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Title: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on March 05, 2013, 10:12:25 pm
http://theelitegaming.boards.net/index.cgi

So a new forum has been made with the hopes of moving away from the part of the community executively run by those like Ngamer, Comeasur, TheFlash and Thiradell.  Obviously it is still in its embryonic stage, but if people want they can definitely be made admin to help make that board better and better until it can eventually replace this tyranny.

Ideally with effort, we can eventually move completely away from the-elite.net with a new forum, and hopefully port over YE's rankings to a new site.  This should be seen as the first in a long set of steps to do that.

Goldeneye and Perfect Dark speedrunning is a great thing.  The community around it should not be crippled by those who have no interest in the games, but simply want to feel powerful over a population of people.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 05, 2013, 10:18:23 pm
Yep I'm down, I'll sign up and post exclusively there when we get most of the important people over.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: TheFlash on March 05, 2013, 10:20:59 pm
If you need any help setting up the rankings, let me know. I've done it twice and can get things going in just a few minutes now.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 10:24:49 pm
Not sure what this is in response to, but I thought we were moving in the right direction with the Elite Council. Feel free to make a new forum though!
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on March 05, 2013, 10:25:23 pm
Okay, I will be sure to contact you when that time comes.

Would there be any way to port the entire forums to a different location, posts and all, and simply reassign the moderators and admin?  Like clone this exact forum to another site (while leaving this one here) and then give the cloned forums to new administrators?
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: TheFlash on March 05, 2013, 10:27:44 pm
It could be done but you would need to find someone with access to the forum's post database.  As far as I know there are only 2 people with that access.  It's probably still possible to scrape the Yuku boards but the scripts for that were pretty unstable and needed a lot of coaxing to work.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 05, 2013, 10:32:18 pm
Quote from: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 10:24:49 pm
Not sure what this is in response to, but I thought we were moving in the right direction with the Elite Council. Feel free to make a new forum though!

No offense to you Tyler because you're awesome man. But you, and the mods are out of touch with everything. Hence why we need the change. This sentence is exactly why we need a new board. The people who don't even play who manage these boards don't see anything wrong with multiple people leaving because of the people who run the place.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on March 05, 2013, 10:33:10 pm
Cool stuff Flash.  I have your email.  We'll be in touch as things progress.  I really appreciate any help you'd provide.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 10:34:31 pm
Your post was contentless and I don't understand any more than I did. Also, it's better that people who aren't top competitors be the admins of a forum like this. I have never "not cared" about GE, I'm just not as active as some people.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on March 05, 2013, 10:38:20 pm
Truly, it is better that people who exhibit all of these qualities are in charge;

a) care

b) don't make rash, important decisions without talking to anyone else about it

c) are active

d) understand and are involved with the community to a high degree

The "it's better if they're not top competitors" is completely arbitrary.  The competition and administration are two separate things.  People can be good at both.  Case in point: Cosmo on SRL.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 05, 2013, 10:40:07 pm
I wasn't trying to help you understand. You don't understand which is the issue. Not understanding is better than people like ngamer though who understand they just don't give a fuck because they love having the power.

The first sign someone should not be a leader is if they get defensive when people ask them not to be a leader. Because they care more about the power and being in charge, rather than caring about what the people of the community want.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 10:40:51 pm
A) subjective and doesn't mean anything

B) this is why we implemented the Elite Council

C) we're all active enough to keep this community in check

D) check

Cosmo on SRL is a terrible example.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Infil on March 05, 2013, 10:43:02 pm
Can people who are upset with the mods please give a detailed description of what they're "out of touch" with? I hear this thrown about often and I would like more information on this.

Also, how do people plan on avoiding a pretty serious conflict of interest/infighting if they make other top players proof mods?

Everyone is welcome to do what they like, but insulting Thingy for his tyranny and then saying "oh and by the way, Thingy would you mind helping me replicate this entire site" is more than a little strange.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on March 05, 2013, 10:48:40 pm
Jon blocking Karl, a top player and well-respected eliter, from being a forum mod, despite overwhelming support for him to be so,  is an archetypal example of what some members are getting annoyed about.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 05, 2013, 10:49:57 pm
Infil I'll respond to you. but this is not directed at some of the current mods. Because they are arguementative and don't care about what we have to say. I.e, we're not happy and they TELL us why we should be, as apposed to considering they're not doing a good job.

Justin Beiber was on the ranks for weeks, it's fucking dumb. Trolls aren't banned until they make 10 stupid topics. Topics are moved and closed because mods don't like it, regardless of what people want. Mods aren't willing to step down by popular demand (which they should), most mods are hardly active on the boards (they may check them but hardly post). People in charge love the power trip and don't give a fuck what we want, they just want what they want, and that's it.

I have been in this community for almost 14 years. If I get any responsibility (which I'm sure I've never had), I'm not about to fuck it up by doing something that is obviously a conflict of interest. This isn't a science, but hopefully we can make good choices.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 05, 2013, 10:54:02 pm
I really want to be positive and helpful to everyone, but it's really hard for me because I'm upset about the people running this place.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 10:59:00 pm
I'll step down then.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 05, 2013, 11:02:38 pm
It depends what most people would want, and would work best for the whole group. Again you're making rash decisions based on zero discussion. I don't think anyone in the topic said they want you to step down, I personally said that I have an issue with you being out of touch. However what is the solution? It could be anything, it could be just adding another mod, it could be coaching for you, it could be anything. Is this attitude so hard to understand?
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Infil on March 05, 2013, 11:11:00 pm
Third's been slammed in multiple topics for being (insert negative adjective here) and Goose has harped on how he's bad at what he does. To these people, it apparently got so bad that uprooting the entire forum and having a full-scale mutiny was the only option left. And suddenly stepping down is NOT what these people want?

You have an issue with him being out of touch, he asked you to elaborate so he could address your concerns or maybe adjust his own behavior, you basically said "you don't understand and never will, that's the issue", and now it's "let's talk solutions"? Won't he just ... not understand and never will? Why not talk solutions before, when he asked about it?
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 11:13:14 pm
There's a balance between making rash decisions and waiting to where people get impatient with you deliberating over something. Apparently you think I'm on the wrong end of both of those extremes, which is kinda confusing.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 11:16:20 pm
And look, I imagine what's said about me is:

-Self-righteous
-Overly defensive
-Not active
-Not in touch

All those things are true to some extent, I've enjoyed doing this job and reacted poorly to criticisms at times. Topics like these are pretty insane though
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on March 05, 2013, 11:19:46 pm
One of the things that's always been a bother with Thiradell is that, for instance, when it comes to complex matters beyond backrolling a proof called time or changing colors or something, Axel Z NEVER acts on the rankings alone, without consulting with one of Third, Ngamer, YE.  Third acts alone all the time, making difficult decisions affecting the rankings, without talking to anyone else about it.  Not only that, but these decisions are often hated by the community in general.  Compare this to the decisions Axel Z makes, which people the community usually supports.  Someone who consistently makes decisions on their own that no one else supports, is not a good thing.

Third stepping down is alright.  A new PD rankings mod would be cool.  But honestly, we're fed up with the elite.  It hasn't changed for 15 years.  It won't change now.  Ngamer will refuse to appoint good people like Karl or Jimbo based on personal vendettas against them, while appointing an irrelevant chatter with no involvement in the games.  That's the way it has always been and will always be here.  That's why leaving is the only option left.

Why are you so bothered by a mutiny anyways?  Isn't that what you want?  So you guys can just sit around with your tight little clique of friends in your chatroom, have a forum dedicated to ASOIF, NFL, poker and E3, and not have to deal with any of the GE/PD stuff you're not interested with in the first place?
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 11:25:56 pm
Alright, done talking about myself, but:

-DK and Cara spearheaded efforts to get elites streaming, something progressive which you've jumped onto and expanded nicely.
-Thingy migrated the-elite to a new forum and consistently helps out with tech problems.
-Wes McKinney used to hand-enter everything. Thanks, YE!
-Ngamer singlehandedly makes the Summer Contest happen every year. Whether he should be more active isn't really something that can be demanded.
-Other people have kept up the ranks for 15 years with basically no gratitude from you lot.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 05, 2013, 11:26:36 pm
Infil: Tyler did not ask once in this topic about what the issue is. All of his posts are statements about what he thinks. Seriously, did he even write one question mark the entire time? No, because he's not actually interested in what we want, just interested in being right. Even though he will have the best intentions, actions speak louder than words. Making statements is a terrible way of trying to get someone to help you understand. this is my issue with the current leadership. Can it be fixed? I don't know, but I don't think so with the current mindset. You mentioned Tyler asked me to elaborate? No, he never once asked a question in this topic.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 11:30:32 pm
Karl you shut me down as soon as I posted, you're really good at arguing irrel semantics
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 05, 2013, 11:31:38 pm
Quote from: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 11:25:56 pm
Alright, done talking about myself, but:

-DK and Cara spearheaded efforts to get elites streaming, something progressive which you've jumped onto and expanded nicely.
-Thingy migrated the-elite to a new forum and consistently helps out with tech problems.
-Wes McKinney used to hand-enter everything. Thanks, YE!
-Ngamer singlehandedly makes the Summer Contest happen every year. Whether he should be more active isn't really something that can be demanded.
-Other people have kept up the ranks for 15 years with basically no gratitude from you lot.

These are great, and I think we are appreciative of this, I know I am. but here is what youre saying....

DK and Cara helped the elite stream, they should MOD THE BOARDS.
thingy helped create the new forum and is tech savvy, he should MOD THE BOARDS.
Ngamer is great with running the summer contest, he should MOD THE BOARDS.
other people helped out in the past, he should MOD THe BOARDS.

you know what you never said, any of the people are good at MODDING THE BOARDS. It's rediculous bro lol. this logic is fucking laughable.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 11:34:28 pm
I didn't say any of those people should mod the boards, most of them don't perpetuate/aren't responsible for what you're annoyed with. Was just responding to Goose's "nothing has changed in 15 years."
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 05, 2013, 11:34:56 pm
Quote from: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 11:30:32 pm
K.. you shut me down as soon as I posted, you're really good at arguing irrel semantics

Communication is the most important thing in ANY relationship.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on March 05, 2013, 11:36:36 pm
Quote from: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 11:34:28 pm
I didn't say any of those people should mod the boards, most of them don't, really.

Actually all of DK, Cara, Ngamer and Thingy mod the boards.  Lol.

Showing once again just how out of touch you are.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: wheatrich on March 05, 2013, 11:36:53 pm
Jimbo's already a mod.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 05, 2013, 11:46:42 pm
Quote from: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 11:34:28 pm
I didn't say any of those people should mod the boards, most of them don't perpetuate/aren't responsible for what you're annoyed with. Was just responding to Goose's "nothing has changed in 15 years."

Im annoyed with Ngamer because he ignored the vast majority of users on this board who were cool with me being a Mod on the boards, and he was a complete DICK about it as well.

I don't like Come because he's not active on the boards, he shows up 6 months later with a post just to show his authority again. Blocks an active topic because he doesn't like its content. Has no value to the elite at all.

the mods of the GE boards do not remove trolls quickly enough. In fact many troll accounts and still active and being used. The mods of the elite showed they do not remove fake accounts quickly enough.


