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The Big Three Plus One => GoldenEye 007 => Topic started by: AZ on August 29, 2013, 04:29:03 pm

Title: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: AZ on August 29, 2013, 04:29:03 pm
You can find the rankings here: http://thengamer.com/ProvenGEranks/elite.htm

All the times on this rankings have been verified by me. I'm perfectly aware that there are more videos out there. According to Wouter's proven pages, there's still quite a bunch of stuff I haven't yet seen (although most of those are 0 point times and mostly by the same players that are already ranked, but still). The times that are ranked are the ones I've seen a video of.

Currently 144 members strong. So ~35% of all ranked GE players have at least provided proof of one of their PRs/non PRs. The remaining 65% are not on this ranking (yet).

Many strong claimed times that are on the normal rankings have obviously been removed (and in some cases, backrolled).

There's also some slight problems regarding Taka and Chuya: they provided proof for more of their claimed PRs, but unfortunately their youtube channels were deleted. I've been looking through old proof calls topic in hope to track down which times Taka provided video proof of. He was decently proven in GE and should have a few more times up there at least.

The point system should probably be changed to 75 pts for WR, followed by 72 for 2nd place, 70 for 3rd, 69 , 68 etc. But I don't know how to do that :nesquik:
In a few years, all the N/As will hopefully not be worth points anymore.

The current members of the 60/60 club (players that have the same set of PRs on the normal rankings):

- Rayan I.
- Marc Rützou
- Bryan Bosshardt
- Ryan White
- Ilari Pekkala
- Jimmy Bauer
- Shawn Johnson
- Eddie Lovins
- Axel Zakrisson
- Ryan Koch
- Wouter Jansen
- Adam Bozon
- Patrik Nilsson
- Graham Maddocks

David Clemens, Luke Pettit, Alex Anderson and Randy Buikema are currently 59/60 while Jim Barrett and Adam Moore are 58/60; Guilherme Alberto 57/60 and Dan Cervone 56/60.

Level facts:

The level that is most proven (PRs or non-PRs) among GE players is:

...not surprisingly, Dam Agent (87 videos)

The level that is least proven is:

Control 00A (42 videos). This is somewhat logical since Control 00A is the longest level in the game.

The stage that is most proven is Runway (221 videos)

The stage that is least proven is Control (145 videos)

Hover to see the complete stats for all 20 stages and all 60 difficulties

Spoiler
Dam A - 87
Dam SA - 66
Dam 00A - 62

Total Dam: 215

Fac A - 79
Fac SA - 57
Fac 00A - 63

Total Facility: 199

Run A - 83
Run SA - 76
Run 00A - 62

Total Runway: 221

Su1 A - 80
Su1 SA - 66
Su1 00A - 57

Total Surface 1: 203

Bu1 A - 78
Bu1 SA - 57
Bu1 00A - 54

Total Bunker 1: 189

Silo A - 60
Silo SA - 48
Silo 00A - 48

Total Silo: 156

Fri A - 57
Fri SA - 62
Fri 00A - 50

Total Frigate: 169

Su2 A - 67
Su2 SA - 52
Su2 00A - 47

Total Surface 2: 166

Bu2 A - 69
Bu2 SA - 54
Bu2 00A - 53

Total Bunker 2: 176

Sta A - 51
Sta SA - 54
Sta 00A - 58

Total Statue: 163

Arch A - 81
Arch SA - 65
Arch 00A - 63

Total Archives: 209

Str A - 76
Str SA - 70
Str 00A - 63

Total Streets: 209

Depot A - 80
Depot SA - 61
Depot 00A - 48

Total Depot: 189

Train A - 59
Train SA - 48
Train 00A - 43

Total Train: 150

Jun A - 63
Jun SA - 45
Jun 00A - 50

Total Jungle: 158

Con A - 57
Con SA - 46
Con 00A - 42

Total Control: 145

Cav A - 68
Cav SA - 56
Cav 00A - 52

Total Caverns: 176

Cra A - 61
Cra SA - 51
Cra 00A - 44

Total Cradle: 156

Aztec A - 61
Aztec SA - 53
Aztec 00A - 47

Total Aztec: 161

Egypt A - 62
Egypt SA - 47
Egypt 00A - 50

Total Egypt: 159

Total amount of videos/times on the proven rankings: 3569

Average videos by level: 59,5/level
Average videos by stage: 178,5/stage

I hope this ranking will encourage players to become 60/60 :) I'll do my best to keep this up to date.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on August 29, 2013, 04:31:06 pm
fucking lol @ Henning being on there
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: 50 on August 29, 2013, 04:41:54 pm
fucking lol @ Henning being on there

 :nesquik: :nesquik: :nesquik:
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Lark on August 29, 2013, 06:05:07 pm
These rankings are inaccurate. Henning is a cheater.

Associating his name with "proven" "legit" "trustworthy" and "reliable" is incorrect. Nice troll list though.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on August 29, 2013, 06:31:07 pm
Axel, I have a serious question for you.  What makes the PD rankings any more "accurate" than the GE rankings?  Firstly, there are guys like Shade and Jugador3 who have tons of N/As when they obviously have completed the levels, so they have times there; OFTEN TIMES they completed the levels in front of other eliters, Lec, Karl, FB, etc.  So how can you possibly have an accurate rankings if these times are not ranked?

Also, there are tons of unproven times on the rankings, notably Expert's WAR 54.  This stood as a WR for like 5+ years with no video and is still a very very good time without a video.  There are plenty of Duel 9s with no videos... and I am only getting started on the unproven times brigade in Perfect Dark.  How on Earth can you possibly believe that the PD rankings are any more accurate than the GE rankings?  It's complete nonsense.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: .. on August 29, 2013, 06:35:35 pm
I'm anxiously awaiting the celebration topic for my arrival in the top 100 (in time) on the GE ranks.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: AZ on August 29, 2013, 07:04:09 pm
Goose:

When have I said that the PD rankings are more accurate than the GE rankings? I've never made such a statement. I think PD ranks now have become more relevant but "more" accurate? Not by far. Also, I do not regard these proven ranks to be more accurate than the current GE rankings and I hope you realize that. These ranks were basically created to have every video I've ever witnessed up there and to see exactly what levels are the most popular in terms of providing video proof.

regarding Shade/JugadorJ3: I agree, BUT there are NO videos so we can never be perfectly sure can we? One could just make all their N/As 70ish pointers instead but that would be insane. Which leaves us to no other alternative than to have their unprovens set to N/A. Expert's WAR PA and Duel 9s yeah I know all of that, but GE also have notable times unproven. If I would make a proven PD rankings I would naturally have War/Duel removed but I'm not sure if it's worth it since PD is so unproven anyway :nesquik: A contributing factor to it is also that I never really collected/watched PD videos to the same extent I've done with GE videos.

