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The Big Three Plus One => GoldenEye 007 => Topic started by: Darth Vader on March 24, 2013, 07:24:57 am
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The current total time is 1:12:37. If you think sub 1:12:00 will happen, which times will be lowered and by how many seconds?
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Here are my guesses for improvements WITHOUT ANY MAJOR STRAT DISCOVERIES.
Dam: Agent 0:52 [-1 second]
Facility: SA 0:51 / 00A 0:51 [-2 seconds]
Runway: 00A 0:34 [-1 second]
Surface 1: SA 1:47 / 00A 1:47 [-2 seconds]
Bunker 1: SA 0:20 / 00A 0:59??? [-4 seconds]
Silo: Agent 1:00 / SA 1:07 / 00A 1:20 [-5 seconds]
Frigate: Agent 0:22 / SA 1:00 / 00A 1:04 [-3 seconds] At Least
Surface 2: 00A 1:24 [-1 second] A / SA seem pretty maxed
Bunker 2: 00A 0:54 [-1 second]
Statue: Agent 2:18 / SA 2:17 / 00A 2:17 [-3 seconds]
Archives: -
Streets: SA 1:54 / 00A 1:54 [-2 seconds]
Depot: SA 0:39 / 00A 0:46 [-2 seconds]
Jungle: SA 0:52? / 00A 0:53? [-2 seconds?]
Control: Agent 3:57 / SA 4:04? / 00A 4:06? [-3 seconds]
Caverns: SA 1:18 / 00A 1:31 [-2 seconds]
Cradle: SA 0:34 / 00A 0:35 [-2 seconds]
Aztec: SA 1:32? / 00A 1:36? [-7 seconds]
Egypt: Agent 0:44 / SA 0:44 / 00A 0:44 [-3 seconds]
Total (Ambitious Guess) Improvement = 44 seconds
If 6 of these seconds prove impossible, I guess sub 1:12:00 could still happen.
Get Untiedz or die Tryin'
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Runway 0:34
Surface 1 SA 1:47
B1 0:20, (00A 1:01 (?) No idea how 00A works, so i'm just going with a random guess that 101 wont happen!)
Silo 1:00, 1:08, 1:21
Frigate 1:00, 1:04
S2 1:24
Bunker 2 0:54
Statue Agent 2:18, 2:17 00A
Streets 154/154 is easily possible, but ridic insane, my guess is it wont happen!
Depot SA 0:39 (not sure, poor knowledge on this level, going with random guess that 0:39 will happen!)
Train 1:49
Jungle SA 0:52 (pretty ridic, but easily possible in theory with the right run)
Control 3:57, 4:06 00A dat glass strat kappa
Caverns 1:18. 1:31 on 00A is easily possible, but my guess is this time wont actually happen!
Cradle 0:35 00A
Aztec SA 1:34, 00A 1:38.
Dam 52 might not be realistic, i think it wont happen! I Hope i will be proved wrong.
My guess is the total time will go no more down than 25 seconds.
Sub 1:12:00 would happen without much doubt if a lot of players would keep being insanely active. My guess is the activity wont be enough, i think sub 1:12:00 wont happen!
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Lower than 1:12:00 will happen but it's going to take a long time.
I don't have enough GE knowledge to give fair opinions on which times will be lowered but 1:12:00 will happen.
Dam 52 might not be realistic, i think it wont happen! I Hope i will be proved wrong.
Make it happen. :D
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Facility SA 0:51 (possibly, I've had a handful of 33 quitouts and there's the boost down the stairs to Trev as well)
Runway 0:34 (go Cliff!)
S1 SA 1:47
B1 SA 0:20 (I think 1:01 could happen with Boris running into the room but it'll be very hard of course)
Silo 1:00/1:08/1:21
Frigate 1:00, maybe 1:04 (I don't know about 0:22.. I mean a 0:22 could randomly happen)
S2 1:24 (I thought about SA 0:48 but screw that)
B2 0:54
Statue 2:18 A, 2:17 00A
Streets 154s (I don't know but I think they could happen with Val strafing + a 7 boost run or something, somewhat unlikely though)
Depot 0:39
Train 1:49
Jungle SA 0:52
Control 3:57, 4:06/4:07 on 00A (probably 4:07 but 4:06 could maybe happen)
Caverns SA 1:18
Cradle 00A 0:35
Aztec SA 1:32/1:33 (had some very close calls last month, died on some runs where glass opened at about 0:35/0:36 pauseout pace)
Aztec 00A ??? (never tried agent glass strat on 00A but I guess a solid run with that strat could get 1:37 or something)
Egypt A 0:44
I can't really see 38 seconds being cutting off unless this game is played even more to death which I doubt.. I mean the times I listed above are some of the realistic untieds doable but even then each one would take several hours.