All of the mods have shown they do not respond well to critisism and feedback. They assert their own will. they lack communication skills necessary to talk to a broader audience.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 05, 2013, 11:49:53 pm
Tyler you are one of my favouite peoples I met at VA, and I belive if you tweaked your attitude slightly and were less defensive and more curious and helpful you'd be awesome. Also if you responded quicker to obvious trolls.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Infil on March 05, 2013, 11:51:30 pm
Quote from: Ancient Text on March 05, 2013, 11:19:46 pm
Why are you so bothered by a mutiny anyways?  Isn't that what you want?  So you guys can just sit around with your tight little clique of friends in your chatroom, have a forum dedicated to ASOIF, NFL, poker and E3, and not have to deal with any of the GE/PD stuff you're not interested with in the first place?

Don't be so melodramatic. I know you're good at it, but this is silly. I used to be a PD player, just because I don't play anymore doesn't mean I'm not interested in hearing about what's happening in the games.

You're welcome to move to another forum if you're upset with certain people not getting moderator status, and then appointing those people as moderators. But don't call Third out of touch for "not knowing" who the moderators are, and then suggest Jimbo should be a mod when he already is. Don't insult Thingy for not playing games and just being an irrel chatter, then immediately accept his help for how to start a new rankings site. These things make your points look extremely petty.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: TheFlash on March 05, 2013, 11:55:38 pm
Quote from: karljobst on March 05, 2013, 10:49:57 pm
Justin Beiber was on the ranks for weeks, it's fucking dumb. Trolls aren't banned until they make 10 stupid topics. Topics are moved and closed because mods don't like it, regardless of what people want.

Hi Karl. Even though you said this isn't directed at any current mods, I do have some information regarding the quoted issues you bring up here.

The following discussion took place between a number of Elite Council members when Justin Bieber Ramirez tried to join the rankings.  As a group, the team took an active stance investigating the new player to see if he was legitimate.  Any new player will be subject to some scrutiny these days because of a recent increase in false identities used on the boards.  The full discussion is quoted below, with some lines from BloodE, Stinson, and Youse about Super Meat Boy removed for clarity.

Spoiler
*2013.02.09.txt*
(21:10:27) YourElitenessPD has entered the room
(21:11:15) YourElitenessPD: I need some advice, Elite!
(21:11:25) GoldenJimbo007: I'm here for you bud
(21:11:38) YourElitenessPD: Some guy signed up on the rankings using the name "Justin Bieber Remirez"
(21:11:42) isthatagoodt: Ha
(21:11:45) DKK5: lol
(21:11:45) GoldenJimbo007: ban ov
(21:11:45) YourElitenessPD: And alias "As Long As You Love Me"
(21:11:46) GoldenJimbo007: obv*
(21:11:52) YourElitenessPD: Approve or reject?
(21:11:57) isthatagoodt: Reject
(21:11:57) GoldenJimbo007: Reject'd
(21:11:59) Nathanstinson: jim
(21:12:03) Nathanstinson: oops
(21:12:04) GoldenJimbo007: sup
(21:12:17) DKK5: Run ip check on his forum account
(21:12:20) YourElitenessPD: His sign up comments are: Hi from Colombia! My name is Justin Bieber Ramirez. Hehehe it is commonplace in South America n to take name after famous celebrity. I am 16 year old player from Colombia! Hello all.
(21:12:32) isthatagoodt: is his IP from Colombia?
(21:12:42) TopRogue7: yes, it's common place to have been named for a future pop star, 16 years ago
(21:12:44) DKK5: I dunno I can't chack ips
(21:13:06) DKK5: But 99% it's a troll acount
(21:13:06) Nathanstinson: Jim goe 3 hours without commenting
(21:13:10) Nathanstinson: answers YE in 10 seconds
(21:13:12) Nathanstinson: seems legit
(21:13:15) isthatagoodt: http://elite.speedrunwiki.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2503 this guy?
(21:13:17) YourElitenessPD: Seattle
(21:13:25) DKK5: yes
(21:13:44) isthatagoodt: Only forum user with that IP at least...
(21:14:04) isthatagoodt: But it doesn't look south american
(21:14:05) YourElitenessPD: He seems to be legit
(21:15:13) YourElitenessPD: As much as I hate to say it... approved
(21:15:50) BloodEsHoverCage: so what shall we race
(21:16:10) isthatagoodt: YE: That IP seems to have come through tor
(21:16:14) isthatagoodt: I would guess it's troll.
(21:17:02) isthatagoodt: *IP removed*
(21:17:15) isthatagoodt: This is where JBiebR's IP comes from
(21:17:25) isthatagoodt: Why would he be accessing the site using anonymity?
(21:17:27) YourElitenessPD: Is the IP you have *IP removed*?
(21:17:40) isthatagoodt: Nay, I have *IP removed*
(21:17:46) isthatagoodt: Only IP he's used on the forum
(21:18:05) wheatrich: it's definitely a fake name, but could be a unique person
(21:18:12) wheatrich: there's plenty of those in the kart forums
(21:18:59) isthatagoodt: Let him go for a while longer and I'll monitor his forum IP usage
(21:19:06) YourElitenessPD: Yeah
(21:19:08) isthatagoodt: If he comes through from another place we'll know more
(21:19:12) isthatagoodt: I'll check in a few days
...
(21:27:39) YourElitenessPD has left the room

Based on this discussion, Justin Bieber Ramirez was allowed on the ranks and on the forum until more information was obtained.  Today I have received a personal message from Justin Bieber Ramirez asking why he was removed from the rankings, so I am assuming someone made the decision to do that.  I have no contact with the people who administer the rankings so I would not have been involved in making that decision.

---

Regarding trolls making multiple topics before being banned, a decision was made by Ngamer to add DavidK5 as a PowerMod.  This new class of forum moderator has the ability to suspend and ban users, track IP addresses of suspected troll accounts, and moderate posts anywhere on the forum.  This position also allows DavidK5 to restrict users from certain types of posting and remove inappropriate user profile content.  David has assured us he is an active forum reader with good ties to all board sections.  So far, he's done a great job of keeping these accounts to a minimum.  To help him out, it would be nice if all current users stopped creating secondary accounts for humorous purposes.  He has to examine posts by all new accounts and decide whether or not the user is legitimate.  If an honest new user is banned by mistake, I won't blame him in the least.  The only people to blame are those who have been repeatedly making new accounts to stir up trouble.

The decision to give DavidK5 these powers was made in the following conversation:

Spoiler
*2013.02.12.txt*
(00:16:24) CHATSTATSRobot3: Thingy do you read me?
(00:17:22) isthatagoodt: *loud and clear*
(00:18:49) CHATSTATSRobot3: DK is requesting an upgrade to Board Admin so he'll be able to "combat spam and IP ban fake accounts," and the idea has my stamp of approval
(00:18:55) CHATSTATSRobot3: any objections on your end?
(00:19:03) DKK5: I did what now?
(00:19:40) CHATSTATSRobot3: shush DK don't blow this for you!
(00:20:28) isthatagoodt: how about we make a new category for him
(00:20:35) isthatagoodt: that allows him to manage the ban lists
(00:20:39) isthatagoodt: is that all he needs?
(00:22:32) CHATSTATSRobot3: yes just being able to ban or IP ban or suspend should be good enough, he's already got mod access to all the active boards
(00:22:59) isthatagoodt: can he edit member profiles
(00:23:20) CHATSTATSRobot3: I don't think he'd need that, but it won't hurt
(00:23:21) isthatagoodt: and delete accounts?
(00:23:28) isthatagoodt: im asking what to give him
(00:23:42) isthatagoodt: if someone has an offensive signature can he edit it to a pleasant one
(00:24:17) CHATSTATSRobot3: I mean that would be nice but doesn't seem too necessary...
(00:24:26) isthatagoodt: ok tell him if he wants that to ask
(00:24:28) isthatagoodt: later on
(00:24:30) CHATSTATSRobot3: he shouldn't need to delete accounts, just to ban them
(00:24:47) isthatagoodt: i delete fake accounts all the time....
(00:24:55) isthatagoodt: but fair
(00:25:02) CHATSTATSRobot3: alright I'll let him know about that one
(00:25:24) DKK5: What's the difference between deletion and ban?
(00:25:47) wheatrich: ban would ban the IP
(00:25:47) isthatagoodt: whats his account named
(00:26:16) isthatagoodt: guess he might be DavidK5
(00:26:23) DKK5: Could be
(00:29:07) isthatagoodt: well did it work then?
(00:30:57) isthatagoodt: Anyway the ban menu is kinda dumb
(00:31:03) isthatagoodt: But you should be able to figure it out
(00:31:09) isthatagoodt: If it doesn't work, worst you can do is ban a troll forever
(00:31:20) isthatagoodt: You can probably view the whole ban list too if you click the Admin button
(00:31:21) DKK5: Doesn't look like I can view ips though
(00:31:36) DKK5: logged into admin button
(00:31:39) isthatagoodt: *link* what do you get on the left here
(00:31:45) isthatagoodt: do you get one for Ban this user?
(00:32:19) DKK5: yep
(00:32:24) isthatagoodt: does that window have the IP stuff
(00:32:36) isthatagoodt: or do you want me to turn on the thing that lets you see the IP of every post in the corner
(00:32:50) isthatagoodt: and also allows you to delete accounts and stuff
(00:32:52) DKK5: Um, you mean when I click on ban user?
(00:32:54) isthatagoodt: yeah
(00:33:21) DKK5: Oh yeah, I can see in there
(00:33:26) DKK5: I guess that's fine
(00:33:45) isthatagoodt: Okay, so for example you could just click Full ban, Never expire, and click Add
(00:33:51) isthatagoodt: It's nice to leave a Reason and Notes though
(00:34:12) wheatrich: don't see a reason to ban him  he's better than a bunch of eliters
(00:34:12) isthatagoodt: "Ban Name" automatically fills to their username, but it's actually a name for the ban
(00:34:26) isthatagoodt: So if it's something else you can fill that in like you wish
(00:34:45) isthatagoodt: *link* does this come up too
(00:34:54) isthatagoodt: also wheat click that and make sure it doesn't work for you
(00:35:20) DKK5: Guess it works
(00:35:23) holycatholique: doesn't work for me :(
(00:35:27) wheatrich: if it did I wouldn't tell you
(00:35:35) isthatagoodt: Check out that Ban Triggers page, DK
(00:35:35) wheatrich: I'd ban you hahahahaha
(00:35:46) isthatagoodt: You'll see that one single IP has tried to come almost 6000 times after being banned!
(00:36:03) isthatagoodt: We used to have a lot more bans but I wiped out all of them except the big ones
(00:36:07) isthatagoodt: It also keeps track of expired bans
(00:36:13) isthatagoodt: So if someone does a dick move, you can ban them for a week
(00:36:25) isthatagoodt: And then when we notice they've done it 5 times you can feel free to crack down harde!
(00:36:51) holycatholique: neat!
(00:36:57) isthatagoodt: Have there been more robots making accounts
(00:37:08) isthatagoodt: Or are all these ones from the last few months just trolling already-members
(00:37:09) DKK5: on srw?
(00:37:17) isthatagoodt: On the forums
(00:37:25) DKK5: Oh, on boards people are just trolling
(00:37:51) DKK5: I just think there needs to be some kind of threat of suspension or ban or else some people won't stop being idiots
(00:37:52) isthatagoodt: Gotta say, that stuff SUCKS and if I was in charge I'd probably be pretty frustrated
(00:38:24) isthatagoodt: All these trollcounts should be blocked burned etc right away and stomped out with repercussions!
(00:38:35) DKK5: I'd be a good idea to play out some kind of policy though
(00:39:08) isthatagoodt: Keep an eye on this jbrcolombia guy, he only accesses the boards through TOR so it's 95% a trollaccount
(00:39:14) isthatagoodt: He's also submitting times to the site I think
(00:39:35) DKK5: It started with Brio trolling constantly with Bruce Waliz
(00:39:50) DKK5: Now there's bieber from columbia
(00:40:01) isthatagoodt: K is the Bruce thing still going on?
(00:40:09) DKK5: Not so much recently

Several members have expressed concern that the community has been unable to grow because there are roadblocks keeping new members from joining.  Getting banned by accident after making an honest topic that a moderator mistook for a troll topic would probably put off a new user for good.  It's better to play it safe, just in case.  David's role allows him to suspend users for short periods of time, forever, and anywhere in between.  I think the idea is that he can help calm the boards when things get particularly rough.  No reason for this topic to be so out of control!