These rankings are inaccurate. Henning is a cheater.

Greg, I would be more than happy to remove any of Henning's times if you can prove any video to be fake.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Lark on August 29, 2013, 07:09:05 pm
Axel, I'm actually impressed. You've become a bigger troll than Goose

That is an impressive feat.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on August 29, 2013, 07:12:55 pm
Let me rephrase then

What makes the PD rankings "more relevant?"

Every point I made in my previous post stands.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: AZ on August 29, 2013, 07:28:16 pm
The fact that the GE community refuses to have Henning's runs (none of them proven to be fake (yet :kappa: :kappa: :kappa:) up on the ranks. Especially bothersome is the fact not to let his LIVE PRs be ranked. We're talking about a player that has like 800 or so GE PR vids, and who is obviously very good at these games etc.

Before Henning was removed, the GE ranks was more relevant than PD imo. It's entirely subjective and I understand if you or anyone else think the opposite. But no one was never completely removed from the PD ranks at least (only if they had NO videos) especially not a top 5 player.  

edit:

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there are guys like Shade and Jugador3 who have tons of N/As when they obviously have completed the levels, so they have times there; OFTEN TIMES they completed the levels in front of other eliters, Lec, Karl, FB, etc.

So have Henning. He has completed levels in front of other eliters (Illu, me, Patrik, Eise, Adrian, Axel A, ShadowZero, Emily, Clemens, Alex, Marc). The main difference however is that Henning DOES have videos (including those FROM meetings) whereas Shade and Jugador don't.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on August 29, 2013, 07:39:09 pm
no one was never completely removed from the PD ranks at least (only if they had NO videos) especially not a top 5 player.  

Guess what though.. NO ONE has completely disrespected the elite and the spirit of competition by posting fake videos, having them up for almost 2 years, claiming they weren't fake, being confronted with MORE fakes, claiming those weren't fake either, claiming that they had confessed all fakes, then 6 months later being found with MORE fakes and finally confessing those, with the possibility/probability of more fakes still being out there.

WHAT A COINCIDENCE!
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: AZ on August 29, 2013, 07:48:25 pm
Your argument does not change the fact that his LIVE PRs should at the very least be ranked. They're million times more legit than stuff like Berube 53 and other stuff I mentioned.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Neo on August 29, 2013, 08:10:27 pm
This would be amusing if it weren't so disappointing. :(
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on August 29, 2013, 08:14:47 pm
The rankings are nice but Henning is on it.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on August 29, 2013, 08:18:56 pm
:nesquik:
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Thiradell on August 29, 2013, 08:42:32 pm
Your argument does not change the fact that his LIVE PRs should at the very least be ranked. They're million times more legit than stuff like Berube 53 and other stuff I mentioned.

Axel, what if Berube got Dam 53 in front of four of his friends? What if they all came into this topic and said "hey the 53 is legit." Your bias in this matter is unbelievable.

The proven rankings are cool but rehashing the same useless arguments about Henning over and over is getting incredibly annoying. You really need to stop.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: ManceGaydar on August 29, 2013, 08:48:09 pm
Since you are so interested in stats, here is one for you:

There is a 0% chance that you will ever convince anyone to allow Henning back on the ranks.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: AZ on August 29, 2013, 08:51:20 pm
I would never argue over Hennings LIVE PRs if he later didn't provide video proof of those PRs, Tyler. Sorry if I forgot to mention that. Obviously Henning's meetings PRs should not be of any discussion if videos weren't posted later. But videos were posted. I thought that was crystal clear already. Berube and "his friends", on the other hand, have failed to this very date in providing video proof even if he got the 53 LIVE as you suggest. My bias has never been "unbelievable" and it saddens me that you actually think so.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Thiradell on August 29, 2013, 09:07:58 pm
Okay, what if Berube came in and posted a video of his 53, as well as some other times, that turned out to be fake?
Then what if he came back with another Dam 53 vid that turned out to be fake?
Then what if he came back with another Dam 53 vid that hasn't yet proven to be fake? We should allow it?
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: AZ on August 29, 2013, 09:38:20 pm
Henning never faked several vids of the same claimed PR. While I agree with the community at large that Henning is a liar and he should be banned from all other elite activities, it still is, and always will be, preposterous not to have his LIVE PRs ranked.

Anyway, I created another Proven rankings without Henning. You can find it here: http://thengamer.com/ProvenGEranks2/elite.htm
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: SimThreat on August 29, 2013, 09:46:07 pm
Why do people still talk to Axel regarding this? He may very well be the 2nd most successful troll in the history of the elite (after me obv). It is blatently obvious he will never change his mind on this issue. Why continue to discuss it? Nothing you could say or do will ever affect his attitude.

Anyone who argues this any further is just as rediculous as Axel because you're too dimwitted to know when to quit.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Thiradell on August 29, 2013, 09:50:13 pm
"Henning never faked several vids of the same claimed PR. While I agree with the community at large that Henning is a liar and he should be banned from all other elite activities, it still is, and always will be, preposterous not to have his LIVE PRs ranked."

Not saying that this is the case, but what if every person who saw Henning get his times live was in on it? What if we allowed Henning's meeting PRs, a new person came to the-elite and said "why are these allowed" and you said "because six of us were there watching." He could easily say "well I don't trust any of you!" Henning has gone too far; it doesn't matter in what context he gets anything, he simply isn't allowed on the ranks.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: flukey lukey on August 29, 2013, 10:39:55 pm
henning 4th? get real
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Time was untied when set. on August 29, 2013, 10:48:35 pm
I still consider henning to be a good friend, hell I'd even consider meeting with him again.

