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The Big Three Plus One => GoldenEye 007 => Topic started by: Jimbo on June 24, 2013, 02:21:35 am

Title: The Henning Blom Discussion Topic
Post by: Jimbo on June 24, 2013, 02:21:35 am: Here's a post I made to Goose just a bit earlier tonight, before he started streaming.

Hey Goose.

You're passive suspicion of Henning's 0:49 being fake had me wondering what on Earth you were talking about, so I checked out the video and almost spit out my water.

Never once in my entire GE career have I ever pulled off any warp (especially on a lagless level like Surface 2) using any mine/grenade switch, and Henning knows better not to switch weapons forward from a fucking PP7. The Grenade sprite shows up on the bottom left with an inventory of zero, but the cinema shows him running down the stairs with a REMOTE MINE.

After contacting Bryan, Alex, and Luke about this, we've done extensive testing of this ending using controlled simulations. I used all guns/infinite ammo, opened the final door, backed up to the chopper, and got a running start into the fadeout. In 20 full attempts, 19 were unsuccessful in any sort of last-frame switch to a remote mine, while the 20th in retrospect (taped these) I simply switched a bit too early, I wasn't quite in the fade. Ending the level with 0 grenades also gives you the animation of Bond walking down the stairs with a Grenade, as Alex suggested that having 0 of anything might default to something else. (proven false)

TL;DR - This run is a fake and I need your support on this if I call him out on it. Shit is going to hit the fan if this goes public. His motive to fake it might spawned because he choked the final warp on a real run or something.

Thanks, Jimbo.

OHMSS had said that ending the level with zero grenades with NO CHEATS on defaults to a mine cinema, which I proved to be completely false. Goose tested this exact criteria live on stream and proved it to be a fake (he might make a highlight video later of this), and Ace tested it and proved it to be fake.

I tried my best to like Henning, even defending his stay on the rankings rather passionately, but this just pisses me off. Henning adamantly denied having any other faked videos, so his trust is completely broken now as far as I'm concerned. His time with the Elite in my book is over.

Discuss.

Edit: I have always known about the different weapons Bond holds while ending levels, but I hadn't seen Henning's 0:49 until tonight or I would have busted this MONTHS ago.
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: wheatrich on June 24, 2013, 02:25:51 am: You didn't seriously believe him when he said all of w/e goose said was fake and then immediately agreed that there weren't any others while not appearing to give a fuck about it did you?

Whatever, I feel like unless we know theyr'e 100% legit we have to presume otherwise b/c we simply just don't know.

Lol haters that thought Jim wouldn't get in the top 10.

btw even if it's proven it's technically possible

Spoiler
it's fake just think about it from an odds % perspective
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: OHMSS on June 24, 2013, 02:46:58 am: Quote from: Jimbo on June 24, 2013, 02:21:35 am
OHMSS had said that ending the level with zero grenades with NO CHEATS on defaults to a mine cinema, which I proved to be completely false. Goose tested this exact criteria live on stream and proved it to be a fake (he might make a highlight video later of this), and Ace tested it and proved it to be fake.

You guys proved nothing, you just couldn't reproduce it. I tried it once and got the remote mine cinema first try. I'm not siding with anyone, that's just the way it is. I did this test a while ago because the WR dates to Henning's suspicious era and has that pseudo cursor movement far from the best time. I'll reproduce it on video, but it could take two weeks until I'm at my N64 again. So please slow the f*** down with the prejudice and the removal initiative.

EDIT:
You can see that I commented on the remote mine on YT the day Henning got the WR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TqS3Td5LFU
So I had this at the back of my head the whole time when the Frigate cinema shit storm raged.

EDIT2:
I'm also totally not saying the run has to be legit. I did not say anything about the grenade warp thing. Just the remote mine cinema is real.
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: DYM on June 24, 2013, 03:01:23 am: Yeah after a few more attempts I also got the mine cinema. The way he does it (instant warp to nade) seems kinda sketchy though.

What are the odds of getting a nade, nailing the 49 throw, nailing the warp with a grenade and getting the mine cinema?
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: Maygs on June 24, 2013, 03:15:58 am: This is probably nothing, but in Hennings 49 he shoots 4 times and the end screen says he got 1 head shot and 3 body shots but if you watch him shooting, the last shot seems to miss the guy altogether. Unless it hit him then hit the forest? idk
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: OHMSS on June 24, 2013, 04:40:51 am: Quote from: NesquikBunny on June 24, 2013, 03:01:23 am
Yeah after a few more attempts I also got the mine cinema.

Hehe :)
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: RWG on June 24, 2013, 05:32:44 am: So here we go

EXHIBIT A: GOOSE BEATING SURFACE 2 SA, EXITING WHILE HOLDING A GRENADE

http://www.twitch.tv/rwhitegoose/c/2468555

You will notice that in the ending cinema, Bond runs down the stairs while holding a GRENADE. This is consistent with most other levels in GE where, in the cutscene, Bond holds the weapon you ended the level with. This was done on stream in front of 100s of people and is certifiably legitimate.

EXHIBIT A is what definitely happens when you beat Surface 2 while holding 0 grenades going into the bunker.

EXHIBIT B: HENNING'S WR ON SURFACE 2 SA, EXITING WHILE WARPING TO A GRENADE (which alone is almost irreproducible.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TqS3Td5LFU

You will notice that in the ending cinema, Bond runs down the stairs while holding a MINE. This is INCONSISTENT with your normal GE levels, AS WELL AS being inconsistent with Exhibit A, AS WELL AS being the EXACT SAME ERROR IN SPLICING THAT HENNING MADE ON HIS FRIGATE FAKES!