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If you feel like a topic has been closed or moderated unfairly, please inform the moderation team of your concern.  Deleted topics and posts are available for recovery if needed.  We don't have a full Complaints Board here and I don't think we need one at this point.  The moderation team is small and seems to generally use good sense.  If there are specific issues you have in mind, feel free to list them in a message to me and I will review them with help from members of the Elite Council.

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Quote from: karljobst on March 05, 2013, 11:46:42 pm
Im annoyed with Ngamer because he ignored the vast majority of users on this board who were cool with me being a Mod on the boards, and he was a complete DICK about it as well.

My approach to this is that, generally, it's fine for everyone to be a mod.  I'm typically pretty over-trusting and believe that people have good intentions.  As soon as people screw up as mods they can be removed.  These types of decisions are way beyond me, but from all I can tell, Ngamer is in the position to make them based on a history of trust and commitment to the site.  When it comes down to it, someone has to make the call.  If I had to guess, I would say he might be hesitant to offer a moderator position to someone calling for mutiny, lol.  But really, all moderation actions are logged and any abuse can be tracked to the instigator easily.  A rogue moderator couldn't even do any permanent damage.  Maybe if you make a better case you can win him over.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Carathorn on March 06, 2013, 12:00:38 am
First of all, people should be more thoughtful about judging people who invest time into this community. We are a very small group of people, so really anyone willing to contribute making this a better place in any shape or form is much appreciated IMO. People always see things incredibly black and white and it tilts me out from time to time.

I highly respect the work that people like Thingy, Third, Ngamer, Come, Derek and many others do/did for the community. Nevertheless, it has to be said that the gap between community and the core games and its players has become larger and larger over time. I believe this is the only problem there really is, and it should be easy to solve.

Biggest factor in this is, to my views, that not all positions covering the "power" here have been distributed well enough. For example: proof mod teams consisting of (at least) 2 per game, where one person represents the gamers and the other has a neutral view on things could be an idea and a first step. Think Jimbo/Third, Axel/Karl, whatever. please don't kill me for bringing up those two examples because I'm merely trying to get my point across lol.

There is more. The council was a big step forward. well, at least the idea behind it. The execution simply couldn't have been done any worse, having Come and Thingy pop out of nowhere, putting 10 people in a closed forum and "good luck, here is your council. this is what you wanted, here it is." I'm not saying this is how it went, this is how it LOOKED. and that whole beginning already obliviated the whole purpose of the council in the first place, which was to get a group of people elected to represent the community in its broadest sense, like a government that makes up legislation, the council got the honor of adjusting the proof/community policies after some sort of a decision making process.

There are many ways we could deal with players feeling disconnected from the admins on the site. I also want to adress that looking from players point of view, it would be nice for some of the people in our admin-body of the community to acknowledge the fact that they could have acted earlier on all of this. Just like from a players point of view its reasonable to admit that things HAVE been improved, such as twitch implementation on the boards, attempt at council, etc.

Again closing the gap is all it takes. A lot of people here fill up significant and very valuable roles, such as Thingy covering technical aspects, Ngamer hosting the Summer Contest, and so on. But then again, this is a GE/PD gaming community and it should always be that in it's core. Just appoint with SENSE/elect the right (teams of) people to the right positions and we're all set. We should be spending time on how to achieve all of this in stead of raging around and not coming up with solutions.

Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: DavidK5 on March 06, 2013, 12:01:42 am
Quote from: Ancient Text on March 05, 2013, 11:36:36 pm
Quote from: Thiradell on March 05, 2013, 11:34:28 pm
I didn't say any of those people should mod the boards, most of them don't, really.

Actually all of DK, Cara, Ngamer and Thingy mod the boards.  Lol.

Showing once again just how out of touch you are.

Dunno if that misquote is just trolling, but that's kind of unfair. I've spent a non-trivial amount of time keeping up with what's going on around the boards and trying to keep things civil for the past month or so. If I haven't been harsh/fast enough, then I can adjust. However, it can be difficult when people like jbr hide behind proxies. However, if people really want to clean up the boards, we as a community need to talk about forming some more detailed and probably harsher forum rules so mods have fewer subjective judgments to make.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on March 06, 2013, 12:04:49 am
DK, you're the best moderator/admin/powermod/whatever the elite has ever had, so I wasn't directing any disgust towards you at all.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 06, 2013, 12:24:10 am
Thanks for the posts Flash and Come. there are have been many great things implemented, with twitch etc. However I don't understand why these are brought up, because the issue has to do with actions (and lack of action) by current board mods. the idea of moderators is to mould an enivonment that the users are happy with. they do this by deleting posts etc that don't breed the kin of atmosphere the people want. This isn't being done. And when we vote people in who we think can get this done, they are rejected for no reason.

Justin bieber seeming legit? Ryan dwyer is an awesome programmer and the elite is way better because of his innovation. But knowing him personally he has absolutely zero common sense and his role should be strictly where his strength lies and that's with IT. Leave decision making to people who are more aware.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Carathorn on March 06, 2013, 12:26:27 am
Quote from: karljobst on March 06, 2013, 12:24:10 am
Thanks for the posts Flash and Come. there are have been many great things implemented, with twitch etc. However I don't understand why these are brought up, because the issue has to do with actions (and lack of action) by current board mods. the idea of moderators is to mould an enivonment that the users are happy with. they do this by deleting posts etc that don't breed the kin of atmosphere the people want. This isn't being done. And when we vote people in who we think can get this done, they are rejected for no reason.

Justin bieber seeming legit? Ryan dwyer is an awesome programmer and the elite is way better because of his innovation. But knowing him personally he has absolutely zero common sense and his role should be strictly where his strength lies and that's with IT. Leave decision making to people who are more aware.

I guess I covered all of that in my post Karl!
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 06, 2013, 12:28:10 am
Yeah I probably just said what you said but dumbed it down.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Jimbo on March 06, 2013, 12:42:20 am
I respond to every reported post notification that comes into my e-mail and am involved in the elite almost every single day for hours on end, including sinking incredible amounts of hours into maintaining a competitive ranking and staying in touch with everyone as they continue to play. During these hours, I learn a lot of what's going on currently with almost everyone.

With that said, I can only do so much as a board mod, not an admin. I can only delete/move posts and topics, not actually ban accounts. This is something that lies on the shoulders of DK, Scott, Ngamer, and Come - all who are very busy folk, as am I and most everyone else here.

It might not be a terrible idea to go back into "approval-only" mode for board registration, as most of the newbies in the RSS feed don't post their PRs in any topic anyway.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: AZ on March 06, 2013, 01:05:51 am
I didn't check the boards for like a day or so as I wasn't home at that time, and when I returned I was suddenly a GE board mod. I'm flattered people wanted me for the job, but I never asked specifically to become a board mod (and all I've done since is deleting like 5 posts and sticky one topic or so), neither did I thank Jon for electing me. I think Karl or any other respected member would be a better board mod than me. I'd be happy enough to keep modding the rankings as I've done everything in my power to keep the ranks as accurate as possible (under the guidelines of proof policies) since I became the updater.

So yeah, I'm now asking some of the current boards mods to de-mod me and at the same time replace me with other people that are more suitable for the job.

Thank you.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Softman25 on March 06, 2013, 02:33:33 am
You know what I see in Goose?

I see the 5 year old having a pity party for himself in the corner because mommy didn't buy him an ice cream.

You Goose, are a joke. I used to have a smidgen of respect left for you, but no longer. This is just the most pathetic action I've ever witnessed. I agree that there are incidents that have occurred which rightly so, should cause annoyance. Off hand, the "Ngamer refusing Karl mod because of some sleepathon" thing springs to mind as a legitimate complaint.

In the last couple of weeks, you have personally had serious objections to:

- Luke's Control being rolled back
- The mere suggestion and discussion of a possible alternate rankings system. (Alternate meaning in this case along side)
- Being removed from SRL - despite the explanation given.
- Your numerous "haters"
- Troll accounts being formed specifically against you. (antigoose etc etc)

Fucking off to create your own forums isn't going to solve anything. You as a person have the natural tendency to believe that you are right no matter what you say. I distinctly remember, in regards to your proof policy, that you thought it was "perfect". Nothing is perfect you arrogant shit. When people proceeded in that thread to make suggestions, you attacked them vividly and with malice, because people made suggestions that didn't conform to EXACTLY what you said. If it isn't your way, it's the highway.

I just want anyone who's thinking of migrating over to the Goose boards to think about that. How many people are going to get shunned or banned for simply disagreeing with God Al-fucking-mighty.

I also find it commonly petty that you "retire" to a "hiatus" and your first action - within 48 hours - is to create a new set of boards. Nothing else, just stage mutiny. Pathetic.

I would note that copies of this have been sent to Goose and Ancient Text - so this is getting to him one way or the other. I'm disgusted by this chain of events.

Personally, I'm waiting for Goose to come back and say "You're not a top player Softman, your disgust doesn't mean anything to me, Ryan White, #7 in the world, top Goldeneye player". Well, you know where you can stick it dickhead.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on March 06, 2013, 02:42:20 am
Your explanation as to my removal from SRL is a shitty one; if I was removed for not racing enough, then why were none of Cara, Ace, Illu or Marc removed?

Many people have suggested that because you both have the ins on the SRL community, as well as having a dislike for me, that YOU asked an admin there to remove me.  I'm starting to see that as a viable possibility.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 06, 2013, 02:49:23 am
Quote from: Ancient Text on March 06, 2013, 02:42:20 am
Many people have suggested

I would bet my life this is a typical Goose overstatement.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: flukey lukey on March 06, 2013, 02:52:02 am
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#7 in the world


#6 in the world
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 06, 2013, 02:53:37 am
Quote from: homeonice on March 06, 2013, 02:52:02 am
Quote
#7 in the world


#6 in the world

I think this was a reference to me being better than Goose.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Softman25 on March 06, 2013, 03:02:12 am
Quote from: homeonice on March 06, 2013, 02:52:02 am
#6 in the world

My bad on that.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on March 06, 2013, 04:15:56 am
Quote from: Softman25 on March 06, 2013, 02:33:33 am
I would note that copies of this have been sent to Goose and Ancient Text

 :kappa: :nesquik: :kappa:
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on March 06, 2013, 05:19:51 am
I do not like this idea of having another forum. I mean yes, you can go ahead and create your own "utopia" but I'd rather stay here. This place has been building for many years now and it would be shit for it all to go to waste. I'm not saying that there are absolutely no issues at all on this forum but everything can be fixed.
There aren't many things the staff here can do about the troll accounts. Banning as soon as there is the scent of troll would not be fair as like someone said previously, he/she could be a new player.