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Notice how ace's and my preds are somewhat the same, Clemens' would probably be something like this too.
I didn't want to leave out fac 51, Aztec SA lower than 1:34 and Egypt A 0:44, but i thought Ace was gonna retire or something, so it's confusing :nesquik: If ace goes for these times, it will happen.
About Aztec 00A, i guess there are two ways to lower the time. One would be shoot 3 guards first room and go new glass strat, get BA. Another would be run first room (I tried it lots of times, it's annoying, but doable) old glass strat, get BA. 1:37/1:38 with old glass strat, even 1:36 with a solid run and SA route after BA. I guess around the same with new glass strat. You can have full health to black room even if you run first room, so i guess you could do this AND new glass strat in theory, although it would be such a pain :kappa: Or if Wouter's dreams one day comes true, i guess no BA too and a 14 second cut will happen on 00A :nesquik: But yeah, Aztec 00A is the level that has been least ultimized so far, just too bad the level is boring as fuck, it's just quit outs after quit outs and there's not anything you can do about it.
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I guess my preds were theoretical limits rather than 'will they actually happen'
Or if Wouter's dreams one day comes true
:v
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If history tells us anything, it's that poeple thinking a barrier is unbreakable are always wrong :p
Give it a few years and 1:11:59 will easily happen.
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1:11:59
pwned
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I guess my preds were theoretical limits rather than 'will they actually happen'
Yeah this topic is more about predictions. We all know what is possible in theory, such as B2 00A 0:45 with ridic TAS strats that will never happen. Or will it...? :nesquik:
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All it takes is a game breaking strat.. even if that doesn't seem possible right now.
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1:11:59 will happen
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I had a dream that I had sex with Natalya on control. Saved like 2 minutes off my secret agent time.
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I had a dream that I had sex with Natalya on control. Saved like 2 minutes off my secret agent time.
Karl has discovered the amazing new strat we have all been waiting for. Let's celebrate.
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There's a topic from like 2005-06 where Jimbo says that a new Control strat will allow the elite to finally break 1:12:59 as the last barrier. I think 1:16:00 had just gone down due to Wouter's Streets 1:13 and people thought it might be the last barrier... lol.
There is never a final barrier. Ever. 1:11:59, 1:10:59, 1:09:59, 1:08:59... it will all happen.
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karl got to Natalya in 1 minute, blew up the drones / mainframes in 20-30 seconds, exited the stage in 18 seconds flat, so lasted under 20 seconds with Natalya. gg.
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There is never a final barrier. Ever. 1:11:59, 1:10:59, 1:09:59, 1:08:59... it will all happen.
Love dat enthusiasm. I hope i will be proved wrong. Imagine the next generation of young players destroying all our times like it was nothing.
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There is never a final barrier. Ever. 1:11:59, 1:10:59, 1:09:59, 1:08:59... it will all happen.
Seems optimistic but I completely agree here. I remember a while back when people were excited about approaching the "100-minute mark" in Perfect Dark. It seemed extremely difficult but that was 8 minutes 30 seconds ago.
The "impossible" happens again and again. As long as we've got champions playing, the time will steadily go down. I'd bet there's still a couple of game-breakers to find.
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Discussing the impossible is dumb. There is always a chance something magical happens.
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Kinda surprised about the consent that S2 125 will be beaten, that WR is beyond bananas imo. Sure, fooled out of a near-certain boost and late warp, thus people are talking the talk, but who will be walking the walk?
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It will be beaten eventually, its just a fact. But its a solid time. Just gonna need to come down to dat window strat which is LOL-fun to try to pull off. Ive failed 123s with it but with all that nade lag garbage and nerves it usually ends up a 124-126 somehow even on a decent run.
Ill never get over how robbed of 124 i was on that run though :-X :'(
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I thought Marc had 123/124 paces with the regular strat.
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David - Ace
Round 2
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OHMSS dropping TRUTH BOMBS
Obviously S2 00A 1:24 will happen, but so will Aztec 00A 1:39, Train 00A 1:49, Control 00A 4:07, etc.