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Title: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 14, 2013, 07:42:37 pm
Lets start making this commmunity a positive place that it could be  :) The most essential, important and obvious thing that we all share, life. We were all born, and we are all going to die, so it is the truth about it that concerns us all. We all know that in the end, life all boils down to how good we feel. If the truth was something horrible, it would make sense to just ignore it and hide in the illusions of our minds, but it turns out to be the best it can be. It's my duty to share what i've found.

Truthcontest.com has been around for a little while now, started by a young man called Xavier. It's basically an open website where ANYONE can make an entry on what they think is the truth of life. This means the website is not based on beliefs, fixed views or any kind of dogma. It's an open site, but that doesn't mean you can write whatever you want, the entries are evaluated using the evidence, critical reason, logic, common sense, and scientific methods, the same methods and rules of evidence used by a US court of law, as it says on the website. In other words, religious or any kind of people have always been welcomed to make an entry, the only rule is you have to show the evidence supporting it.



The current 2 top entries are by the same author. "The Present" 100 pages, and "The Present (with religion) 240 pages + Gospel of Thomas (8 pages) the reason why there are two books, is that non religious people might find it more comfortable to read the present without religion, and religious people will most likely find it comfortable to read the one with religion. It's basically the same book, but the one with religion is the extended and complete book and it also gives you the right perspective of the truth from religion's side. These 2 entries have been the top entries for 5 years, and it will probably always be there. Nobody has been able to challenge the books, nobody has even been able to CORRECT a single thing in the books for 5 years, this tells you how accurate it is. Every section of the book is a puzzle and supports each other, in other words, the author doesn't really write by himself, he just writes what the evidence says (evidence that you can check out for yourself) and leaves his own opinions and everything that is subjective out of it. In other words, the books are the most updated source of knowledge to date that you can get, you are not going to find it anywhere else, because neither science or religion are really looking for the big fundemental picture of life. It's the only book that has ever attempted to explain the big picture of life.



The author devoted his whole life into the book, starting from when he was a teenager (he is in his 60's now) As you read on in the book and start to understand more, it makes you wonder how the hell a single man with no education or experience could have written this book. It's because of a phenomenon that has been attempted to be explained by many people, the collective unconscious (Religion calls it "the holy spirit") You will understand more about that as you study. The books are completely free online, the author has never made any money on it and he is the most fulfilled human being on earth.



Personal experience: I have been reading the present twice and the present with religion twice so far. It has changed by whole life and i am much more aware and fulfilled. I remember reading the present for the first time and being really shocked and scared by it and that is where most people stop. I continued reading and as i read the book again, i started to get the whole picture and it was a wonderful as it can get. The more times you read the book, the more things you notice, so do not let it discourage you if you understand nada as you start reading the book, it will come if you truly want it. The good news is you don't have to be intelligent to understand the book, in fact, your educated background can hurt you. You only have to be honest, rational and capable of critical thinking. I have never been religious because i knew the old man in the sky myth was just an excuse for what we don't understand in the universe, and it is. The Present with religion is by far the superior book for me, because it's the complete book and it gives me the right perspective of religion. I can now read the bible and understand it, unlike so called christians who claims they believe in the bible, but have no clue what it says, just believing in what they are told and not checking things out for themselves. I personally recommend reading the present before starting on the present with religion, but for religious people, read the present with religion if you are not comfortable with the present.



Yup, that's all there is to say! Read them, it's really a changing and amazing experience. Keep in mind that there will be a lot of things you don't understand until you have read the whole book, or twice like i have. If you disagree with parts of the book, or can find evidence to prove something wrong, write your own entry! Everyone can be a judge that way. Gogo!  :)

Your eternal future coul depend on this single moment.



Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: 50 on February 14, 2013, 07:48:39 pm
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flicker on February 14, 2013, 08:08:37 pm
We were all born, and we are all going to die, so it is the truth about it that concerns us all.

I'm not sure that you can say this as fact. It is only theory. In theory, science has the possibility of advancing farther and faster now, than ever before. In theory, suspended animation could work, as well as de-aging. Yes, it is a fact that under the current scientific circumstances, we will all eventually die. The only problem with that being a solid fact, is the future. Most of us are adolescence or very young adults and we have long expected lifespans. It's unthinkable how fast science can advance in 40 years, in theory.

We all know that in the end, life all boils down to how good we feel.

I dont see this as true for each person as it should be. Take mass murderers for example, most of them probably feel good when they kill people (ala Dexter) but I think that at least a few of them didnt actually take pleasure in killing people, but took pleasure in the fact that once it was all over, they would have an amazing legacy.

With my opinions expressed, I'll view life as I always do. My perspective is the only one, any other perspective is just feedback that I might use to improve my perspective, but I wouldnt go out of my way to change my perspective.

But Marc! It's cool that you've grabbed onto something to take on as your perspective, and if it's changed your life as significantly as you say, then that's just cake and icing for you.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 14, 2013, 09:05:44 pm
:nesquik:

LOL
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 14, 2013, 10:01:07 pm
We were all born, and we are all going to die, so it is the truth about it that concerns us all.

I'm not sure that you can say this as fact. It is only theory. In theory, science has the possibility of advancing farther and faster now, than ever before. In theory, suspended animation could work, as well as de-aging.

We all know that in the end, life all boils down to how good we feel.

I dont see this as true for each person as it should be. Take mass murderers for example, most of them probably feel good when they kill people (ala Dexter) but I think that at least a few of them didnt actually take pleasure in killing people, but took pleasure in the fact that once it was all over, they would have an amazing legacy.

With my opinions expressed, I'll view life as I always do. My perspective is the only one, any other perspective is just feedback that I might use to improve my perspective, but I wouldnt go out of my way to change my perspective.



You make some very fair points, i don't deny that, but it doesn't change the fundelmental picture of life.

First of all, that is true. Science will always snowball in the future and it is certain that much more will be known than today. It is even included in the book, it talks about that de-aging and other kinds of biological modifications will probably be available in the future (Even though that's easily possible, mankind will most likely be gone before it happens). The good news is, it doesn't change universal truth. Everything that science is capable and will be capable of in the future, is all in the laws of pysics, all that is within the universe. Nothing that science will be able to do will be of the unordinary or supernatural, it can only work with what exists. Even if mankind will be alive to see de-aging in action, nobody is going to escape death, the evidence of the nature of the balance proves that. (when you simplify it, the result of the universe in the present moment is positive/negative forces moving in balance, it always have been and it always will be) You will understand more of this if you read the book, keep studying. :)

Second of all, about serial killers, this is true. Serial killers gets sexual turned on when they cause harm, pain and fair to others. They feel really good when they do it, so it still boils down to how much you feel good in your life. Although, again, the balance proves that all the good times will be equal with all bad times (which cannot be avoided because of our immortality) If serial killers knew and understood this, they would change their ways. Keep studying.

Third, about you viewing life as you always do. This is impossible for reasons so many i can't mention. You can think of life and the universe however you want, but no matter what you'll think of it, it is doing what it is doing and it always will and it is the same for us all. We know that people percieve life differently and that mostly boils down to envrionment, culture, religion, opinions, beliefs etc. In fact opinions, beliefs and dreams is the biggest reason why mankind is divided. You do not see things the way they are, you see things the way you are. Your mind doesn't create life, it just manipulates what already exists, this is very important to understand. It's called cognitive dissonance, you can look it up and check it for yourself. It can be scary to overcome your cognitive dissonance, but if you are ready to overcome it, you will understand the book. Keep studying, don't give up :) Your eternal future depends on it.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 14, 2013, 11:18:19 pm
You're so fucking condescending Marc, seriously get the fuck over yourself.

No matter how right you think you are don't go around talking to people like they are dumb as shit. You have no fucking clue how to behave in a social environment. Even if you are right, it will mean fuck all in the end. You don't know how to talk to people as they currently are, no one will listen to you, and you will die leaving no impact on earth.

I'm not argueing that you're wrong Marc. I'm argueing that you've now turned into an arrogant cunt. Fuck you.

Someone move this piece of shit to Free For All.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Neo on February 14, 2013, 11:37:38 pm
What Karl said is pretty much how I feel any time I log on to Facebook and see this
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on February 15, 2013, 12:16:04 am
Yeah I'm also very annoyed when I get those truth contest things all over my home page on Facebook. I understand you're very interested in it but a lot of us don't care.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 15, 2013, 12:41:35 am
If you're not interested, then simply don't check this topic. Nobody is forcing any of you to read what he writes.

And Karl, you seem quite angry lately. or maybe you're intentionally doing some level of trolling. I don't find his writings condescending. I don't see him calling people dumb. You're just looking through a negative viewpoint at it, most likely which was already decided before even reading and understanding the content of what Marc has written.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 15, 2013, 12:48:33 am
Wouter:

This topic is considered spam. It doesn't matter if I want to read it or not, it doesn't belong here. Good try though Wouter :)

I haven't been angry lately, it's just your perception. Good try though, keep studying my posts and you'll get it soon! :)

You can't change the truth. The truth is that Marc is condescending. Study his posts again and you might understand. Give it a shot! :p

This does't have anything to do with Marc's content Wouter, it has to do with his attitude. You were so close though :)

You made fair points Wouter but unfortunately you just don't understand it yet. Don't worry though, study our posts some more and I'm sure it'll come to you in time :):):):)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 15, 2013, 12:56:25 am
Karl - At least you're not arguing with me being wrong. I'm not talking to people like they are dumb shit, we all have the equal opportunity as long as we are being honest with ourselves, but i have the duty to act when i know. Anyway, i personally don't care if you read it or not, because it doesn't have any effect on my future, but i have to share this as long as i live in my current body, because that has a major effect on my future after i die. The thing is there might be other people in this community who wants the same opportunity as i have gotten. There are people around the world who are interested in this just like me and their eternal future depends a lot on it, so at least don't shut the opportunity for them, let them read it if they desire to :)

As for Neo and Phillip, you are a few clicks away from avoiding seeing all my stuff. You need to "unfollow" me on fb and you will never see any more updates from me on fb :) I share a lot of this stuff for other truth seekers on fb and a few others, since they appreciate it very much, just unfollow me :)

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on February 15, 2013, 01:09:53 am
There are people around the world who are interested in this just like me and their eternal future depends a lot on it, so at least don't shut the opportunity for them, let them read it if they desire to :)
No one wants to shut the opportunity, Karl just wants the topic moved.

Also, I know I can unfollow you but what if you post something that I am not able to see because I've unfollowed you and it is actually interesting?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 15, 2013, 01:31:45 am
I'm not going to post any GE stuff or anything anymore, so you can unfollow me, don't worry :)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: DYM on February 15, 2013, 03:25:19 am
If you don't care then don't post in this topic and just unfollow/remove Marc. Pretty simple. :nesquik:

I was planning to read The Present a while ago but it didn't really seem engaging to me after I quickly went through a number of pages. I dunno.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 15, 2013, 04:31:56 am
Yeah me and ace had some nice convos about the present on fb a little while ago. Wouter read the present and is halfway or so with the present with religion, Stefan Persson is reading it as far as i know.

Not much of it seemed engaging to me when i only read a few pages, although i deeply subconscious knew it was true, and i was just thirsty for more and the thirst just keeps growing. It's not really before you get to the section "the nature of nothing" which works as a backbone for the book and the last sections following, that you start to get the picture. If you don't want to read the book, that's cool :) I respect that choice just as much as i respect my own choice for reading and studying it :)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: 50 on February 15, 2013, 08:53:15 am
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 15, 2013, 11:41:53 am
Explain to me how Marc is being condescending?

First, let's check if we're on the same page for the term. What is your definition of condescending?
Then, please explain to me how Marc's writing falls into that definition.

Let me try to do the same regards to your own post (Karl) and to Brio's post just now.

I'll go by the definition here http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/condescending

Why not trying to introduce something that'll put more creativity and better goal for your life?

This sounds more condescending to me, because you imply you know his life, the creativity in it, and his goal. Also implying that his creativity and goal are not good enough.

I haven't been angry lately, it's just your perception.

Notice I said "seem", yes that's my perception. Your usage of adding "fuck" to try and get points across (or whatever other reason it may be) suggests anger in my perception. You don't have to stoop to someone else's (percepted) level to tell them they're condescending either. (You even resorted to saying "Fuck you")

You can't change the truth.

I agree.

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PS

This topic is considered spam.

This is a topic in General Chat aimed at people interested in the truth.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: 50 on February 15, 2013, 11:52:48 am
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 15, 2013, 12:02:20 pm
You're filling in for him what he is thinking.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: 50 on February 15, 2013, 12:15:46 pm
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 15, 2013, 01:14:48 pm
It's not hard to see it.

It's not hard to see other things either.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 15, 2013, 04:07:51 pm
Don't worry Marc, WOUTER is supporting you  :nesquik: :nesquik: :nesquik:

Seriously though, I hope you one day realise what a load of crap this ultimate truth stuff is. The sooner the better, really.

If anyone wants to read a brief introduction to 'The Present', check it out: http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/the-present-universal-truth/.

It is a masterclass in stating the fucking obvious and pretending it is deep philosophy.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 15, 2013, 04:38:50 pm
Truth is not subjective. You can look the word "truth" up in a dictionary and check it out for yourself, just like the evidence supporting the book can be checked out for yourself.

I don't need something to hook at because i'm not following the flow of animal chemistry (even though it's tempting at all times) and i am much more fulfilled that way than i was before.

"other people who don't follow their religion/truth/sect/etc etc." Either you didn't pay attention to my main topic post, didn't understand it, or didn't read it. Truthcontest.com is the opposite of religion or any kind of outdated fixed belief and dogma. It is actually a site where anyone can contribuate if they have evidence for it and the book will be updated if new knowledge is found. Entries have been made and updated by different people and made it to the top, it wasn't until 2008 or so the present was submitted to the contest and it has stayed on the top for 5 years without any major changes.



Anyway, this topic was only intended for people who are interested in the truth we all share together and people who wants to be more aware. I certainly didn't have BRIO in mind when i made this topic, and I knew i was going to be negatively attacked when i made this topic about personal things that has zero to do with the website or the book. Leave my personally out of it which is far from perfect (i'm still living in the mind like most people do) it should not be the main concern here.



Lets move away from the negative and share all the positive things we can share instead  :) If you simply don't care you don't even need to click and open this topic. Anyone can contribuate to the website or the book :) (the author is open to any changes) there are no fixed views, the ONLY thing that is fixed is the evidence, because the evidence is sacred. We can all help each other and helping each other becoming more aware :) If you are not interested, i'm not forcing you to click on this topic and cause you anger or any kind of suffering. If i had a strong desire to force you into it, i would have booked a flight, bounded you up to a chair and tortured you until you contribuated to it.

Keep it positive :) Noone wants to cause you any suffering.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: AEB on February 15, 2013, 04:56:25 pm
Stefan Persson is reading it as far as i know.

Yes, I said I'll check it out and I might (if I find the time) discuss certain things in the text I agree/disagree with. I'm currently not completely sure what it's all about or what kind of arguments it have, just curious and will be reading it with my sceptical eyes, like I would with similar works claiming the "truth".

Science and evidence is the best view of the world in my opinion and I'm not looking for any more truth than the evidence show.

Also, I hope you don't completely quit GE because your stream and talent in the game is great.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: 50 on February 15, 2013, 05:03:24 pm
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 15, 2013, 05:24:43 pm
Stefan - Yup reading with a skeptical eye is the best thing you can do for yourself, that's what i've been doing all along :) And yes i agree with you, the evidence is sacred, it is common sense.

Even though i found the book amazing when i first started to read it, i remember writing a BUNCH of questions down because there was clearly a lot of things that didn't make sense, but as more i read the book, my questions got reduced because the book itself answered them and i still keep dialoge with the author and ask him something if there's something i don't completely understand and he always clarifies it for me (the evidence). I'm not looking for more truth than what the evidence shows either :)

Haha i'm going to play GE whenever i'm bored, but it's probably not going to be much. I might still pull a few untieds out of my sleeve though ;)



Brio - I appreciate your concern for me! :) But i'm doing great  :) I wish you all well for the future as well :) And thanks for helping me out with the capture card setup last summer, i appreciated that very much  ;D
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Softman25 on February 15, 2013, 07:01:38 pm
Read the summary, seems like a bit of hokey to me.

I might peruse the full version if I feel bored one day, but eh, it's nothing worth getting in a huff over guys.  :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 15, 2013, 08:32:28 pm
I wonder who all here smokes / does drugs etc and how they got into it, if they easily turn the other face to something new that looks bad or dangerous (or whatever you'd like to call it).
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Jimbo on February 15, 2013, 08:39:33 pm
Just some random thoughts here:

My view of the "truth" without really having master knowledge of science is that I'm ultimately doomed to one day die and fall back into the same state of where I was before I was born. That "state", to me, is that blackness no one remembers and it's probably the same as being knocked unconscious or falling asleep - you never actually realize when it's happening or when your life has ended. Take the passengers on board the planes during the September 11 2001 attacks... they were dead before they had any idea they were about to die.

I do not believe in a god, an afterlife, and never had any ambition to stress my brain to the max finding out where we came from. I enjoy studying philosophy and logic, but I couldn't give less of a damn about where I'm going when I die.

The truth is that this cult thing has changed you for the worse, Marc. You are now a social outcast to a lot of the elite who used to/still respects you for being an insane speedrunner. Don't lose your friends man, they're all you've got in "this life" and all that matter.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 15, 2013, 09:51:37 pm
I liked your post, Jimbo :) You had some great insights.

I personally care where my consciousness is going after my body is too damaged to support it, because being a victim of the 50/50 balance is not something i want when i know i can get the 100%, but that's just me.



A cult is really not something that makes you think outside the fixed patterns, it's merely a dogma just like today's religions and it usually is structured of leaders. Truthcontest is the opposite of a cult because it doesn't try to control you by telling what you should think and believe. I'm a "social outcast" to pretty much anyone now for not going with the flow, and i'm cool with it, i'm actually enjoying it :) I can't explain to you why right now, but i'm happy i made it out. I am still checking out the boards, having convos with eliters and streaming sometimes, if nobody wants anything to do with me, i'm cool with it :)

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 15, 2013, 10:52:20 pm
OK, time for a proper reply to some of Inkosi's posts in this topic.

The most essential, important and obvious thing that we all share, life. We were all born, and we are all going to die, so it is the truth about it that concerns us all. We all know that in the end, life all boils down to how good we feel. If the truth was something horrible, it would make sense to just ignore it and hide in the illusions of our minds, but it turns out to be the best it can be. It's my duty to share what i've found.

So in three lines of pure waffle, you've said 'people die'. Hold the front pages  :kappa:

Nobody has been able to challenge the books, nobody has even been able to CORRECT a single thing in the books for 5 years, this tells you how accurate it is.

This is because the book is chock-full of banal platitudes that everyone knows already.  

It's the only book that has ever attempted to explain the big picture of life.

Yeah, this is a lie, pure and simple.

You really need to read some proper literature and read some books by people who know how to write prose properly. I've read about 20 or so pages of 'The Present' so far and it is turgid at best and leaden to the point of unreadability at worst. I will try and read it all; it's not a long book (thankfully).

As you read on in the book and start to understand more, it makes you wonder how the hell a single man with no education or experience could have written this book.

He writes in very simple English with little depth, so it's pretty understandable to me.

The books are completely free online, the author has never made any money on it and he is the most fulfilled human being on earth.

Says who?

I can now read the bible and understand it, unlike so called christians who claims they believe in the bible, but have no clue what it says, just believing in what they are told and not checking things out for themselves.

This sounds pretty conceited. What makes your knowledge so great?


Keep in mind that there will be a lot of things you don't understand until you have read the whole book, or twice like i have.

You must have the patience of a monk to read this stuff two times. Thirty pages in and I'm already as annoyed as fuck.

I don't need something to hook at because i'm not following the flow of animal chemistry (even though it's tempting at all times) and i am much more fulfilled that way than i was before.

Huh?

it wasn't until 2008 or so the present was submitted to the contest and it has stayed on the top for 5 years without any major changes.

Has it been peer-reviewed by respected academics, or has it only been peer-reviewed by spurious, fly-by-night internet reviewers like ourselves? Is it a well-respected, classic book of the genre that will be read by generations to come?

You seem to be chasing these ideas down a rabbit hole to the expense of other things in your life; at least, this is what it appears to bystanders like other people in the elite. People are not questioning your right to hold these beliefs, but to be so beholden to a spurious 130-page book that has only been written on the internet has all the trappings of something cultish, I'm afraid.






Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Thiradell on February 15, 2013, 11:21:53 pm
So what is the ultimate truth? Is there anything you can pull from "The Present" that stands up against other theories of truth and fulfilling ways to live life? So far I haven't heard you contribute much content, talk is cheap, etc. Being able to read the Bible is a good thing, but you haven't given any evidence that you can. There are plenty of Christians who know how to read it well, so don't generalize against Christianity because of the people that don't understand it.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Softman25 on February 15, 2013, 11:38:03 pm
To further on that point actually, I dare you to read the "Old Testament" better than I can.

I say that simply because I'm a Jew, and I've studied it for almost my entire life as "my bible", and Jews collectively have studied it for over 5000 years, those teaching being that which I study off of.

So yeah, you tell me something I don't know, and then back it up...please.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 12:59:20 am
We can all help each other and helping each other becoming more aware :)

Wrong. You are too arrogant and naive to listen to anyone else who has a different opinion to you. You preach that you care about the truth, but when people give you truth (that you're being an asshole) you tell people not to because you think it's not important. You're selective in your caring of the truth, and you keep making perposterous claims based on absolutely no evidence. In fact, most of the things you talk about are either 1. Self explanatory i.e The truth is the truth, or 2. Unprovable scientifically i.e "Truthcontest.com is the opposite of religion or any kind of outdated fixed belief and dogma.", beacuse you've read and experienced every single fucking one?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 16, 2013, 01:53:55 am
OK, time for a proper reply to some of Inkosi's posts in this topic.

