. All it did was take the timer from the Princess' slide and slap it on the main game.
In theory - it could be sharked so that the timer from silo showed up on any level - in theory. (I don't know anything about it tbh)
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A few years back, I talked briefly with Zoinkity from the GE Forever community about hacking an on-screen timer in GE. He didn't go into great detail, but he made it sound much more complicated than a simple GS code.
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I have an ingame timer GS code for GE; but it somehow adds the ending cinema time to the overall time on the end screen.
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I have an ingame timer GS code for GE; but it somehow adds the ending cinema time to the overall time on the end screen.
Cool, where did you find it? Post the code here, it can still be interesting even if it doesn't work properly.
I've been thinking about that as well^^ Is watching memory without manipulating it illegal? (probably should be) It could make ALOT of things easier, for example being able to see if Doak's in the right position as soon as you leave the vents on facility.
Yeah, things like Doak's position shouldn't be allowed, but a timer is mostly just for fun. But I guess even a timer might be a bit advantage/cheating, because you would know more precisely how close you are to a WR.