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The Big Three Plus One => GoldenEye 007 => Topic started by: flukey lukey on September 08, 2013, 01:37:39 am
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So I've been thinking about Low% as being a potential category to run in Goldeneye 007. Here are my initial thoughts and observations as well as some of a conversation had between me and Ryan in twithchat.
- Low% is defined as beating the game (Cradle, Aztec and Egyptian all potential versions of beating the game) with the lowest number of Cheats unlocked as possible.
- All but 3 of the Cheats in the game are target time based - so completely avoidable.
- Beating Cradle, Aztec and Egypt on any difficulty in any time will give you a Cheat, so these are unavoidable.
- So far I can think of 3 Categories here:
Cradle Low% or lowest% or Magnum% (beat Cradle on any difficulty while only unlocking the Magnum)
Aztec Low% or medium% or Laser% (beat Aztec on any difficulty while only unlocking the Magnum & Laser)
Egyptian Low% or super low% or Golden Gun% (beat Egyptian on any difficulty while only unlocking the Magnum, Laser and Golden Gun)
Magnum% looks like it would be the most interesting - It would be a bad idea to start on Agent because of the 5:00 target time on Runway Agent.
Laser% looks really interesting to route because of trolls like Control SA 10:00 as well as Caverns 00A 9:30 - you could play up to control on 00A and then switch to SA for Caverns, Cradle and Aztec. On Aztec you just switch to Agent so you can beat it without having to wait for 9:00.
PS: i just realised i closed the chat window so i can't past the discussion with Goose here. oh well, post your thoughts.
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I think it's likely possible to beat the game with NO CHEATS...
"Beating the game" is usually defined as getting the end cinema, the credits. So if you played on 00A+SA the whole way through, you can probably not even get the magnum at all.
Magnum% is interesting and routing on it would be insanely cool too. Dam 2:10 + Fac 2:06 + Runway 40 = roughly 5:00... clearly faster than a Dam 55 + Facility 50 + Runway 5:00 if you were playing on Agent.
My inclination is to go 00A from Dam to Surface 1, then SA from B1 to Jungle, then Agent from Control to Cradle, but this needs a little more thought.
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Might be faster to do Dam 00a --> Fac SA --> Runway SA --> S1 A --> B1 A + SA
I'm assuming that the other strat is 2:10 + 2:06 + 40 + ~1:55(?) + ~26(?) = 7:17
The strat above is 2:10 + ~1:03(?) + ~32(?) (Safe nade strat) 1:04 + 20 + ~26(?) = 5:35
Not sure if my estimated times are correct but this strat seems much faster.
The only problem with this category is that if we find better strats which involves switching difficulties a bunch, it might get confusing.
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I think once you downgrade to agent you can't go back up to Secret Agent unfortunately. So S1 A + B1 A wouldn't unlock B1 SA. However that is indeed genius lol.
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Yeah you're right. So your original starting strat is solid.
If we use original strat: Silo SA 1:30(?) + Frigate SA 4:31 + S2 SA 1:16(?) + B2 SA 0:59(?) + Statue SA 3:16 + Archives SA 0:56 + Streets 1:59 + Depot SA 1:41 + Train SA 1:50(?) + Jungle SA 1:06(?) + Control Agent 4:10(?) + Caverns 1:06 + Cradle Agent 2:16 = 26:36
A different strat (changes in bold/italic): Silo SA 1:30(?) + Frigate A 0:40 + S2 A 0:55 + B2 A 1:31 + Statue A 2:27(?) + Archives A 0:18 + Streets A 1:46 + Depot A 0:29 + Train A 1:15(?) + Jungle A 3:46( :kappa:) + Control A 4:10(?) + Caverns A 1:06 + Cradle A 2:16 = 22:09
Best I can think of at the moment.
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I think the fastest route would be 00A from Dam to S1, then SA from B1 to B2, and then A from Statue to Cradle. You avoid 2 cheats and the Agent levels are done faster. Jungle would be a slower but I still think this would be the best route.
Edit - Yeah Mirror's seems like the best. Completely forgot about Frigate SA lol.
I thought this would be an irrel category (low% is generally silly, this is why you don't see e.g. Ennopp doing low% in MM or Sig doing 0 stars) since you'd have to wait for the target times to pass for a lot of levels, but there's still a lot of skill / luck involved here. :kappa:
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Gotta say I would look forward to watching / running magnum% if anyone does it. Mostly just for fucking around during target time levels. :kappa: Gonna be amazing to waste 3 min on jungle. :nesquik:
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Isn't it possible to use the TNS glitch to avoid getting the cheats while continuing on to the next level? If so you could for example detonate mines on Jungle really late and time the elevator entrance, and hope to get it. Ez 2 minutes saved :nesquik: :kappa:
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That sounds too hard, isn't TNS last frame completion?
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Actually Henrik's idea is pretty good. We might need to make a new route in that case.