The most essential, important and obvious thing that we all share, life. We were all born, and we are all going to die, so it is the truth about it that concerns us all. We all know that in the end, life all boils down to how good we feel. If the truth was something horrible, it would make sense to just ignore it and hide in the illusions of our minds, but it turns out to be the best it can be. It's my duty to share what i've found.

So in three lines of pure waffle, you've said 'people die'. Hold the front pages  :kappa:

Nobody has been able to challenge the books, nobody has even been able to CORRECT a single thing in the books for 5 years, this tells you how accurate it is.

This is because the book is chock-full of banal platitudes that everyone knows already.  

It's the only book that has ever attempted to explain the big picture of life.

Yeah, this is a lie, pure and simple.

You really need to read some proper literature and read some books by people who know how to write prose properly. I've read about 20 or so pages of 'The Present' so far and it is turgid at best and leaden to the point of unreadability at worst. I will try and read it all; it's not a long book (thankfully).

As you read on in the book and start to understand more, it makes you wonder how the hell a single man with no education or experience could have written this book.

He writes in very simple English with little depth, so it's pretty understandable to me.

The books are completely free online, the author has never made any money on it and he is the most fulfilled human being on earth.

Says who?

I can now read the bible and understand it, unlike so called christians who claims they believe in the bible, but have no clue what it says, just believing in what they are told and not checking things out for themselves.

This sounds pretty conceited. What makes your knowledge so great?


Keep in mind that there will be a lot of things you don't understand until you have read the whole book, or twice like i have.

You must have the patience of a monk to read this stuff two times. Thirty pages in and I'm already as annoyed as fuck.

I don't need something to hook at because i'm not following the flow of animal chemistry (even though it's tempting at all times) and i am much more fulfilled that way than i was before.

Huh?

it wasn't until 2008 or so the present was submitted to the contest and it has stayed on the top for 5 years without any major changes.

Has it been peer-reviewed by respected academics, or has it only been peer-reviewed by spurious, fly-by-night internet reviewers like ourselves? Is it a well-respected, classic book of the genre that will be read by generations to come?

You seem to be chasing these ideas down a rabbit hole to the expense of other things in your life; at least, this is what it appears to bystanders like other people in the elite. People are not questioning your right to hold these beliefs, but to be so beholden to a spurious 130-page book that has only been written on the internet has all the trappings of something cultish, I'm afraid.








You make some very fair points, hopefully i can clearify it for you.


1. Honestly no idea what you meant there.

2. Impossible. If all people already knew it at a conscious level, mankind would be living in a very different way now. You would know this if you read and understand the book.

3. The english used has to come in a very simple, pure and easy way to understand for anyone and it is also the best way for truth to be as simplified as possible. If you judge by one's writing, (same goes for spelling, unless it's so horrible that you can't make out the word) it's more likely that you'll miss the message the person is actually trying to reveal. For example, ten authors with completely different writing styles could be writing about the same thing. What is most important, the literature or the actual content? These different forms of writing styles can mislead readers by misinterpreting it by replacing the content which is the core, with literature. Literature, fancy words and gramma, writing of the scholar, whatever you want to call it is just misleading and an attempt to make things more complex, it makes them look like real authorities on the matter, when it can be simplified instead. Words are just the result of the mind trying to convert life into thoughts, thus trying to convert thoughts, feeling etc into words making it a mental code for life in the first place anyway. It doesn't have any value other than we can communicate with each other. Thoughts and words doesn't come any near close to the fulfillment of true life (To the point your mind only knows only what is necesary so you can leave it behind) that's why simplification should be very important.

4. Same as the third one ^

5. Says i, says the author. Besides, chasing money, wealth, power etc would just go against what he is saying in the book. The middle class is the most fulfilling place to be because of the evidence of the balance (keep reading) It becomes very obvious.

6. This question just leads to something much deeper, i'm not going to write pages about it here. It has a lot to do with the collective unconscious working behind the scenes of the myth (truth revealed in a myth) You will understand if you read the present with religion.

7. Haha i wouldn't be surprised if i am going to read the book 100 times in this lifetime, because each time i read it, i notice more.

8. You will know exactly what i mean if you read and understand the book.

9. You make a very good point here, i would have been thinking the same from you current perspective, and i did. Anyway, many people will ignore the book because of fear of change or the new. ANY big changes or revelations that has been made on this planet started out to be very unpopular, this is a fact. Examples, nobody liked Jesus very much at his time around, he had very few followers (even though his followers didn't have a single clue of what Jesus was trying to say) and was executed for being a blasphemer and a threat to the jewish elite. And look now, Jesus is one of the most popular figures ever, even though he is still being misinterpreted by religions. Take Einstein's work, which has a major influence on today's science and pysics. He was the black sheep of the family in his young days, the teachers at school didn't like him because he was always questening them and in their perspective, was a threat to their authority and Einstein dropped out. The truth is it takes a long time for uninspired people to understand or accept what an inspired person is saying, they are ahead of time and you can see this clear pattern at many points in history. Why does it always take place? Because of the collective unconscious. Right around when it was proven that earth was round, many people would deny it because it was a threat to their core belief, religion etc. People who thought earth was round got murdered. It takes time for mankind to accept new revelations and it's merely the result of cognitive dissonance. It is exactly the same thing with this book, it will take time for mankind to accept the new revelations. Usually everything that is popular was once very unpopular, it's a fact you can't deny and it shows clearly all over in the time of history.



Tyler - I'm very sorry if it appeared i was generalizing christians, everyone is reading with their own unique level of perspective and awareness. What is troublesome is that you seem to take stories and metaphors literally and the language was also very different two thousand years ago as you already know. For example, Adam and Eve. People actually think the story literally took place, when it is just metaphorically speaking with an inspired and true meaning behind it. It is the collective unconscious working behind the scenes, the truth in a myth. Besides, the bible is a lot of misinterpretations, myths and truth blended in, the myths have been glorified for ages, while the truth in them hasn't even been seen yet. The events in the bible are not even in order. If you read the present with religion, you will know exactly what i mean.

It is exactly why religion and churches have gone downhill, science was a strong competitor, and it's sad because science actually helps religion revealing the truth in them. I'm not saying i'm against religion, i'm for religion, but religious people are gonna have to wake up to the truth the bible and other religious books contain, and religion will be a lot more popular. Ateists are just as ignorant to me, because science is not even trying to reveal the big fundemendal picture of life, but rather focusing on detailed parts of life, spending an incredibly large amount of money on theory developments.  
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 02:03:48 am
To claim to think you know why the bible was written is rediculous. You can't claim to know what someone elses intentions are. These claims are not based on scientific evidence. Therefore you are a massive hypocrit. Please stop stating facts that you have not proven.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 02:08:05 am
"Anyway, many people will ignore the book because of fear of change or the new"

Hypothesis cannot be proven scientifically. Try again. The only thing that you can prove is that many people will ignore the book.

"Anyway, many people will ignore the book because it contains no valuable content." Fixed.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 02:16:32 am
"For example, Adam and Eve. People actually think the story literally took place, when it is just metaphorically speaking with an inspired and true meaning behind it. It is the collective unconscious working behind the scenes, the truth in a myth. Besides, the bible is a lot of misinterpretations, myths and truth blended in, the myths have been glorified for ages, while the truth in them hasn't even been seen yet."

Assumptions based on no scientifical evidence being presented as factual. The intention of the writer(s) may have been to be taken literally. Please do not continue to make claims that cannot be proven scientifically.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 16, 2013, 02:49:02 am
Marc, what are your thoughts on the Zeitgeist series of films?  Particularly the 3rd one where they discuss a resource based economy and wide use of self replicating machines, resulting in abundance (more than enough resources for everyone) so that no one is forced to work labor and pointless jobs just to survive and thrive.

If you haven't watched them, I highly recommend them.  They're a very interesting watch and the content seems right up your wheelhouse.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 16, 2013, 03:02:14 am
Ugh Zeitgeist. Seeing some of my friends sucked in by that rubbish was a truly depressing experience.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 16, 2013, 03:12:44 am
#Kony2012
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 16, 2013, 05:58:06 am
Hahaha, i might check them out. My guess is it has no value to true life, but i'll check at least one of them out to see for myself.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 16, 2013, 06:06:23 am
What, in your own words, "has value" to "true life?"
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 06:19:50 am
Marc needs to watch every single documentary every made, read every book ever written, otherwise he is 'afraid of change and the new'. He has no choice but to watch Zeitgeist on request or he is a hypocrit. He has no choice but to read every single book we recommend he reads, else he fears change and the new. By his own words.

Marc does not care for the Truth, but only cares about thinking he knows more than other people and trying to appear superior by teaching them. I don't need  evidence to support my allegations, just like you have noevidence to support half of yours. I'm right, you can't change that, it's just the truth.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 06:37:00 am
From the truth contest:

Page 1:

"We have come a very, very long way, but we have a little further to go. The next and last step in our evolution is learning and accepting the truth of life, and this includes acknowledging our true past."

Hypothesis, future dated. Not scientifically proven, presented as fact.

"The truth will free us from the animal world we all evolved from."

Hypothesis, future dated. Not scientifically proven, presented as fact.

Page 2:

"Immortality: "It is impossible to be conscious of being unconscious.”"

Hypothesis. Not scientifically proven.

"You will die physically, but you will be born into a new physical body."

Hypothesis, future dated. Not scientifically proven, presented as fact.

"People are trying to understand the universe independent of consciousness, and it is the most important factor in the equation."

Not scientifically proven.

Page 3:

"People do not realize what Isaac Newton's third law of motion really means."

Not scientifically proven. 1. Generalising everyone's understand as one. 2. Assuming he knows what Newton meant. Hypothesis stated as fact.



Basically, this book if full of unproven, subjective nonsense. Basically everything this guy believes is stated as fact, he thinks he knows exactly what these great figures of history meant. It's a load of shit. And yet it PREACHES THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD. Biggest hypocrital shit stain of a book ever. The whole book is an ironic joke.

Make no mistake, this book does not preach the truth. It preaches this one man's opinion.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 06:50:29 am
Also the book borrows from most eastern philosophies. Marc will have no idea that a lot of things in this book aren't original, and are common among the teachings of Buddhism and the Tao. Of course, Marc would not know any of this because he has no idea about anything other than this one single book.

Teachings of the 'present' are probably most famously taught about by 'Eckhart Tolle', in the power of now. However they are borrowed from most forms of meditation and eastern religions. Again, Marc knows little of this because his exposure to actual knowledge is too limited.

The difference is, this book peaches TRUTH. However, mixed in with it's eastern philosphy he also adds in the fact that he thinks he knows exactly what everyone means when they say things. He gives a list of references of past figures, and says that he knows EXACTLY what they mean. He claims to know exactly why the bible was written, exactly what the beatles were talking about, exactly what great scientists meant. Basically, he is as smart as all of these people and obviously understands them better than everyone else.

This book has no new actual information, mostly borrowed ideas, thrown in with 50% subjective opinion stated as fact. Marc would realise this if he had any experience with anything.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 07:08:24 am
No hard feelings to Marc though, he is just naive, immature and inexperienced. I know like 7 years ago when I had my first awakening, I would hear one opinion, one perspective and think it was the TRUTH. But, the truth is, there are a million perspectives, and no real truth. Everything is relative. And what is true in one place and time is not true in another place and time.

What is NOW, is not NOW a million light years away. Only for you, as an individual. The truth exists differently for everyone. Also, we cannot understand the real truth. We do not live in the world of quantum physics (all probability, not actuality, however this is actual how shit works in 'reality). All that there is for humans, is perspective.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 16, 2013, 07:33:32 am
I remember when you told me to download DEEP INNER GAME by David D'Angelo and you told me how much it changed and improved your life.  You thought it was *the* ultimate truth.

Everyone just needs to learn that you only live once, and you need to seize the day.  Carpe Diem.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on February 16, 2013, 07:45:08 am
The ancient texts of Sumer and Babylon which speak of "divine visitors from above" are the ultimate truth.

All religious texts have these themes.  We have intended them so.

The truth is not what is present on Earth.  It is more universal.  There are what Earthlings call "septillions" of "truths" for each "planetary system" set in each "time."

Not to mention you don't even understand the concept of more than four dimensions.

Do you even evolve your mind, Earth?  :kappa:

We will return.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 16, 2013, 07:48:28 am
I knew the balance was from Buddhism, it even says so in the present lol.


You just stated the truth is there is no real truth which is contradictory in itself because there would be no reality or existence and second of all you just stated what the truth is, but yet saying there is no truth. It gets too hard to get around if you try to see life from the perspective of your mind and turning it into a mental code for life, you are just giving your own mind life.

The pysical universe is that which is, it can't change and still exist, it can't break it's own laws and we all know it at a very subconscious level (some at a conscious level). You can think of the universe of however you want to, that's fair enough, it is what mankind is currently and always have been doing, we are taking it for granted and giving it all away for imaginary things, it's the cause of all war and misery in this world. The universe will keep doing what it always have been doing and it doesn't change no matter what you try to think of it, you are not paying your attention to it. Keep your eyes on the prize or you'll miss the big picture.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Henning Blom on February 16, 2013, 07:51:18 am
Oh my gawd, Im gonna be :nesquik: in my next life, I can prove it by beliefs and theories that can not be proven. :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 07:54:05 am
Henning, you are starting to see the truth. Keep your eyez on the prize kappa  :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 16, 2013, 07:58:19 am
The ancient texts of Sumer and Babylon which speak of "divine visitors from above" are the ultimate truth.



The truth is not what is present on Earth.  It is more universal.  

That's true, and the present moment is everywhere at all times. Everything we experience is in the present because it is all that exists. Time is just a concept of the mind which explains why time went really slow when we were children (Our minds were much less developped) thus we recieved and were more aware of life and it is much more fulfilling because children have less preconceived ideas about things, so they see things directly. It's no brainer, really.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 16, 2013, 07:58:36 am
Marc was given "other worldly" powers when he achieved Dam 1:16/1:55

Spoiler
(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2F5b3azd.gif&hash=c1714d256d368986e383a38640b330a95ef0f017)

The ancient astronauts have touched the elite with their truth  :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: DYM on February 16, 2013, 08:02:26 am
Marc your posts are a little painful to read, no offense.

Also, I like how you ignored most of Karl's points, like stuff in this post (http://elite.speedrunwiki.com/forum/index.php?topic=18653.msg382931#msg382931). Maybe I missed something but I gotta agree with everything he already stated.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 08:02:57 am
"the present moment is everywhere at all times"

The theory of relativity shows that 'now' only exists from one frame of reference. From any other frame of reference it is not 'now'. There is no universal 'now', there is only an infinite number of different 'nows'.

What is 'now' for me, is actually not the same 'now' for you, because of space time. That is why all we have is perception. When we look at a starr, what is happening for us 'now' actually happened millions of years ago to the star. The same 'now' for me, is acually the future for the star.

You fail.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 16, 2013, 08:03:29 am
Can you answer this Marc?

What, in your own words, "has value" to "true life?"

If not, I'm just going to start recording myself reading your posts in a fake European accent.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 16, 2013, 08:03:44 am
You just stated the truth is there is no real truth which is contradictory in itself because there would be no reality or existence and second of all you just stated what the truth is, but yet saying there is no truth. It gets too hard to get around if you try to see life from the perspective of your mind and turning it into a mental code for life, you are just giving your own mind life.

The pysical universe is that which is, it can't change and still exist, it can't break it's own laws and we all know it at a very subconscious level (some at a conscious level). You can think of the universe of however you want to, that's fair enough, it is what mankind is currently and always have been doing, we are taking it for granted and giving it all away for imaginary things, it's the cause of all war and misery in this world. The universe will keep doing what it always have been doing and it doesn't change no matter what you try to think of it, you are not paying your attention to it. Keep your eyes on the prize or you'll miss the big picture.

Great Max???
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 16, 2013, 08:27:09 am
Lol you're talking about the speed of light, doesn't have any impact on the present moment. I haven't seen anything challenging from anyone so far because they're rather from the mind's perspective and not life's. Truth is objective and all the evidence is supporting it. Your mind is always gonna make you pay one way or another by taking life away from you. If you can challenge the current top entries, make your entry :nesquik:

Goose - The value of true life is true life itself (Once you are completely aware of it that you can leave your mind on standby forever after then) If you remember moments from when you were a kid, you are lucky, because you'd remember how life was a piece of cake when your mind was less developped. And it is, life really is perfect, it needs to be perfect to even exist, but our imperfect minds are messing it up and distorting it. This is why truth is subjective to most people, when in fact, life just is what it is.



Seems like nobody has understood anything from the present yet, but it's not surprising. Keep your minds open and things will automatically be revealed to you, i wish you all good luck :) If you aren't interested in the truth, i hope you like the water :)

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 16, 2013, 08:47:20 am
Seems like nobody has understood anything from the present yet, but it's not
surprising.

It's not surprising because there is no content to understand.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 08:49:36 am
If you remember moments from when you were a kid, you are lucky, because you'd remember how life was a piece of cake when your mind was less developped.

I got raped as a kid.

CHECK. FUCKING. MATE
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 16, 2013, 08:54:04 am
Marc, I actually understand everything about the truth and the present.  I truly do.  You can never understand how I understand, but I do.  We are on the same page here but we can't understand each other's understandings because we are not the same person, we do not have the same present, and therefore we do not have the same truth.

Just know that I understand the truth.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Softman25 on February 16, 2013, 09:28:55 am
Actually, anything on the front page of that website, which I will not make comments about, is whatever the most people lap up.

It does not mean it is right by any means, and saying that something is a "top entry" on a website is not a fact, or a truth.

Also, this "truth" is not objective and there is no evidence pointing towards anything. If there was, there would be only one religion because facts would be understood. Any reasonable person can relate to a fact when they see one, and there is a clear difference between a fact which has been proven beyond any doubt and simple dogma.

Guess which "The Present" comes under.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have a belief, but the way you are arguing it is god awful. I would say the same if you were arguing that we should all accept Jesus into our lives. Different dogma, same principle. (You should live a certain way etc etc)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Thiradell on February 16, 2013, 03:18:59 pm
Karl basically killed it, and retreating into "you guys don't understand yet" isn't close to valid, especially if we're discussing truth. You pointed out some quasi-accurate things regarding the Bible, complete with more generalizations and presuppositions regarding Christians. I'm aware the Bible has
myths and metaphors, so is anyone else with any reputation in the Christian community. The fact that it's 2,000 years old and out of order doesn't mean a whole lot; will the Present mean less after time has passed? If truth is truth, it should go on forever.

You're still approaching everything from a perspective of having figured everything out because of one book. The world is infinitely more vast than that one book. I think if I wanted to, I could go through and make strong counter-arguments to every single thing the Present says (Durk or Karl would do an even better job, as we've seen already).
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Thiradell on February 16, 2013, 03:21:49 pm
Not trying to insult you man. If you go back and read your own post, it's pretty apparent why the Present isn't good for much
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on February 16, 2013, 03:53:54 pm
Quote
...because they're rather from the mind's perspective and not life's.


- This quote tilted me. You are basically discounting all of the intelligent and challenging comments and questions made by everyone, simply rendering them Invalid because of their nature as a legitimate thought. You're telling us how to think, or rather, that we aren't yet tuned into LIFE, we're still grappling with the Mind's Perspective.

And I'm still waiting to hear what The Beatles have to do with all this. You should catch Paul McCartney after a gig and tell him about the Truth behind his lyrics are and he'll think you're bat shit crazy.

I don't really know what to say Marc... I just hope that this brush with the truth motivates you to read more, better books and form your own opinion instead of being sucked in by some half-baked fiction with less validity than most pre-school assignments.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 16, 2013, 06:53:25 pm
We are on the same page here but we can't understand each other's understandings because we are not the same person, we do not have the same present, and therefore we do not have the same truth.

Just know that I understand the truth.

Haha, well i understand your idea, but the present moment is not any different for you and me. We might come from different environments, families etc, but that balances out anyway and society is still a mind made structure, it comes from nothing, a thought. We are both living creatures living in the present, living in a society that CONSTANTLY wants to write on your blank sheet of paper which was completely open to all life in the first place, trying to make you into something that you are not. The mind is really the only thing that are dividing us as a human race. People with loads of power and little understanding have nuclear bombs and can destroy most of mankind if the slightest sparkle begins, it's horrible, but it's real, this is your own species doing it.

If there was, there would be only one religion because facts would be understood.



There's one religion, just different versions of it ;P It's really just a bunch of uninspired people distorting and misinterpreting inspired people. Jerusalem means "place of peace" and it has been one of the most violent blood baths on earth, it should tell you that something is terribly wrong. Religions are supposed to unite and benefit from the same core truth they are all sharing, but nobody is looking, nobody cares, it just turned into a serious mental case. Mankind will always be mankind.

I'm aware the Bible has
myths and metaphors, so is anyone else with any reputation in the Christian community.

You're still approaching everything from a perspective of having figured everything out because of one book. The world is infinitely more vast than that one book. I think if I wanted to, I could go through and make strong counter-arguments to every single thing the Present says

Ah so you're aware of the myths and metaphors, so do you still believe in the outdated old man in the sky theory?

That's true, the world is infinite and we are always trying to focus on those infinite details, it's why mankind is such a confused and failing species in the first place as you probably already know.  We have progressed enough to understand the big fundemental picture of life, but again, nobody is looking, nobody cares. Everyone's own ego is driving themselves and dividing us, get honest with the instinctual nature of mankind.

I would love some good counter-arguments to things from the present, because i haven't seen anything yet.