Fact is though, when it comes to goldeneye he simply has some sort of problem that makes him unable to tell the truth. When I found out he had a few fake records, my heart sank; I couldn't believe he not only faked videos, but he lied to mine and other peoples faces about it and seems to have no remorse.
Not only did he fake those videos and lie, but he continued to lie. I asked him if that was it for his fakes and if his single segment runs were fake and he pleaded they were real. Then 1 second after being backed into a corner he admits they were fake. Maybe for axel this wasn't a bigdeal since it didn't affect him personally, but considering I had spent hours and hours and hours trying to beat hennings times only to find out later they never even existed, this guy really doesn't deserve any remorse. I dont feel that bothered about losing 106 as an untied for a few years, but the constant lying even to "good" friends is what makes me believe he should be banned forever.

I know yo want accurate rankings, but this is simply something we have to do. We can't risk anything else with henning and considering everything that happened, we simply cannot let him be on the ranks.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on August 29, 2013, 11:30:32 pm
AFAIK Berube did in fact get a Dam 53 in front of Tyler Probert.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Carathorn on August 30, 2013, 03:44:44 am
I can't help but think that this is just another henning campaign.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: DYM on August 30, 2013, 04:08:30 am
Clemens ain't even on the Statue leaderboard. :kappa:
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Smit on August 30, 2013, 04:50:12 am
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Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: speedruntrainer on August 30, 2013, 05:20:23 am
Inaccurate Proven Goldeneye 007 Rankings :kappa:
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on August 30, 2013, 09:53:53 am
Henning never faked several vids of the same claimed PR. While I agree with the community at large that Henning is a liar and he should be banned from all other elite activities, it still is, and always will be, preposterous not to have his LIVE PRs ranked.

Anyway, I created another Proven rankings without Henning. You can find it here: http://thengamer.com/ProvenGEranks2/elite.htm

TRUE TOP 8  :nesquik:
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: We Love Spliced Runs on August 30, 2013, 01:16:06 pm
regarding Shade/JugadorJ3: I agree, BUT there are NO videos so we can never be perfectly sure can we?

But you think Henning, a proven cheater, should get the benefit of the doubt. Seems legit.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on August 30, 2013, 05:38:02 pm
Shade has no videos, let's remove his Defection 6!

Henning has faked videos, his Defection 6 is surely legit!

LOL
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Infected Mind on September 01, 2013, 01:25:42 pm
Move this to the religion topic Kappa 

Never seen people more convinced they are correct :P

Off/On topic what Vid of mine doesn't exist. That should be my Retirement PR (60/60 ftw) Im thinking its maybe train 00? I remember hearing a 1s improvement of mine got lost over the years
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: OHMSS on September 01, 2013, 02:53:19 pm
Off/On topic what Vid of mine doesn't exist. That should be my Retirement PR (60/60 ftw) Im thinking its maybe train 00? I remember hearing a 1s improvement of mine got lost over the years

Let me tell you a secret:
1.) Load "The GoldenEye World Records and Rankings" in your web browser of choice.
2.) Click your very own name.
3.) Observe the video icons and infer desired information.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on September 01, 2013, 03:59:28 pm
^ LOL post and LOOOOOL sig!  :D
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: AZ on September 01, 2013, 05:55:11 pm
Yeah Alex, it's Train 00A: http://rankings.the-elite.net/~Bass+Boost/time/13563 - I never reviewed/had that video.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: We Love Spliced Runs on September 01, 2013, 08:48:23 pm
Yeah Alex, it's Train 00A: http://rankings.the-elite.net/~Bass+Boost/time/13563 - I never reviewed/had that video.

No video? Better get rid of it. Surely it doesn't exist. We can't be sure, can we??? Why can't everyone produce legitimate proof like Henning?  :kappa:
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: AZ on September 02, 2013, 09:19:35 am
 :kappa:
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: speedruntrainer on September 02, 2013, 09:38:38 am
Sometimes I see 80+ pointers on the rankings without a camera next to it? (no video) It either isn't uploaded on YouTube or is very old? Or just no vid :kappa:
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Smit on September 02, 2013, 09:40:28 am
Sometimes I see 80+ pointers on the rankings without a camera next to it? (no video) It either isn't uploaded on YouTube or is very old? Or just no vid :kappa:

Should just implement a filter on the website so you can filter out all records that DONT have videos.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: AZ on September 02, 2013, 09:44:59 am
Should just implement a filter on the website so you can filter out all records that DONT have videos.

agree with this. That way we virtually get a proven rankings. I'm sure some current 80+ pointers with no video attached to it have videos though (especially PD).
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: speedruntrainer on September 03, 2013, 01:43:22 pm

agree with this. That way we virtually get a proven rankings. I'm sure some current 80+ pointers with no video attached to it have videos though (especially PD).

Happy backrolling!
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Smit on September 03, 2013, 04:35:56 pm

agree with this. That way we virtually get a proven rankings. I'm sure some current 80+ pointers with no video attached to it have videos though (especially PD).

Happy backrolling!

Dont have to backroll anything, it will just be two seperate rankings "The proven rankings" and "the rankings" and you will get rankings which peoples proven point count
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: speedruntrainer on September 03, 2013, 05:05:52 pm
Yep that'd be very great if they add that with the current ranking system we now have.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on September 03, 2013, 09:26:44 pm
I think perhaps we should start a crowdfunding effort to hire a new programmer to add these features to the rankings (since YE will never add them himself.)


All we need;

- proper full game rankings system, real time only, with 100% and All 60 included
- filters including: show only times with videos, PAL, NTSC, ENG, JP, etc

I'm not sure if a programmer can ADD it to the rankings if he doesn't have the source code (which YE conveniently made private a few months ago) but this might be something worth doing or looking into.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: speedruntrainer on September 04, 2013, 03:59:41 am
Yes, I 100% agree. The current full game speedrun system is crap. I bet the Goldeneye runs has a Game Time only and I think some people submitted their real times. This should be changed to real times. People submitted to Game Time with a video can be converted to their real time.

Perfect Dark has a real time system but it's outdated?

Anyway, good idea.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: DYM on September 04, 2013, 04:31:09 am
The reason YE won't add any more stuff to the rankings is because some people here are treating him like shit.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: ManceGaydar on September 04, 2013, 06:02:01 am
The reason YE won't add any more stuff to the rankings is because some people here are treating him like shit.