The major problem I guess we're all itching about is the tenuous connection between the moderators/administrators and the other members of the community. The elite council was a good step forward for deciding on the major decisions the community had to make or rather the council members had to make. However, there still seems to be problems with administrators or moderators being inactive. Some moderators like Jimbo, Axel Z and other staff members like DK have built strong bonds with everyone here and they're definitely very admirable.
I guess the only solution is that the staff should make a bigger effort to be more active on the fora. If they have the inability to do so because of whatever they are busy with in real life then they should step down. We do not need people who's activity is really sporadic with generally large intervals between times of activity. Even if the player has done so much in the past, it was done in the past. They deserve the respect for accomplishing such things but it does not necessarily mean they deserve a staff position as well, especially if they're inactive.

Connections need to be built.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: ManceGaydar on March 06, 2013, 05:59:26 am
Imagine joining a board where Goose is the admin LOL.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Your Eliteness on March 06, 2013, 06:39:28 am
The idea of taking my rankings code and using it against me makes me angry. There's 8 years of experience and about 200 hours of labour right there. You would be paying $30,000 for that to be developed through my workplace, yet I've only received $100 in donations and haven't asked for any more. I made it out of compassion because I want to see the Elite community continue to thrive.

When people in the community ask for a new feature, I take the time out of my life to sit down and implement it. I'll have you know I'm planning a new version with separate rankings for each league, but just haven't had the time to work on it. After seeing this topic I don't feel very motivated to continue that project.

One of the reasons I open sourced the rankings and put them on GitHub was so they could be maintained if I disappear. This seems to have backfired on me, so I've now removed the repo from GitHub. I request that the code no longer be shared with others or set up as an alternative rankings.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on March 06, 2013, 06:59:21 am
The rankings aren't being used against you in any way, shape or form.  Your rankings are the best rankings system in the entire speedrun world.  Having them open source is Jimmy Wales and Julian Assange level of nobility.

The-elite clearly is not thriving, but is failing in many aspects.  Would you not rather see your hard work used (with full credits to you) on a website that is successful and well moderated?

You charge $150/hour?  Holy fuck I picked the wrong career path.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Darth Vader on March 06, 2013, 07:43:01 am
Goose has declared war! :D
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: flukey lukey on March 06, 2013, 08:16:45 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1UwnMJ-5KE
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Shadow on March 06, 2013, 08:52:47 am
Wow, what a thing to wake up to.

To all the folks like Flash, Third, DK, Ngamer, Youse etc., please don't think the majority hate you. Let me publicly say THANK YOU! It's clearly Goose and Karl dominating the rancor of this thread.

Goose: Someone who rants and raves at the slightest provocation is not someone whose authority I want to be under. I imagine any sort of post you take offense to you will immediately delete or alter or ban the person entirely. You're welcome to claim otherwise but I would be willing to bet that your dictatorship would be ten times worse than that which we now "endure" (sarcasm intended). I can't even begin to describe the hypocrisy I've seen.

Karl: if the reaction upon being rejected for a mod is to try to help destroy the forums, then in retrospect the decision was an excellent one. It shows pettiness and peevishness to the nth degree.

Goose again: I'd like to share publicly part of a conversation I was unfortunately a part of, shortened for brevity's sake:

Spoiler
December 20, 2012
Goose: no but seriously the worst part would be all the retards who care 0 about the elite like Ngamer THiradell, Scott, etc, saying Henning should be banned permanently
>> not understanding how shitty that would make the rankings
>> yet thinking they are GOD themselves
...
Goose: and honestly if your times were removed permanently, I would join Clemens in removing my times
» I'd claim they were all fake and they'd have to ban me
» then 3 of top 7 are gone and its like lol...
» it might actually be a good way to destroy the elite, if we ever do get a new site up and running
...
Goose: then everyone goes to the new site, though they probably wold anyways
Shadow: *sigh* this used to be such a pleasant community.
Goose: and YE made the rankings "open source" apparently so anyone can use them
...
Shadow: Have you tried talking to Jon "nicely"?
Henning: 34 pace?
Shadow: Or Derek?
Goose: it's a lost cause Logan
» I've tried for 6 yeras
» they want nothing to do with the gaming aspect of the community
» that is clear as day to anyone
...
Shadow: I just sent an email to Derek. We keep in touch from time to time.
Shadow: I think you overestimate the number of discontented
Goose: well all the top players are discontented
» which is what is important
Shadow: Rayan and Marc?
...
Shadow: Derek says "I am all for having more active, semi-veteran posters to get involved as moderators."
Shadow: And basically says supreme control probably resides in Jon.
Goose: you just talked to Derek?
Shadow: Yeah.
Goose: he responded to you?
» I don't believe it
» it's a miracle
Shadow: Sure.
» I'm nice.

When I asked Derek about it, he said you'd never contacted him about this. Seemingly you rant and rave and complain loudly but never try to actually talk to people, at least civilly. How do you know they are unreasonable if they don't know? Everyone I've talked to for the last 12 years I've been here has been more than willing. Youse has helped me out quite a bit, Jon and Derek have both been responsive, I've had my PMs answered clearly. Within minutes Derek, Ryan, and Jimbo had answered questions put to them. It really doesn't seem like they are the problem.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: .. on March 06, 2013, 08:55:36 am
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I don't like Come because he's not active on the boards, he shows up 6 months later with a post just to show his authority again. Blocks an active topic because he doesn't like its content. Has no value to the elite at all.

Just because I don't post on the boards daily in every topic doesn't mean I'm not active.  I still read everything.  Which active topic did I block because I didn't like its' content?  If you want a forum full of trolls and useless posts, go try those ever-popular boards that Goose just made.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Light on March 06, 2013, 09:09:21 am
Goose as an admin of a site? Jesus, just ban him from this one, nothing but a massive cancer.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: OHMSS on March 06, 2013, 09:19:18 am
Yes closing the truth topic was retarded, but if imperfect elite administration is seriously your biggest problem and makes you go off the rails and berserk, then please, get a life for fuck's sake. Go outside and see the sun, do some sudokus, discuss life with bums in the park, write a poem about your dreary days or whatever, just log off and do something different.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: .. on March 06, 2013, 09:24:49 am
Quote from: OHMSS on March 06, 2013, 09:19:18 am
Yes closing the truth topic was retarded, but if imperfect elite administration is seriously your biggest problem and makes you go off the rails and berserk, then please, get a life for fuck's sake. Go outside and see the sun, do some sudokus, discuss life with bums in the park, write a poem about your dreary days or whatever, just log off and do something different.
Quote from: OHMSS on March 06, 2013, 09:19:18 am
Yes closing the truth topic was retarded, but if imperfect elite administration is seriously your biggest problem and makes you go off the rails and berserk, then please, get a life for fuck's sake. Go outside and see the sun, do some sudokus, discuss life with bums in the park, write a poem about your dreary days or whatever, just log off and do something different.

Because the last 30-50 posts in that topic weren't complete spam or anything.

And the majority of that topic wasn't a bunch of people just trolling.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: ManceGaydar on March 06, 2013, 09:59:47 am
Bit disappointed with Karl here, it's almost like he's been influenced by Goose and brought down to his level.

Shadow seems like pretty much the only guy that entirely sees the situation for what it is.

A spoilt child with exceptional writing skills is a dangerous combination.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Thiradell on March 06, 2013, 10:18:59 am
So based on what's been said, does anyone want to put forth a name (that hasn't been put forth yet) for someone they'd like to see become a mod? Axel Z is stepping down, and we'll still have the Elite Council if any controversies come up.

If someone else would like to take over PD proof calls, that's fine too. Chatting briefly with me or Axel
on the basics of it wouldn't hurt, but honestly it's pretty straightforward.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Shadow on March 06, 2013, 10:24:59 am
Proof mod? In no particular order I'd suggest any of Bryan, Rayan, Henrik, Illu (who I believe declined last time), or Jimbo, for starters.

Edit: I hope Axel isn't stepping down over this fiasco though. He's been a good mod.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Thiradell on March 06, 2013, 10:27:18 am
I think we're looking more for board/troll control mods based on the complaints brought up in the thread. That's a solid list of names anyway though. DK was appointed recently to help out, but further suggestions are welcome.

Axel was appointed without his consent and never wanted the job anyway, if I understand correctly. He will continue to mod the ranks and do proofcalls.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: AZ on March 06, 2013, 10:41:20 am
someone like antibieber would be a better board mod than me
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: ManceGaydar on March 06, 2013, 10:54:33 am
I didn't want to take that role, but I reluctantly accept your offer for the good of the people.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Henning Blom on March 06, 2013, 12:01:32 pm
Insane topic, I checked the boards before I went to bed and by then it wasnt created yet, and has already reached 3 pages :P

Quote from: Your-Eliteness on March 06, 2013, 06:39:28 am
After seeing this topic I don't feel very motivated to continue that project.

:(

Quote from: Thiradell on March 06, 2013, 10:18:59 am
If someone else would like to take over PD proof calls, that's fine too.

If you really don't have time to do it and noone else wants to, I can take care of that since I follow PD as well, basically every day. That is if people are fine with that.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: youseinthehouse on March 06, 2013, 01:58:52 pm
Quote from: Your-Eliteness on March 06, 2013, 06:39:28 am
The idea of taking my rankings code and using it against me makes me angry. There's 8 years of experience and about 200 hours of labour right there. You would be paying $30,000 for that to be developed through my workplace, yet I've only received $100 in donations and haven't asked for any more. I made it out of compassion because I want to see the Elite community continue to thrive.

When people in the community ask for a new feature, I take the time out of my life to sit down and implement it. I'll have you know I'm planning a new version with separate rankings for each league, but just haven't had the time to work on it. After seeing this topic I don't feel very motivated to continue that project.

One of the reasons I open sourced the rankings and put them on GitHub was so they could be maintained if I disappear. This seems to have backfired on me, so I've now removed the repo from GitHub. I request that the code no longer be shared with others or set up as an alternative rankings.

This is a total shame, although I understand your frustration in the face of this ill-conceived fracas.  Let me be clear to you that my thread discussing the merits of alternative rankings formats is entirely unrelated to this short-sighted attempt to steal the community, or whatever.  Our experimenting was meant solely to effect positive change in The Elite itself.