Quote
...because they're rather from the mind's perspective and not life's.


You're telling us how to think

And I'm still waiting to hear what The Beatles have to do with all this.


Wrong, i'm telling the opposite. Plus, If you are taking a recommendation that is for your own good as a command, you're in trouble ;p

Lol, the Beatles are LOADED with hidden messages, listen to nowhere man for instance. You just have to grasp the collective unconscious. Nobody is expecting anybody to know what the hell John Lennon for instance was actually talking about though, mankind is a joke compared to him and Paul.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Softman25 on February 16, 2013, 07:56:33 pm
OK Mr Truth man, then what is the "One Religion".

Who distorted it first? I would agree that having different facets of the same religion is...interesting at best, but still not really.

Also, Jerusalem does not mean fucking Place of Peace you fool. That's just one particular translation. Of course one could interpret that as the "right" translation, but that would just be arrogant. (Oh wait a sec...)

The ORIGINAL spelling in the Hebrew (יְרוּשָׁלַיִם) has more interpretations than you could imagine. A couple are relating peace, I won't disagree, but it's not the only one. Just as an example, in Arabic, it's most commonly translated as "The Holy" or "The Holy Sanctuary". I'm sorry, but if you're going to spurt this shit, at least don't spurt wrong shit.

I think your entire paragraph was some of the most insensitive bullshit statement I've ever read and am personally insulted by your ignorance. Specifically by the fact that you called me directly, as I believe in a religion, "uninspired". Me uninspired? Get with the picture, I might not necessarily have it right, but I believe in it.

Stop playing the Mormon Mr. Rutzou.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 08:24:02 pm
Just finished reading the book. It turns out Marc had it all wrong lol, he doesn't even understand it properly. If he actually understood it properly he wouldn't be acting this way. It's not suprising though that he doens't understand it, he is still trying to understand it with his mind, instead of understanding it from a true life perspective.

You see, the universe is exactly how it is. If it was any different it wouldn't be the universe. The universe has set laws and it can't break it's own laws. Just like Marc is a primitive animal and can't evolve. Because he is unconcious. He can't become concious of his unconciousness and therefore is stuck in a never ending cycle of stupidy. If Marc could become concious, he couldn't, because he is unconcious, and he can't become concious of this because it's impossible.

A wise man once said....

"YES

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

AHA"

You think you know what he meant, but really you don't. What he was actually trying to say is that Goldeneye is Goldeneye. If Goldneye was not Goldeneye it wouldn't be Goldeneye. If you finish a level in 4 minutes and 8 seconds, you haven't beaten it any faster or any slower. Just like the universe. You see, the universe is infinite, therefore it cannot be finite. The present is the same everywhere, therefore it cannot be different. Don't you get it guys? Marc had it ALL WRONG.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 08:32:20 pm
Holy shit guys, I'm like.. a changed man. I totally understand EVERYTHING know. Check it out.

I am me, if I wasn't me, I wouldn't be able to realise I was me, because I would be someone else. If I was someone else, I wouldn't realise it, because it's impossible. But I realise I'm me, because I AM me, just like the universe. I have laws that make me.. me. I can't break those laws, because if I did, I wouldn't be me, and therefore I couldn't have this realisation. ME never changes, it will always be me, but if it could change, it couldn't, because that's impossible.

A wise man once said.

"is amazing".

You think you know what he meant, but you don't. What he ACTUALLY meant is that is IS amazing. It couldn't not not never couldn't be amazing. Because if it could ever not not never couldn't be amazing it wouldn't BE AMAZING. It IS amazing, therefore it isn't possible to ever be ISN'T amazing. Because it's infinite, and we can't understand it with our mind. But using true life understanding I can see that it IS amazing. ROF you had it wrong all along guys.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 08:47:30 pm
Arguement: Communication is imperfect and it is impossible to be certain of the meaning someone is trying to convey. Any attempt to explain someone's intention is subjective and not scientifically provable.

Marcs response: *ignores arguement*

Arguement: There is no universal present moment, there are only frames of reference, as shown by Einstein's Theory of Relativity. There is no universal truth, everything is only relative to something else.

Marcs response: ROF LOLZ you are talking about teh light  :v

Arguement: Quantum physics shows that in reality particles at base level are governed by probability. It is not until perception by conciousness that they actuallize into a set position in space time. Perception CREATES reality, as PROVEN by SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENTS (i.e double slit experiment with electrons). Therefore there is no universal truth, only the truth we create by our own perception.

Marcs response: What is a quantum physics?

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 09:03:42 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

A dumbed down explanation of the double slit experiment. The experiment proves scientifically that perception changes reality.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 16, 2013, 09:52:03 pm
Lol already knew about the double slit experiment, might even be presented in the present, it was presented on it's fb page at least, same goes for quantum pysics. You're completely forgetting that perception can't change reality, reality APPEARS to change from the PERSPECTIVE of your mind. You would be right if you where to say that your perception of reality is completely different, but it doesn't change reality itself. Look up the rorschach test and you might get an idea of how vivid mankind's imagination are.

You're taking Einstein's stuff out of context because what you are saying goes against for what Einstein always stood up for. You should check into what kind of person Einstein was, you might learn something. I like your digging man, i admire it (Even though your agressive and dominating behaviour makes it clear you don't have a mind of peace, thought you studied Buddhism once? ;P) but perceptions of the mind are infinite and it's hard to get over for most. After all, you're semi hardwired through the thoughts and feelings your mind is trying to create, it'll always convince you that you are your mind. You're not your mind, Karl.

A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be - Albert Einstein.

The most clear and simplified quote in history of mankind, perioud.

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 10:04:49 pm
You're offering absolutely no counter arguements. You're just saying I'm wrong, with no explanation. Basically, you're a fraud.

You're ignoring the arguement I said you would as well. Pretty fucking funny.

Also, I'm not the one here preaching about peace of mind, so commenting on my peace of mind is useless. Your perception of my peace of mine is just your perception. It doesn't CHANGE reality. Therefore I don't give a fuck how you percieve my peace of mind. The topic of discussion is that your stupid book is full of subjective bullshit. It provides no content. And also that you're a fuckhead.

The Theory of Relativity says you're a fuckhead as well.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 10:07:14 pm
Anyone who met me at VA or anywhere else knows that in REALITY I'm really peaceful. This message board is an illusion. I'm laughing my ass off when I pay you out.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 16, 2013, 10:08:13 pm
My guess is that the only things that Marc 'knows' about Einstein are the things he read in the Present.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 10:12:34 pm
OMG BURN!

Marcs arguement for everything:

It doesn't matter what anyone else says, or any scientific experiment proves, it's just your perception and isn't reality. Reality is REALITY and I FUCKING KNOW WHAT REALITY IS AND YOU DON'T BECAUSE I IS AMAZING AND YOU'RE A DUMB SHIT AND I READ A BOOK ON THE INTERNET!
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 10:28:50 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAgcqgDc-YM

Awesome video about the explanation of the uncertainity principle and the nature of small particles. Again showing that you can't perceive something without changing it. Conciousness creates reality, because true reality is only a probability.

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 16, 2013, 10:30:49 pm
Lol turning it into a personal war, you should try and discuss only the matter instead, it gets a bit easier to have a clean conversation :) The double slit experiement is even mentioned in the section of nature of nothing, so nothing is hided:

"The double slit experiment proves that the mind affects energy and matter. When the laser beam is observed, it changes from a particle to a wave, so the observer's mind is affecting energy and is connected invisibly to the particles."

The expirement is hard evidence that your mind manipulates reality. I like this experiment because it makes me more aware of what it is my own mind is actually trying to do and always have. We can be certain that our minds cannot see reality as it is. You're looking for things backwards.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 10:41:25 pm
You're completely forgetting that perception can't change reality,

The expirement is hard evidence that your mind manipulates reality.

FAIL.

"The double slit experiment proves that the mind affects energy and matter. When the laser beam is observed, it changes from a particle to a wave, so the observer's mind is affecting energy and is connected invisibly to the particles."


When the beam is observed it actually changes from a wave to a particle.

FAIL.

We can be certain that our minds cannot see reality as it is.

Every section of the book is a puzzle and supports each other, in other words, the author doesn't really write by himself, he just writes what the evidence says (evidence that you can check out for yourself)

FAIL.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 16, 2013, 10:47:41 pm
Perception not changing reality and your mind manipulating reality is basically the same thing, i'm afraid you're misinterpreting again.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 10:50:29 pm
Perception not changing reality and your mind manipulating reality is basically the same thing, i'm afraid you're misinterpreting again.

Cherry picking arguements to rebut. Ignoring most of the flaws in your stupid belief.

FAIL.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 10:54:47 pm
The expirement is hard evidence that your mind manipulates reality.

Wrong. The evidence says that the results of the experiment changed with the introduction of an observer. There is no evidence to suggest the mind changed. Lol at you being so dumb.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 11:01:20 pm
A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be - Albert Einstein.

You might want to read this again and try to understand it.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 16, 2013, 11:08:28 pm
Literally lolling now, at least you are funny. You know the universe exists, stop playing mind games with me  :v

If you honestly don't know that the universe actually exists, your 700 million years of evolution was for nothing i guess, you'll get your chance at some point though, keep studying  :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 16, 2013, 11:12:11 pm
This last reply actually did not address anything I said and made no sense. Who said the universe didn't exist?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 16, 2013, 11:22:29 pm
You know the universe exists, okay, so we agree.


Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Softman25 on February 17, 2013, 01:20:58 am
I also love how me pretty much telling Marc that he insulted me went unchallenged.

Also, agreeing about what? I think we all believe the universe exists because we're kind of...in it. That's the stupidest comment I've ever heard.

This is just hilarious to read. *popcorn*
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 17, 2013, 04:12:13 am
Believe? You should know the universe exists, know your religion instead of believing it.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 17, 2013, 04:13:23 am
Still waiting for an epic apperance of great max  :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 17, 2013, 04:23:51 am
Still waiting for an epic apperance of great max  :kappa:

I wouldn't worry, you're admirably substituting for him right now.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 17, 2013, 04:53:24 am
Still waiting for an epic apperance of great max  :kappa:

I wouldn't worry, you're admirably substituting for him right now.

I wish  :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: DYM on February 17, 2013, 05:07:59 am
 :nesquik:

lol @ marc ignoring all valid points Karl just made and repeating the same garbage he's read from the book.  :nesquik:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on February 17, 2013, 05:10:14 am
I think people like Karl should just stop posting here. These posts are getting really repetitive, not saying your arguments are bad but we should just let Marc do whatever he wants. If he believes in this stuff, so be it.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flicker on February 17, 2013, 05:11:01 am
we should just let Marc do whatever he wants. If he believes in this stuff, so be it.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: DYM on February 17, 2013, 05:13:40 am
The problem is, Marc is acting so condescending and thinks he is right and everyone else is wrong. When someone brings up a good argument, he repeats the same things over and over again. Just maybe in different words.

I've also learnt that he is the worst person to ever debate with.

 :nesquik:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 17, 2013, 05:16:40 am
There's no security in believing stuff.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on February 17, 2013, 05:17:40 am
The problem is, Marc is acting so condescending and thinks he is right and everyone else is wrong. When someone brings up a good argument, he repeats the same things over and over again. Just maybe in different words.

I've also learnt that he is the worst person to ever debate with.

 :nesquik:

So why do we even debate with him?
Just let him do his thing, doesn't matter if he is acting condescending or not.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 17, 2013, 05:18:16 am
95% if ny posts are made from work, I was killing time trying to avoid doing what I'm supposed to be being paid to do
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on February 17, 2013, 05:18:48 am
95% if ny posts are made from work, I was killing time trying to avoid doing what I'm supposed to be being paid to do

Fair enough.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: DYM on February 17, 2013, 05:45:52 am
There's no security in believing stuff.
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:nesquik: !
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 17, 2013, 06:00:54 am
The problem is, Marc is acting so condescending and thinks he is right and everyone else is wrong.

 :nesquik:

Nah, i brought this topic up with a very positive attitude. I did link truthcontest since it's the only website where universal truth is being explained, but i made the topic for discussing universal truth generally, not just the present. But when it comes down to such an important topic, it's very natural for mankind to get emotional and each defend their little walls surrounding very limitted beliefs, even when it's pretty clear we are all of the same world, But hey, it's to be expected. I don't have any intention to ruin your comfort zone if it's that horrible to get out of.

I've planted my seeds anyway, my job is done here.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Funky_Buddha on February 17, 2013, 06:03:10 am
Marc: "There is one religion, just different versions of it."

You should really have more respect for the world's religions as they are completely different in nature - all religions are definitely not one.

For example, for Christianity the main problem is sin and the solution to this is salvation, but for a Buddhist the problem is suffering and the solution is awakening. Christians can't salvage a Buddhist from sin because there is no sin to Buddhists. Religions may all agree that something is wrong with the world, but they use very different techniques to solve the problem and have very different goals. Pretending they are all the same is extremely disrespectful and certainly not the truth.

Sorry if this is off-topic, just my bullshit alarm went off hard when I saw that. Carry on everyone!

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on February 17, 2013, 06:09:37 am
Quote
I've planted my seeds anyway, my job is done here.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-hate-religious-door-knockers/268940709782874
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: DYM on February 17, 2013, 06:32:18 am
The problem is, Marc is acting so condescending and thinks he is right and everyone else is wrong.

 :nesquik:

Nah, i brought this topic up with a very positive attitude. I did link truthcontest since it's the only website where universal truth is being explained, but i made the topic for discussing universal truth generally, not just the present. But when it comes down to such an important topic, it's very natural for mankind to get emotional and each defend their little walls surrounding very limitted beliefs, even when it's pretty clear we are all of the same world, But hey, it's to be expected. I don't have any intention to ruin your comfort zone if it's that horrible to get out of.

I've planted my seeds anyway, my job is done here.

No one here is defending their own beliefs except you, and you're copying the same things over and over from this book to back up your arguments. When someone brings up a good point, all you do is post something nonsensical or ignore it completely. It's understandable though.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 17, 2013, 01:47:41 pm
FB wins.

Marc, rebut that argument please.

And do it intelligently (if possible.)

Marc ignored one of my arguments from earlier as well.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Thiradell on February 17, 2013, 02:46:14 pm
"I did link truthcontest since it's the only website where universal truth is being explained"

LOL
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: The_Present on February 17, 2013, 06:45:19 pm
Let's get honest about the truth of life.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 17, 2013, 09:44:20 pm
Do you mean the truth of life or true life?

Just to paraphrase what we've learnt from Marc's posts though..

The universe is the universe, and if it wasn't the universe it wouldn't be the universe.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: The_Present on February 17, 2013, 10:58:07 pm
You're so close to the truth Karl, yet still so far.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 17, 2013, 11:13:35 pm
Wrong. I'm close, therefore I AM close. I can't be far, because that's impossible. You can't be close if you are far, because being close and far is impossible. To be close IS to be CLOSE. It is the ultimate truth.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 18, 2013, 01:05:50 am
Truth contest is a lot like Scientology tbh
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: wheatrich on February 18, 2013, 02:08:25 am
Well I made a mistake and opened this topic but the entire thing looks like one long winded way of just saying "it is what it is".

The author of the review someone posted I feel has a rudimentary understanding of math/science so the conclusions from that are mostly poor and using people's quotes on stuff that had nothing to do with this is also often intentionally misleading.   The guy clearly doesn't understand Vegas at the very least anyway.

That said, if marc or anyone is happier with this than why not.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 18, 2013, 05:14:10 am
This is a message from a man, Cowen "DarkLight93" Hames, who has been preachin' the teachin' of The Ultimate Truth for many years now.

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You can read more of his work here http://speedrunwiki.com/Cowen_Hames
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: The_Present on February 18, 2013, 05:47:09 am
This boy wouldn;t know the truth if it hit him in the face
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: OHMSS on February 18, 2013, 11:47:47 am
The sheer truth is that I haven't read this topic. But if you guys wanna experience the ultimate mindfuck and read up some exact shit about the boundaries of finding the ultimate truth, then here are some pointers: Gödel's incompleteness theorems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems), ZFC set theory axioms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo%E2%80%93Fraenkel_set_theory), related topics and all the background from logic and philosophy. Very smart people asked the same questions before, use their results! Reading that stuff in-depth is on my life-long to-do-list.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 19, 2013, 03:51:32 am
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 19, 2013, 04:16:48 am
Brad Pitt discusses the ultimate truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGs4CjeJiJQ
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 19, 2013, 04:48:57 am
The creator of Zeitgeist professes his love for the Ultimate Truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq8yqKpYdSM
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 20, 2013, 06:31:43 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD9bCdHqU3s&lc=-k8q1Z5c4BIe4DM-GgBp85urTDN7K9hdtpFh6z0D1Nk


LivingRealityNow  17 hours ago

Did anyone else hear about this news going around that L. Ron Hubbard wrote a book called The Present before he died and instructed the Church to hide it until 12/21/12? I see this going viral on twitter and I want to know if it's true. Apparently, he wrote it under a pen name, Michael Smith and it's now available to read for free online at The Truth Contest (google it).
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InkosiDeVinyl  17 hours ago

Yeah i heard this too, i think it's true
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on February 20, 2013, 08:41:35 am
The Present with religion is by far the superior book for me, because it's the complete book and it gives me the right perspective of religion. I can now read the bible and understand it, unlike so called christians who claims they believe in the bible, but have no clue what it says, just believing in what they are told and not checking things out for themselves.

I thought you were trolling that day in Twitch chat Marc, now I'm in doubt again, and I don't even know where to begin to try to convince you, it's as though you've put your fingers in your ears, repeating the mantra "I have found truth, I have found truth" but you fail to define what that is, or how you know it to be so.

Having a deep familiarity with the Bible, I find the use of it in "The Present" to be laughable, as he quotes out of context or completely ignores anything not falling in line with his views. Plus, the Scriptures themselves claim to be "the truth", "the path", etc. which by definition excludes this guy's way. By the way, I'd be happy to explain anything with the Bible or show why this guy's use of it is incorrect.

As I said in chat, you have to look at your epistemology. How do you know what is true? Is it a feeling? Is it revealed? Is it empirically discovered? Is it unattainable? How do you know to be true what you believe to be true? Or can you? These are questions you've never answered. Saying "it's obvious" is not an answer. How do you know you aren't being fooled?

To be fair, I haven't yet propounded my view but instead have tried to instill some amount of skepticism. My view is essentially that yes, it is possible to know for certain but this cannot be done empirically (Hume is a great example of this, showing that at best you can only speak in probabilities, not certainties about anything). Though I'm not trying to defend this here, I believe that to know anything for certain requires special revelation and that this has been done in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, which provide the foundation or framework for knowing things for certain. Nevertheless, I recognize that any worldview must needs have some form of presupposition, including mine.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: TheRabbitHole on February 20, 2013, 02:39:50 pm
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 20, 2013, 09:49:28 pm
Though I'm not trying to defend this here, I believe that to know anything for certain requires special revelation and that this has been done in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, which provide the foundation or framework for knowing things for certain.

Are you suggesting that the scriptures in the bible are proof of something?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on February 20, 2013, 09:57:12 pm
As I said, I wasn't intending on getting into that here since that's not what the thread is about, but not so much a proof as a foundation for one's epistemology, yes. Where one can find a foundation for knowledge is a big issue (as I alluded to in my above post) and would take a lot more to delve into.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on February 20, 2013, 10:06:28 pm
Actually it is exactly what this thread is about. In your post you have asserted that Marc's book is not evidence/enough to base a foundation on. However, your book is. You are hypocritical and selectively ignorant.

EDIT: I may be misunderstanding you, but it really does sound like you're trying to make a point that the bible is evidence, however trying not to say it that bluntly. The bible is evidence for nothing. In science, anecdotal evidence is never used. The bible is as much evidence as every other religious scripture ever written.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 21, 2013, 05:24:56 am
All religions have their legimacy really. I'm into the Bible as much as the Koran and any other religious scripture, you can learn something from each.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on February 21, 2013, 09:13:37 am
Marc: just stop saying things like that. You're embarrassing yourself. Aside from the fact that many religions are diametrically opposed, you have others that are nothing but slavery and trying to keep some sky god from getting angry at you.

Karl: Not quite what I'm getting at, and I appreciate you giving me the benefit of the doubt. I will try to explain what I mean by foundation for knowledge. Basically, in order to move forward in knowledge or science, one has to have some presuppositions and a worldview. It is unavoidable, but most people just ignore it or don't think about it, and just end up going along on assumptions. Disclaimer: I have an M.S. in engineering and much of what I do for a living is classified as science, so I'm not putting on a tin-foil hat and ignoring science, but I do want to give a foundation for why I can trust scientific methods.

So the question is, how do you know what you know? Or better, how do you know what you know is true? I'll try my best to explain and I apologize if it seems muddled.

I think David Hume (logician and atheist and probably chief of the skeptics) showed very well that pure empiricism, or deciding things based on experiment and records, can at best only show us what is likely to happen, not what will happen. I have personally observed gravity work regularly, but does that give me an assurance it will work tomorrow? I believe that the laws of logic are universal (i.e., no matter what cultural or biological background, everyone knows intuitively that A cannot be both A and not A at the same time). Do I have any reason to suppose that this is always the case? Or will be always the case? Why should logic continue to work? In a nutshell, I cannot talk in certainties with this worldview because we have never and can never observe everything for all time. At best, I can say "gravity will in all likelihood work tomorrow" or "there is a high probability".