Exactly. Goose, if you had even the smallest level of people skills then YE would have already done all this for free.

If I was YE I would have deleted the whole thing already.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: speedruntrainer on September 04, 2013, 08:06:31 am
Well, maybe another person can take care of the rankings and add some?
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Shadow on September 05, 2013, 09:02:16 am
I'm not sure if a programmer can ADD it to the rankings if he doesn't have the source code (which YE conveniently made private a few months ago) but this might be something worth doing or looking into.

If I recall correctly, that was done after someone threatened to take the code, start another website, and destroy the Elite. Why is everything always someone else's fault, Goose?

Axel, just please give it up. Cheating disqualifies you. The rankings are not inaccurate.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: OHMSS on September 05, 2013, 05:20:42 pm
The reason YE won't add any more stuff to the rankings is because some people here are treating him like shit.

This is the truth seeing that THIS (http://elite.speedrunwiki.com/forum/index.php?topic=18757.msg384291#msg384291) was his last post here ever since.

Well, maybe another person can take care of the rankings and add some?

If t-e webmasters respect YE's wish from the post above, noone will get the code. The only ways around this would be a) talking things out, apologizing and forgiveness or b) someone who does not respect that wish has downloaded and kept the code from the now deleted github and provides it :kappa:

Noone will walk the walk and delevop a running equivalent system from scratch, I can guarantee you that. And even if someone did, elite's old asses probably wouldn't provide the PR database to prevent the rankings system moving out of their sphere of influence.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: 50 on September 05, 2013, 06:48:59 pm
lol as far as I know Goose is the only one trashing on YE without seriously no fucking reason. I asked him to stop that bullshit once.. I have no clue why he's still trashing on him.

Stop that Goose :)
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Lark on September 05, 2013, 07:48:44 pm
I have to agree with 50 cent. Some of the rage that Goose has for the other admins is completed warranted, but YE doesn't deserve to be disrespected.  I don't blame him for being upset after Goose threatened to take his source code and use it for another website.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on September 05, 2013, 07:55:07 pm
I love you YE.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RBlackGoose on September 05, 2013, 08:13:32 pm
I love you YE.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: SimThreat on September 05, 2013, 11:46:35 pm
In that linked YE post he said "I made it out of compassion because I want to see the Elite community continue to thrive."

Don't believe this for one second. YE's intentions are not altruistic. If this were the case he wouldn't have removed the code. The fact is that programming is his profession, it's what he studied to earn money. He didn't learn all that just so he could create a new rankings page for us.

Yes, Ryan did spend a lot of time on the rankings. But don't paint him out to be this saint who does everything from the goodness of his heart. He took the source away because he still wants all the power. But just because someone has IT skills it doesn't make them a good leader or someone who can make sound decisions.

No, ryan didn't take the source code away because someone treated him like shit. He took it away to reinforce his grip of power on the elite because he was feeling insecure and upset that everyone wasn't worshipping him.

I do actually appreciate the effort he put into the rankings. But the fact is that if he actually cared about the future of the elite, the source would be available and he wouldn'let stupid shit like this get into the way.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: SimThreat on September 05, 2013, 11:51:23 pm
Don't get me wrong. I understand that Ryan can withhold the code if he wants. He can take the rankings down and also not allow new mods etc. He can do all that. He has ultimate power because he made it.

But also understand that these actions aren't from a person who cares about the elite and it's future. These actions are from someone who loves the feeling of being in complete control.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Jimbo on September 05, 2013, 11:51:34 pm
I just came all over the place after reading Karl's post, damn.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 06, 2013, 04:28:58 am
In that linked YE post he said "I made it out of compassion because I want to see the Elite community continue to thrive."

Don't believe this for one second. YE's intentions are not altruistic. If this were the case he wouldn't have removed the code. The fact is that programming is his profession, it's what he studied to earn money. He didn't learn all that just so he could create a new rankings page for us.

Yes, Ryan did spend a lot of time on the rankings. But don't paint him out to be this saint who does everything from the goodness of his heart. He took the source away because he still wants all the power. But just because someone has IT skills it doesn't make them a good leader or someone who can make sound decisions.

No, ryan didn't take the source code away because someone treated him like shit. He took it away to reinforce his grip of power on the elite because he was feeling insecure and upset that everyone wasn't worshipping him.

I do actually appreciate the effort he put into the rankings. But the fact is that if he actually cared about the future of the elite, the source would be available and he wouldn'let stupid shit like this get into the way.


And you're not a deity who knows exactly how Ryan felt/feels about the situation and what thoughts he went through to come to this conclusion and action. His post sounds a lot more compassionate than yours sounds appreciating of his efforts. Stating these things about him like they are facts, sounds more powerhungry to me. Taking away access to the code can also be an act of protecting against the ill and then it definitely is coming out of good intentions.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: DYM on September 06, 2013, 04:35:53 am
Uh, why exactly would he want to keep power and have people "worship him"? He doesn't even check these boards anymore.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: SimThreat on September 06, 2013, 05:09:56 am
And you're not a deity who knows exactly how Ryan felt/feels about the situation and what thoughts he went through to come to this conclusion and action. His post sounds a lot more compassionate than yours sounds appreciating of his efforts. Stating these things about him like they are facts, sounds more powerhungry to me. Taking away access to the code can also be an act of protecting against the ill and then it definitely is coming out of good intentions.

My post sounds power hungry to you, therefore YE is compassionate? I'm sorry Wouter but that is stupid logic. Taking away access to the code is protecting against the ill? Lol I don't even know what that means dude. I want what you're smoking.

If he doesn't check the boards anymore why can't the code be released to people who want to use it who are here and want to improve the rankings? Is that the point you're trying to make Rayan? I agree.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: SimThreat on September 06, 2013, 05:28:03 am
Again I'm not saying YE doesn't have the right to withhold the code. That's fine. It's just obvious he loves the power and doesn't actually care about the greater good.

If your friend was an electrician and offered to set up some lights for you. Then later you wanted to get some more lights installed but your friend was busy so you hired another electrician. Then your friend found out about this and came back over and purposely made the wiring so confusing that no other electricians could install any further on your lights. You friend would be an asshole.

