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The Big Three Plus One => GoldenEye 007 => Topic started by: RWG on February 15, 2013, 02:56:11 pm
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With Guillherme Alberto's AMAZING run of PRs recently to solidify his 9th place ranking, as well as Jimmy Bauer locking himself into a position in the true "top 8" group (similar to the G8 of economic powers) Shawn "Afanoftherings" Johnson is currently sitting in a precarious 10th place.
Which GE player will be the one who takes 10th place and knocks out Afan from the coveted top 10 spot?
Dan Cervone - Will he take time away from his doctorate studies to play Cradle 00 Agent?
Eddie Lovins - Hasn't been seen for years after getting married. But easily has the potential to cake a few PRs and take the 10 spot if he can be convinced to play.
Axel Zakrisson - Can the elite's perennial journeyman finally break through on heel of some strong PRs like Facility Agent 0:47?
Ryan Koch - Can the elite's favorite suburban wanksta keep his mind off the distractions of middle American suburbanites long enough to chip away at his weak times?
Jim Barrett - Despite all his rage, he is still just a rat in a cage.
Wouter Jansen - A true LEGEND of the elite. Can this golden bear's ageless comeback continue? Or has his fountain of youth dried up?
Luke Pettit - Showed a lot of potential with Frigate 00A 1:05 but has since done NOTHING. Where are you Luke?
Glen Stevens - Apparently bought NTSC but has not played at all, unlike his Australian counterpart.
Karl Jobst - Likely the most talented player outside the top 3, can he budget his personal, professional and social time well enough to clean up some of his messy, decade old PRs?
Luke Szklarz - Hugely promising, it seems like just a matter of time before he hits the top 10. But will he do it before anyone else on this list?
Wodahs Reklaw - A top N64 Zelda player who has shown promise with some decent new player PRs... but are the skills really that transferable?
Gabriele Atzori - The elite's favorite Sardinian clearly has the PASSION of a top player, but will he improve fast enough to make the jump?
No one - With two children on his wing, Afan gloriously returns to GoldenEye 007 speedrun competition for a second time, achieving many untied world records with 2.2 SuperPad by day, and making babies by night.
But seriously, this is actually a really interesting question with no clear answer. Feel free to have a fun discussion here :) :kappa:
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Lame poll.
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Lame poll.
AHA
YES
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Cervone will overtake Shawn without picking up a controller
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Lame poll.
lol do I have to remember you something¿
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1/5 poll didn't even vote.
Can someone please lock/delete this before it explodes.
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Atzori obviously.
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It's between Axel, Me, Koch, and Luke obviously. Axel and Koch seem to play whenever I get PRs. I always thought I was going to be the one to kick out Shawn, but Luke is showing some real skill. Luke Pettit is also an unknown :(
Shawn is retired forever with his family getting his full attention, Eddie said he has "one PR left in him" (Caverns SA).
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*lights up cigarette* :smokin:
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I'm the most likely, but I'll never do it cause I'm too in yo face.
*lights up cigarette* :smokin:
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There is simply NO way either of Axel or Jimbo ever get back into the top 10. The PRs they need as of right now... I just don't think they'll ever get. Their constant Facility choking on a level that has traditionally separated the boys from the men shows their true potential.
Koch could do it but he doesn't PR very quickly and is a busy man.
Cervone is obviously the most skilled player in that group. If he were still playing he easily would be in the "top 9."
Luke or Karl will be the one to do it in a few months. It's pretty obvious really.
Wouter has an outside chance at it but he just doesn't PR the right way.
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If Cervone was active Id easily pick him.
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Cervone is underrated yeah
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Cervone with 0 votes is retarded
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I'm mostly disappointed people didn't like my commentary about each of the players.
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I'm mostly disappointed people didn't like my commentary about each of the players.
Try harder next time then, this was lame.
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It went right through me; it seemed familiar and unknown at the same time. It was one of those rare moments that you never forget, which changes your life. The Kennedy assassination was one of them.
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There is simply NO way either of Axel or Jimbo ever get back into the top 10. The PRs they need as of right now... I just don't think they'll ever get. Their constant Facility choking on a level that has traditionally separated the boys from the men shows their true potential.
Koch could do it but he doesn't PR very quickly and is a busy man.
Cervone is obviously the most skilled player in that group. If he were still playing he easily would be in the "top 9."
Luke or Karl will be the one to do it in a few months. It's pretty obvious really.
Wouter has an outside chance at it but he just doesn't PR the right way.