It might be hard (especially since Jungle is laggy), but a lot of tricks are hard in full game runs. Low% doesn't have that much luck involved. What is your point? :kappa:
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This seems fun :D :kappa:
Might give it a try later.
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NEW BEGINNING STRAT
So in the beginning it's Dam 00 2:10 + Fac 00 2:06 + Runway 00 40 + S1 00 1:55(?) + B1 SA 26(?) + Silo SA 1:30(?) = 8:47
New strat: Dam 00 2:10 + Fac SA 1:03(?) + Runway SA 0:32 + S1 A 1:04 + B1 A 20 + Silo A 3:01 = 8:08
is amazing but sadly another waiting level. Pretty much an agent run from S1 until Cradle with a few waiting levels.
EDIT: May not be too big of a gain since I may have overestimated the Silo SA time (1:30). Just saw Ace's SA run and he got 1:15.
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dam 00a 2:05
fac sa 1:05
run sa 0:30
s1 a 1:05
b1 a 0:20
silo a 3:05
frig a 0:40
s2 a 0:55
b2 a 1:35
stat a 2:30
arch a 0:20
streets a 1:50
depot a 0:30
train a 1:15
jungle a 1:05 (tns??, otherwise 3:50)
cntrl a 4:05
cav a 1:05
cradle a 1:50
25:50
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I thought it was 2:15. Don't blame me. (http://strategywiki.org/wiki/GoldenEye_007/Cheats)
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Yeah I saw that site and then I deleted my post lol. Then I checked other sites and they said 2:15. lololol
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It's 2:15. It's also 3:15 for Statue, a couple others might be off on that site. :kappa:
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Figured it might be worth compiling a list of levels where tns might be possible:
Facility 00A - Time the exit
Frigate SA - Not realistic
Surface 2 00A ? - Throw mine and have it land during the fadeout???
Statue SA - Kill Natalya, time the exit
Archives 00A - Same as Statue
Train 00A - Time the exit
Jungle A - Detonate mines late, time the exit
Control SA - Same as Jungle
Aztec SA - Insert guidance data during last frames of fadeout using 2.x, tns = skip the laser cheat i guess? Low% SA = Magnum%?
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You can TNS on Runway SA as well I think.
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That Aztec SA strat seems insane, never knew about that
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This category is dumb and you should all feel bad Kappa
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All the best games need lots of irrel categories :nesquik:
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Get 17:03 or worse for the easiest TNS :kappa:
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Play it if you're bored but this is ridiculously stupid.
You have 60 additional "categories" that most of the games you're comparing GE to do not have. Why do you need more?
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You can TNS on Runway SA as well I think.
Yeah there are lots of other TNS levels, but i was only referring to those with cheat-unlocks.
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So I just got a 49:10 on stream.
{layed on 00A to Control, then Caverns/Cradle SA, in hopes that I would unlock NO cheats. Unfortunately beating Cradle SA DOES unlock the Magnum. So the lowest% possible is indeed Magnum%.
This means that the 00A to SA to Agent route is indeed the fastest.
Will go for lower another day :kappa:
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Blew something like a 31:5x on my first ever try on Cradle Agent.
My thoughts on this category: irrel and boring. Most of it is just Agent with the occasional wait 2 min for the cheat time to pass.
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"» should have done Silo sA dude
» I dunno what strat this is
» but there was no need to not do B1 SA + Silo SA
» would have been 100x faster"
Then I would have to wait ~1.5 min at S1 SA..
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To be honest, this is a boring category. I just enjoyed making up the strat. It's basically an agent run with some waiting.
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Just got 36:06. The WORLD RECORD since Ace is apparently incapable of completing a run :kappa:
Yeah it seems like the fastest strat is actually Dam SA 2:40 (lose 30 seconds compared to 00A) + Facility SA 1:05 (gain 60 sec compared to 00A) + Runway SA 30 (gain 15 on 00A) then S1 Agent and it becomes an agent run.
I will use that strat next run.
I guess first somewhat reasonable completion and I'll call it lol.
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theres no reason why this category should become official
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Just got 36:06. The WORLD RECORD since Ace is apparently incapable of completing a run :kappa:
Yeah it seems like the fastest strat is actually Dam SA 2:40 (lose 30 seconds compared to 00A) + Facility SA 1:05 (gain 60 sec compared to 00A) + Runway SA 30 (gain 15 on 00A) then S1 Agent and it becomes an agent run.
I will use that strat next run.
I guess first somewhat reasonable completion and I'll call it lol.
Don't do Dam SA 2:40, just do Dam 00a 2:10 lol.
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LOL true wtf am I thinking
Yes I agree there is no need for YE to create a rankings for Low% as it is completely less serious than 100% and All 60, but Low% is indeed fun to play casually because the viewers can't tell the difference and they get hyped for those "WRs" :kappa:
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GoldenEye 007 Low% 32:42 :nesquik: :kappa:
http://www.twitch.tv/rwhitegoose/c/2911204
I'm so happy to add yet another WR to my storied GoldenEye 007 career.