Ryan offered a service of his programming skills. We accepted the new site because it's better than the original. Ryan claims he has asked for nothing. HOWEVER THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE. Ryan has ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY OF THE WEBSITE. That is not asking for nothing. He can do whatever the fuck he wants with the website and has the final word. That's what price we had to pay.

If Ryan cared about the greater good of the elite he wouldn't care if 50 or 100 new rankings were set up using his code, because ultimately the more rankings that get created the more exposure the games have.

As I previously stated he can do that, but don't go saying YE is such a fucking good guy. Cause you guys are being naive as fuck.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on September 06, 2013, 05:45:24 am
Another important fact of the matter is that we asked YE to "fix" the full game rankings page so that it read as real time, rather than game time.

He didn't do it.

Then we started bitching, discussing other rankings systems, etc.

In the 5-10 minutes it took for YE to read those posts, angrily respond to them, and take down his rankings free source; he could have fixed what was desired on the full game speedrun page.  What we were asking for was literally that simple.

Regardless of your skill or expertise in a matter, most people will give you 5 minutes of their time if they are nice and they like you.  A doctor will take a glance at your sore shoulder and tell you where to go.  A lawyer will give you passing advice or a referral.  A car guy will open your hood, check your fluids and tell you what he thinks is wrong.  A programmer who is capable will fix something that literally takes them 30 seconds.

YE clearly no longer cares about the elite, yet we are at his whim.  That is a very precarious place for this site to be.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 06, 2013, 07:22:45 am
My post sounds power hungry to you, therefore YE is compassionate? I'm sorry Wouter but that is stupid logic. Taking away access to the code is protecting against the ill? Lol I don't even know what that means dude. I want what you're smoking.

You created that "therefore" by yourself, so that's your logic, not mine. Making fun of something you don't understand is also not cool. The point is he is not feeling good about having it public, so they are no longer public. Whatever story you create around that does not change his actual intentions whatsoever. There is no need for the code to be public for the rankings to work at all. I'm willing to bet neither of you having problems with YE has contacted him by means of direct contact (fyi this does not include email) and talked to him in a professional manner about any issues (I'm not talking about the fixes you want on the rankings).

The problem is exactly that you and goose feel so entitled that when the way you see things happening are wrong in your eyes and you come up with your own solution and just bring it upon us and expect us to apply it without thinking it over, and if we together decide that the solution might not be for the best for the community, and thus we do not apply it, instantly you start "bitching" as goose put it himself. You think this is caring about the elite? You aren't involving the community and listening to it professionally, complaining about a lot of things instead of looking for ways to improve it without demeaning others.

Ryan offered a service of his programming skills. We accepted the new site because it's better than the original. Ryan claims he has asked for nothing. HOWEVER THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE. Ryan has ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY OF THE WEBSITE. That is not asking for nothing. He can do whatever the fuck he wants with the website and has the final word. That's what price we had to pay.

The webmaster (not YE) is always in control of the site and has the power (you love this word) to change the database and code used to whatever he wishes. Besides the rankings IS a free service. Everything has a price either monetary or other form. So if you define free as not having a price (instead of not having a monetary price), then nothing is free.

As I previously stated he can do that, but don't go saying YE is such a fucking good guy. Cause you guys are being naive as fuck.
Why does it bother you how other people see YE? Why are you looking for a person to blame rather than being the person who solves it? (same goes for goose)

Another important fact of the matter is that we asked YE to "fix" the full game rankings page so that it read as real time, rather than game time.

He didn't do it.

Then we started bitching, discussing other rankings systems, etc.

YE is not bound to keep working on implementations and fixes for life or any period of time.

Bitching is uncalled for and unnecessary.

In the 5-10 minutes it took for YE to read those posts, angrily respond to them, and take down his rankings free source; he could have fixed what was desired on the full game speedrun page.  What we were asking for was literally that simple.

The post that OHMSS linked does not have a negative vibe. If he was angry (I don't think this was the emotion he had, definitely not the only one), he did write a proper post.

Regardless of your skill or expertise in a matter, most people will give you 5 minutes of their time if they are nice and they like you.  A doctor will take a glance at your sore shoulder and tell you where to go.  A lawyer will give you passing advice or a referral.  A car guy will open your hood, check your fluids and tell you what he thinks is wrong.  A programmer who is capable will fix something that literally takes them 30 seconds.

Comparing people does not address the situation and person at hand.
If you have a need to compare, don't focus only on the comparisons that suit your argument:
These people would also not help or want to do business with someone whom they know that any decision they make and the person asking for help does not agree with will answer to by "bitching".
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: DYM on September 06, 2013, 07:41:18 am
Well saying stuff like "our programmer has been lazy" is pretty disrespectful. He would have obviously "fixed" the rankings when he wanted to and had free time but consistently bitching about it only resulted in him removing the source code and stirring up more drama.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Shadow on September 06, 2013, 08:05:24 am
Wouter: That's probably the most coherent and thoughtful post I've ever seen from you. You've changed since 2001 :D

Karl, Goose: If someone gives an incredible, free service, and then you don't like something, please don't then go accusing that person of a lack of morals and a hunger for power. It's not nice, and it's also incredibly hypocritical.

Also Karl, perhaps you were tired but your post about YE's motives are so illogical and imaginary as to be not worthy of rebuttal.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: SimThreat on September 06, 2013, 08:10:43 am
Wouter how many times do I have to say Ryan can keep the code private if he wants? Do I have to say this 10 times before you read it?

I'm just saying that keeping it private isn't for any noble cause and if he does get offended if a couple of people give him shit and takes the code away, then he didn't give it to us in the first place out of the kindness of his heart.

I'm trying to tell you guys that when you give something to someone as a gift just because you care about them you don't take it back, hide it etc and hold it over their heads.

This is why a lot of people who think they are nice people are actually not. You don't see the difference between doing a favour for a positive reason, and doing a favour for your own self interest.

I don't feel entitled to anything, Ryan can do whatever he wants. There is a difference between me feeling entitled and me pointing out that Ryan's actions aren't for the good of the elite.