Because we had your code, we were able to put our ideas into practice without bothering you for programming time or even support.  As the person who originally asked if you would open your code up, I really appreciated your willingness and was truly thankful for the possibilities it opened up.  I would still urge you to reconsider your choice of privatizing the code, perhaps after things cool back down.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: wheatrich on March 06, 2013, 02:24:36 pm
Mirrormage for mod
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Shadow on March 06, 2013, 02:30:16 pm
I thought about Mirrormage (he's on often enough) but in all honesty, Mirrormage, Softman, or myself (for example) are really only recently active and haven't set much of a precedence for continuing activity for an extended period of time. I would expect any of us to just lose interest any moment and disappear for years altogether. >_>

And antibieber?  :nesquik:
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Softman25 on March 06, 2013, 04:07:35 pm
Quote from: Shadow on March 06, 2013, 02:30:16 pm
I thought about Mirrormage (he's on often enough) but in all honesty, Mirrormage, Softman, or myself (for example) are really only recently active and haven't set much of a precedence for continuing activity for an extended period of time. I would expect any of us to just lose interest any moment and disappear for years altogether. >_>

Hell, even if I wanted mod - I wouldn't consider me for mod!  :nesquik:
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 06, 2013, 05:14:24 pm
The largest irony is that all the people who say "omg goose is a fag blaze it 420" are the ones who the top players don't want as a part of our new community anyways.  You're all complaining that the top players are leaving, but ultimately we don't care.  So why do you care?  This community has not been about GE/PD for you people for at least 8+ years now.  It will survive without us.  You will have even more discussion on ASOIF, NFL, etc, and less GE/PD trolls messing things up for you.  This benefits EVERYONE!

Quote from: comeasur33 on March 06, 2013, 08:55:36 am
Just because I don't post on the boards daily in every topic doesn't mean I'm not active.  I still read everything.  Which active topic did I block because I didn't like its' content?  If you want a forum full of trolls and useless posts, go try those ever-popular boards that Goose just made.

This is the biggest troll post in the entire history of the elite forums.  You closed Marc's Truth topic.  If you don't like what was in it, don't read it.  Or move it to FFA.  Stop executing the limited power you have here because you don't feel powerful enough in your daily life.  Sorcery, bitch.

Quote from: Shadow on March 06, 2013, 08:52:47 am
When I asked Derek about it, he said you'd never contacted him about this. Seemingly you rant and rave and complain loudly but never try to actually talk to people, at least civilly. How do you know they are unreasonable if they don't know? Everyone I've talked to for the last 12 years I've been here has been more than willing. Youse has helped me out quite a bit, Jon and Derek have both been responsive, I've had my PMs answered clearly. Within minutes Derek, Ryan, and Jimbo had answered questions put to them. It really doesn't seem like they are the problem.

You are correct.  It's easier for me to rant and rave and complain in public than it is to get a response from the administrators.  Leave Derek out of this as he is no longer involved in anything aside from paying a few bucks to host the site.  From 2005-2008 Ngamer would never respond to any of my IMs, Facebook messages, emails, about anything.  Lately he has been decent responding to emails about FTP to the speedrunwiki site, which is cool.  But when it comes to stuff like moderation and administration of the site, he doesn't respond, nor does he believe me when I tell him the facts.

Unfortunately people have always hated me due to having a colorful personality, and as a result they are less willing to help me when I reach out to them.  Topics like this are the only way for me to elicit a response effectively, which is exactly what I've done here.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Thiradell on March 06, 2013, 05:43:17 pm
"The largest irony is that all the people who say "omg goose is a fag blaze it 420" are the ones who the top players don't want as a part of our new community anyways.  You're all complaining that the top players are leaving, but ultimately we don't care.  So why do you care?  This community has not been about GE/PD for you people for at least 8+ years now.  It will survive without us.  You will have even more discussion on ASOIF, NFL, etc, and less GE/PD trolls messing things up for you.  This benefits EVERYONE!"

It can't be about all of that? No, many people don't care about GE/PD as much as they used to, but that doesn't mean we have to segregate. There's no need for any kind of animosity; Jimbo and Clemens are great examples of people who are very, very interested in the games and also are involved in a lot of other stuff. Jimbo in general, Clemens with werewolf there for awhile. Jimbo and DK are both mods going forward, and in terms of maintaining the ranks, Axel Z is as enthusiastic as anyone here (not perfect, no, no one here is).

As I've said before, it's okay to take time to make decisions, but it's also okay to make those decisions when decisions clearly need to be made. We've created the Elite Council to expedite that process, avoiding me or anyone else having to make over-aggressive assertions.

The fact of the matter, though, Goose, is that topics like this are ludicrous, and I don't see why you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously when you do stuff like this. You're also radical and sporadic in terms of activity and ideas, and generally, those are two things that won't be beneficial for a community at large. I understand that everything you do comes from an intense personal desire that goes beyond trolling, but you have to control that. I'm not sure what response you were even trying to elicit with this topic, other than forcing people to deal with it because, well, we care. If we didn't care about this community, we would stop arguing and let you guys mod it however you wanted to.

"Leave Derek out of this as he is no longer involved in anything aside from paying a few bucks to host the site."

This kind of callous disregard for someone who has done as much work as Derek has makes me really mad. It's also 100% wrong, so there's that.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Infil on March 06, 2013, 06:56:30 pm
The only explanation I can think of for this topic is Goose's desire to type something and watch everyone jump around while he has a huge grin on his face. There's been so little substance and merit to any of his claims (let alone blatant disregard for people who've invested real money and real work hours into building the site, like Derek and YE) that there really can be nothing more to it than an attempt to flame bait the entire Elite. And it's kind of working, because the mods HAVE to respond to these ridiculous claims as best they can; as Third said, they can't just sit there and do nothing, because doing something proves they care about the community.

Nobody hates you because you have a colorful personality. People dislike you because you don't show people respect, start drama just for the sake of it, intentionally piss people off based on some false sense of justice over petty things nobody should care about, flip-flop constantly about key issues, and cry wolf about everything, then complain when people don't respond to you.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Neo on March 06, 2013, 07:02:38 pm
Quote from: youseinthehouse on March 06, 2013, 01:58:52 pm
Quote from: Your-Eliteness on March 06, 2013, 06:39:28 am
The idea of taking my rankings code and using it against me makes me angry. There's 8 years of experience and about 200 hours of labour right there. You would be paying $30,000 for that to be developed through my workplace, yet I've only received $100 in donations and haven't asked for any more. I made it out of compassion because I want to see the Elite community continue to thrive.

When people in the community ask for a new feature, I take the time out of my life to sit down and implement it. I'll have you know I'm planning a new version with separate rankings for each league, but just haven't had the time to work on it. After seeing this topic I don't feel very motivated to continue that project.

One of the reasons I open sourced the rankings and put them on GitHub was so they could be maintained if I disappear. This seems to have backfired on me, so I've now removed the repo from GitHub. I request that the code no longer be shared with others or set up as an alternative rankings.

This is a total shame, although I understand your frustration in the face of this ill-conceived fracas.  Let me be clear to you that my thread discussing the merits of alternative rankings formats is entirely unrelated to this short-sighted attempt to steal the community, or whatever.  Our experimenting was meant solely to effect positive change in The Elite itself.

Because we had your code, we were able to put our ideas into practice without bothering you for programming time or even support.  As the person who originally asked if you would open your code up, I really appreciated your willingness and was truly thankful for the possibilities it opened up.  I would still urge you to reconsider your choice of privatizing the code, perhaps after things cool back down.

Agree with all of this, and you know how much I've loved your rankings since the day I found out about them! Open source and a free-for-all license aren't the same thing, it's perfectly reasonable to accept contributions and still restrict its usage to the-elite.net, which I've always assumed is the case now anyway. If I was even remotely familiar with the LAMP stack I'd have contributed something worthwhile long ago.


Back on topic, I'd be lying if I said I've been overly impressed with some of the going-ons as of late, but driving a wedge through the community seems like a great way to make it a whole lot worse. I don't think there's anyone with responsibility around here who can't be reasoned with, so how about we all just take a deep breath and tackle these issues one at a time instead of constantly talking in generics and hypotheticals?

In any case, seems like Infil & Third and the like are articulating things better than I can, so if I were to comment on what I'd like to see around here, I'd start with simply a clearer set of rules (I know we had the proof topic not long ago, but I can't for the life of me find them since) and more transparency on the whole.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Softman25 on March 06, 2013, 07:07:21 pm
In regards to splitting a wedge in the community - based by sign ups on the "other" forum - you've done a damn good job Goose.

Congratulations idiot.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on March 06, 2013, 07:23:02 pm
Quote from: AxZ on March 06, 2013, 10:41:20 am
someone like antibieber would be a better board mod than me

 :nesquik:
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 06, 2013, 07:25:36 pm
The wedge in the community has existed for a long time before now.  You've been here for 4 months  Softman.  Topics like this have happened dozens of times over the past 10 years. Congratulations on seeing it for the first time now.

The elite is basically like a skyscraper with a bunch of top level executives on the top floor.  These are the Ngamers, Comes, etc.  They just sit there and do nothing, looking fancy, feeling powerful, while the rest of the elite, the common workers, are milling around on the lower floors.  The executives don't even talk to the common workers.  They simply sit there to feel powerful over a population.

Now people on the lower floors are upset.  They decide to leave.  Obviously the executives get upset.  Not because they care.  But because they no longer feel powerful.

Claiming that moderators and administrators showing up in this thread shows that they "care" is entirely misunderstood.  They simply feel they are losing the power they once held.  And that is scary to them.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: OHMSS on March 06, 2013, 07:30:42 pm
So the hysterical drama queen became the Ian Stuart or rather the Yoko Ono of speedrunning. What a mess.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 06, 2013, 07:33:49 pm
It's a joke that this whole nonsense has happened, and not ONCE have any of Ngamer, Come, Thiradell, asked what the common people want from them.  To put it simply, we want new administrators and moderators in the community, and we don't want those people having any administrative role at all.  This is not news.  We've been preaching this for years now.  Please step down and maybe we can resolve this.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Softman25 on March 06, 2013, 07:34:27 pm
I'd like you to produce any other thread where a member has decided to create a new forum in order to drive the wedge further.

I've seen plenty of whinge threads - I look through archives. (no pun  :nesquik:)
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 06, 2013, 07:39:31 pm
Wouter Jansen, arguably the greatest, most respected and most influential eliter of all time, had a private board for only the top GE players around 2004-2008 while Yuku was still half decent.

He made this because he was fed up with the elite's administration and moderation being inconsistent with proof calls, video quality, and videos needed to claim WRs.

Your move.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Softman25 on March 06, 2013, 07:42:33 pm
And look where Wouter ended up. Good man I say.

See you in a year or two Goose.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on March 06, 2013, 07:46:19 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZ9weP5i68
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: AZ on March 06, 2013, 07:50:13 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDjf4bmPRWM
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Sniper Patrol Troll on March 06, 2013, 07:59:13 pm
http://tehurn.com/
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: OHMSS on March 06, 2013, 08:24:25 pm
Quote from: Sniper Patrol on March 06, 2013, 07:59:13 pm
http://tehurn.com/

And who knows this classic piece of music?

Spoiler
Dragostea Din Tei (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRx5PrAlUdY&t=55s)
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: ManceGaydar on March 06, 2013, 08:49:34 pm
So when am I becoming mod?
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: ManceGaydar on March 06, 2013, 08:54:45 pm
But seriously you're just feeding the troll (Goose) and this is coming from a troll (AntiGoose). He's throwing his toys out of the pram over basically nothing, and I don't know why you guys even respond. It's exactly what he wants. He has barely anything going on his life, and to create this much drama which involves a thread with 4 pages in a day and all of the respected members contributing their thoughts is paradise for Goose.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Wouter Jansen on March 06, 2013, 08:57:48 pm
Quote from: Zenith Legend on March 06, 2013, 07:39:31 pm
Wouter Jansen, arguably the greatest, most respected and most influential eliter of all time, had a private board for only the top GE players around 2004-2008 while Yuku was still half decent.