This is the most retarded thing I have ever read. This whole debacle with Facility is solely because I hadn't gotten a good Trev in literally 16 hours of play, whereas I got about 6 in the first 7 hours or so. 2 mine ending is a ton easier than 3 or with bad Trev ... Just unfortunate luck with RNG lately since I can easily get low 36 pause outs as well.
Frigate is the real troll level with a bajillion points to offer, 30-plus on the hit list.
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Let's make a bet then
$50
If you get in the top 10 at any point (with 60/60 proven PRs) during the 2013 calendar year, I give you $50.
If you fail to get in the top 10 at any point during the 2013 calendar year, you give me $50.
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If you raised the bet to $250 at minimum, I would consider it. $50 isn't enough to play so rigorously to the point of actually altering my life schedule.
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Goose, I'll happily contribute some money to match Jim's $250 offer
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3 more people! The money will be split evenly $50 each to whoever contributes.
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LOL, @ offering money for someone to make... hold it... the top... 10! :nesquik:
bwahahahahahahhahahha. :v
Cervone is easily the most skilled player on the list. Wouter and Karl are next. The reason no one voted for Cervone, was because he doesn't play anymore, not because he isn't good. Pretty obv.
Karl doesn't seem to be playing (pr'ing) that much either. He's mounted a little comeback, but unless he's hoarding, I'm surprised at the little much else he's achieved since his "return."
I've always said that Koch should be a top 8 or 9 player, but to the best of my knowledge, he is simply content with times that don't match his ability. Until his mentality about that changes, he's won't pass me.
Szkarlz has proven nearly nothing (complete skill, not just speed) aside from his agent ability. I'd love to see him start crushing out some OOA pr's, but until he does, he won't pass me.
Eddie seems to have waned himself from the desire to play the amount it takes to pr. I can't blame him. His time is obviously spent getting ready to wed his fiance and working full time (I assume).
Axel spends 14 hours a day watching movies, 7 hours sleeping, 2 hours watching more movies and maybe an hour eating. He has cranked out a few more pr's lately (awesome Aztec!), but not sure about him overtaking me-I wouldn't bet on it.
Jim apparently isn't too interested in over-taking me unless someone else pays him cash. That's fine, but I passed him out of pure enjoyment. ;) He could, but he won't. :kappa: :pimp: :nesquik:
Pettit also takes a while to pr, though in the next couple years (if he continues playing at the pace he has since he joined the community) he should nab a top 10 spot, likely top 7 or 8.
And Glen has yet to show us any reason that he will be the one. He is skilled, but it seems that he has played little to no GE (aside from some multi) for a the past couple years.
Regarding myself, I will never be retired. Like Goose said already, my wife, kids and being busy in the Navy have kept me far too busy to spend hours playing GE. As it stands now, I don't see myself playing for the foreseeable future, but you never know when that "bug" will hit me and I need to nail a pr. If an insane strat discovery comes around, then I'll prob lower that time, but other than that, I won't defend.
I agree totally with Goose here. There really is no clear person currently within the Elite that will certainly pass me by year's end. I honestly cannot pick anyone out of that list! The cash incentive might help someone to do it a little quicker and actually makes me a little bit more proud that I'm still ranked where I am. I did it all for the enjoyment and love of the "sport." I'm not bitter at all or bothered by the apparent lack of motivation (at least that's what it seems Goose is implying by offering money) solely on being ranked higher with no other motivation other than just going after it.
Good luck to all the guys that seek a top 10 spot. It's prestigious in my opinion and something that I wll always appreciate and enjoy having been a part of. :) I suppose if you can make a few bucks while doing it, cool. :)
Later brahs :-*
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I've retired from GE because it sucks and is 100% luck 1% spending a million hours waiting for a nade. If I wanted to gamble I'd spend every day at the casino.
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I've been mostly going after Eddie's PRs in hopes of overtaking him (and Cervone while I'm at it) mostly for bragging rights. The distance between you and those guys is quite a bit, but something worse pursuing if THAT MUCH CASH is out there heh.
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Shawn's post is awfully conceited for someone whose only three WRs are Dam 53, B1 17 and Arcs 16.
Then again, he's probably right in a way. The reason that a lot of those players probably won't get into the top 10 is because they are going for interesting times and difficult WRs, not points, and if I'm being honest, as a (mainly) spectator this is much more interesting.
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I don't see how Cervone is easily the most skilled. I'll prove you guys wrong.