Wouter just one more time for you and other people. I don't care if Ryan keeps the code private. I don't care if Ryan keeps the code private. I don't care if he keeps the code private. BUT, I do care when Ryan keeps the code private AND YOU BLAME GOOSE. What the fuck? It is NO ONE'S fault but YE's if he keeps the code from people.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: SimThreat on September 06, 2013, 08:15:59 am
K.., Goose: If someone gives an incredible, free service, and then you don't like something, please don't then go accusing that person of a lack of morals and a hunger for power. It's not nice, and it's also incredibly hypocritical.


I love the rankings. There isn't something about it I dislike. I'm not argueing to YE to change anything. I'm argueing against people like you that don't understand what 'free' actually means.

Btw I've actually spent a lot of time with YE. I know he has good intentions but he is certainly not thoughtful to others.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on September 06, 2013, 10:59:57 am
Point of the matter is this.

We don't have rankings for full game runs.

Why?

Who can fix this?

The fact you guys don't see the problem here is a joke. WHY is because YE has a full monopoly locked on the rankings. Even if we hired someone new, they wouldn't be able to do it. Karl is right. This is 100% YE's way of feeling powerful in the elite.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: flukey lukey on September 06, 2013, 11:10:50 am
Can't we just give him some money from the ad revenue or something, maybe that would help as an incentive
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Shadow on September 06, 2013, 11:43:57 am
The fact you guys don't see the problem here is a joke. WHY is because YE has a full monopoly locked on the rankings. Even if we hired someone new, they wouldn't be able to do it. Karl is right. This is 100% YE's way of feeling powerful in the elite.
The fact that you keep blaming others and claim to have 100% insight into people's "real" motives is a joke.

1. Elite rankings updated every few days, mediocre.
2. YE works on rankings, makes beautiful system.
3. More than a year later, YE makes this open-source apparently on his own initiative.
4. Goose creates drama, starts new "Elite", says he's going to take YE's code and use it to compete with The Elite.
5. YE gets upset, says that's not why he made it open-source, takes code down.
6. Goose ridicules YE, saying it's only for a power trip.

The Elite had zero obligation to use YE's code. YE had zero obligation to make it for The Elite. Most importantly, YE had zero obligation to make it open-source. If he was on a power trip, why did he open-source it in the first place?

YOU ticked YE off. Why don't YOU apologize?
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: DYM on September 06, 2013, 11:48:17 am
We could just use this page (http://rankings.the-elite.net/goldeneye/single-segments) for all real-time SS runs. It just needs to be cleaned up and edited a little.

Only problem is there's no 100%..
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on September 06, 2013, 12:09:28 pm
You skipped literally 100s of relevant pieces of information in between numbers 3 and 4.  Like about how 100% and All 60 runs became a thing.  And how game time no longer was a thing.  And about Henning's faked single segment runs.  Etc etc.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: 50 on September 06, 2013, 12:38:37 pm
www.New-Elite.net (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfT49HSvRMI&list=TLG84QlUE2Yvo)
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Shadow on September 06, 2013, 12:41:39 pm
Good point Ace. I looked at the code and I think it would be easy to modify the page and add a new "post 100% run" button and all. However, I don't know what the database looks like. Perhaps someone like Flash can look at it?

Edit: I'll try to get the ball rolling on this.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: We Love Spliced Runs on September 06, 2013, 01:25:01 pm
The fact that you keep blaming others and claim to have 100% insight into people's "real" motives is a joke.

1. Elite rankings updated every few days, mediocre.
2. YE works on rankings, makes beautiful system.
3. More than a year later, YE makes this open-source apparently on his own initiative.
4. Goose creates drama, starts new "Elite", says he's going to take YE's code and use it to compete with The Elite.
5. YE gets upset, says that's not why he made it open-source, takes code down.
6. Goose ridicules YE, saying it's only for a power trip.

The Elite had zero obligation to use YE's code. YE had zero obligation to make it for The Elite. Most importantly, YE had zero obligation to make it open-source. If he was on a power trip, why did he open-source it in the first place?

YOU ticked YE off. Why don't YOU apologize?

If YE took the code down because Goose was upsetting him, that's not benefiting the community. Seems like he's hammering the whole community down based on one individual's petty actions. Self-interest is taking priority over improving this place, which is what most people would do. But don't talk like that's not the case.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 06, 2013, 01:28:28 pm
Wouter just one more time for you and other people. I don't care if Ryan keeps the code private. I don't care if Ryan keeps the code private. I don't care if he keeps the code private. BUT, I do care when Ryan keeps the code private AND YOU BLAME GOOSE. What the fuck? It is NO ONE'S fault but YE's if he keeps the code from people.

I am not blaming anyone, I am giving different perspectives and actually suggested that instead of blaming anybody, one could be part of the solution without demeaning others.

The entitlement I am talking about is not about you pointing out anything. It is about your manner of going about it. I have explained it in my prior post, you are free to ask for clarifications for anything that is unclear.

Worth mentioning: You and Goose skillfully avoided addressing the point made about contacting him directly.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Wouter Jansen on September 06, 2013, 01:32:36 pm
If YE took the code down because Goose was upsetting him, that's not benefiting the community. Seems like he's hammering the whole community down based on one individual's petty actions. Self-interest is taking priority over improving this place, which is what most people would do. But don't talk like that's not the case.

Public code is not required to change/improve the rankings. The rankings already exist, so it doesn't become worse without change, it stays the same.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Darth Vader on September 06, 2013, 01:54:44 pm
Wouter: Reason, logic, common sense, smart, rational.

Karl: Pretty fucking dumb. It's alright though, keep studying! :)
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RBlackGoose on September 06, 2013, 05:30:17 pm
I am making new rankings and new elite this weekend, do not worry  :)
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Thiradell on September 06, 2013, 09:11:01 pm
Every post Karl and Goose have made in this topic is insane bullshit. YE made the code private to keep it away from people like you.