He made this because he was fed up with the elite's administration and moderation being inconsistent with proof calls, video quality, and videos needed to claim WRs.

Your move.

You're full of assumptions. You know nothing about my reasons. You were one of my main reasons. I can't handle negative energy well, and am learning to handle it even to this day, trying to respond in a still respectful way without shutting down altogether due to that energy. You constantly spread negative energy.

I think the admins and mods are mostly quite capable of their roles. They can communicate without getting hostile as well. They are not a tyranny, whereas one run by you, would be, if you keep treating people like you do.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Softman25 on March 06, 2013, 09:01:25 pm
Quote from: Wouter Jansen on March 06, 2013, 08:57:48 pm
You're full of assumptions. You know nothing about my reasons. You were one of my main reasons. I can't handle negative energy well, and am learning to handle it even to this day, trying to respond in a still respectful way without shutting down altogether due to that energy. You constantly spread negative energy.

I think the admins and mods are mostly quite capable of their roles. They can communicate without getting hostile as well. They are not a tyranny, whereas one run by you, would be, if you keep treating people like you do.

Your move Goose.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: AZ on March 06, 2013, 09:03:27 pm
Quote from: Softman25 on March 06, 2013, 09:01:25 pm
Quote from: Wouter Jansen on March 06, 2013, 08:57:48 pm
You're full of assumptions. You know nothing about my reasons. You were one of my main reasons. I can't handle negative energy well, and am learning to handle it even to this day, trying to respond in a still respectful way without shutting down altogether due to that energy. You constantly spread negative energy.

I think the admins and mods are mostly quite capable of their roles. They can communicate without getting hostile as well. They are not a tyranny, whereas one run by you, would be, if you keep treating people like you do.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: ManceGaydar on March 06, 2013, 09:07:10 pm
Quote from: Wouter Jansen on March 06, 2013, 08:57:48 pm
Quote from: Zenith Legend on March 06, 2013, 07:39:31 pm
Wouter Jansen, arguably the greatest, most respected and most influential eliter of all time, had a private board for only the top GE players around 2004-2008 while Yuku was still half decent.

He made this because he was fed up with the elite's administration and moderation being inconsistent with proof calls, video quality, and videos needed to claim WRs.

Your move.

You're full of assumptions. You know nothing about my reasons. You were one of my main reasons. I can't handle negative energy well, and am learning to handle it even to this day, trying to respond in a still respectful way without shutting down altogether due to that energy. You constantly spread negative energy.

I think the admins and mods are mostly quite capable of their roles. They can communicate without getting hostile as well. They are not a tyranny, whereas one run by you, would be, if you keep treating people like you do.

(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabovethelaw.com%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F02%2FYou-Got-Served-youve-been-service-of-process.gif&hash=6b18f1cd5dd2287bc869d83b5fb910c781b7338f)
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 06, 2013, 09:08:06 pm
I've spent thousands of hours playing GE and PD. 3rd biggest time cutter for GE and 2nd biggest time cutter for PD. I was there 13 years ago argueing with Wes that we need an automated ranking for GE. I've helped a great deal take the game to the next level. My fast times guide at gamefaqs brought many people to discover speed running.

Shadow I have done far more for this game and this community than you have or ever will. I wanted to be a mod and help make a better place, and most people also agreed it would be a good idea. It was denied for no reason. You know why though? Because people like you and ngamer do not give a fuck about the players.

As mentioned previously I'm no longer submitting times to the elite. It's not because I want to 'destroy' the website as you so stupidly put it. It's because I'm not happy here. It shouldn't bother you though, just get another IT wiz to make another fancy feature for you. Who needs great players when you have a great summer contest and great UI on the boards.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: TheFlash on March 06, 2013, 09:42:03 pm
Quote from: karljobst on March 06, 2013, 09:08:06 pm
I wanted to be a mod and help make a better place, and most people also agreed it would be a good idea.

Axel Z decided he didn't want the responsibility of being a moderator on this forum.  Based on his advice, members of the Elite Council, an earlier topic regarding GE mod selection, and Ng's Magic 8 Ball, you have been added as a GE mod.  You're responsible for keeping trolling to a minimum, breaking up flame wars, and helping make sure everyone has a nice experience here.  Your new status allows you to delete posts, lock and unlock topics, sticky topics, and modify posts.  Come has made a Forum Rules sticky in this section.  If you want to set down some new GE-specific rules, talk to the other GE mods and modify the post accordingly.  If you believe a user should be banned from the site, please bring it to the attention of DK, Thingy, Ngamer, or Come.

I'd advise you not to be too timid in your new role...if you notice things are going crazy somewhere, crack the whip! Maybe we can keep this place in good shape from now on.

antibieber: Your request was seriously considered but no one knows who you are or anything about you so you didn't quite make the cut.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Light on March 06, 2013, 09:44:07 pm
Quote from: Infil on March 06, 2013, 06:56:30 pm
Nobody hates you because you have a colorful personality. People dislike you because you don't show people respect, start drama just for the sake of it, intentionally piss people off based on some false sense of justice over petty things nobody should care about, flip-flop constantly about key issues, and cry wolf about everything, then complain when people don't respond to you.

Perfect tl;dr for Goose.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Lark on March 06, 2013, 09:49:08 pm
Wouter for mod.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: flukey lukey on March 06, 2013, 10:30:28 pm
Quote
My fast times guide at gamefaqs brought many people to discover speed running.

classic
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on March 06, 2013, 10:35:56 pm
Sniper for mod.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 06, 2013, 10:36:38 pm
Thanks for making me a mod. I don't think that I'm going to single handedly make this board utopia or anything, I may be a shit mod and may be booted out quickly (if by popular demand), but I'll give it my best shot. The first thing I already did was delete all of biebers posts from the GE board. Really not rocket science.

Quote from: homeonice on March 06, 2013, 10:30:28 pm
Quote
My fast times guide at gamefaqs brought many people to discover speed running.

classic

Luke, were you being sarcastic or serious? I can't tell.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 06, 2013, 10:47:27 pm
Quote from: Softman25 on March 06, 2013, 07:07:21 pm
In regards to splitting a wedge in the community - based by sign ups on the "other" forum - you've done a damn good job Goose.

Congratulations idiot.

This was never about splitting a wedge in the community. If we aren't happy here and want to create a new boards, it's not because we wish to destroy the elite and burn it to the ground MWUAHAHAHAHAA EVIL! It's because we're not happy being here and hope to be happy elsewhere. To think this is some vandetta against the elite is rediculous. Or at least it is from my perspective, I can't talk on behalf of Goose.

Granting me mod powers here though has made me more inclined to stay here and try to mould it into a better place.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: flukey lukey on March 06, 2013, 11:01:44 pm
no sarcasm karl, i remember finding your speedrun guide and marshmallow's guides before finding the-elite, and it was my first introduction to speedrunning. it's a classic in my opinion
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 06, 2013, 11:06:07 pm
Thanks man, means a lot to hear you say that.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 06, 2013, 11:16:56 pm
Yeah this was entirely made because;

- The top players weren't happy with the moderation and administration on the elite.  I can speak for many top players, including at least 12 of the top 30 (which translates to 12 of the top 15 active players) who have shared these thoughts with me.

- From my perspective it seemed like the non-players who administer and moderate the elite and the forum, as well as other non-players who are good friends with the admin and mods, simply did not care about the gaming aspect of the community.  I rarely if ever see these people in twitch chats (while they are in AIM chat constantly) nor do I see them participating in discussions surrounding GE/PD.  From this I believed that they did not care about the gaming portion of this community at all.

- I figured that separating communities, one for gaming, one for non-gaming, would make everyone happy.  The top gamers would be free of executive decisions they didn't like.  The non gamers would be indifferent and not have to deal with "trolling" from top players like Marc's Truth topic (as so defined as a troll topic by administrator Come.)

These were the reasons I did what I did.  I continue to believe my reasons are valid.  I do not believe that the non gamers care.  They ONLY show up in these sorts of threads when all hell is breaking loose.  They do not hang out in twitch chats or contribute to anything GE/PD related.  They can have their own site and be happy.  The top gamers can have their own site and be happy.  It is a win/win for everyone.  End of story.

And Wouter.  You made your own forum a long time before I joined the elite, so don't give me that shit.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Softman25 on March 06, 2013, 11:37:08 pm
To respond to your third dot point:

What about the executive choices YOU would then make, along with whoever you deputize. I don't know whether or not you see that all your doing is seating yourself in the power chair - but in a different place, an unestablished place etc etc.

I don't disagree that there are many things that have happened that could cause grievance. Some are legitimate. But there is more than one way to skin a cat, and you are just taking the machete approach, where you slice and dice everyone, causing so much destruction. All the cat skin and fur is everywhere, it's a mess. Things being a mess is a perfect definition for what has taken place here.

I would further argue that the same thing was done with the "introduction" of the proof policy and Elite Council. In both events, all that happened was I woke up and suddenly BAM - there it was, smack in the face. Things blindsiding people do not make them happy. Especially when you have supposedly retired. All that happened in this instance is that I came home from uni and suddenly - you're uprooting the forums and trying to move them under your own flag. Of course I was pissed off. I still am.

You can continue to believe your reasons were valid, whether they were or not is the issue, not your own subjective opinion.

I'd also point out that "not hanging out in twitch chats" is the lamest thing I've heard - ever. If my internet becomes shaped (wooo Australia!) I can't watch streams - ergo not "hang out in twitch chats". Does that mean I'm just a scumbag? According to what you said, yes. If I don't have deep insights into GE/PD, I'm a scumbag? (Not that it matters, because if my insight disagrees with yours you'd just shout me down anyway.)

Seriously, think about it Goose - come back when you get it.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on March 07, 2013, 12:23:42 am
People can be inactive in twitch yet still contribute. That wasn't the sole measure of a person's level of participation.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 07, 2013, 01:08:27 am

   Currently chatting In The Elite Chatroom: Im Ngamer, stinsonatwork, CHATSTATSRobot3, isthatagoodt, wheatrich, ackez1989, TopRogue7, CarathornPD, CieloAzor


There are at least 4 people in this group at this very moment who are constantly in the AIM chatroom, but never in twitch chats.  Their internet clearly works.  Someone like Clemens or Durk could completely disappear from the elite or twitch for a while due to internet issues.  That's not the problem here.  When you're CONSTANTLY in the AIM chatroom but still have never watched a GE/PD stream, nor can name more than 2 WRs, I think it's safe to say you don't give a single fuck about the games.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Neo on March 07, 2013, 01:15:26 am
The chatroom has always been a social thing, 10 years ago it was the same thing but with different people and different topics of discussion. "theelite" is the General Chat of IM.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 07, 2013, 01:22:58 am
Which is fine, if you're into that sort of thing.  From 2008-2010 I was the chatter who was most active in chat, according to CHATSTATSRobot3.