So basically Henning's "WR run" has these anomalies:

- successfully hitting a warp by going to a grenade (try this yourself)
- having a mine cinema when it should have been a grenade cinema

As Henning is known to have spliced incorrect ending cinemas onto his runs, I am close to 100% certain that this run is also fake. The chances of this being some sort of glitch or last frame switch are simply too unlikely. He also tried to claim that there was a "last frame switch" on Frigate and even tried to get TASers to waste their time by finding a way to make it possible.

This run is fake, I have little to no doubt.

We gave Henning his chance. He wasn't cooperative and claimed that we had found all of his fakes. Well, I guess we didn't. According to the proof policy written in January 2013, as well as fucking common sense, there is no reason to believe any of Henning's times are real anymore, and as a result he should be entirely removed from the elite rankings.

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ps

Quote from: Maygs on June 24, 2013, 03:15:58 am
This is probably nothing, but in Hennings 49 he shoots 4 times and the end screen says he got 1 head shot and 3 body shots but if you watch him shooting, the last shot seems to miss the guy altogether. Unless it hit him then hit the forest? idk

The "shot hitting the forest" is another klobb guard's shot hitting the forest. Henning's shots do seem to hit the guard in the correct spots as per the endscreen.

I feel perhaps Henning focused on getting a matching endscreen to splice on so intently that he missed stuff like the ending cinemas which seemed to be his undoing.
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on June 24, 2013, 06:04:10 am: Damn.

I also lol'd at the joy on Goose's face when seeing Bond run down the stairs with a grenade.
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: DJS on June 24, 2013, 06:52:41 am: aww i loved henning. he is who got me into goldeneye speedrunning, but yeah i agree that he should be removed from the site now because of his faking.
:(
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: ManceGaydar on June 24, 2013, 07:14:15 am: I won't have this. I didn't want to have to do this, but... IF HENNING GOES, I GO.
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: Darth Vader on June 24, 2013, 08:01:22 am: Quote from: antibieber on June 24, 2013, 07:14:15 am
I won't have this. I didn't want to have to do this, but... IF HENNING GOES, I GO.

Noone will miss you :kappa:
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: Shadow on June 24, 2013, 08:45:14 am: I don't have the expertise to be able to determine if the analysis is correct or not, but if it is then of course Henning's times should be removed.
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on June 24, 2013, 09:25:23 am: Watching Goose's smile when he seems to prove Henning's run a fraud is one of the happiest things I've ever seen.

Could it be that Henning switched weapons twice as to show mine in the cinema? He hit the door with double klobb, switching weapons twice would've given him mines, which was what was in the cinema. In the fadeout we only see grenade on the screen indicator, but is it possible that this is what took place. (Meaning that in the fadeout, he somehow switched weapons a second time.)

If this is absolutely not the case, and Henning's run is proven to be fake, there is no question that he should be removed forever.
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: DYM on June 24, 2013, 10:06:31 am: Yeah the nade to mine cinema is very real. I can do it pretty easily now. What I find insane is that he warped to the nade and pressed A again before the level ended. It seems doable though.

There still isn't convincing proof that the 0:49 is fake IMO.. I can't do the nade warp though, seems ridic.
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on June 24, 2013, 10:14:57 am: Eise just streamed to check out Henning's vids. Ace, both Luke's, Bozon, Marc, Axel and others including I were in the chat. Eise watched the ending frame by frame and noticed that his timer jumped from 00:09:30 to 00:09:33 which doesn't make sense since the timer should be counting down. Eise checked other S2 videos to see if this timer jump was common but it only occurred on Henning's 49 video.

However Eise found out that the 2 and the 3 looked awfully similar with the bad quality and the blur. We all agreed that it looked more like a 2 than a 3. So in reality, the timer went from 00:09:30 to 00:09:23 and so on.

Ace also managed to successfully perform the last-frame (or near last-frame) switch to mine resulting in the mine cinema. He also successfully performed the mine to nade warp. A very difficult warp but it's possible.

All of this to happen in one run is just insane but possible. I don't think we can ban Henning or call this 49 fake until we get solid evidence.
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: Darth Vader on June 24, 2013, 10:20:56 am: Just watched Eise's stream and there's really no evidence that can prove Henning's run is fake. The nade warp is very hard, but doable and as Ace said, the nade to mine thing in the cinema is very easy to do apperantly. If it is a fake i think Henning wouldn't be stupid enough to not admit it before january being AWARE of the cinema thing on his vid, and he admitted frig 00a to be fake as well. Also, Bozon chatted with Henning live when he got the 49.

I personally think Henning's run is real until some actual evidence is provided to prove otherwise.
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: Smit on June 24, 2013, 10:32:03 am: Quote from: InkosiDeVinyl on June 24, 2013, 10:20:56 am
I personally think Henning's run is real until some actual evidence is provided to prove otherwise.
Title: Re: The Henning Blom Removal Topic
Post by: Jimbo on June 24, 2013, 11:36:55 am: I personally think this run ended at 50.0 and Henning got pissed off enough to shark a 49 end screen in there. Since this run is proven to be possible with the same odds as an asteroid hitting Earth, I will close this topic and move on as if nothing happened. This can be privately investigated further but will likely become a dead case quickly.

Edit: 2.2 busted this, I never took that into account.