"I don't care if Ryan keeps the code private" then shut up. 100% and All 60 aren't a "thing," it's an extra side deal that a few people are doing (two people have done All 60 runs?) If you want a rankings page so you can put yourself on it, then make one. Otherwise, stop treating the guy who actually has done the work like shit, and maybe he'll help you out.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Infected Mind on September 06, 2013, 11:00:20 pm
100% is an actual category, get caught up with the community :P 60 stages is a category, just underplayed. It is similar to the 100% map completion category on www.deertier.com for super metroid. I will be doing 60/60 stages eventually.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on September 07, 2013, 01:36:15 am
LOL THIRADELL

100% is the most common "full game" type speedrun of Goldeneye.  Alex DID IT AT AGDQ in case you didn't notice.  Fucking lolling at your post here.  Amazing.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Smit on September 07, 2013, 03:01:07 am
Wow...  :o
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RBlackGoose on September 07, 2013, 09:03:19 am
still uncommon
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Darth Vader on September 07, 2013, 09:16:48 am
LMFAO TYLER. What a joke :D
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on September 07, 2013, 10:51:55 am
Literally 100s of people in my stream asked for full game rankings page and I didn't have one to give them. You guys know nothing about this life. So just go back to your little hole in the elite chatroom and stop pretending you know what's going on.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on September 07, 2013, 11:45:07 am
I agree with Goose in that some of these features would be nice and only solidify Goldeneye's rankings page as the best on earth.

But I agree with those that are saying that you (Goose) are literally acting like a child.  Your immaturity in dealing with these guys (the admins:  Tyler, Scott, YE, etc) isn't conducive (nor has it ever been) and will produce nothing (as it never has).  How you haven't realized this in the 7-9? (I have no idea how long you've been here-just guessing) years you've been here is baffling.

They all do whatever they do (be it a small amount in your opinion or otherwise) for absolutely nothing from you, Goose.  If I am wrong, then please explain in detail how much you have contributed to THEM (monetary, time, etc).  Perhaps it might help you to see just how much you think you are entitled to when you compare how much you've given them vs. how much they've given you.  With what I've observed and how I have perceived my tenure here, I'd say that without a doubt, they've given more benefits to the community as a whole than you've given to them.  Again, I'd love to hear a decent, non-flaming response from you if you can provide proof of the contrary.

I'm not saying that they can't be a pain in the arse at times (though of late Scott has been better about responding and Tyler is around sufficiently to at least respond often enough).  I have no idea what Come is doing and I'd be lying if I said I know how much NG is involved.  The admins aren't perfect and have been lolly at times, without question, but overall they have been on the incline as far as at least posting goes.

Your popularity, which you seem to enjoy using as leverage has literally nothing to do with what you think the administration owes you, or even the Elite, but like I said, I agree that the features you’re talking about would be great (even though I have zero concern or involvement with the 100% league).

Goose and Karl, you both are legendary players-two of the best of all-time in my opinion and I hope that you remain in the community.   I think that the only thing which trumps your legendary abilities and achievements is your legendary immaturity whenever you want something and want to (apparently) contribute nothing for your request.  This is my own perception of the situation in a nutshell and likely doesn’t reflect anyone else’s view.  Obviously others share the same thoughts on some of my points.

If I were the one who so passionately wanted to implement something, I’d offer a cash donation to whomever was going to be the one doing the work (YE, for instance, since he designed the code for the ranks).  That’s just me personally and not everyone else would contribute in that way and that’s fine.  Others might trade tech favors, or give another gift, but since I know less than zero about tech and computers, I’d opt for a cash gift.  Perhaps, to get a little, you simply ought to offer a little (other than a verbal confirmation of you own twitch-popularity (LOL)).  Also, I certainly would NOT bash them in the way that you so vehemently do-ESPECIALLY publically.

Hopefully you can begin to understand what I’m saying, but if not, oh well, just another irrel rant.

/endirrelrant
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on September 07, 2013, 11:49:58 am
Literally 100s of people in my stream asked for full game rankings page and I didn't have one to give them. You guys know nothing about this life. So just go back to your little hole in the elite chatroom and stop pretending you know what's going on.

Step 1: 

"Hey admins, literally 100s of people in my stream asked for full game rankings page and I didn't have one to give them.  It would be awesome to implement this idea and to spread our popularity among other gaming communities.  How could I personally help to acheive this?  Thanks."  ;)

Step 2:

Wait PATIENTLY as it would only be a FAVOR if this were done.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Shadow on September 07, 2013, 11:56:29 am
Jumping back into this madhouse briefly to say that YE responded to my email by saying that 100% is still on his list to do. I've offered to help him in any way I can (I know enough html to be dangerous). However, I don't think this is high on his life's priority list, so patience is requisite.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: ManceGaydar on September 07, 2013, 12:11:26 pm
LOL why would you waste your time with that long post trying to teach Goose the manners and common sense that most 4 year olds have mastered? It's been tried 100s of times, and ignored, your post will make absolutely no difference.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Darth Vader on September 07, 2013, 12:55:40 pm
your post will make absolutely no difference.

Your pressence in the elite will make no difference either. Nobody gives a shit about you :kappa: :kappa: :kappa:
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: ManceGaydar on September 07, 2013, 01:10:39 pm
That was so unbelievably hurtful.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Boss on September 07, 2013, 01:41:09 pm
Why not just use this topic http://elite.speedrunwiki.com/forum/index.php?topic=18208.0 for now or just sticky a new topic with all the real times? As long as there's a quick link to it, they don't NEED to be on the formal rankings as the YE ones are mostly for ILs.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: DYM on September 07, 2013, 01:46:50 pm
Just realised the times there aren't even updated either. :kappa:

I agree with Boss. With some HTML you can make a fancy table too.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Boss on September 07, 2013, 01:52:56 pm
They could be similar to these. http://www.deertier.com/RealTime.aspx
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on September 07, 2013, 03:07:44 pm
Afan and others

From 2005-2007 I did "ask politely and wait patiently" while nothing got done.

Once I started being belligerent, things started getting done.  It isn't pretty, but it works.  Asking politely and waiting patiently doesn't.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: DYM on September 07, 2013, 03:29:54 pm
Well I just realised these boards don't even support HTML and the tables in BBCode are really ugly to work with so Goose's rankings will have to do for now (unless someone wants to make a Google Doc or something but those tend to be pretty crappy too).
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on September 07, 2013, 03:37:15 pm
Is it possible to make a post PUBLIC?  So that everyone can update their times into that topic easily.  It's a lot of maintenance, and if you fall behind, it's hard to catch up and get everyone's times in there.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Thiradell on September 07, 2013, 05:11:51 pm
From the SS thread I see that six people have done 100% runs, and two have done All 60. There's hundreds of people on the ranks, 122 have done LTK in some respect, etc. I know what the categories are (I've watched both All 60 runs in full); people were quick to assume that my post disregarded them, when really I was saying they've hardly been played in comparison to the other things that are ranked. It seems that a fraction of people have bothered to put up their full-game runs on the ranks right now, so I'm not sure why you want 100% and All 60 so much since, as I said before, there would barely be anyone ranked.