This doesn't mean that the people in that chatroom are actively involved with the gaming aspect of the elite, nor does it mean they are good moderators and administrators for the vast pallet of issues that arise within the elite community.  However, the moderators and administrators have almost exclusively come from people who are active in the chatroom; particularly those who have favor with Ngamer.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Neo on March 07, 2013, 01:42:11 am
Well what are we talking about here, forum mods/admins? Looking at the PD & GE forums now the moderators seem fine with the changes that have been made recently. Administrators seem like more of a technical role to me and should only be performing tasks that the mods can't. I can only think of a few cases where this has happened recently and don't see how that warrants a new board.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: TheFlash on March 07, 2013, 01:50:16 am
Okay, Goose, your call.

(https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.upload.speedrunwiki.com%2Fimages%2Fmisc%2FRegionCapture545.png&hash=85253ba5abc47c10e12f6696023d5fe2644cacc9)

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Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 07, 2013, 02:10:11 am
I have no beef with you Scott, aside from you sometimes banning random accounts which I believe should stay.

It's a fact that you're not very interested in GE/PD.  I don't see why this offends you?

Aside from that, you're actually a pretty decent administrator; especially in comparison to Ngamer and Come.  You've done a couple cool things for me, like changing the GE/PD videos links on the forum front page from the old thengamer.com to theelitewrvids right when I asked you.

However threatening to delete my account is a prime example of something an administrator should not do.  I respect your technical ability on the forum, and understand that you need to be an administrator to do what you do, but when it comes to these sorts of matters, I don't agree with what you do.

I just wish we could go back to like we were in 2008 when we were both girlfriendless naive guys on our quest to discover the world, chatting on AIM every day, being good friends...
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: TheFlash on March 07, 2013, 02:11:50 am
It's my account.  Hurry up and pick so I can go to bed.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 07, 2013, 02:12:30 am
Do it.

Good night.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: flukey lukey on March 07, 2013, 02:43:25 am
that's a long password
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: DYM on March 07, 2013, 04:06:14 am
I don't understand why deleting your account was necessary. I actually think you did a great job with porting the boards over to SRW, combining people's usernames, helping with tech-problems, including the Kappa and nesquik emoticons on the boards etc. I don't see a problem with you being an admin here since you actually help out the site. It's actually people like Ngamer who don't really do anything for the boards.

Meh, whatever. (https://forums.the-elite.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2F2wput4w.png&hash=4e39cec31f63ae27b3d2849eb6562dac38063142)
Title: Re: Proof Policy
Post by: TheFlash on March 07, 2013, 04:42:46 am
I didn't *actually* delete my account, don't worry! It's the most I could confuse Goose without being mean and banning him or being silly and making him Admin ;)
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Darth Vader on March 07, 2013, 05:41:09 am
 :nesquik:
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Carathorn on March 07, 2013, 07:55:25 am
This topic gave me cancer.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Shadow on March 07, 2013, 08:04:23 am
Goose, despite your claims that "all the top players" are fed up and stuff, I haven't seen massive migration to your new forum. I think your assessment of the problem is overblown. The mods aren't perfect but they're willing to listen and it seems by far that most people are willing to stick around. And Wouter is correct, you exude the most "negative energy" of anyone I've ever seen. You have certainly contributed, but you also make the boards a very unpleasant place sometimes.

Karl, I don't mean to diminish your gaming achievements at all, you're one of the all-time greats in my book. But it's a completely different set of skills that is needed for moderator. Proof mod is also completely different than board mod. I would be a terrible proof mod but it's likely I would be a good board mod (but I shouldn't be).

Now that you are moderator, I will try to respect your decisions and trust you not to abuse your power.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on March 07, 2013, 08:18:21 am
So.

- Don't go to Goose's forum.

- Talk to the staff about trying to be more active.

- Hire or fire new people for staff.

- Pew pew.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Dark Slayer on March 07, 2013, 08:28:05 am
Quote from: homeonice on March 07, 2013, 02:43:25 am
that's a long password

LOL my first thought exactly. That must be like the safest password ever.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 07, 2013, 12:06:08 pm
Thingy, you "deleting" your account wouldn't make me happy.

You continuing to be a good administrator in the technical aspect of the boards, while letting someone else administer the social aspect of the boards, is what would make me happy.

Ngamer and Come having no role would make me happy.

DK and Thingy could probably exclusively administer the boards and that alone would make this place 10x better.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Henning Blom on March 07, 2013, 01:22:11 pm
Yes Scott is a good admin. I would'nt want to see him go because it would only harm the-elite if anything so I'm glad he was trolling earlier. He does what he's supposed to do and is reasonable + he's been on twitch watching us play too so way to go Scott!

I'm glad to see that the policy is up now at least. Thats good because I was about to request where the heck it was but the "lame" lines doesnt look very good imo.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Light on March 07, 2013, 01:37:03 pm
Need to edit those out imo.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 07, 2013, 01:45:53 pm
It was like a first revision of the proof policy.

Eventually I'll put up a more finalized version on SRW for easy editing and availability to all.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on March 07, 2013, 04:25:01 pm
Yeah, proof policy looks good.  "lame" lines could be more "professionally" delivered, but other than that, it looks great!  It seems like, for when things come up that nobody sees coming or issues that may need to be revisited, the actual topic that is locked (the one with the posted proof policy) should be unlocked.

If there are people that are going to act swiftly on garbage posts (which are posted a lot), than I think it should be unlocked and open for all to post thoughts for inclusions, revision ideas, etc.  Posting about the proof policy in this topic is off subject, but I wasn't sure where else to post it.  Plus it had  been mentioned in a few other posts in this topic.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: speedruntrainer on March 08, 2013, 04:14:48 am
Quote from: Carathorn on March 07, 2013, 07:55:25 am
This topic gave me cancer.

Indeed. And the whole GE boards nowadays.
A reason to play PD :nesquik:
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Smit on March 10, 2013, 06:37:56 am
Wow..

1. Goose makes a "semi-retirement" topic
2. goose finds out nobody cares about him leaving the-elite
3. ...
4. Make whine thread in order to get some attention
5. drame queen  :kappa:
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on March 10, 2013, 07:56:47 am
what's a 'drame queen'
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 10, 2013, 02:19:27 pm
Look, Eise finally signed out of his antibieber account!
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Henning Blom on March 10, 2013, 04:39:19 pm
Who is "Else"? :kappa:
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Darth Vader on March 10, 2013, 10:02:11 pm
Quote from: Henning Blom on March 10, 2013, 04:39:19 pm
Who is "Else"? :kappa:

Lol owned
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on March 10, 2013, 10:06:25 pm
Quote from: InkosiDeVinyl on March 10, 2013, 10:02:11 pm
Quote from: Henning Blom on March 10, 2013, 04:39:19 pm
Who is "Else"? :kappa:

Lol owned

Who is Lol? Oh wait no...
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 10, 2013, 11:49:43 pm
Unlocking topic. Topics should not be locked just because the last few posts weren't interesting to you.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Darth Vader on March 11, 2013, 07:27:26 am
By what i've seen so far, Karl is already the best Board mod we've ever had.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Shadow on March 11, 2013, 08:16:15 am
Quote from: karljobst on March 10, 2013, 11:49:43 pm
Unlocking topic. Topics should not be locked just because the last few posts weren't interesting to you.

Support this. Locked topics should be a rare, rare occurrence, not for people getting off topic or whatever because then the next person who wants to be on-topic can't post.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: the Blueline Goddess on March 12, 2013, 12:12:51 am
I'm on a forum that's mostly female (just based on the subject matter, much like the forum is mostly male) and we don't seem to have nearly the amount of bitchiness that you guys seem to have here. 

On that forum, topics are only locked if they get way out of hand (and that means like... posting personal information about someone without their consent, or posting porn pictures, stuff like that).  If someone decides to be a whiny kid they usually get a reality check and then everyone moves on.  If a member goes too overboard they are typically issued a (private) warning and then life goes on.  No one knows about the warning except the mod and the person they warned (and possibly other mods, just as a "hey, watch out for this person in case they keep posting stuff that isn't right"). 

Yes, some people got a stick up their butt and left in a childish rage over completely minor things (I mean, it's a hobby, if it's this stressful, maybe it's not the right hobby for you) but many more people have stayed for years and years (I've been on the forum there since 2004, and I'm not the "oldest" poster by a long shot). 

Locked topics are rare and NOTHING EVER GETS DELETED.  If you can't stand behind your words, you shouldn't say them in the first place.  Sure, we all have a post or two that is something we don't quite believe anymore, but that's the beauty of life - your views evolve over time.  There are some gals on the board that I used to always butt heads with that now we talk regularly on Facebook or through emails. 

If a bunch of hormonal women can do it, there is hope for a bunch of videogame nerds.  Really.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 12, 2013, 05:50:03 am
Then tell that to your husband and his best friend Ngamer since they are the ones who lock topics, delete topics, and fail to issue warnings.  Aka they are poor moderators which we've been saying for the past 10 years.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Shadow on March 12, 2013, 08:00:22 am
Quote from: Zenith Legend on March 12, 2013, 05:50:03 am
Then tell that to your husband and his best friend Ngamer since they are the ones who lock topics, delete topics, and fail to issue warnings.  Aka they are poor moderators which we've been saying for the past 10 years.
**WHOOOOSH***
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SgtRaven on March 12, 2013, 02:19:02 pm
I was only going to take a 15 minute lunch and it ended up being an hour so I figured I might as well post in here. As a borderline Irrel/Veteran this topic bugs me to no end.
Karl, I'm glad to see you finally got the Modding ability you wanted. In my opinion, the reason holding you back was complete shit. But it's over now. Good job, you deserve it bro, much respect.

As soon as Goose realizes that he himself is the biggest problem then things here will begin to look better. I'm not sure it's immaturity, nature desire for attention, a drama queen, personality disorder or a combination there-of but please man, as you look around the-elite looking for problems don't overlook yourself. The things you have started, the shit you have done.

Things might not be perfect and they aren't going to be. Acting the way you are acting is making things worse. Not better.
To be a true leader you need followers. If you present a better place and have followers then naturally all will follow. Go over to your boards and wait and see what happens. The answer will be clear to you.

I look forward to being part of the solution, not the problem.

Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Darth Vader on March 12, 2013, 03:30:52 pm
Quote from: SgtRaven on March 12, 2013, 02:19:02 pm
as you look around the-elite looking for problems don't overlook yourself.


Goose would always overlook himself :kappa:
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 12, 2013, 05:46:46 pm
Dan Edeen posting Level 2 average nonsense again.  A good leader does not create followers. A good leader creates other leaders. And look how many new leaders I have lead to stream on twicth and SRL. It speaks for itself.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: ManceGaydar on March 12, 2013, 06:55:03 pm
Even if every member on the entire forum told Goose he was acting like a penis, he would still find a way to justify his behaviour.

If you don't ever admit that you're wrong, you will never learn from your mistakes and therefore never grow as a person. That is why you still have the emotional maturity of a 5 year old, Goose.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 12, 2013, 07:08:20 pm
What have I done that was "wrong?"

- I have called out the admins and mods for doing a shitty job, which the majority of eliters agree with.

- I discovered fake videos within the community and forced inactive and indecisive administrators to take a fair action on the matter.

- I wrote the best, most extensive proof policy the community has ever seen.

- I spearheaded the streaming movement which has benefited the elite in every way possible.