This view cannot explain morals either. The empiricist usually says that morals are a social contract, or that some things are not considered socially acceptable by general consensus. But I find problems with this because it by nature cannot allow for absolute morals. Is slavery wrong? People will say "yes". Is it always wrong? The only answer could be "well, it was morally right for past time-periods but not now" because to the people of the past, it was socially acceptable. In other words, it gives no basis for moral absolutes. Is murder wrong? Is lying wrong? Thankfully most people will say yes, but unfortunately the only grounds they can give is that most people agree it's wrong, therefore it is. What you end up with is a majority rule morality and in countries like the US where it is so closely divided on very opposite stances, that is a very scary thing. Sometimes the empiricist will say that it is whatever causes the greatest pleasure and the least pain that is what is "right". Aside from the question as to who decided that was the definition of right, what if it causes me great pleasure to kill those I disagree with? Who is to say the pleasure I gain doesn't outweigh the pain those people have?

Thankfully, the vast majority of people live inconsistently with this worldview. They believe there is an absolute right and wrong and there is nearly universal agreement on the most important things like say, murder and child abuse and stealing. This is great, but it's inconsistent with their worldview, they have no fundamental basis for believing what they do, they don't explain how there could be a absolute right and wrong. And it is in this that they have to borrow from another worldview, namely the Christian worldview.

As a side note, for better or for worse, western civilization is largely based on Christianity, evidenced in things like morals, its treatment of women, property rights, and even public education and this has shaped our thinking more than we realize. Also note that I do believe that the church, which morphed into the Roman Catholic Church, became steeped in superstition and slavery and that was a terrible thing and there were all kinds of horrific crimes committed in the name of Christianity. That is unquestionable.

So I put forward a couple of views in the earlier post: "How do you know what is true? Is it a feeling? Is it revealed? Is it empirically discovered? Is it unattainable?"
Some people believe it is unattainable, we can never know anything for certain and it's not worth trying. Enjoy life and don't worry about it and yet live like it was attainable. I think this is inconsistent.
Some people believe it is empirically discovered, yet while science has made tremendous gains, they do it on the assumption that there are inviolable laws and that absolute morals exist. I think this is also inconsistent since there is no reason to believe that.
My own view is that since we cannot know anything for certain, it must be revealed to us and that is what I believe the Bible does: it is God telling us things we could never discover or know.

Is it a presupposition that the Bible is true and not some other book? Absolutely, but I want to make the point that so is every other view a presupposition. The difference is, I believe that Christianity is logically consistent:

It tells me that there are moral absolutes because morals are based on God and God is unchangeable, therefore I now have a foundation from which to say "Murder is wrong".
It tells me that I can do science, because God created the world with "order". This means I can discover things and know that it's not going to change tomorrow. It makes no sense to talk of "natural laws" in an empirical worldview, it does in a Christian worldview.
It tells me that wisdom flows from God (who again is unchangeable), therefore logic is consistent and always will be.

In other words, it gives me a foundation to then make claims or discoveries. It in no way hurts one's ability to discover things or "do science", in fact, it gives a basis for it. Newton, while not a Christian per se, believed in the Bible and believed a Creator had set in motion natural laws which could not be altered. My personal hero, James Clerk-Maxwell, was a Presbyterian Elder and Einstein thought his work was most important. Nearly all of our modern technology is based off of Maxwell's equations which show the relation between electric and magnetic forces. In Maxwell's biography it is shown that Maxwell believed God had created order and therefore believed that such a relation would exist and that mathematics would work (and they did). Faraday, Henry, Einstein, and a host of others, believed they could do science because they had a foundation for doing it.

My contention is that other worldviews are inconsistent and borrow from the Christian worldview in order to make absolute claims. Scientists borrow from some other foundation when they believe that the experiments they do today will be consistent with the experiments they do tomorrow or that matter behaves in a predictable way.

I believe the Bible is true because of the impossibility of the contrary. Anyone is free to disagree but I'd like to see how I'm being either inconsistent, or how they have no presuppositions either.

To use an example, Marc's "book" cannot be true because it is logically inconsistent. The author basically claims himself as the authority for what the truth is, which is equally valid to me claiming I know what the truth is. He neither explains what his presuppositions are, nor does he explain how he knows anything. He (mis)quotes from Scripture to "prove" a point and then ignores other Scriptures that contradict the point he was proving, so ultimately it's not an authority, he is the authority on it and I'd like to know how he knows that. Besides that, when he says the truth is "obvious" and then also says it's almost impossible for educated people to see it, it makes me severely question the audience he's going after!

Hopefully I've explained myself in terms that can be understood, even if not agreed with.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 21, 2013, 09:36:00 am
Can't be arsed to read that post, I'll read your post later some day though just to be polite  :kappa:

Anyway "that which is" can't be argued over. If you truly want it, you'll find it and see it for yourself. Either way doesn't matter to me though ^^
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: PerfectTaste on February 21, 2013, 11:26:46 am
Marc,

How and where did you recently get brainwashed? :\
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 21, 2013, 11:57:43 am
Rather braindried  ;D
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Funky_Buddha on February 21, 2013, 04:04:20 pm
So Shadow, basically you are saying your book is infallible and that your beliefs are consistent with it. Cool story.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on February 21, 2013, 04:07:13 pm
Not quite, try again.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Funky_Buddha on February 21, 2013, 04:14:01 pm
Ok, so you're saying it's inconsistent for someone like me, who doesn't believe in God, to believe anything - even things that have shown themselves to be believable - unless someone else has received a divine intervention and has told me it's ok to believe them.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Softman25 on February 21, 2013, 04:19:23 pm
In my opinion, as someone who is Jewish:

- The Bible is a foundation upon faith. You simply can't have religion without faith, it simply doesn't exist. If you do not believe, then you're going to naturally cherry pick the nuts out of the Bible, talking about how "This didn't happen" etc etc.
- It's the same with The Present. The difference in my opinion is just that the Bible (of most religions) has been around for thousands of years, whereas this has been around for about...5? (I never checked the publication date tbh) I'm not saying that age is something to determine validity, but I've got a funny feeling that due to the crappy nature of The Present, it's not going to be around in a couple of thousand years, because it makes no sense. It makes no sense, contradicts itself, and many other things which make it simply...stupid.

tl;dr - Both pieces of literature simply just bases of faith, faith in religion or faith in "the truth". But you've actually got to believe to really...give a s***.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on February 21, 2013, 04:26:09 pm
In what way have they shown themselves to be believable? How do you know?
You almost have it. Try this:
Do you think performing an experiment today will have the same result tomorrow? Why?
Do you believe in moral absolutes? Why?
Are there universal laws of logic? Why? (note, this is very abstract).

And I'm not just talking about being told what to believe, I'm talking about a foundation for knowledge itself, a platform to stand on and say "this gives me a starting point". An empiricist certainly can learn things and makes great advances, but what I'm saying is that he has to assume there are natural laws which won't change. He has to assume the validity of logic. He doesn't have a reason to but can't get anywhere without doing so.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Sniper Patrol Troll on February 21, 2013, 04:30:05 pm
There once was a dream that was the-elite.net. This topic is NOT IT.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on February 21, 2013, 04:30:31 pm
tl;dr - Both pieces of literature simply just bases of faith, faith in religion or faith in "the truth". But you've actually got to believe to really...give a s***.

Sorry for the length, I figured that would happen. Thanks for your input and while not exactly similar, it's what I was talking about with regard to presuppositions. Everyone has them and everyone has a worldview. The atheist has to presuppose (on faith if you will) a starting point and go from there. So does the religious person. We can disagree as to the validity of the presupposition but once within that worldview it has to be evaluated for consistency. No matter how you slice it, "The Present" fails that test.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Funky_Buddha on February 21, 2013, 04:57:52 pm
Q1 ) Yes. Because this is what tends to happens in our Universe to date.
Q2 ) No. Because nature doesn't give a damn about morals. I don't even think right and wrong are real. I would contend that we mostly act in our biological interests and that illegal acts would skyrocket if people knew that were not going to go for jail for it. People tend to serve their own best interests and there's nothing inherently "wrong" with that. Survival of the fittest and all that.
Q3) That is abstract. But I'll agree that object A cannot be both object A and not object A.

Science makes the best guess as to what is happening currently in the observed system based on observation. The natural laws have not changed yet and haven't appeared to ever so the current theories are all still thought to be true. (Though I have actually seen a documentary which indicated there is some evidence as to the speed of light changing through time, so there you go, but ignoring that...). Scientists don't have to assume there are natural laws which don't ever change. When doing new experiments they have to assume the natural laws they have observed haven't changed between yesterday and today. If they have, they would find out about it.

Though obviously when making predictions about the future they do have to assume the laws won't change from today.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on February 21, 2013, 05:15:52 pm
I'm curious if you read through my large post then. If you didn't then I don't blame you, it would take some dedication and I don't expect people to care. But that's exactly what my point was in that post: at best (if you're consistent) you can only say there is a high probability that you're right, or that things won't change tomorrow and we'll find gravity has reversed or something. It goes deeper than that but I don't want to get into it. However, you'll find that scientists don't think that way, they talk about natural laws and logic as absolutes, and they act that way too. I'm just saying it is inconsistent even if it's extremely practical.

Regarding Q2: so it's alright for me to steal your TV as long as I don't get caught? :nesquik:
On a more serious note, this means you've given up the right to judge any society ever for anything they ever did, including the practice of genocide. At best, (as again I pointed out in the original post) you can only say "by today's standards that was wrong" or "by my nation's standards your nation did wrong by invading Iraq, but it's okay because for you it was right." Yet people don't act that way: they make moral valuations based on absolutes, which I contend is inconsistent and borrowed.

I'm not trying to convince you to change, I just want to point out that the presuppositions are inconsistent if you press them far enough. If you are fine with that, then I won't press further, but we'd understand each other better.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Funky_Buddha on February 21, 2013, 05:56:14 pm
So you're saying noone can believe in anything without assuming something which can't be proven. I guess I can agree with that.

Yes you can steal my tv. And I'll gut you like a fish for it. And it will be alright, just like genocide. Just following the thall shalt not judge commandment.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on February 21, 2013, 06:54:20 pm
Yes, that is certainly part of what I'm saying: we all have presuppositions, we can argue as to the validity of varying ones but we all have them. Ultimately this intended to point out that "The Present" isn't even logically consistent within its own world view and basically claims this guy's view as the ultimate arbiter of truth, something I think is a bit egotistical, if not downright untenable! It shows no authority or basis for knowing the truth other than "it's obvious", which it clearly isn't if he's the only one to discover it.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Funky_Buddha on February 21, 2013, 07:23:26 pm
Fair enough.

I realise you had no intention of debating this here, and it is a bit off topic I still have a gripe your point about being able to be "certain" of the truth within the framework of the Testaments. It's a bit rich to say that it can be done within your books because someone received a revelation. Your worldview is consistent only if you neglect the fact that it's held up by shoehorning in a mystical entity whose existence can't be proven, something which there is as little reason to believe as the presupposition that the laws of the universe don't change. Calling yours consistent and the other inconsistent reeks of bias.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 21, 2013, 08:33:51 pm
I once almost died.

I fell on the road and a car was coming.

I prayed to God and the car PASSED THROUGH ME.

God exists.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on February 21, 2013, 08:53:43 pm
Fair enough.

I realise you had no intention of debating this here, and it is a bit off topic I still have a gripe your point about being able to be "certain" of the truth within the framework of the Testaments. It's a bit rich to say that it can be done within your books because someone received a revelation. Your worldview is consistent only if you neglect the fact that it's held up by shoehorning in a mystical entity whose existence can't be proven, something which there is as little reason to believe as the presupposition that the laws of the universe don't change. Calling yours consistent and the other inconsistent reeks of bias.

I really appreciate the courtesy, yes I wasn't intending on debating this here but was trying to explain to Karl what I meant. We all have biases and as I said, it could certainly be debated as to whether this is a good presupposition but at the very least I know I can consistently hold to absolute morals, natural laws, and logic within this worldview, and that's worth something to me.

On a (somewhat) related note, I've run into a lot of people who say that religious people cannot "do science" because they believe in a fictional being. I been increasingly convinced that not only is this historically not true (many religious people actually fueled discovery), but it's actually kind of neat to have competing views in a way. For example, an evolutionist could look at certain parts of DNA and not know what they are for and say they are junk DNA. A non-evolutionist could say "there must be a purpose since I believe God created this for a reason" and try to discover what that purpose is. He might find something showing it's not really "junk DNA" or he might not. On the other hand, evolution theory has many applications for even networks in computer science.

While I wouldn't see certain views as valid, I think it's really neat that every view can have something to offer because it's approached from a different angle and with different presuppositions. Diversity in worldview seems to enrich discovery. Thanks for the discussion.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 22, 2013, 01:06:52 am
and basically claims this guy's view as the ultimate arbiter of truth, something I think is a bit egotistical, if not downright untenable!

Wrong. He doesn't even take credit for writing the book. I guess since you're used to praise images in your religion, you assume immidiately that the author of the present wants the same. Don't pay attention to the messenger as even Jesus said, you might just miss the message.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 22, 2013, 03:55:05 am
"WOW! I have been reading for 4 days, stopping only to sleep briefly. I am 30 years old in Christ and thought there was no more to know. Again, wow! My mother walked away from religion and God 25 years ago due to the corruption and distortion. Now she is BACK and all because of reading The Present! Excellent, indescribably excellence. I pray we meet you in heaven as you are one beautiful prophet!" - Merlyn

I lol'd my ass off at this. I read the most of the book in less than 2 hours. Guess for Merlyn the Present will be the most intellectually stimulating book he will every read. I pity him.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 22, 2013, 04:54:36 am
No need to pity someone who can be fulfilled by life all the time regardless of what happens, we're managing fine, but thanks :)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on February 22, 2013, 08:12:48 am
Wrong. He doesn't even take credit for writing the book. I guess since you're used to praise images in your religion, you assume immidiately that the author of the present wants the same. Don't pay attention to the messenger as even Jesus said, you might just miss the message.

I don't care what he wants, I'm just saying he assumes himself as the ultimate authority. If not, then how does he know what he is saying is the truth (which is a question I've asked you repeatedly but you've never answered besides saying "it's obvious"). Take any given sentence of the author's:

"The devil is just a name for the force of deception in all our lives. The adversary of God, the Antichrist etc., is the mind, the beast within."

How does he know that? It's certainly not "obvious". Here is given no reason, no explanation. Essentially he said this is how it is, this is the truth.
How am I to know that except on his authority? How can he possibly not be claiming himself as the authority on truth?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 22, 2013, 10:03:00 am
How can I possibly know I am not making up every person I meet in my mind? or the whole world surrounding them and myself?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Henning Blom on February 22, 2013, 10:14:46 am
We live in a dream! :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 22, 2013, 10:20:43 am
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 22, 2013, 10:39:16 am
How can I possibly know I am not making up every person I meet in my mind? or the whole world surrounding them and myself?

 :D
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 22, 2013, 10:42:24 am
Goose, who says god is the image of an emotional angry man that looks much like ourselves? God is within you, god is outside you, god is omnipresent, the force of all things that makes the present which you have no control of. The picture of god looking like a man is a pretty cute thought though  :P

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on February 22, 2013, 11:00:42 am
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHUT UP ALL OF YOU!! and like fucking.... EAT!!!! AAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Ilari Illu Pekkala
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 22, 2013, 11:03:41 am
(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-9m4V05-mn4E%2FTWm8zFefBiI%2FAAAAAAAACeU%2FLUJnnIeXyNw%2Fs1600%2Fislam-scientology.png&hash=8a1e30c45fc7665765cb82861298a037e6db6b15)

THE TRUTH CONTEST WRITER L RON F HUBBARD.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on February 22, 2013, 11:05:18 am
oh God  :nesquik:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 22, 2013, 11:34:19 am
Inkosi himself admitted on Youtube comments that he believes Ron Hubbard wrote The Present under the pseudonym Xavier whatever.

Ron Hubbard has admitted he only wrote about these things, started religions, etc, to gain financial profit.

Inkosi... explain?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 22, 2013, 12:27:53 pm
Project reasons, Hubbard and his lame religion doesn't have squat diddily dit to do with the present.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Henning Blom on February 22, 2013, 02:25:53 pm
Are you 100% sure? I might have written the present :nesquik:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on February 22, 2013, 02:32:52 pm
That's true!  :D

Marc, what would you do if the author of "The Present" suddenly came out on Truth Contest and said "Okay guys, I admit it, it was all a big joke. Pretty funny!"

Would you change your mind or continue to think he'd unknowingly stumbled on "the truth"?

Edit: Because if the answer is the latter, this discussion is over because you're a closed door (as I suspect has been the case for a while).
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 22, 2013, 02:47:21 pm
Yes, a free website sure reminds me of an author seeking financial profit.

And a lot of these posts keep making rebuttals ignoring the messages. Content does not change based on the author changing his mind on it. The author does not matter. It's about how you interpret what you read and how you make it useful for yourself.

For instance, say Trent is God (a lot of people don't believe in Trent either, seems to be the consensus around here). Trent messages us about the truth. The Trev shot works! Now, imagine Trent suddenly changing his mind and telling us it was a big joke. The Trev shot will still exist and work.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on February 22, 2013, 02:51:22 pm
Isn't that a testable hypothesis though? What is this guy saying that is testable? How do I know what he is saying is true? How do I know he isn't joking?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 22, 2013, 03:20:19 pm
Yes, a free website sure reminds me of an author seeking financial profit.

And a lot of these posts keep making rebuttals ignoring the messages. Content does not change based on the author changing his mind on it. The author does not matter. It's about how you interpret what you read and how you make it useful for yourself.

For instance, say Trent is God (a lot of people don't believe in Trent either, seems to be the consensus around here). Trent messages us about the truth. The Trev shot works! Now, imagine Trent suddenly changing his mind and telling us it was a big joke. The Trev shot will still exist and work.


(https://i.imgur.com/7XkUC.gif)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on February 22, 2013, 03:26:15 pm
Most of it makes sense to me. I focus on the content and I also try different views and/or definitions for terms (nobody uses the exact same internal dictionary). Things that don't make sense tend to start making more sense after I've read them multiple times and whatever happens in life could also help give new insights. I haven't read all yet, but it helps me understand religion, it gives me a different view on things. Objections made in this thread seem to be mostly fueled by conflicting views of what is truth and calling this the truth has not fallen well.

How do you know what is the truth? The present says everything in there you can check for yourself. How do you do that? Do you actually look up any evidence yourself? How determined are you in finding the answer and how do you check that answer is correct? I know I don't, it would cost me way too much time than I want to spend on this at the moment. What matters to me is that it makes sense to me and I am positive about the present.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 22, 2013, 03:35:36 pm
What if i'm sucking your god's dick right now in my room and we're making a deal that you are going to burn in hell?  :kappa: I'm sorry but you asked for it, "If" questions are useless and Wouter made a great point there.



Anyway i found some really cool bits,

Characteristics of Satan

1. Created by God, and not equal to God. (Prov 16:4)

2. Defies God and despises truth. (John 8:44)

3. Was given limited power. (Job 1:8-12)

4. Commands a hierarchy of demons. (Eph. 6:10-12)

5. Masquerades as "an angel of light." (2 Cor. 11:14-15)

6. Came to steal, kill and destroy. (John 10:10)

7. Lost access to faithful, redeemed Christians. (John 10:2-15, Gal. 2:20, 1 John 4:4)

8. Rules the masses outside God’s protection. (Eph. 2:1-3)

9. Tries to hide the actual truth about our God. (2 Cor. 4:3-4)

10. TWISTS SCRIPTURES TO FIT HIS PURPOSES . (Gen. 3:1-5)

11. Offers counterfeit promises he can't fulfill. (Gen. 3:4-5)

12. Always seeks an "opportune time" to tempt us. (Luke 4:13)



Also, Satan is described as the great adversary. What could be more deceiving than your own mind? There are tons of things from the bible that indicates satan is our own animal minds. Jesus even said countless of times indirectly and even directly that the mind is the biggest problem and is the only thing between you and god/life/the present. Just one of thousands examples of the bible that can be applied to reality. Of course people are too stubborn to admit that what is closest to them is decieving them most.

I mean it's understandable that the same myths are believed in and have been accepted in generations for thousands of years, people can't help it, but why do it any longer? Jesus clearly said truth builds on truth, new revelations of the truth will always build on the old ones, yet no one is seeking. If you are a true Christian, you would seek and continue to do so even when you find. New revelations and ANYTHING that is a threat to the core belief is ignored. Cognitive dissonance, just another tool of satan. Tons of things Christians believe in contradicts Jesus' sayings, it is pretty ironic.

When the bible can be applied and checked in reality, the only thing that exists, why are people still looking for myths? Many of Jesus' sayings about his words being interpreted correctly clearly indicates he knew people would twist his words into BS. Do 33% of the people in the world (christians) honestly think they know exactly what Jesus is saying? When the bible can be applied and checked in REALITY, the myths doesn't serve any purpose no longer. The whole Jesus' sayings from Gospel of Thomas can be applied to reality with ease and makes totally sense after reading the present with religion.


Again, i'm not against religion, i'm FOR religion, i think it's pretty awesome. But religious people need to start seeking and stop accept the old stories that have been passed down in generations if mankind will have any chance surviving on this planet. Satan is the prince of the air as Jesus says. Those who think they are closest to god are farthest away.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 22, 2013, 05:18:48 pm
Dreamz talks about the truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZE-kXOt2E4
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on February 22, 2013, 05:19:33 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/7XkUC.gif)

Marc. Until you learn how to think and to answer questions, I can't continue :(
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Funky_Buddha on February 22, 2013, 06:15:32 pm
Marc, correct me if I'm wrong but you're talking as though your belief isn't a religion. That's very strange, since it obviously is... (albeit some sort of new, small, as yet unnamed religion. Actually that might be cult, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 22, 2013, 06:36:49 pm
Atheism is a religion.