I understand the problem with real time vs. game time as well; it would be nice to see YE separate those somehow. But again, when every request is coated in "why the fuck hasn't this been done" and "the admins don't care at all," it saps the desire people had to help out.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RBlackGoose on September 07, 2013, 05:35:35 pm
obviously he wants that because he is one of the six that played it, his name is there, he wants to be popular etc.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on September 07, 2013, 05:58:30 pm
Cause and effect. People play LTK BECAUSE there are rankings. Remember the DLTK ranks in 2005? That white, hand updated page? Yeah. If you make something seem more official, more people will play it.

As someone who has put great effort into spreading the word  GoldenEye speed rurunning, I hope you can understand why it really saps the life out of me when no one is helping the cause (by making proper rankings, etc.)
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: ManceGaydar on September 07, 2013, 06:00:54 pm
First good post by Goose in this thread, well done.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: speedruntrainer on September 07, 2013, 07:52:58 pm
Well, yeah, indeed, Goose. I also play because there are rankings. Motivates more.
The Enemy Rockets topic for example, nice league to play it but I didn't because there are no rankings so I don't even feel like playing it then, I know it's lots of fun but I just don't have the feeling to play when there are no rankings for them so I play other things which has rankings.

I looked on the GE and PD full runs, either barely people play or the rankings are outdated. Motivates me less. Did a Perfect Dark Agent run (which failed) but I didn't try it everyday, just once in a while.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: flukey lukey on September 07, 2013, 11:05:06 pm
I'm going for the Low% record in November
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Infected Mind on September 08, 2013, 02:43:20 pm
You can't upload videos to the SS rankings without a video. You can upload any IL time without a video, it will just get proofcalled
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Infected Mind on September 08, 2013, 02:50:23 pm
Also I will double post anyways.

Top GE players :

Ace - has 100% wr
clemens - had 100% wr at one point
marc - had 100% wr
goose
me
axz
illu


Look and note how theres actually 7, and how most of these players are in the top 10. These are community leaders, most of which competed in this category. This category isn't childs play, its a fucking hard category and many eliters are too scared/not prepared to compete in it at the moment. Once rankings are implemented, more people will try out the category since they won't only be going against the worlds best. eventually people of similar skill levels will play it and it will gain momentum.

This category is the most respected amongst top players, and the viewers of the game
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RBlackGoose on September 08, 2013, 05:37:19 pm
Thats sad, you played the not most respected category (i mean normal rankings) for more than 10 years :(
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: RWG on September 08, 2013, 08:49:36 pm
I had the 100% at one point too (when only Axel Z had completed it :kappa: ) Actually Axel Z's 1:15:XX was WR too!

Thiradell not believing 100% is significant/not caring/not understanding why rankings are important/being an unholy dick just shows his GE cluelessness.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Boss on September 08, 2013, 09:12:47 pm
I might learn PD 100% down the road when I get bored. It will take a long time though most likely. You'd have to beat the game on PA and A/SA cheat levels and complete all the guns in firing range for Duel. I don't see the point in beating coop or the challenges though.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Infected Mind on September 09, 2013, 02:02:36 am
Axel never had the record, I had 1:12 when he posted the 1:15. But it doesn't really matter :P
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: AZ on September 09, 2013, 05:44:23 am
I got 1:23:11 on July 2nd, 2008: http://elite.speedrunwiki.com/forum/index.php?topic=870.msg290697#msg290697

not sure if Alex achieved 1:12 before that date. But it doesn't really matter :P :kappa:
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: DYM on September 09, 2013, 05:46:26 am
No video = no WR.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Thiradell on September 09, 2013, 10:13:39 am
Sorry for dissing 100% for no reason, lost my cool. 100% is usually my favorite category in games, I'll get off my butt and submit a 2:XX:XX before too long
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Infected Mind on September 10, 2013, 08:01:21 pm
Ok so in 2008 you had the WR, Didnt know about that time :P
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on October 03, 2013, 01:14:35 pm
I just checked Axel's "Proven Rankings" and it shows that I have Surface 1 00A 1:51.  My video proof is more than acceptable, thus making his "Proven Rankings" illegitimate!  PROVE ME WRONG!


 :kappa:

Also, suck it Luke!  I'm proven to be ranked higher than you!   :nesquik:
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: AZ on October 03, 2013, 05:11:51 pm
PROVE ME WRONG!

Gladly, I just updated the rankings.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: flicker on October 03, 2013, 05:39:38 pm
PROVE ME WRONG!

Gladly, I just updated the rankings.

Hell yeah I moved up to 89th from 91st!
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on October 03, 2013, 06:51:35 pm
Luke, post your F-ing vids so that you are proven higher than me!
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: flukey lukey on October 03, 2013, 07:04:06 pm
I'm pretty bad like that Shawn, if I haven't uploaded a vid it probably means I didn't capture the run or the recording went into the rubbish bin. this is my last 4 weeks of uni forever, so soon I'll have the time to go get dumb stuff like Egypt 46s and cradle 00a and shoot for top 5 60/60 etc
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Aztec Exemplar on October 03, 2013, 09:56:58 pm
Omg Luke gonna rip through top 10.
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on October 03, 2013, 11:42:26 pm
I'm pretty bad like that Shawn, if I haven't uploaded a vid it probably means I didn't capture the run or the recording went into the rubbish bin. this is my last 4 weeks of uni forever, so soon I'll have the time to go get dumb stuff like Egypt 46s and cradle 00a and shoot for top 5 60/60 etc

<3
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on October 21, 2013, 01:36:50 pm
plz update front page to Shawn Johnson being 60/60

<3
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: AZ on October 21, 2013, 02:26:30 pm
done
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: Scrambler Fanny on October 21, 2013, 05:00:31 pm
thanks, ACKE!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Proven Goldeneye World Rankings
Post by: AZ on October 21, 2013, 05:06:28 pm
you're welcome, FANNY!!!!!!!!