So what exactly have I done wrong?
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: ManceGaydar on March 12, 2013, 07:21:58 pm
Those are all good things you have done, but none of them relate to the criticism which has been clearly explained by several people in this thread.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 12, 2013, 07:24:26 pm
Sometimes you have to slay some innocents to conquer a kingdom.  Collateral damage.  When you are a king, you will inevitably lose some pawns.  I'm sorry, but nobody's perfect.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Light on March 12, 2013, 07:39:42 pm
What's the saying? 'People that don't get it... don't get that they don't get it"  or something similar.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 12, 2013, 08:10:12 pm
That saying sums up 95% of the elite pretty well.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: the Blueline Goddess on March 12, 2013, 11:26:49 pm
I have a husband?  Shit, I must have missed the wedding.  And the wedding presents.  DAMN IT.

No see, the thing with the other forum is more the members know how to police themselves, so when a mod has to get involved, it's a rare thing.  We don't have this huge fight over who has the biggest penis or whatever.  We can debate about things like crazy but at the end of the day we all realize we're a bunch of mostly grownups doing things that are a little... childish, I guess (kinda like video games... our hobby is one that is marketed towards a much younger crowd).

There's actually a member there now that is getting a little big for her britches, and when called out she is doing all the things you are here, Goose - she's claiming people are out to get her, that she's the best thing to happen to the board, etc.  While she's going around posting how her shit doesn't stink, she's alienating herself from everyone else.  I mean, great if you want to do one of your typical "fuck you hahahaha" *ride off into the sunset* things, but it's not really a smart life strategy.

Just a thought, a passing suggestion - how about you become the change you want to see in the Elite?  Instead of doing this whole "you guys suck so here's MY forum but I am still going to shit up your forums" you either start posting things that you want to see on these forums (like... cut out all the unnecessary bullshit)?  There's the old saying about catching more flies with honey than vinegar.  You can't come here and post about how much you hate Steve and Jon and Third and Thingy and then get all self-righteous when they locked your topics. 

Hate is a wasted emotion.  In the end you don't do anything but make yourself miserable.  It's been a long time since we talked outside of forum posts (which never really work the way a conversation would) but I know there's more to you than this act you're pulling here.  The forums, like life, are all about getting what you give.  Coming in here with guns blazing won't end well.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Jimbo on March 13, 2013, 12:00:03 am
I have to ask though Goose, what is your ultimate goal? From my standpoint, I think the elite is doing a fine job of policing itself (stolen from Dayle), moving ourselves forward and branching out into new media and gaming, and making sure the integrity of our rankings stays at a high level.

I guess I label myself a "tweener" now, someone with some legitimate power in the elite but also someone who stays competitive in Goldeneye enough to always know what's going on and to keep humble around other great players. We're not a corporation; we don't really have any set power structure obviously. Ngamer "inherited" somewhat of a CEO status after the rest of the founding fathers disappeared into irrelevance. Everyone respects Jon Barb3r as being somewhat of the iron man in the elite, even if he doesn't actually do a crap ton of work on the boards or rankings anymore. The same goes for Derek Clark, who's still as much of an intelligent and ambitious bad ass as he was in 2002. The best and most productive employees of a company are not always the ones in leadership positions, so demanding our current leaders step down for more favorable players (union vs corporate anyone?) is a bit of a silly stretch.

I guess my point of this post is simply to ask where should the elite be by this time in 2014? Should Ngamer or Comeasur be eliminated from their "ranking" in the elite structure, what exactly would that benefit us? Most of the admin work gets delegated to Scott (the forum guru) or DK (a proven trusted commodity) anyway. The rest of the non-admin work lies in the hands of the council and moderators like me who check the boards every single day and still love the games.

Rant over, I guess.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Softman25 on March 13, 2013, 03:06:35 am
I hope you realise Goose that just because I saw you stream GE first doesn't mean that YOU led me to join The Elite.

Because funnily enough - it wasn't. It was Marc.  :nesquik:

Now take a nice deep sniff of your shit - and find the truth...
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on March 13, 2013, 03:35:11 am
:nesquik:[move] :nesquik: :nesquik:[move] :nesquik: :nesquik: :nesquik:[move] :nesquik: :nesquik:[move] :nesquik:
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Thanks for your contribution Dayle[move] :nesquik:[move] :nesquik: :nesquik:[move]  :kappa: :kappa: :kappa:[move] :nesquik: :nesquik:[move] :nesquik:
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Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 13, 2013, 04:39:45 am
The reality is that i probably popularised streaming more than goose did when i started to donit in early 2012. Same with jimbo.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 13, 2013, 06:25:40 am
Quote from: the Blueline Goddess on March 12, 2013, 11:26:49 pm
There's actually a member there now that is getting a little big for her britches, and when called out she is doing all the things you are here, Goose - she's claiming people are out to get her, that she's the best thing to happen to the board, etc. 

Introduce me?
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: the Blueline Goddess on March 14, 2013, 12:54:46 am
 :v  She's married.  

Thinking a bit more on the topic at hand - you have this idea that you are treated badly here.  And hey, perhaps people are quick to raise up the "bullshit" flags in your topics.  But you do the same thing over and over in regards to the Elite.  I know I'm not the only one waiting for the inevitable flounce where you attack anyone/everyone in the Elite and then disappear for a while.  

If you get bored of the game/people, you can take time off without the intense flameouts.  Just walk away, and then when you do wander back, people might be more receptive to your ideas.  But when you've flounced in a very angry way dozens of times, people aren't going to be all that welcoming when you return (in part because we all know what's going to happen in a few months).
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SgtRaven on March 14, 2013, 10:07:17 am
Quote from: Zenith Legend on March 12, 2013, 05:46:46 pm
Dan Edeen posting Level 2 average nonsense again.  A good leader does not create followers. A good leader creates other leaders. And look how many new leaders I have lead to stream on twicth and SRL. It speaks for itself.

This is precisely what I am talking about. "Level 2 average nonsense?" What the hell does that even mean? A nonsense scale ranging from 1 - Goose yes it probably is a 2. I did not say a good leader creates followers. A leader has followers. Taking credit for this twitch movement is completely ridiculous. If it makes you sleep at night I guess. People here knew of twitch way before you mentioned it, and many have streamed before that.

I think I am done with this thread, it truly is pointless. Some people just don't get it and they never will. They grow old and die not realizing how many people around them truly hated them.

You wanted another topic wrapped around you and you got it. I am certainly not adding anymore fuel to this fire.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on March 14, 2013, 08:15:56 pm
If people were streaming before, how come pretty much no-one in the community knew about it or did it? Why was it not used in the way it is now?
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 14, 2013, 08:31:39 pm
Golf was played for decades before Tiger Woods.  But it wasn't until Tiger Woods that it became a major sport with worldwide attention, broadcast on major networks, bringing in millions of viewers and millions of dollars in purses and sponsorships.

I never claimed to have "invented" streaming for the elite.  Cara and DK pushed for it since like March 2012.  But I am definitely the one who popularized it.  I was the first star to stream, and have a fun, relevant stream that brought in viewers and made people realize they enjoy watching good GE/PD streams.  I was the one who pushed for us to get on SRL.  I'm the only one who has ever tried to organize community wide races.  I'm the one who pushed to get the twitch header onto the forums.

Without me, streaming within the elite would still be in neophyte stage of DK or Cara streaming for 5 people occasionally.  Marc, Ace, etc, only started to stream because they saw I did it and it was popular and fun.

If you don't agree, you're out of touch with reality.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 14, 2013, 08:48:57 pm
Quote from: Zenith Legend on March 14, 2013, 08:31:39 pm
Golf was played for decades before Tiger Woods.  But it wasn't until Tiger Woods that it became a major sport with worldwide attention, broadcast on major networks, bringing in millions of viewers and millions of dollars in purses and sponsorships.

You truly are an ignorant idiot lol.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Darth Vader on March 14, 2013, 09:09:49 pm
 :kappa:
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Softman25 on March 15, 2013, 09:24:54 am
Quote from: Zenith Legend on March 14, 2013, 08:31:39 pm
I was the first star to stream

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Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on March 15, 2013, 10:24:23 am
Quote from: Softman25 on March 15, 2013, 09:24:54 am
Quote from: Zenith Legend on March 14, 2013, 08:31:39 pm
I was the first star to stream

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Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Time was untied when set. on March 15, 2013, 05:10:36 pm
I was streaming before Goose did and i was the first one to have commentary live. Goose couldnt be any more out of reality here even though i really like the guy and have his back. But the fact is streaming here was already getting kicked off before him. what I WILL say is that he was the first one to have a "good" stream setup with cam etc, but then again most other people on twitch do that as well, so its not like he invented the idea.




































































 :nesquik:
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Darth Vader on March 15, 2013, 06:42:40 pm
Goose wants to be acknowledged in this community.

He will never be acknowledged.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Boss on March 15, 2013, 08:01:10 pm
Goose got Silo SA 109 and Streets SA 155 first. :kappa:
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 16, 2013, 04:05:00 am
THE BOSS HAS SPOKEN

Deal with it Marc.

Boss is the ultimate voice in the elite.  He is the Jeff Probst here.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: DYM on March 16, 2013, 04:25:00 am
Goose was also the original Silo master. :nesquik:
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 16, 2013, 04:28:51 am
Career GE untied sweeps:

Goose 1
Marc 1
Clemens 0
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: SimThreat on March 16, 2013, 04:36:44 am
K.. - 1
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: DYM on March 16, 2013, 06:09:22 am
Clemens got screwed because of PAL. :nesquik:

Although he did have a chance at 44/53/53 in 2009, and maybe an S2 sweep when he got 48.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Shadow on March 16, 2013, 11:35:13 am
Quote from: Zenith Legend on March 14, 2013, 08:31:39 pm
Golf was played for decades before Tiger Woods.  But it wasn't until Tiger Woods that it became a major sport with worldwide attention, broadcast on major networks, bringing in millions of viewers and millions of dollars in purses and sponsorships.

Where have you been for the last 80 years?
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Softman25 on March 16, 2013, 11:48:54 am
Quote from: Shadow on March 16, 2013, 11:35:13 am
Where have you been for the last 80 years?

Head up arse if I read correctly.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: flukey lukey on March 16, 2013, 12:23:13 pm
I can't wait for next weeks podcast if it's Softman + Goose
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Darth Vader on March 16, 2013, 12:56:07 pm
Boss was mocking you because 109 and 155 is the only good thing you've done worth to mention :kappa:

Streets sa 1:55 was first tied by.. RANDY BUIKEMA :nesquik:




Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Lark on March 16, 2013, 01:01:22 pm
A Marc/Goose rivalry is starting to brew. Can't wait to see how this turns out.
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Darth Vader on March 16, 2013, 01:06:02 pm
I want to face Goose in the summer contest in the first round.

Lets get it on ;D

Might not be fair though. Facing Goose in GE 1vs1 and Goose starts with 5 kills in each match would be fair.

Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Lark on March 16, 2013, 01:14:32 pm
That is an excellent idea. +1
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 16, 2013, 02:24:35 pm
Marc, why do you hate me all of a sudden?  I thought we were friends...
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: RWG on March 16, 2013, 02:42:51 pm
Marc and I have sorted this out over Facebook through the sharing of the Danish version of Can You Feel the Love Tonight?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD669u6XB-E
Title: Re: New Forum - Enough is Enough
Post by: Darth Vader on March 16, 2013, 02:50:34 pm
Hahahahahahahahahaha 10/10 post ^