Telling this to atheists is a sure fire way to get them MAD.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 22, 2013, 07:51:11 pm
Only 33% of people know the real meaning of John and Paul's lyrics.  :kappa: :kappa: :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 23, 2013, 05:18:28 am
True religion

 :D

I love how several people here have used the term "belief" It's all in your mind and it'll get you nowhere except temporarily comfort which will balance out later anyway.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 23, 2013, 05:32:03 am
***SUPER RARE DEMO RECORDING***

**ORIGINAL VERSION OF LET IT BE**

**WRITTEN BY JOHN LENNON AND PAUL MCCARTNEY**


I found this by writing a letter to Xavier, the writer of the truth contest.  He mailed me a USB stick with this file on it.  Apparently it is the only existing recording of this original demo version of Let it Be, before Apple records changed the lyrics to be more marketable.  Another fine example of corporatism trying to HIDE the messages of truth tellers like John and Paul.

If you listen close you will hear some hidden messages about the truth.

http://goose.speedrunwiki.com/recordings/the%20truth.wav
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 23, 2013, 06:00:08 am
Didn't hear anything of value *moves on*  ;)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Thiradell on February 23, 2013, 06:50:58 pm
You can't escape your own mind, d00d

This topic's pretty great, lolled hard at Abandon Thread .gif. Shadow made some interesting, thoroughly reasoned points. We could get into evidence specifically supporting Christianity past the point of it being the "most convenient" worldview, as well.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on February 23, 2013, 07:43:35 pm
Quote
http://goose.speedrunwiki.com/recordings/the%20truth.wav

fake
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 23, 2013, 08:34:46 pm
http://goose.speedrunwiki.com/recordings/the%20truth.wav

 :-? :nesquik: :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on February 24, 2013, 01:40:18 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWN2vFgZ2zo

GO TO 23:20
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 24, 2013, 02:29:24 am
A TRUE ARTISTE SEARCHING FOR THE ULTIMATE TRUTH IN THE PRESENT AND IN THE PRESENT WITH RELIGION WITH THE REAL MEANING OF HIS MUSIC FOR ALL GENERATIONS
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on February 24, 2013, 02:32:05 am
How on earth did you find this?  :nesquik:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on February 24, 2013, 04:33:48 am
I went to 23:20

There was nothing special there?  He was just talking a bit about Mozart.

I was expecting something pertaining to the truth.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on February 24, 2013, 04:36:37 am
You can't escape your own mind, d00d





(https://i.imgur.com/7XkUC.gif)


Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on February 24, 2013, 05:05:56 am
Quote
I went to 23:20

There was nothing special there?  He was just talking a bit about Mozart.

I was expecting something pertaining to the truth.

He was explaining the HIDDEN MEANINGS in Mozart
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: 50 on February 24, 2013, 08:55:20 am
http://goose.speedrunwiki.com/recordings/the%20truth.wav

 :-? :nesquik: :kappa:

lol :nesquik::nesquik::nesquik:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on February 25, 2013, 01:44:27 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlzrNKN3rZI
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on February 25, 2013, 12:57:03 pm
abandon thread gif had me lolling out of my chair.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on March 01, 2013, 02:58:53 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o5FMTHkLQg
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on March 01, 2013, 03:02:09 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_GBwuYuOOs
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on March 01, 2013, 12:55:39 pm
 :v
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: ManceGaydar on March 04, 2013, 06:39:33 pm
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on March 05, 2013, 09:43:53 am
THIS IS AMAZING - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpUNA2nutbk
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: .. on March 05, 2013, 12:26:15 pm
Pretty sure this topic has run its course
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on April 21, 2013, 02:40:57 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITTxTCz4Ums

amazing video on the present moment by one of my new hero's. Will be watching a lot of videos from this man.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on April 21, 2013, 07:59:56 am
Sam Harris is a great writer and clear speaker, thanks for the link Karl, very good talk
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on May 10, 2013, 06:55:46 am
https://twitter.com/MileyCyrus/status/332707617296240640


Quote
Miley Ray Cyrus Verified account
@MileyCyrus

Cotton candy ice cream is the TRUTH

 Reply  Retweet  Favorite  More   


 :nesquik:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on June 15, 2013, 03:48:23 am
The latest celebrity to discover the truth!

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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on June 20, 2013, 07:54:06 pm
"'I wanna fuck you hard on the sink, after that give you something to drink'"

Ultimate truth from Kanyé there
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Lark on June 20, 2013, 09:24:39 pm
Que es la verdad ultima?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on July 20, 2013, 12:51:31 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-AV861UUt0

Skip to 14:40. Apparently P(G)/E is the ultimate truth.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on July 20, 2013, 12:53:50 am
lol amazing  :nesquik:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on August 24, 2013, 12:49:02 pm
http://www.today.com/entertainment/owner-john-lennons-tooth-hopes-clone-late-beatle-6C10975692 (http://www.today.com/entertainment/owner-john-lennons-tooth-hopes-clone-late-beatle-6C10975692)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: the Blueline Goddess on August 24, 2013, 03:58:37 pm
The ultimate tooth.  :kappa:

Maybe it's just me, but a clone doesn't mean it's going to be a great musician.  There's a lot of cloning issues in the horse world (the AQHA recently lost a lawsuit where they were denying registration to cloned horses) and I can't say I'm all that keen on cloning.  With horses, it's a way to make tons of money without any of the work (great horse dies, they can clone him and use the clone for breeding, despite the clone having absolutely no accomplishments... and people are stupid enough to buy breedings to the clone and ugh).
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on August 24, 2013, 04:12:27 pm
Secretariat lives 4evr :)
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Post by: the Blueline Goddess on August 24, 2013, 09:15:37 pm
Luckily the Jockey Club (Thoroughbred registration) is pretty strict and has the money (and power) to remain so - they don't even allow artificial insemination.  Every breeding has to be "live cover" in order for the horse to be registered (and a Thoroughbred has to be in the Jockey Club in order to race).  The AQHA, which should have a ton of money (having the most horses registered in ANY registry EVER), somehow apparently has really bad lawyers or their policy of allowing AI and embryo transfers opened the can of worms to clones. 

Lots of debate on how the JC should allow AI, as it could spread certain bloodlines out further and reduce stress/risk of injury to a lot of very valuable horses, but after the cloning issue with the AQHA I'm thinking they are glad they've always maintained the whole "Natural" thing. 
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on October 03, 2013, 08:20:23 am
fuck! piss! fucking cunt! dick! ass! I just realized the truth thing is real!

I've been wasting my life doing stupid shit all the time.

Time to start seeking this damn thing now.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on October 03, 2013, 09:33:01 am
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on October 07, 2013, 05:59:36 pm
The thing is though, I think I'm serious.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: the Blueline Goddess on October 20, 2013, 02:05:03 pm
...and Illu was never heard from again.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: OHMSS on October 20, 2013, 05:29:04 pm
Illu, I don't really know what your grief is all about, but here is the truth about your last two post: Yes, playing the same old games hardcore for 15 years does not grant (or does probably even prohibit) a fulfilling live. But that in no way implies that some online pseudo-religion is the answer/solution!
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on October 22, 2013, 10:55:25 am
The meaning of the word "truth". The Websters Dictionary definition says what the word means -

"truth: being in accord with fact or reality"


Just a small heads up that might help. :)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on October 25, 2013, 04:41:07 am
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: DYM on October 25, 2013, 09:24:14 am
LOL
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on May 08, 2014, 02:13:35 am
Time to man the fuck up and stop letting fear and cognitive dissonance prevent you from learning the self-evident truth of life and death, time to walk the walk and not just talk the talk.

www.truthcontest.com, the top entry "The Present" for the most simple, accurate and updated explanation of the truth of life. "The Present with religion" for the full and more complete version.


Get at it, for your own best. Don't even postpone it for a day. 150.000 people just like you are going to die today, the wheel is turning. Spend the last hours in this body to embrace the truth or scrumble to the illusions of this temporarily world. You are the product of 4.5 billion years of slow evolution, now act like it. Get on it. Now.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on May 08, 2014, 02:33:23 am
Let's get honest about the truth of life.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on May 08, 2014, 02:57:53 am
See related:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Solar_Temple
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: DYM on May 08, 2014, 07:25:13 am
:nesquik:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Carathorn on May 08, 2014, 05:30:24 pm
inkosi takes another crucial step in protecting his eternal virginity
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on May 09, 2014, 01:51:35 am
Time to man the fuck up and stop letting fear and cognitive dissonance prevent you from learning the self-evident truth of life and death, time to walk the walk and not just talk the talk.

www.truthcontest.com, the top entry "The Present" for the most simple, accurate and updated explanation of the truth of life. "The Present with religion" for the full and more complete version.


Get at it, for your own best. Don't even postpone it for a day. 150.000 people just like you are going to die today, the wheel is turning. Spend the last hours in this body to embrace the truth or scrumble to the illusions of this temporarily world. You are the product of 4.5 billion years of slow evolution, now act like it. Get on it. Now.

Another nonsense post with literally NO LOGICAL REASONS FOR ANYTHING.

"Time to man up", "For your own best", "the world is turning", "Now act like it"... Literally NOTHING OF VALUE. Seriously, no fucking substance what so ever and it's really saddening to me that Marc might actually have intelligence but it is wasting it on this bullshit.

Here's some advice Marc, do some actual research and come back with a REASON as to why people should do anything. Telling people to 'man up', 'get with it', 'get on it' etc DOES NOTHING. It's just phrases that you think have meaning. Well guess what, they don't have any fucking meaning so stop spouting jibberish and actually say something with some actual substance.

The Present lacks understanding of even the most foundational physics. For example, there is no 'present' that we could ever experience. Electrical impules in our bodies travel at a finite speed, thus by necessity we can only ever experience things that have happened in the past. The same goes for light. Given that our brain's take up more than one plank length of SPACE it's literally impossible for even our brains to fully experience the same moment in time.

The book preaches truth and yet fails to understand that the universe is relative and space and time is 1. Not universal, and 2. Is not fixed and can be bent, warped, manipulated.

Even science does not claim to know the 'truth' about the universe, it just makes predictions and gives the best current explanation about the nature of things.

For someone to claim they understand the 'truth' is the most naïve and ignorant thing I've ever heard. Humans always learn new things about the nature of the universe and about the nature of ourselves. To think that this person has discovered the truth is fucked up. Obviously you (and the other people who preach that this book is the truth) has very, very, VERY little understanding of the universe and how it works.

Marc you have very little understanding of biology, physics, chemistry, or any science for that matter. The reason I can make this assessment is because you've never, ever said anything that makes any fucking sense or has actual data to back it up.

Point us to a peer reviewed study that backs up anything you or the book is saying. Until then you are just another ignorant, uneducated, religious, naïve idiot who thinks they know something (but actually knows jack shit about anything).
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on May 09, 2014, 03:33:34 am
Well if you look in the book then it brings up evolution which says we evolved from bacteria to human and this took like billions of years and the book says that if you look at it logically this means that after human we are going back to bacteria because everything goes in a circle in the universe (look at how planets move etc)

So yea going back to bacteria would suck because it's basically the hell that the bible talks about, this place of sulphur, fire or whatever that's down there in bacteria hell. So if we don't wanna go to bacteria hell we have to evolve into spiritual beings which would be some kind of detachment from the mind, not getting caught up in the mind or whatever.

And why is this true? Well it says it in the book and the book is the top entry of the truth contest for several years so ofcourse it must be right and also you can look it up yourself... well that's what it says in the book anyways, but yea it's the top entry there so trust it.

So yea lets get on with it.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Smit on May 09, 2014, 04:03:58 am
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on May 09, 2014, 04:26:31 am
yeah Karl's post was amazing but completely pointless
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on May 09, 2014, 08:10:29 am
indoctrinate by installing fear of some made-up bacteria hell, then make preposterous claims about how to transcend this by reading the most internally voted up story on a website authored by a faceless con artist, non of which contains an ounce of evidence.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on May 09, 2014, 09:18:17 am
GUYS i got some goldfish




                                       you know






the crackers







DeLiCiOuS
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on May 09, 2014, 09:21:24 am
I'm jelly

why isn't anyone streaming?

wat is this
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Wody on May 09, 2014, 10:12:20 am
I agree with both Luke and Karl. Also instead of actually living your life, you are a slave to this low class scamming website. I have never seen someone so gullible in my life tbh. Its honestly sad because I really want to meet you because you are such a cool badass person. But now as the months go by you seem to change and change even more because this website literally stole your life. Always changing your name and deleting everyone off facebook. You act extremely weird. You come into my chat and chill some but you dont talk really. Its not the old Marc I was used to chatting to. I know I have never met you but I care about what you think cause you are my friend,I respect you, and I think you are smart. But who is to say that this website is correct on how the universe works. Why does the website created by some crazy person get the final word? Who is to say THEY ARE ACTUALLY CORRECT. amazing people get fed a few believable theories and they stop their lives to live for this fucking website that is scaring them into spreading this truth stuff. Marc is literally scared his spirit wont go somewhere or be eligible to reincarnate or some shit like that if he doesnt spread "www.truthcontest.com" UN REAL Like take a step back and look at the picture. A person is scared by a website and stops whatever they are doing in their life to become a slave to this website because this website magically becomes the final word on how the universe works and that people should do exactly what it says. You have literally been scared by something ridiculous over the internet. And I remember it was you Marc that said fear over the internet is priceless or something like that. So why dont you just take a look at your situation. The great dane, Marc Rutzou being controlled, thrown around, and embarrassed by some low class website. You have been blinded into believing your life has taken a turn for the better to not see how far you have really fallen. Why dont you, The Great Marc Rutzou a true legend, man up and take back control of YOUR life and LIVE it.

Thats all I have to say about this. I wish you the best Marc. I honestly do. It makes me sad :( I miss you as a friend and its been a long time since I have last spoken with the OLD Marc. I hope I can chat with you someday like old times and see you progress in life. I respect you a lot Marc. I really do.

Sometimes you just have to stop yourself, then take a step back to look at your life and see how simple the problems really are.

<3

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Jimbo on May 09, 2014, 10:21:49 am
Preach it Woody, god damn. Great post ^^

I'm a bit more crass, rude, and to the point, but you suck nowdays Marc. You used to be everyone's favorite future champion and great guy to be social with, but now you are a delusional nonsensical bag of horse-poo preaching the weirdest shit anyone's ever heard. The very WORST part is that you're not even claiming things from the Bible or any other sacred historical book, but rather some garbage website.

Come back to us Marc, we miss you.  :v :v :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: AEB on May 09, 2014, 10:32:02 am
Let go of this truth bullshit and play some fucking Goldeneye FFS.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on May 09, 2014, 10:44:44 am
ok since we've turned this into an intervention thread...

Dear Marc,

stop being retarded and play GE
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on May 09, 2014, 10:47:05 am
Oh boy they never lied to me when they said spiritual beings being around mankind is like mankind being around cavemen. Mankind, an odd animal indeed. Monkey type creatures who can stand up right, talk and do things, busy playing animal mind-games. No different than lower animals for the exception of the thinking rational mind that can know the fundemental truth of life and thus overcome the instinctual animal mind (almost nobody evolved to that point yet) Watching and observing them everyday with an unjudgemental, impartial, discerning eye brings a kind of unexplainable joy and relief.

Staying on path while we are unpopular is the most important thing, because we may never get popular. It seems grandiose to think that all the life and people in this world are just to test us, but it could very well be true. All the prophets of the past failed at getting the truth across, so to follow them as they say to do, is to fail like them, go down trying as they did. You need the mud for the lily to grow. getting caught up in the having to succeed mind set, it is a trap. I would be more concerned with our salvation if we succeed in getting popular. We can only be truly tested in the face of total opposition like we face now.

Everything in modern society is created by the devil animal mind to obscure what is really happening, to make us think everything is OK or that we are going to fix the things that are not OK by going along with the rest of the human race, by doing popular things, things that feel good. It is a lie, a deception. The fact that everyone, all of mankind believes the deception makes it seem very real, so no one sees it.

Do not lose track of where we really are and what is really happening.


Taking it easy, swimming through the vast ocean of BS while keeping it cool, planting the seeds that needs to be planted and those with eyes to see and ears to hear will respond, until most of mankind will be ready to make the transition, which the odds are will be too late by then.



(Will probably play for 2nd. place and 100% wr sometime when i feel like it :) but simply too busy atm being fulfilled by life. I wish everyone could learn how to do it and evolve past the balanced, savage, horrible animal realm while you still have the incredibly rare and brief window of opportunity to do so while life is calm at the top of the evolutionary ladder)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on May 09, 2014, 10:57:48 am
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on May 09, 2014, 11:10:19 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWa0dZMHYeE
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on May 09, 2014, 11:12:23 am
you actually think you can get 2nd and the 100% WR?

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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Jimbo on May 09, 2014, 11:29:42 am
What the fuck, I swear I just read the script from the Matrix.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on May 09, 2014, 11:54:30 am
Another moronic Marc post with absolutely no substance. Making claims about reality with literally no evidence.

Marc claims that he cares about logic, evidence and truth and yet every paragraph he writes either has a claim backed by no evidence or a logical fallacy.

I don't reply to Marc for Marc's sake. Marc is an obvious retard. But the kind of retard that thinks he is smarter than others. His statements about us being like animals around him is fucking pathetic.

No, Marc is a lost cause. Similar to those from Heaven's Gate and Jonestown like Ryan linked. People like Marc are too stupid to think for themselves. Marc is so moronic that he still continues to post this shit on here even though this group is universally against it.

Similar to the loser at school that continually tries to be included in a group that doesn't like them. Marc's continued endeavour in this topic leads to me to believe he is very alone in life (else he would vent this stupidity elsewhere). Marc completely lacks social intelligence, one of the key signs of stupidity.

I actually reply to Marc for the sake of others. I can't let this BS topic be too one sided. I have to protect those who read it from the barrage of bullshit. I will preach logic, reason and EVIDENCE. Something Marc has no clue about.

The Present has literally dozens of logical fallacies and unproven claims within the first 3 pages. I'm not kidding either. Anyone who thinks is has value has no idea about the scientific method. Everything that has made this world a better place has come from science and reason. Funny how The Present claims to want to improve this earth, and yet fails to use the only tools that are actually capable of doing this.

P.S Marc's understanding is so fucking minimal that he couldn't address a single point I raised. Typical sidestepping of those involved with religious cults who's beliefs have literally no legs to stand on.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flicker on May 09, 2014, 12:15:11 pm
I will preach logic, reason and EVIDENCE.

thisthisthisthis all day this
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on May 09, 2014, 01:09:18 pm
Jessica Alba is so hot
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Thiradell on May 09, 2014, 03:06:04 pm
"Oh boy they never lied to me when they said spiritual beings being around mankind is like mankind being around cavemen."

LOL

Who said this (who is they)

What is a "spiritual being"

You're not an angel, stop pretending like you're not a man. You haven't evolved into anything

If you actually believe in this, parading your hoity-toity nonsense as if the none of the rest of us could understand it is a bit pointless, wouldn't you say? Isn't the point to convert others to your faith? Isn't that what the Present tries to do?

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on May 09, 2014, 03:45:46 pm
The Way of the Prophets is a trail of tears. I have commissioned you to be prophets to this generation. Consequently, they will ridicule and revile you, saying all kinds of bad things about you. What? Don't you know that they have always rejected the prophets whom I have sent among them? Yes, I tell you the truth when I say that even those who follow the prophets do not understand them, for they speak of the things of the Spirit, which cannot be apprehended by the physical mind.

The prophet is alone with the Eloheim, for of all mortals, it is he who sees the reality which he cannot convey to his people. Lonely is the Way of the Prophet, but if he brings one soul one step closer to Light, all his loneliness and grief is justified, for great will be his joy in the heavenly realm, and he will become a great company at the seat of the Highest.

The person who stands alone will be with the Eloheim; the person who is with the Eloheim will stand alone.



No, i don't believe or have faith in anything, Tyler. I go with what i can know, what the evidence says, what i can check for myself and see with my own eyes, and i encourage everybody to do it just as the author does. It's my responsibilty to put it out there, plant the seed, point the way, but with no attachments to results, independant on the fate of mankind. My mind is changing accordingly as i do it, which is all that matters. I've really started to appreciate opposition, i welcome it. It tests me and forces me to evolve.

I would love to know how far you are from what Jesus actually were saying, to the misinterpretions of uninspired scholars who worships the words of flesh and the mind, it interests me. I might send you a message sometime. Jesus was considered a blasphemer in his time and was executed for it like any other ordinary criminal. Nobody liked him very much, had 12 followers who didn't have a chance to understand what he was saying anyway. To go down as he did, to follow him as he said, is to fail getting the truth across, to spread the unpopular truth against any opposition, not believe in popular comfortable myths and stories that was being marketed by people like Paul, long time after Jesus died. Jesus said he was the truth and the life, not the myth and the life. If you stand by him, you stand alone in front of the Eloheim as he said. Whether you know it or not, what you believe and have faith in is the complete upside-down opposite of what Jesus taught. The truth can be explained without Jesus' words, but it is good pieces of the puzzle has been hidden in different religions, waiting for mankind to have evolved for enough time and unite.

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Matthew 6:10, as it is written.

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Carathorn on May 09, 2014, 03:46:12 pm
Karl

You should never disqualify someone for believing something, no matter how stupid you think it is or no matter how unfounded their believes are in your opinion. While I agree that logic and reason are the way to go, it still doesn't give you a free pass to judge people to shit. Also, that same logic and reason should have you realize and accept the fact that there are billions of people who believe things that YOU think are bullshit.

Marc posting something this incredibly troll is up to him. Now it's us up to us to ignore it to death which is clearly the best thing to do. That or troll it to death. Plus, Marc needs no saving. He is a grown up man and he decides to believe whatever he wants.