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Not sure how it came across as conceited. Though knowing Durk, he is simply trolling, as he always does. In case I was unclear, let me just say a bit more. Hopefully the guys that read this understand what I'm saying.
Certainly ANY of those guys (or many others that weren't listed) COULD accumulate better times than me and rack up more points and land in the top 10. I was simply calling it how I see it. I haven't played in nearly a year and none of those guys (listed) have overtaken me yet (obv). Just sayin...
Getting one, two or even three "cool" world records (though a WR is a WR no matter how "popular" it is and they are all cool in certain ways) and having the rest of your times be average times, while to you and some others, may be more interesting as you say, it will never show or actually mean that that person is an overall better player according to the rankings, which is obviously the thing we are all ranked against. Having ALL of your times complete AND as good as you can AND actually being ranked in any position, to me, and more importantly, to the actual thing that matters, THE RANKINGS, is really the only thing that matters.
Case in point: Anybody can give x amounts of reasons as to why they "feel" that Rayan, David, Marc, Bryan, Wouter (or any other Legend) is the overall greatest player ever, but in the end, their rankings won't change based off of those reasons. Perhaps I'm getting off subject and I know that there have been several "Who Is The Greatest Of All Time" polls, but hopefully my opinion (which agrees with the ranking system as it stands now) is clear. Cumulatively, my times are worth more points than any person who is ranked below me. It's not being conceited, it's fact. Same as cumulatively, your times being worth more than anybody who is ranked below you. It's not you being conceited or anything else, it's simply fact. And that's all I am trying to say. It's as if you are saying my post was conceited BECAUSE I am ranked 10th.
As far as what I said about each player individually, I feel like it was an honest observation of how well I know each of those players and how much progress I've seen them make in the last several months to year. Nothing I said was dishonest, inaccurate, degrading or personal towards each person, so again, I don't know how it sounded conceited. If I gave any factual errors and somebody can show me my error (maybe one of those guys has been pr'ing much more than I said and I simply am not aware of it) I will gladly retract any statements that simply weren't true. (hopefully the jokes were obv) :)
Since I'm mainly a spectator now as well, let me admit that it is extremely fun to watch everybody continue on and have fun and climb the ranks. I hope the same now that I've always hope for as far as GE goes. I hope that the people that are brand new can enjoy and find the time to play and do well. And I hope that we old-timers can always enjoy the freshness of those newcomers.
Just one more thing to note about me personally for anybody that is concerned, especially about this top 10 topic that Goose created. I've achieved everything that I set out to achieve way back in 1999-2000 as far as this game goes. I have nothing else to prove to myself or anybody else and I had a great time throughout the years doing it. And no, this is NOT a retirement post.
Hope that clears things up for ya, Durk, or anybody else that was confused. :)
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I don't see how Cervone is easily the most skilled. I'll prove you guys wrong.
I've retired from GE because it sucks and is 100% luck 1% spending a million hours waiting for a nade. If I wanted to gamble I'd spend every day at the casino.
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Hey Shawn,
You know we've always got along well and I never meant any disrespect by saying that you don't belong in the top 10.
From what I remember you playing back in '09, you were just a very average top 50 player. It was neat to see an old player return after so many years and you were an interesting personality on the boards, but I always thought your GE playing and skills were mediocre at best.
I guess I was shocked when I returned from my hiatus and saw you in 8th place. My initial reaction was "how on Earth did Afan make it so high in the ranks? No career untieds, not many WRs, he's not this good."
I kept this train of thought until very recently. I've been playing again for almost 6 months now and I was wondering why you were still in the top 10.
I made this topic partly as troll, because by now I realized that ANYONE passing you was unlikely. I was actually shocked to see that Jimbo got like 3 votes because I thought he had no chance. I just put pretty much everyone ranked 11-20. Then I did a little research of my own. I compared Jimbo's times to yours and then it really hit me that there is ZERO chance Jimbo ever passes you on the rankings (barring many new strategy improvements.) I looked at the times you have better than Jimbo, and I thought that there are many of these times he will NEVER get. Simply, it hit me that your times are very solid all round. (And my belief that Jimbo will never pass you is what inspired me to offer the $50 bet, since I feel it is a LOCK win for me.
It's true that your style of play is boring, and you weren't ever going to get sweet WRs or untieds, but your all round performance is quite something.
You also deserve a TON of respect for keeping a great career, raising a family, and still being able to compete at a world class level for so long.
I agree it will be a few months before anyone knocks you out of the top 10. Unless Dan or Eddie randomly pump out 20-30 hours in the next while (which is unlikely.)