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on May 09, 2014, 03:50:10 pm
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: AEB on May 09, 2014, 04:35:44 pm
Marc, do you realize there are millions of people on Earth that have different idea about the "meaning of life", and even though their idea differ little or a lot from yours, they're all convinced that they're right, just like you? What makes you special? I can tell you what you'd need to make your idea special: evidence/arguments/reasons, and you haven't provided any. There's thousands of similar religion/cult/mythology/other bullshit sites on the Internet and what's more likely: that your favourite one is correct or that every one of them are wrong?

No human being know the "real meaning of life". Those that say they do are much more likely to be liars or have been lied to by others (many times unconsciously of course). There probably isn't one true meaning and therefore we have to create one for ourselves. Yeah, we're nothing compared to the whole universe, but we're a lot to each other and other inhabitants of this planet instead, and that's all that should matter. It should be obvious to anyone who's heard that there are more religious beliefs in the world other than their own, that all religious ideas are bullshit.

Maybe you're just fucking with us, though.

?  :nesquik:  ?

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on May 09, 2014, 05:14:50 pm
Nobody is responsible for what you understand. I always will stand by what i say and be responsible for it, not for what you misinterpret.

Stefan, don't get caught up in opinions, ideas, perspectives, beliefs of life etc. They lead people in circles and will never unite us as a species. The way of Life, the agenda of the Spirit, the path of truth, the ability to rationally discern "that which is" - that is the path and common ground we can and must unite on. These are not and cannot be different for people, because they are not just perceptions or opinions; they are inherent to reality, are reality. Yes, everyone has their own unique perspective, but when it comes to the truth, it is the truth, or it is not. There is no in between. Perception and perspective do not determine or create truth, because perception and perspective change, while truth remains unchanging. Truth alone will endure. Truth stands on its own. We can only be more or less aware of reality. Perception can only hide/distort or align with reality. We are all affected by gravity, life/the universe will always do what it does without asking for your permission to do it or what you want to believe of it.

The question is only if i explained it well enough for you to grasp that. You will understand it a thousand times more clear if you read the books with honesty. You say evidence. Read the books with an objectively, impartial, discerning mind, it is filled with nothing but hard evidence. If you know better or know someone that does, then submit an entry and prove that you do actually care about the truth and mankind and not just talking the talk like everyone else.


What this man says is almost identical to some parts of The Present. Explained less simply and less accurately than in The Present, although explained in a way that more people would be able to relate to on their own level of awareness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0--_R6xThs

It is amazing how a handful of people over generations on this planet has/had access to this knowledge beyond the mind without being in contact with one another. One of many examples (and this is one of the weak examples compared to all of the evidence) that points towards to the existence of The Collective Unconscious/The Holy Spirit.
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Post by: RWG on May 09, 2014, 05:48:22 pm
Marc I am genuinely curious

how does the statement "it is impossible to be conscious of being unconscious" PROVE immortality?
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Post by: Wody on May 09, 2014, 06:12:14 pm
Jessica Alba is so hot
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Post by: Illu on May 09, 2014, 06:13:45 pm
If we all could just read the fucking book for once God damnit!!!

I read it! I've now got the truth like Marc.. go fucking read the book it's self evident.

oh well I've planted my seeds cya
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Dark Slayer on May 09, 2014, 07:05:49 pm
I still believe Marc is pulling a Joaquin Phoenix.  :nesquik:

Anyway, it's pretty clear that neither side will change their minds. Marc is not converting anyone and people aren't gonna convince him to become "the old Marc" again. Like Cara said, we should let this thread die already.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on May 09, 2014, 08:25:15 pm
K..

You should never disqualify someone for believing something, no matter how stupid you think it is or no matter how unfounded their believes are in your opinion. While I agree that logic and reason are the way to go, it still doesn't give you a free pass to judge people to shit. Also, that same logic and reason should have you realize and accept the fact that there are billions of people who believe things that YOU think are bullshit.

Marc posting something this incredibly troll is up to him. Now it's us up to us to ignore it to death which is clearly the best thing to do. That or troll it to death. Plus, Marc needs no saving. He is a grown up man and he decides to believe whatever he wants.



What do you mean by 'disqualify'? I don't think I'm disqualifying him for what he believes. He just has never, ever provided any evidence. Even more ridiculous is the fact that he has never said anything that is even applicable to life. I'm sorry, but if someone says they care about evidence, and then proceeds to never show any evidence at all for anything they are saying, they are a fucking moron.

I can provide plenty of evidence that Marc is a retard, most of that evidence is contained in this topic.

Why is it that it's 'up to Marc' to post something that he wants, but then when it comes to our responses it's either ignore it or troll back? Doesn't seem fair to me.

Just to clarify, I'm not judging Marc. When I say he is an idiot, loser, moron etc it's because I actually have evidence for it and provide it to you. They aren't just judgements plucked out of thin air. The judgements aren't because of what he believes either. If someone says they think Maths is the Truth, and then proceeds to say that 1 + 1 = 3. They are mentally handicapped. This isn't a matter of faith, it's a matter of Marc being too stupid to understand complex concepts.

Science isn't something everyone can do. You need a certain level of intelligence to grasp it. Even the philosophy of science itself isn't able to be grasped by people. A lot of people think they are doing science, but because they just don't have the brain capacity they do something completely difference. IT doesn't matter how many times Marc says he believes in evidence, what he is actually doing is so far from presenting evidence that it boggles my mind.

I do understand there are many people out there with no education. That doesn't change the truth about the importantance of backing up your statements with evidence though.

BTW it's obvious Marc can't be saved and it's a no-win when people get into his position. Everyone who disagrees is just doing so because it's prophosized in the book or something. Marc doesn't use any reasoning at all to say why calling out his bullshit is wrong. For example, he says "people will call me out because I'm so spiritual', instead of actually looking at the content. He thinks he cares about the truth but because he is too uneducated to come anywhere close.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on May 09, 2014, 08:33:47 pm
Also, Marc says he cares about the universal truth. But the truth is that most things in the universe humans cannot experience. For example the wavelengths of light that we can actually see is only a small portion. So he do we know about the other wavelengths? Through experimentation and technology. Most of the shit of the universe is it impossible to know or understand as a human. We rely almost completely on the power of technology and the data that is captures to understand the nature of the universe.

BTW, quoting Einstein doesn't mean you understand his equations. I bet you $100000 Marc knows absolutely FUCK ALL about general relativity. Even basic foundational physics I would say is way out of the grasp of Marc. Marc seems to refuse to do anything actual research. Please Marc tell us a SINGLE thing you've actually researched.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Thiradell on May 09, 2014, 11:03:38 pm
Yeah, the book doesn't have any hard evidence, it makes presumptions based on theories that are argued over, and makes some pretty audacious claims based on presumptions. Further and further away from hard evidence. A high schooler could've written the book; if you go on YouTube and search debates you'll find men who did school for 3700 years to get 532 doctorate degrees, and they'll admit they're wrong or unsure of things because they're smart enough to realize it. You too have realized that reality and perception are two very different things, and yet you seem to think that your perception (based on very limited, temporal experience) gives you some idea what reality actually is, beyond the grob of humankind stuck in their ways. You haven't transcended humanity, and you never will. It can't be done. I agree that reality is reality and truth is truth, and I think you're about as far away from both as you could ever be.

Jesus is the Son of God, comparing him to this is stupidity. The things he said, however they were received at the time, impacted history because of the things he did. What do I believe in? What do I have faith in? How is it upside down? How do you know any of this? Jesus cannot be puzzle pieces toward the truth, he either is the truth or he isn't. He claimed it all for himself, so either he's right or he's wrong.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on May 10, 2014, 04:31:57 am
"Oh boy they never lied to me when they said spiritual beings being around mankind is like mankind being around cavemen."

LOL

Who said this (who is they)

What is a "spiritual being"

You're not an angel, stop pretending like you're not a man. You haven't evolved into anything

If you actually believe in this, parading your hoity-toity nonsense as if the none of the rest of us could understand it is a bit pointless, wouldn't you say? Isn't the point to convert others to your faith? Isn't that what the Present tries to do?

The oh boy thing is a quote from the book (can these cavemen even read?) I told you to read the book, if you had read the book you would have had the knowledge that I have now, to know that it was a quote from the book.

The "they" hmm.. I don't know what the author was referring to there but probably some of his spiritual friends, or possibly one of the ascended masters, or prophets.

The point of preaching this to others isn't nessesarily to convert others, it's for our own salvation, if you wanna be saved too then one of the most important thing is to go preaching this to others, to spread the truth, this way you learn more about the truth yourself. How do I know this? Again unlike you I've actually read the book, if you had read the book you would know that it specifically says that you need to spread the word, it doesn't really matter if anyone understands it or not, the most important thing is you spread it.

on page 58 of the Present:

"The goal: To transform ourselves into spiritual beings and then to create a heaven on earth. Living with just positives is the goal of all life. It will all start with the truth of life being defined and spread. Everything else will happen as a result, so start spreading the truth now."

So yea this should be the focus now.

also on page 89 of the Present:

"If you want to evolve past the animal realm, to a realm where there is no fear, pain or death, you have to learn and spread the truth of life. You have to live as a spiritual being. If you live like an animal, you will continue to be one.

Summing it up: Heaven is a real place. It is the place the highest forms of life live; it is the top of the evolutionary ladder. You get there by learning the ultimate truth and living in true life now. Hell is a real place. It is where the lowest life forms live, the bottom of the evolutionary ladder. You get there by learning the truth and not trying to live in true life. It is up to you; you have the ball (the truth)."

so yea
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: AEB on May 10, 2014, 05:02:18 am
What you could just as well be saying:

Quote
The oh boy thing is a quote from the book (can these muggles even read?) I told you to read the book, if you had read the book you would have had the knowledge that I have now, to know that it was a quote from the book.

The "they" hmm.. I don't know what the author was referring to there but probably some of his wizard friends, or possibly one of the aurors, or potions masters.

The point of the Hogwarts letters isn't nessesarily to convert others, it's for our own magical purpose, if you wanna be able to do some spells too then one of the most important thing is to go to Hogwarts, to spread the knowledge of magic, this way you learn more about magic yourself. How do I know this? Again unlike you I've actually studied with Dumbledore, if you had too you would know that he specifically says that you need to spread the magic word, it doesn't really matter if anyone understands it or not, the most important thing is you spread it.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on May 10, 2014, 05:37:17 am
Stumbled across this recent article: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140508163644.htm

Even more hard evidence for the collective unconscious. It brings such a joy how some of these new scientific discoveries backs up what is said in The Present. The Present is many years ahead of it's time and science with the proper combination of spirituality/religion gradually proves and reveals it, slowly catching up with it.


This topic has been a complete success. Positive/negative attention are both good as people will hear about the truth contest either way. The veil is being lifted until everything gets lined up. See you next time with my yearly post :nesquik:






I have much more to say to you, but you are not able to grasp it now. When the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into the whole truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you what is to come. John 16:12-13






Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on May 10, 2014, 06:00:27 am
Did you even read that article Marc? WTF bro seriously, the article was about how AM frequency waves disrupt orientation in migratory birds. Did you seriously just link that article and say that it has something to do with the collective unconscious?

More evidence that Marc is a retard.

Saying that you have things to say but we can't understand? A transparent attempt at dodging the issue because you're an uneducated moron.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on May 10, 2014, 06:02:07 am
Marc is going to be that crazy homeless dude shouting religious nonsense about the world ending in the streets before he is 40 years old.

This is if he doesn't take part in a mass cult suicide before then.

I really hope someone closer to you in Denmark gets you the help you need.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on May 10, 2014, 06:02:30 am
I should probably leave this topic. Marc's stupidity is making me mad.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on May 10, 2014, 07:16:56 am
For the first time, a research team led by Prof. Dr. Henrik Mouritsen, a biologist and Lichtenberg Professor at the University of Oldenburg, has been able to prove that the magnetic compass of robins fails entirely when the birds are exposed to AM radio waveband electromagnetic interference.

 Below a certain threshold value, 'electrosmog' -- human-made electromagnetic noise -- has no impact on biological processes or even human health. That was the state of scientific knowledge up to now. But for the first time, a research team led by Prof. Dr. Henrik Mouritsen, a biologist and Lichtenberg Professor at the University of Oldenburg, has been able to prove that the magnetic compass of robins fails entirely when the birds are exposed to AM radio waveband electromagnetic interference -- even if the signals are just a thousandth of the limit value defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) as harmless.

The findings based on seven years of research by nine Oldenburg scientists, in cooperation with Prof. Dr. Peter J. Hore of Oxford University, are now available in a paper entitled "Anthropogenic electromagnetic noise disrupts magnetic compass orientation in a migratory bird," published in the latest issue of the journal Nature. Nature underlines the importance of this study by making it the cover story of its May 15th issue.

"In our experiments we were able to document a clear and reproducible effect of human-made electromagnetic fields on a vertebrate. This interference does not stem from power lines or mobile phone networks," Mouritsen stresses, explaining that electromagnetic interference within the two kilohertz to five megahertz frequency range is mainly generated by electronic devices. "The effects of these weak electromagnetic fields are remarkable: they disrupt the functioning of an entire sensory system in a healthy higher vertebrate."

It all started with a stroke of luck. For around 50 years it has been known that migratory birds use Earth's magnetic field to determine their migratory direction. Biologists have proven this in numerous experiments in which they tested the birds' navigation abilities in so-called orientation cages. "So we were surprised when robins kept in wooden huts on the Oldenburg University campus were unable to use their magnetic compass," Mouritsen recounts. Dr. Nils-Lasse Schneider, an electrophysiologist and researcher in Mouritsen's work group, then came up with the idea that set things in motion: he proposed covering the wooden huts, along with the orientation cages they contained, with sheets of aluminium.

This did not affect Earth's magnetic field, which is vital for the birds to navigate, but it strongly attenuated the time-dependent electromagnetic interference -- the electrosmog -- inside the huts. The effect was astounding: suddenly the birds' orientation problems disappeared. "Our measurements of the interferences indicated that we had accidentally discovered a biological system that is sensitive to anthropogenic electromagnetic noise generated by humans in the frequency range up to five megahertz," Mouritsen says. The surprising thing here, the biologist adds, was that the intensity of the interference was far below the limits defined by the International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection and the WHO.

Considering the potential importance of the finding, Mouritsen and his team performed a large number of experiments to provide evidence of the effect they observed: "Over the course of seven years we carried out numerous experiments and collected reliable evidence, in order to be absolutely certain that the effect actually exists." Under the leadership of Svenja Engels, Mourtisen's doctorate students conducted numerous so-called double-blind studies. Several generations of students repeated the experiments independently of one another on the Oldenburg campus. What they found was that as soon the grounding of the screens was disconnected or electromagnetic broadband interference was deliberately created inside the aluminium-clad and earthed wooden huts, the birds' magnetic orientation ability was immediately lost again.

Furthermore, the scientists were able to show that the disruptive effects were generated by electromagnetic fields that cover a much broader frequency range at a much lower intensity than previous studies had suggested. This electromagnetic broadband interference is omnipresent in urban environments. It is created wherever people use electronic devices. As expected, it is significantly weaker in rural areas. And indeed, unlike on the University campus, the magnetic compass of the robin did function in orientation cages placed one to two kilometres outside city limits, even without any screening. "Thus, the effect of anthropogenic electromagnetic noise on bird migration is localised. However these findings should make us think -- both about the survival of migratory birds as well as about the potential effects for human beings, which have yet to be investigated," Mouritsen concludes.

THIS ALL CLEARLY PROVES THE TRUTH OMG HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE IT?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Thiradell on May 10, 2014, 08:16:33 am
"Summing it up: Heaven is a real place. It is the place the highest forms of life live; it is the top of the evolutionary ladder. You get there by learning the ultimate truth and living in true life now. Hell is a real place. It is where the lowest life forms live, the bottom of the evolutionary ladder. You get there by learning the truth and not trying to live in true life. It is up to you; you have the ball (the truth)."

Do you really believe this because one person said so, on a website? "A bunch of people agree with me" isn't supportive either
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on May 10, 2014, 08:28:08 am
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on May 10, 2014, 08:32:36 am
Stumbled across this recent article: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140508163644.htm

Even more hard evidence for the collective unconscious. It brings such a joy how some of these new scientific discoveries backs up what is said in The Present. The Present is many years ahead of it's time and science with the proper combination of spirituality/religion gradually proves and reveals it, slowly catching up with it.


This topic has been a complete success. Positive/negative attention are both good as people will hear about the truth contest either way. The veil is being lifted until everything gets lined up. See you next time with my yearly post :nesquik:






I have much more to say to you, but you are not able to grasp it now. When the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into the whole truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you what is to come. John 16:12-13








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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: ManceGaydar on May 10, 2014, 09:34:28 am
Seriously, why the fuck has no one got Marc sectioned yet?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: OHMSS on May 10, 2014, 09:35:10 am
Marc is going to be that crazy homeless dude shouting religious nonsense about the world ending in the streets before he is 40 years old.

This sums up my feelings perfectly. It is no surprise that the ones in support of this truth crap are uneducated school dropouts vegetating as unemployed hermits.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Adam Miller on May 10, 2014, 11:54:15 am
The only ultimate truth is that everyone likes cake.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Lark on May 10, 2014, 12:34:02 pm
Marc has brought up some good points. Life is simply a test to determine your spiritual status in heaven. If you guys had actually read Marc's posts instead of belittling him, you would have known that.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: typosaur on May 10, 2014, 04:00:14 pm
In the Golden Age of GE speedrunning, how come the truth topic gets more attention than the GE board?  :-\

Had a look at "The Present" and honestly I don't know what to make of it. The book reads like the biggest troll writing in the history of the Internet.

I found this particularly amazing: The front page claims "Entries are evaluated using the evidence, critical reason, logic, common sense, and scientific methods", then after 26 pages of ambiguous nonsense you find a paragraph that says "It is better to read this book over and over than to read other books that are not as accurate and complete. Reading other books just sidetracks people from the best path."

Imagine this being printed in a proper scientific work, "It is better to read this paper over and over than to study works by others that are not as accurate and complete." Must be the most effective way of destroying your scientific credibility. ;D
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Carathorn on May 10, 2014, 04:28:32 pm
Marc is going to be that crazy homeless dude shouting religious nonsense about the world ending in the streets before he is 40 years old.

This sums up my feelings perfectly. It is no surprise that the ones in support of this truth crap are uneducated school dropouts vegetating as unemployed hermits.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on May 10, 2014, 06:21:13 pm
Typosaur just exposed the whole thing in a couple sentenses, the book tells you to look for evidence yourself but it tells you to not look elsewhere, the cognitive dissonance that the book so dearly speaks off is contained within the work itself.

This creates a trauma in a weak sensitive mind and distorts truth and totally shuts down logical thinking and reason, the traumatized mind now shatters and can't think for itself anymore and is in the hands of whoever puppetmaster that took control of it at the time it shattered.

It pains me to slay the truth but it needs to be slayed because the truth has fallen into the hands of the wicked one, truth along with love might be one of the most misused, abused words there is, they have totally lost meaning for me.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Adam Miller on May 11, 2014, 04:25:27 am
It pains me to slay the truth but it needs to be slayed because the truth has fallen into the hands of the wicked one

The wicked one? Marc?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on May 11, 2014, 05:04:14 am
From the very first page...

"Evolution is no longer just a theory; it has been proven true beyond a reasonable doubt. The problem is, even people who accept evolution is true disassociate themselves from the process. They somehow skipped all the lower forms of animal life and just started out at the top of the evolutionary ladder."

The fact that the term 'evolutionary ladder' is used shows that the author has no idea about what evolution actually is. There is no 'ladder'. Evolution is the process of random mutations. Every animal on this planet is as evolved as any other. Evolution has no 'goal' that it is heading towards. The author has no clue.

Things confirmed the author has no clue about:

1. Foundational physics
2. Foundational biology
3. The Beatles
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Wody on May 11, 2014, 11:21:53 am
In the Golden Age of GE speedrunning, how come the truth topic gets more attention than the GE board?  :-\

Had a look at "The Present" and honestly I don't know what to make of it. The book reads like the biggest troll writing in the history of the Internet.

I found this particularly amazing: The front page claims "Entries are evaluated using the evidence, critical reason, logic, common sense, and scientific methods", then after 26 pages of ambiguous nonsense you find a paragraph that says "It is better to read this book over and over than to read other books that are not as accurate and complete. Reading other books just sidetracks people from the best path."

Imagine this being printed in a proper scientific work, "It is better to read this paper over and over than to study works by others that are not as accurate and complete." Must be the most effective way of destroying your scientific credibility. ;D


lol casually stops by and pwns the truth :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on May 14, 2014, 10:35:41 am
hmm come to think of it there's a vid I saw on youtube a few years ago, sheds new light onto the ultimate truth concepts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5IkCzvioTc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5IkCzvioTc)

very important vid to watch, darwin/truth/spirituality related
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: speedruntrainer on May 15, 2014, 05:38:42 pm
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Smit on May 16, 2014, 01:39:49 am
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on June 08, 2014, 01:04:56 pm


"I'll tell you one thing for sure - once you get to the point where you actually do things for truths sake, then nobody can touch you again, because you are harmonizing with a higher power. And the farther into the spiritual life i go, the easier it is to see that The Beatles aren't really controlling any of it, but that something else has taken us firmly in hand." - George Harrison



“If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery--isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flame with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is.” - Charles Bukowski

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The truth, no matter the amount of opposition, shall prevail.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: AZ on June 08, 2014, 01:13:12 pm
The Fountainhead - good film :)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: the Blueline Goddess on June 08, 2014, 11:11:55 pm
Kinda curious how much money Marc has given the TruthCOntest.jizz people over the years.  He's going to be like those idiots that get scammed by Nigerian princes and whatnot.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: flukey lukey on June 09, 2014, 12:05:18 am
terrible Harrison quote, good Bukowski quote
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on June 09, 2014, 03:56:37 am
“If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery--isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flame with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is.” - Charles Bukowski

Sounds like my hunt for a girlfriend for 6-7 years and when I finally found her.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on July 09, 2014, 10:53:21 am
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on July 10, 2014, 01:23:22 am
Do you even know who Charles Manson is?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on July 10, 2014, 07:37:52 am
Yeah, things just went from weird to creepy to disturbing.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on July 10, 2014, 09:45:54 pm
Someone delete the vid and ban this loser.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: sweetener on July 10, 2014, 10:53:09 pm
Someone delete the vid and ban this loser.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Smit on July 11, 2014, 12:31:09 pm
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on July 17, 2014, 06:43:19 pm
Jim Carrey speaks the truth:


The truth is inconvertible, malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is... Winston Churchill

the god damn pen is blue - Jim Carrey
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Spec on July 17, 2014, 09:20:10 pm
THE TRUTH, in my opinion:

Humans will mostly have misconceptions about the features of life. The popular frame of mind (mind that does not necessarily work properly for a so-called rational being's potential) it comes from is a selfish magic pill fairy tale.

They just don't care about actually enjoying the natural process of things.

For them, whatever happens in this little world of ours should be aimed towards THEIR OWN needs, NOT OTHERS'. The fancy car, huge mansion, all for them and to rub it in others' faces.(if all they have is a used, outdated car and a small apartment, they just lie about it and make it seem good with their words) And that's it. If you by any chance resonate with this mindset, I'm sorry for you, but you might consider re-thinking about your value systems.

Life shoudn't be about wanting everything, and all of it right away while shitting in other people's backyards. Life should be about living in the moment, enjoying every moment for what it is, not trying to instantly reach for some mainstream imposed objective.
Take care of yourself, but at the same time understand people, enjoy their companies. You don't need to resonate with everyone or to step on them just to feel superior.

Get rid of that instant gratification ego boosting mindset and make the most of the cards you're dealt one step at a time. No need to keep attempting dirty shortcuts, while making people (who you think you're friend with) miserable. All in all, drop the whole gossip magazine 1st page attitude and LIVE!

From personal experience, it's good to take one step at a time and respect others even if in your evil mind you think they're wrong about several things. Wanna get rid of that depressive neckbeard pseudo-superior mindset and actually laugh, have fun, and enjoy the most of life, follow my advice ;)

The ULTIMATE truth, REMIXED: (because it has religion)
Spoiler
Most men are fucking morons when it comes to sex. All they think, with their beta-male so called "brains" is that they want sex, because they want to stick their half-functioning dicks inside some "magic entity" (or poophole if you dig it) and feel the hormonal relief of shooting their loads.

Then they just don't care about the woman in front of them.

For them, the female partner has one and only function: to be hot, so they can brag to their beta male colleagues about how the "cum disposer" they just stick their partially hard weiners in looked like the one that appeared on the cover of an irrelevant gossip magazine (who only compulsive masturbator emptylifers who don't have access to porn read). (if the girl is a fatty or ugly as fuck they just lie about it, after all, it doesn't matter what meat you put your tiny sausage on, just what you tell your friends about) And that's it. Did it sound an extreme and fake example? Probably because you're one of those creepy wankers that think girls are like piggy banks for sperm, where you dispose of your dirty smelly gooey fluids and go back playing videogames with internet neckbeards.

Sex shouldn't be about pleasuring yourself and not caring about the other person (as long as s/he has above-average self image) and bragging about it. Sex should be something mutual, like a theater play, with all actors contributing to each, not one leeching off of the other just so he can feel good about being a failure and human waste, like high school bullies with small penises cheating from nerd kids.

Next time you're having sex or working your way towards it don't think like those depraved, mentally unhealthy excuses of human beings. Be sensitive about your partner's feels and needs. Don't even think about penetrating in a dry forest. Take your time, don't rush the foreplay, moist the field before planting your seed. When inside, don't cum in, like, 4 minutes like most douchebags. Hold it, let the babe feel good, make her go crazy on it, and at least do it again using your 2nd bullet (or imaginary bullet if your barrel empties out).

Last longer to try different positions and crazy fetishes. (don't forget you also have fingers and a tongue! if the wonder fairy is smelly, well, sometimes you gotta make some sacrifices, pretty much like PRing on Statue and Duel...) All in all, enjoy your company, whoever it is. S/he's not just a triple/double-holed banging toy, but a human being.

From personal experience, the best thing about sex is driving the girl nuts... pillow-biting nuts. Wanna clean the pipes? Just rub yourself, impregnate the drainpipe and move on. Want a good time with an attractive person (whatever your sexuality is), follow my advice ;)

Oh yeah, I don't take this thread seriously. No one should. It's a mix of a few good life principles and a TON of fucked up ones. Peace.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on July 17, 2014, 09:44:09 pm
Thanks for the thrilling read.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: BebopBandit on July 18, 2014, 05:10:11 am
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Wody on July 18, 2014, 10:06:14 am
loling
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on July 18, 2014, 03:57:01 pm
Only through the elimination of violence can we achieve world peace.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on July 18, 2014, 04:21:07 pm
Most men are fucking morons when it comes to sex. All they think, with their beta-male so called "brains" is that they want sex, because they want to stick their half-functioning dicks inside some "magic entity" (or poophole if you dig it) and feel the hormonal relief of shooting their loads.

Then they just don't care about the woman in front of them.

yea like 99% of men, I'm one of the good guys though ofcourse, the rest of you need to get a grip you fucking assholes  :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on July 19, 2014, 10:12:05 am
I will discover.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on July 19, 2014, 12:08:17 pm
Someone delete the vid and ban this loser.

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on July 19, 2014, 02:07:40 pm
Profound Manson!

Lockwood reppin' old-school Clemens "Raiders Of The Lost Ark" avatar!  :D
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Spec on July 29, 2014, 11:30:42 pm
A challenge for the OP (26:48):


Listen to it until... idk, your disturbed version of reality starts getting wrecked in your mind.

Great listening by the way, for people who want success in whatever field or hobby it is.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on August 04, 2014, 12:23:01 pm
The top entries on www.truthcontest.com are the most updated, simple, complete, and accurate explanation of the truth of life.


Discuss.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Lark on August 04, 2014, 12:27:57 pm
Will there ever be a period in human history in which resources are plentiful and no one suffers? Is suffering just one of the trials and tribulations that we must endure in order to reach a higher level of human essence?

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on August 04, 2014, 01:38:18 pm
Will there ever be a point in human history in which resources are plentiful and no one suffers? Is suffering just one of the trials and tribulations that we must endure in order to reach a higher level of human essence?



"The person who desires to rise above all things must descend below all things, for the way to the heights passes through the depths of anguish, which generate the fires of Life." "Everyone who seeks should continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will be troubled at the contemplation of Truth, but when he has passed through the time of trouble, he will be astonished at the brightness of the Light" - Jesus. You can definitely not get around suffering to reach enlightenment, yes. It doesn't have to be that bad, you can be fulfilled while suffering, but there will be suffering. Just know that it is worth it, it is a small price to pay when you get everything back (eternity in heaven) heaven is just a metaphor for an environment in the infinite universe where lifeforms knows the truth and lives in bliss all the time. They have finished evolution, they are fully evolved. People in heaven still grows in the truth and the life, it will go on forever, but there is a certain threshold you must pass. When you pass it, you evolve past the animal realm and you never return. The moment where you will suffer most is actually the hours before you get enlightened, when the final locks in your mind gets opened. It is when you overcome the instinctual part of your mind (the last frontier that keeps you bound to the animal realm), it is very subtle and lies deep within your mind. It will hurt a lot, but it is still a very fulfilling experience, because you will know what is happening. It will hurt because it will feel like you are dying, the mind will completely lose control of you. You are dying to yourself and reborn to true life for the first time. You will experience the present moment even clearer than a dog or cat experiences it. They are naturally much closer than us, but can never get that last 1% in the bodies they are in, they cannot overcome the instinctual mind. Man i love cats and dogs so much. No mental bullshit being projected from them. They reflect the present to me and i reflect it right back. A dog shows hot love, a cat shows cool love. Dogs are unconditional love, cats are very cool, independant, self-contained. Spiritual beings have qualities from both. Dog is God backwards. Nothing is a coincidence in life. If you really start to look for the signs, you will see them everywhere.


I don't know the future, Lark. All you can be certain of is that it will be balanced like it always has been and that everyone will eventually learn the truth at some point in eternity. Your question depends on if mankind will learn the truth in time. It can go both ways for mankind. It can be as good as it can get or as bad as it can get. It is as certain as the sun rises and sets. Mankind will go extinct no matter what in the near future, it can go two ways. Either mankind will destroy itself (we have become very dangerous to ourselves, a fact everyone can check for themselves) and evolution will just start over again. Or we will evolve into a new lifeform. Either way, mankind will go extinct. Humans (homo sapiens) evolved into a new lifeform about 10.000 years ago and became mankind (mindkind) Language made us able to hook up on a new level of the collective unconscious thus allowed our evolution to accelerate in an exponential, geometric progression. It is no big deal to evolve into a new lifeform again, we have done it many times in the past. What makes this time around special is that it is the final step in evolution and it is where most fall. The only revolution now is a revolution in our own minds. Mankind is the only animal that can evolve non-biologically, we can give birth to ourselves, become the son of our own mind. A specie evolves when it is about to face extinction, it will have no other choice. It will probably happen again. Mankind will only choose to evolve when it is about to face extinction, it will require a life or death situation. It is the nature of animals. Times could get really dark and ugly before it gets really good. We are at a very critical point in our evolution now, serious things will happen in the near future. That said, it doesn't matter to a spiritual being where mankind will go. If you know the truth, nothing can hurt you.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on August 04, 2014, 01:45:21 pm
Btw, some other topic seems to have been deleted. I exposed Goose (and Karl too iirc) so badly that it got removed. I know they fear me because of what i am aware of. Their animal self cannot handle it. They subconsciously know that the truth cannot be stopped, it cannot be avoided for long. They give me a bunch of negativity, so i slam it right back, mixed in with the harsh truth about themselves. I will repeat again: I'm like life itself, i'm a mirror. I teach you that you get what you give. If you sow the truth and the life, that is what you are going to get, the truth and the life.


I save all my writings. I will send people a personal message what i wrote about Goose and Karl. I always level the playing field.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Lark on August 04, 2014, 01:49:47 pm
It wasn't deleted, it was moved to Abandon Ship.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: AZ on August 04, 2014, 02:02:59 pm
The "What is the most degenerate UWR in GE history"-thread and all its posts seems to have been deleted though.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on August 04, 2014, 02:10:00 pm
Thank you, Lark. I noticed you never give me any shit either. You are very cool and self-contained. I can't see the topic, so i guess i was banned from it. That is ok though. I might get banned completely from these boards in the near future. I am evolving at a very accelerating pace recently, so I do not know if people will be able to handle it, which is ok. Everyone is evolving at their own pace. As i have said, life is perfect as it is, i just watch it's perfection unfold. The dose of truth i am going to drop in the near future is going to be very heavy.

That is how it works. Once you really start to seek the truth, you will evolve at a very slow pace for some time and there will be false starts. Suddenly it will accelerate a lot more. When i see my writings from months ago or even a few weeks ago, i see how i know much more now, and it is only going to accelerate more. I even evolve from minute to minute. I am fucking relentless, can't be stopped. I could edit my posts all day if i wanted to, because of the pace i am evolving at.


EDIT: Thank you for clearing that up, AZ.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on August 04, 2014, 04:50:29 pm
Marc

- lives off Denmark's disability pay
- has 0 friends
- washes his dishes roughly once monthly
- is 22 years old
- has never had a job

I EXPOSED U LOL
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Lark on August 04, 2014, 05:00:16 pm
These flame wars solve nothing. Everyone chill out.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on August 04, 2014, 05:40:32 pm
- It's not called disability pay, you are not even close. I am using society for my own advantage, i abuse it. I treat society like shit, because it treats me like shit. It gets what it gives. I know it is something you wish you could do. Do not think i don't know, i know.

- Has a few friends, very trustable, people that are good to be around for your spiritual growth. I know exactly who to cut off, how, where and when. I have a wonderful gf who supports my work. A very rare kind of girl that you wont be able to connect with in this lifetime. That said, i don't need anyone. I cut anyone off that are not helpful in my growth. I am independant. I rely only on myself.

- No.

- I'm 21.

- Correct. Jobs don't help me for my spiritual growth. They cannot help me being fulfilled, i don't need them. Again, i abuse society, for my own advantage. I work for nobody. I am completely my own boss. I love to see people's facial expressions when they realize they cannot control me anymore, they cannot tell me what to do. Full of fear. Very miserable people, like you.



You did not expose anything. You are telling a lot of bullshit repeatively, because you don't know what else to say. You are very insecure and scared. You are very desperate and weak. You reveal more about yourself for every post you make. I have nothing to hide. Goose has a lot to hide. Busy to create an image around yourself instead of doing something really fundemental for your own growth in your evolution. Goose is sowing a lot of bullshit and negativity, so that is what he is/will be reaping. You get and deserve what is coming to you, an unfulfilling and miserable life, until you stop being stubborn and start paying attention to life. I see you clear as crystal. You have good parts, but you are also a very ugly person. A true perversion of life. A freak of nature.

 

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Wouter Jansen on August 04, 2014, 05:50:13 pm
<3
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on August 04, 2014, 05:50:40 pm
Lark, if you have read my other posts, you will know why i make these posts. Everything i do is indirectly for myself. Remember, i just work as life itself, i am like a mirror. I will give you what you give me. I will teach you until you learn, just like life does all the time. What goes around, comes around. When people project their stored up mind BS negativity on me, i slam it right back to them, mixed in with the harsh truth about themselves. I am a good tennis player. I just create balance, (2 = 0) i cancel it out. I give them the truth the hard way. I can never give negativity first anymore, it is impossible, my mind simply doesn't allow me to. I don't like giving back negativity and tell the harsh truth about them, but they give me no choice. That said, i enjoy it, like i enjoy everything else. Nothing throws me off my center. Nothing can bother me anymore. It bothers Goose, because he has not evolved past that part of his mind yet. That is his own fault, not really my problem. He just needs to stop being stubborn and pay attention to life.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on August 04, 2014, 06:49:29 pm
- It's not called disability pay, you are not even close. I am using society for my own advantage, i abuse it. I treat society like shit, because it treats me like shit. It gets what it gives. I know it is something you wish you could do. Do not think i don't know, i know.

I look forward to reading your manifesto published in Hustler when the New York Times doesn't wish to publish it as you request.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Spec on August 04, 2014, 07:45:37 pm
I'm feeling truthful today  :v :rollin: :nesquik:

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- It's not called disability pay, you are not even close. I am using society for my own advantage, i abuse it. I treat society like shit, because it treats me like shit. It gets what it gives. I know it is something you wish you could do. Do not think i don't know, i know.
Dude I felt the same way when I was hanging out, being nice to a girl and still she wouldn't makeout with me 3 years ago...

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- Has a few friends, very trustable, people that are good to be around for your spiritual growth. I know exactly who to cut off, how, where and when. I have a wonderful gf who supports my work. A very rare kind of girl that you wont be able to connect with in this lifetime. That said, i don't need anyone. I cut anyone off that are not helpful in my growth. I am independant. I rely only on myself.
That doesn't even make sense. (except for the part "I have a girlfriend", cause you're just stating a fact)

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- Correct. Jobs don't help me for my spiritual growth. They cannot help me being fulfilled, i don't need them. Again, i abuse society, for my own advantage. I work for nobody. I am completely my own boss. I love to see people's facial expressions when they realize they cannot control me anymore, they cannot tell me what to do. Full of fear. Very miserable people, like you.
Good luck giving nothing the world, and expecting something back. (don't even throw that spiritual bullshit at me, because you need food, electricity and water, and you're not "growing" those on your own)
You're not exploiting anything or anyone. You're just mental-masturbating-convincing yourself that the reality made up from your disturbed dellusional beliefs actually works. It doesn't. Your little truth playground doesn't even have the proper foundations to explain why. You're just an arrogant spoiled infant that didn't get over the facts that stronger kids stole your lollipop when you were a kid. You belong to a mental clinic.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on August 05, 2014, 04:12:47 am
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Carathorn on August 05, 2014, 05:24:20 am
#ISeeYou2014

- It's not called disability pay, you are not even close. I am using society for my own advantage, i abuse it. I treat society like shit, because it treats me like shit. It gets what it gives. I know it is something you wish you could do. Do not think i don't know, i know.

You are not using society, you are abusing it. If the Government never decided to start giving you disability pay (which it is, stop denying it) you probably would have gotten yourself a job and you wouldn't have fallen off the grid. It's a shame that good social policies are being abused by morons like you. You say you know this, and you don't care. That actually makes you a worse person for not acting accordingly. These are real people that are working and bringing in the money for your lazy ass and you don't even do the dishes. You are a completely useless person this way. You live off other persons money, you use up living space that nice and hard working people could live in. 

Just realize how much of a degenerate you are. It's 100% degeneracy. You ARE degeneracy.

- Has a few friends, very trustable, people that are good to be around for your spiritual growth. I know exactly who to cut off, how, where and when. I have a wonderful gf who supports my work. A very rare kind of girl that you wont be able to connect with in this lifetime. That said, i don't need anyone. I cut anyone off that are not helpful in my growth. I am independant. I rely only on myself.

Basically you confirmed here that all of your friends are actually people you know through the internet and are in the same cult. You can tell by the reactions you get from the people here (you're mentally ill) that a true friend would have said the same thing to you. You have a gf that supports your work? Then here is the reason behind all. You are an immense degenerate and you finally found a girl and SHE got you into the truth cult and you would do anything to keep her as it's the first person who actually cares for you. You are VERY scared of losing her and your whole "I dont care" attitude is the mask you hide it behind. Well done but very easy to see through actually.

I work for nobody. I am completely my own boss. I love to see people's facial expressions when they realize they cannot control me anymore, they cannot tell me what to do. Full of fear. Very miserable people, like you.

You are not your own boss, you are scared and unemployed. You are completely dependent on government money and it's the only thing that will hold you from being a homeless guy yelling random shit on the street whilst drinking yourself to your death, being laughed at by everyone, hoping for someone to give you soup so you will live through the night. Just keep that picture in mind and realize how close you are to this.

I have nothing to hide. Goose has a lot to hide. Busy to create an image around yourself instead of doing something really fundemental for your own growth in your evolution. Goose is sowing a lot of bullshit and negativity, so that is what he is/will be reaping. You get and deserve what is coming to you, an unfulfilling and miserable life, until you stop being stubborn and start paying attention to life. I see you clear as crystal. You have good parts, but you are also a very ugly person. A true perversion of life. A freak of nature.

We all know that away from keyboard, Goose is loved by his family and friends and lives a nice life enjoying the beautiful things of this world. He is a talented and handsome man with a deep and manly voice, he will go back to school soon and meanwhile he does the things he loves (playing games) and makes money off it too. Money that he can spend being with his friends, enjoying life. #thedream IMO, and you are very jealous and angry at people who succeed in being happy. Something you failed to achieve for too long which drove you to this sick cult you are in right now.

YOU are the true freak of nature here. You are mentally distorted, you live unhealthy, you have a lack of social attention and are insanely easy to see through as a result. I can totally understand why you are so angry with everyone being the degenerate that you are but you have to start repairing yourself and seek mental help. RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

It's not too late Marc. But it's time for you to acknowledge that I see you clear as a crystal and this was an honest attempt to help you.

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: ManceGaydar on August 05, 2014, 06:23:04 am
^ More truth in that post than the rest of the thread put together.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on August 05, 2014, 06:54:46 am
Cara saw through Marc's soul.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Smit on August 05, 2014, 07:15:29 am
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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on August 05, 2014, 07:58:52 am
Good luck giving nothing the world, and expecting something back. (don't even throw that spiritual bullshit at me, because you need food, electricity and water, and you're not "growing" those on your own)
You're not exploiting anything or anyone. You're just mental-masturbating-convincing yourself that the reality made up from your disturbed dellusional beliefs actually works. It doesn't. Your little truth playground doesn't even have the proper foundations to explain why. You're just an arrogant spoiled infant that didn't get over the facts that stronger kids stole your lollipop when you were a kid. You belong to a mental clinic.


LMFAO who is this Spec guy. What a fucking circus clown LOL. And WHAT THE FUCK is that avatar, is that you? It fits you, looking very stupid and unevolved. Notice how Spec gave me a lot of negativity. I'm going to repeat this a lot, because repeation is necessary for people to start getting it, but it can take a very long time for some people to get it: I never give anyone negativity first, it is basically IMPOSSIBLE. My mind doesn't allow me to do it anymore. When someone gives me their mental BS, i slam it right back to them on purpose. I do not have any mental luggage, but i'm a spiritual being, i can radiate anything i am. I put on an act to teach them what they are doing and it doesn't throw me off my center. It bothers them, that is not my problem. The fact that i am forced to give back negativity a lot tells where people in this forum are at, because remember: I never give any negativity first. I return the negativity simply to create balance (2 = 0) and to make a simple point: you get what you give, you reap what you sow. A fundamental, unbreakable law of the universe, like Newton's laws of motion. I work as life itself, i'm a mirror, i give you what you give me, i create balance. There is a reason and good intention behind EVERYTHING i do, pay attention. You can ignore it, but that is how it's always going to work. And in doing it, i mix it in with the harsh truth about yourself. Give me objectivity or positivity and i give you the truth the easy way, give me negativity and i give you the truth the hard way, very simple. There is also a lot of misinformation on the internet, so i write about the truth that can be checked anywhere i can to create balance, to cancel out the misinformation.