So yeah, you're good, you deserve your spot in the top 10, and I wish you and your family the best :)
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The only level(s) Shawn has on lock-down is Frigate, and PROBABLY Surface 2. Everything else is attainable and there are other times I could get (1:55s) that would give me an edge as well. Your theory is wrong but this is not a pissing contest; Shawn is a very skilled speedrunner and times like his S2 SA prove it.
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Lol @ picking S2 SA over Train, and claiming that you can top Shawn's Train times.
This is why you'll never be top 10.
This IS a pissing contest.
I'd almost be willing to offer you $1000 for top 10 since I'm certain you won't do it.
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Ryan White:
Can't afford DVD recorder.
Tries to appear tough by claiming could put $1000 on the line.
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Jim might reach top 10 if he plays seriously, but if he actually stays in the top 10 i'm gonna retire, it shouldn't be possible.
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Ryan White:
Can't afford DVD recorder.
Tries to appear tough by claiming could put $1000 on the line.
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Shawn is sadly the king of the die tryin type.
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Ryan White:
Can't afford DVD recorder.
Tries to appear tough by claiming could put $1000 on the line.
LOL this was good.
However you may have misunderstood my problem.
I don't have any money NOW. I did specify in the other thread that after I work in the summer, I will have money. In an average summer working as a Park Ranger in one of Canada's many beautiful forests, I earn ~$18k. This year I just so happened to dispense almost 25% of my earnings on a motor vehicle. Next year, that likely won't be taking place. It is now February 19th and I am low on funds. If we were to have this discussion on December 31st, I would have been much less low on funds and able to afford a DVD recorder (this is even after purchasing a car this year.) December 31 is when the bet would end, and barring a major unforseen circumstance (losing my job, having to buy another car, having to pay for medical treatment) I would almost certainly have $1000 of disposable income on December 31, 2013.
NOT ONLY THIS but I am so confident that Jimbo won't get into the top 10 this year that this bet is comparable to betting money on the world not ending tomorrow. It is an UNLOSABLE SITUATION.
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btw wtf Monteith ranked 24 in.. half a year? Passed Karl and some headz + Untied. This guy is amazing
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I joined the ranks in Oct 2005.
In Jan 2006 for the Sylvester Tip, about half the elite was predicting me in 10th spot by year's end.
I passed Wouter Jansen for 3rd place in October 2006 and had already achieved around half a dozen untieds.
Ace and Clemens' rises to the top 3 were equally or more impressive and speedy. Ace was like PD champion before he raped GE in like 6 months, but Clemens, like me, came out of nowhere and went to top 3 in under a year.
We're probably the best 3 players ever.
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I joined the ranks in Oct 2005.
In Jan 2006 for the Sylvester Tip, about half the elite was predicting me in 10th spot by year's end.
I passed Wouter Jansen for 3rd place in October 2006 and had already achieved around half a dozen untieds.
Ace and Clemens' rises to the top 3 were equally or more impressive and speedy. Ace was like PD champion before he raped GE in like 6 months, but Clemens, like me, came out of nowhere and went to top 3 in under a year.
We're probably the best 3 players ever.
well Ace and Clem are on another level + we're talking about 2012 for Monteith. I mean, the present.
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Monteith is a VERY GOOD player but let's see him pass Jimbo before we can call him "GREAT"
In a less troll version of this poll I would have included Monteith. Him and Pettit are very comparable players.
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Monteith is a VERY GOOD player but let's see him pass Jimbo before we can call him "GREAT"
In a less troll version of this poll I would have included Monteith. Him and Pettit are very comparable players.
Newcomer getting WRs is always nice to watch
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Do you honestly believe you're going to get away with that username? :kappa:
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Goose-
Thanks for the kind words. I've never wanted any special credit for anything, since you're absolutely correct in that I've never been a groundbreaking player that develops insane strategies or acheives untied world records. If anything, it's that I dedicated myself to finish the game to the best of my abilities given my surrounding circumstances. Things that you mentioned (family, job, etc). To the best of my knowledge, there aren't very many people in the Elite that are in circumstances like me (wife, kids and more-than-full-time-job) that are able to/want to play the game that much, so I guess I can be proud of that. I certainly don't deserve any special credit for it, but I am little bit proud that I am one of the only guys to be in that group, for whatever that's worth.
Again, thanks Ryan and Jim for saying that I am, or rather was a solid player. That is quite nice.