Spec, i give a million times more than you or anyone else around here, and that is why i also recieve a million times more. I am constantly aware of the law: You reap what you sow. I will give more today than you have given in your whole life. You haven't been following along LOL. You need to pay more attention. Do your research, then come back to me. Get out of my fucking face. You are very miserable, i know, because your writings shows it, it reveals it. I'm a relentless discerning eye. I saw one of your earlier posts "The truth in my opinion" LOL. The truth is not an opinion. Fuck your opinion (and mine, i put my opinions aside because they are useless and doesn't help me in my search for truth, i am able to do it because my ego is getting very weak) You have a very strong ego. Perception does not determine reality, because perceptions changes all the time, while the truth remains unchanged. It is the truth or it is not. There is no inbetween. Your perception can only align more or less with reality. The universal truth applies to everyone, everywhere, all the time. Everyone have their own unique experiences, but they are all inherent to reality. It is why we are all affected by the same gravity, we breathe the same oxygen etc. Everyone knows it on some level, but ignores it. 
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on August 05, 2014, 08:08:25 am
Notice Goose's posts. He avoided me. He doesn't know what to say, he doesn't know how to deal with me. I know EXACTLY how to deal with people like him and put them in their place. I don't want to hurt Goose, I have no bad intentions, i do not abuse people, i would never abuse the power that comes with being very aware. I teach them a lesson, for their own good. If i don't do it they will never get it. It is sad that i have to give back so much negativity, i don't want to, but i'm forced to do it. I always do the right thing, create balance.


Everything i do is indirectly to bring forth the spirit of truth on earth and create a heaven. I have no other purpose. I do it because i know it is the right thing. By helping people i am helping myself. I evolve further. I am very selfish, i actually only care about myself, that is why i evolve very fast. You could say that everything i do is indirectly for myself only, because it's true. And that is ultimately why i create a heaven on earth, it is for selfish reasons. In your ultimate selfishness, you have your ultimate selflessness. Life is a paradox.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on August 05, 2014, 08:18:43 am
(https://i.imgur.com/xVGis75.jpg)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Carathorn on August 05, 2014, 08:47:49 am
LOL

Marc you contradict yourself so much in your posts I am truly starting to pity you. How many drugs do you buy of the govmon in order to keep on believing your self?

Really if poop came out of your mouth it would have been a more beautiful sight.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on August 05, 2014, 08:52:15 am
Cara gives me a lot of negativity too. It is sad that i have to return it and cancel it out, but that is how it is, you get what you give. You think on a very mortal and physical level. You are attached to the physical realm and what happens in it. Your post reveals it, like when you are talking about homelessness. You do not know how to be independant (not the kind of independacy you were told to believe) LMFAO i loved your upset reaction in the beginning of the post, about me abusing society. LOL. That is fucking gold. Tough luck bro. I give society what it gives me. I abuse it to the fullest for my own spiritual growth. If some social policies are going to be changed, i can always get a job, i don't mind. I know exactly what to do, when and where. I take advantage of everything i can, to bring forth a heaven on earth.


You just revealed a BUNCH about yourself in that post, Cara. You are showing your cards to me. You say stuff like i am scared of losing my gf. There you have it. You just revealed that you have feelings of being scared of losing your gf. You talked about lacking of social attention. You just revealed that you depend on social attention, you need attention from other people. I do not need attention, i am fulfilled by God/Life's full attention. You reveal many of your weakness to me in one post. What you said is an reflection of your own dirty mind. Your mind is seeing itself, through itself. You are just seeing a reflection of yourself.


Notice how much opposition i get, because i am a truth seeker. It is no coincidence. People's animal self will get very angry and attack it. People subconsciously know that the truth cannot be avoided for long, they know it cannot be stopped, that is why they fear it when someone tells them it. It is the instinctual mind, it has been with you since you started evolving from bacteria on this planet (a fact you can check) It is very scary to get over. We needed it to progress, it is a powerful machine, but we now no longer need it, we need to lay down the burden. It is very subtle, yet very powerful, it lies deep within you. It is the lion Jesus talked about, that you must overcome.


I remember when Cara and Durk would belittle Wouter in Twitch chat. Wouter is very aware, he is more evolved than most. It is no coincidence that Cara gives him opposition too and tries to belittle him. You are a fucking coward, Cara. When someone tells you something that you do not understand at all, you have to hide, belittle them or try to act funny. You fear the unknown. You are fucking scared. Fucking pussy LOL. I know exactly how to deal with weak people like you as well. 

 
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on August 05, 2014, 09:05:44 am
The game plan has changed. If you show that you are not ready to get the truth at least on some level, i will ignore/block you. That way, they cannot give me any negativity and i do not have to create the balance and cancel it out. Goose, Karl, Cara and Spec is ignored now. They have shown that they are not ready to learn the truth, to do something about their miserable, unfulfilling lifes. They have shown that they are not ready to evolve past the animal realm. Going to ignore Mirror too. I like him a lot, but i see the intention behind his posts. Very negative. Do not think i do not know it, i know. Nothing gets by me. Mirror is very young and still have some innocence remaining, so i am not going to say anything to him. (Thanks for the JAP console <3)


I also do not want to tell people too much, if they are not ready. I can do you a disservice by doing so. You will eventually have to walk the path yourself and check things for yourself. I want you to reap the benfits i am reaping now from walking this hard path. My intentions are always pure. I am starting to be as fulfilled as cats and dogs are and it is only going to get better and better. It is fucking amazing. I wish everyone could see the perfection of life. They will one day, infinity is a long time. I'm trying to find a way to seek the truth in a more fun and easy way, so that people do not have to go through the same as i did. I do not know if there is an easier way, do not expect or rely me on finding it.


I am so fucking fearless and relentless, it feels awesome having passed through this threshold. Time goes a lot slower now, i'm beginning to see the world i saw as a child. I am not done yet. I have passed through the last threshold before the enlightement threshold. I am not enlightened yet. I have to be very careful. It is undescribely fulfilling when the conscious mind starts to shut down. I am currently where people like Manson and Hitler are now. I still need to retain enough of the conscious mind, to keep the instinctual mind in check, or it would just run loose. I would be a charataristic, fulfilled, dangerous animal. I'm not going to fall for the trap. I'm going all the way. It is tempting to put down all effort now and just go out and enjoy life, but i will keep sowing, keep opening up to life until i get past the instinctual mind (enlightement) Once you reach it, you never go back to the animal realm, you will have evolved past it. It could happen in a few months, or 20 years. I do not care. I am fucking relentless. I keep going, no matter the opposition, no matter how hopeless it seems. That is the mentality you need for this path. The truth is serious business.

I talk about myself sometimes. I show you an example of how a spiritual being is and the benefits you will reap once you start walking this path. Self-contained, pure confidence, very loving. I know exactly what to do, where to do it and how to do it. Noone can fuck around with me anymore LOL.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: DYM on August 05, 2014, 09:10:40 am
Honestly people should just stop belittling Marc just because he has a different set of beliefs. It's pretty absurd how extreme the boards have become over the past year.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on August 05, 2014, 09:22:26 am
Honestly people should just stop belittling Marc just because he has a different set of beliefs. It's pretty absurd how extreme the boards have become over the past year.

A different set of beliefs is one thing, a set of beliefs that is destructive is another (being a burden to society because it's been a burden to him?). He's even said he's posting with the express purpose of being banned. Further, would you not agree that not recognizing your own writing only a few hours later and thinking someone must have hacked your account is not a good sign of mental health?
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on August 05, 2014, 09:23:30 am
Just a "small" correction. It is not my set of beliefs, it is what i know. You only need faith in something you don't know or are not completely sure about. Thank you Ace. There is no negativity in your post. That goes a long way. You respect me, i respect you right back at you. You get what you give. love all your GE videos btw <3
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on August 05, 2014, 09:26:30 am
Just recieved a message from someone. Saying that Cara is a nobody and that he is very rude. He lost to QB by a large margin in the summer contest. He was very upset and left the elite for some days. LOL.


Shadow is a fucking idiot. I saw it right from the start. Ignored. Not ready to evolve past the animal realm. My goal is to eventually ignore EVERY SINGLE ONE. Even people like Wouter, Illu, Ace, Lockwood, Luke etc. The dose of truth i'm going to drop in the near future is going to be a lot heavier. I evolve at an insane accelerating pace after having passed this threshold. We will see who is going to drop out, we will see who is going to be able to handle it. 
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Darth Vader on August 05, 2014, 09:33:18 am
LMFAO. You cannot ignore people anymore? Not necessary anyway. I wont be reading the posts from the people i am ignoring.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Spec on August 05, 2014, 09:34:08 am
Dude, you're judging someone by his forum avatar. That's how much of a LOSER you are.
And yeah the "truth in my opinion" was because I don't know how to use sarcasm, Kappa.
Saying "I give a lot to the world" and thinking about it doesn't make you give a lot to the world. Repeating to yourself that you don't care does not make you not care. A duck on a tuxedo is still a duck. "Swag" is not something that you get from brainwashing yourself to sleep, it's a way of life, a proper mindset alligned with the proper actions.
Talk to me about repelling negativity when you stop cursing half your posts. Oh that "I can get a job whenever I want, I know what to do where to go lalala" was the most ridiculous bullshit you've typed so far. Kids also say that about the War after playing Call of Duty, and drug addicts claim that they can stop whenever they want.
(when you log in your alt you can see this post :* )
(I know you're barely literate so I'll explain: Swag was used as a metonymy, if you even know what it means)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on August 05, 2014, 10:02:43 am
Very negative. Do not think i do not know it, i know. Nothing gets by me.

Damn Marc is too good. I really thought I could slip the negativity by him.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on August 05, 2014, 10:28:41 am
Shadow is a fucking idiot. I saw it right from the start. Ignored. Not ready to evolve past the animal realm.

Oh dear, saw right through me. Can't get past the logic and profound rebuttal, I submit to the superior mind. :P
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: sweetener on August 05, 2014, 10:56:10 am
guys guys guys




shhhhhhhhhh  :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Jimbo on August 05, 2014, 11:13:43 am
This topis has turned into pure cancer and will be locked soon enough if this keeps up. Tone it down.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on August 05, 2014, 11:44:54 am
What is impure cancer
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: DYM on August 05, 2014, 12:18:12 pm
Shadow, Marc is mental. His posts reveal it and it is sad that he is replying to each and every single message here (but I know he is sitting on his computer most of the day like a misguided soul because when I stream on my alt at any time of the day, he joins within 2 minutes LOL). It shows that he is insecure about himself (he hid his online status from these forums for that very purpose, his rankings name, FB name, etc). He is showing to us indirectly that he is lost. It is sad that we have to create balance for him and return it, but that is how life is. He is still young so I can understand his ramblings and will not say anything to him. I don't want to tell him too much because he is not ready for reality. Neither should you, nor should anyone else here. He might never see the light because he has taken the wrong path but I still have hope. He is cooped up in his own little world and will eventually realize that he is lost when it is too late.

The truth is there. He is trying to look for it very hard but is unable to. He thinks he has found it but he has become victim to the wrong one, the devil. He has become a slave to it. If I was with Marc I would try to help him (take him to an asylum, provide medical assistance, take him to a psychiatrist, cook  healthy meals) because like us he is just a human. I would say nothing against him, like I do with most of my friends, but he throws his negativity on these forums (a rather irrelevant place in the world to spread his mission LOL) so we have to create balance. He says he only gives negativity because we throw it at him but this is wrong. He felt too insecure when I returned to GE and stole his thunder.

He is playing mind games on himself. However he knows he may even lose his mind when he is taking the (wrong) path to the truth. There is no need to rub it in his face. It is incessant, just like the pace at which he is evolving. He needs attention, and people are giving to him. He bumped this thread to create drama, not to guide you people, so don't fall for it. But regardless, the truth, no matter the amount of opposition, shall prevail. Nothing will stop it. The question is whether he can learn it within time. He is still young and I don't want to expose him nor demolish him. I'm relentless and I could destroy him completely but let us wait and see for life to expose itself in the future. The key is to ignore his ramblings and let life unfold itself.

This topic has become a success for both us and truth seekers. I will leave it at that. I'm laughing LOL. I made this post indirectly for myself. It will help me understand his situation better and hopefully I will be able to do something, but it is mostly his problem, not mine. Nothing bothers me. I am King.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Shadow on August 05, 2014, 12:52:21 pm
9/10
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Post by: Darth Vader on August 05, 2014, 01:19:57 pm
Insane how much negativity gets thrown at me. It shows exactly where people here is at, because i never give any negativity first, it is impossible. I don't mind the opposition though, opposition makes me evolve. It started from a very simple post of mine. I make the truth available, i just put it out there, so you know it's there whenever you are ready to man up and walk the path. You do not need to read it or reply to it, but you did. You projected your own mental luggage of negativity and bullshit on me. It tells me where you're at. I see your mind's intention clearly. It projects right unto your keyboard and into this screen. Even if you are not aware of it's intention, it's there. You do not like when the truth is exposed, it makes you uncomfortable. The nature of the animal. You are all a bunch of weak people LOL.

Good if this topic stays up. People can always come here and check the evidence for themselves. People always give me negativity first and i simply cancel it out to teach them a lesson. I am life itself, a mirror, you get what you give.


I shall return when i have passed the enlightement threshold. It could take a few months, or a lot of years, but i shall come. 
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: DYM on August 05, 2014, 01:42:38 pm
I feel fulfilled and satisfied with my life. I have many real-life friends, many friends on the Elite whom I would consider close to real-life friends, a loving family, great grades, many hobbies and I follow my own religion. I respect a lot of people and in return get a lot of respect from them too.

You have own set of beliefs which I respect. I'm not against The Present. But your attitude is disgusting. Look at your posts from 2013 and you will see why people throw negativity on you.  YOU do it first but you don't realise it. I see it. I see your intentions clearly. I don't care if you live off "disability pay", don't have a job, etc. because that's a personal thing. This is nothing to do with the truth. You just need to change your attitude in life (and stop using LOL, pussy, IM LAUGHING at your post LOLOL) everywhere. You're not special as well, so stop acting like it.

This is my last post from this topic and my last interaction with Marc. Your posts and beliefs really don't bother me at all. I hope life goes well for you. :)

On an unrelated note, the admins have still failed to implement the ignore feature from the list of recent posts.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Taylor on August 05, 2014, 01:44:21 pm
video games
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Thiradell on August 05, 2014, 02:32:24 pm
"My goal is to eventually ignore EVERY SINGLE ONE."

what? why? how does this help you?

"You say stuff like i am scared of losing my gf. There you have it. You just revealed that you have feelings of being scared of losing your gf. You talked about lacking of social attention. You just revealed that you depend on social attention, you need attention from other people."

Everyone is scared of losing their gf, everyone needs social attention, and there's nothing wrong with either one. You don't have to "defeat" anyone here man, or ignore anyone, or give negativity back on an equal scale like a mirror. All of us were bullied in some way when we were young, you bullying everyone now by pointing out human weaknesses (which everyone has) isn't going to accomplish anything.

You don't have to be stronger or more developed than any of us. Even if you are, what good is that, really? "Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted." -Jesus
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Icy on August 05, 2014, 02:43:51 pm
I just want to see some more Marc untieds. :v
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Post by: AEB on August 05, 2014, 06:47:45 pm
Agreed, Icy.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: SimThreat on August 05, 2014, 09:41:19 pm
This topis has turned into pure cancer and will be locked soon enough if this keeps up. Tone it down.

QUICK EVERYONE, TONE IT UP!
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: BebopBandit on August 06, 2014, 02:39:01 pm
By ignoring people, aren't you ceasing to be a "mirror?" And preventing people from "reaping what they sow?" Unless this "law" is just karma and all the mean people are going to get hit by a bus or something in the future.

Just seems weird to me how you go from "I'll expose everything you are, you can't hurt me, I'm a mirror, I can't throw negativity first, I'm rubber, you're glue" to "IGNORED!"
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Smit on August 06, 2014, 04:27:51 pm
I just want to see some more Marc untieds. :v
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Spiritual_Teacher on August 06, 2014, 05:07:14 pm
It came to my attention that you have awakened spiritually. However, you express to ignore and abuse others. That is fine, as long as you want a reflection of your actions back to you. Being "very loving" means not ignoring others and also not forcing others to view things the way you see them. If your friends don't want to understand truth it is their own choice. Life is about being free, free to choose where to go.

Have you been to the spiritual realm or talked to spirits since your awakening?

Being enlightened doesn't mean getting past the physical realm. It is simply knowing who you truly are and accepting it.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: WoodY loves BootY on August 06, 2014, 05:22:38 pm
It came to my attention that you have awakened spiritually. However, you express to ignore and abuse others. That is fine, as long as you want a reflection of your actions back to you. Being "very loving" means not ignoring others and also not forcing others to view things the way you see them. If your friends don't want to understand truth it is their own choice. Life is about being free, free to choose where to go.

Have you been to the spiritual realm or talked to spirits since your awakening?

Being enlightened doesn't mean getting past the physical realm. It is simply knowing who you truly are and accepting it.

Rather interesting observation. It's noticeable that those kind of actions transcend a paradigm that is related to a few plausible facts that can't be ignored in this individual's life. Therefore, the mentality presented through these kind of posts shows us a conturbed atmosphere, result of a series of dramatic occurrences during certain periods of his human existence due to being established as a material being instead of being conditioned in a more spiritual, fulfilling way.

If you wanna discuss our brother's case further, PM me. I would be delighted to.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Spiritual_Teacher on August 06, 2014, 06:00:07 pm
Rather interesting observation. It's noticeable that those kind of actions transcend a paradigm that is related to a few plausible facts that can't be ignored in this individual's life. Therefore, the mentality presented through these kind of posts shows us a conturbed atmosphere, result of a series of dramatic occurrences during certain periods of his human existence due to being established as a material being instead of being conditioned in a more spiritual, fulfilling way.

If you wanna discuss our brother's case further, PM me. I would be delighted to.
I just came here and I have a lot of text to read. I'd like to talk with him directly but if you wanna discuss our brother's case then feel free to PM me any question.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on August 06, 2014, 07:09:27 pm
but yea anyways, I'm scared now
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Carathorn on August 06, 2014, 07:14:24 pm
aww damn they found us
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: ManceGaydar on August 07, 2014, 10:06:25 am
It came to my attention that you have awakened spiritually. However, you express to ignore and abuse others. That is fine, as long as you want a reflection of your actions back to you. Being "very loving" means not ignoring others and also not forcing others to view things the way you see them. If your friends don't want to understand truth it is their own choice. Life is about being free, free to choose where to go.

Have you been to the spiritual realm or talked to spirits since your awakening?

Being enlightened doesn't mean getting past the physical realm. It is simply knowing who you truly are and accepting it.

Rather interesting observation. It's noticeable that those kind of actions transcend a paradigm that is related to a few plausible facts that can't be ignored in this individual's life. Therefore, the mentality presented through these kind of posts shows us a conturbed atmosphere, result of a series of dramatic occurrences during certain periods of his human existence due to being established as a material being instead of being conditioned in a more spiritual, fulfilling way.

If you wanna discuss our brother's case further, PM me. I would be delighted to.

This post and your attitude actually makes me feel ill.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Illu on August 07, 2014, 04:02:14 pm
rip truth
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: RWG on August 07, 2014, 05:10:28 pm
wow they actually found us, this is fucked up.  Calling each other "brother."  This is a fucking cult.

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Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Spiritual_Teacher on August 07, 2014, 05:48:27 pm
Hi Goose, grats on 1:48. I saw it live.

I am not part of a cult. I was worried about Marc when you mentioned this thread in front of 500+ people.

So far I read the first 2 pages and the last page of this thread. I think Marc is trolling.

We call each other brother even though I have no idea who Truth_Therapist is because all consciousness came from one source and we are one eternal family playing the role of mortals.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: AZ on August 07, 2014, 05:49:28 pm
I think Marc is trolling.

:kappa: :kappa: :kappa:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Spiritual_Teacher on August 09, 2014, 07:07:47 am
I think he's trolling but I don't know if he's really trolling.

I don't assume to know everything but I can teach you some things that I know.

By talking to spirits I meant what you would call ghosts or some paranormal phenomenon. They very rarely appear in front of you and I've never seen it happen but I did get messages from them in various ways.

Here's a video I recommend watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOyuBxHdKpY
Here's his official website: http://www.afterlifetv.com/

Goose had a very interesting argument during his last stream about paranormal stories being too common that some of them have to be true.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: OHMSS on May 12, 2015, 06:53:47 am
Necromancering this thread in order to get clarification on this pressing issue:

Is THIS the TRUTH?

Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: bop on May 12, 2015, 11:33:55 am
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Post by: RWG on July 18, 2015, 05:47:44 am
(https://i.warosu.org/data/biz/img/0007/14/1428432770883.jpg)
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on July 18, 2015, 06:42:58 am
:nesquik: :nesquik: :nesquik:
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: OHMSS on July 19, 2015, 07:01:42 pm
That's some first-class bullshit :D Maybe 1 out of 1000 NEETs would have the willpower to even learn the state-of-the-art in mathematics anno 1850.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Rützou on July 19, 2015, 09:00:04 pm
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Post by: Illu on September 15, 2015, 10:01:51 am
Come let us make truth in our image, after our likeness.
Title: Re: What is the ultimate truth?
Post by: Spec on September 15, 2015, 02:05:14 pm
I would rather pursue the ways of true enlightenment than bump jimbo's most recent thread.

Edit: THIS thread should be the one to be "bumped so another one doesnt show as most recent post" :nesquik: