Why not give him the 1 month time frame to get proof online?
I support the notion to remove Berube's 53. Given that there is no proof, the time it was achieved, and his skill as shown by his other times.
War :54 is not a significant WR. I don't see what the hassle is over for a time that is over 11 years old.
War :54 is not a significant WR. I don't see what the hassle is over for a time that is over 11 years old.
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Why not give him the 1 month time frame to get proof online?
The proof policy isn't the infallible word of god.
This time is different to others because the time is way too good compared to his other times and was achieved at an insane date. It's very similar to your 54 and I see the only reason you're so quick to defend this random time that you know nothing about is because you know your time is in the same boat.
I did the same for Dam :54 at the time I achieved it, doesn't mean it is significant. But I said that based on what the proof policy deems as a "significant record".
Subsection ii) Significant Records
A record is deemed "significant" and thus requiring captured, standard quality proof, in the following cases:
- it is an untied world record
- it is a tied world record, tied by fewer than 11 people
- it is a non-tied time worth 92 or more points (an untied 4th or 3rd place time on a level, ie: Attack Ship PA 3:13, Aztec 00 Agent 1:41, etc)
- any time ranked ahead of all but 5 people (ie: an untied 6th place time, a tied 5th place time 1 second faster than 7th, etc)
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- any other record that is deemed significant by the council or community
In other words, if your time is so good that it beats everyone else on the level, except for a small handful of 5 people, it is a significant record and requires quality proof. All players should strive to provide quality proof, but for significant records, poor quality proof will count as no proof.
Actually, I do think that any 80+ point times need proof. I think all of them are significant enough for proof, with the exception of Duel 0:03. Because a monkey could get it - hence why everyone that tries to get that time, has it.
at the very least remove it from the board top. it looks fucking ridiculous
But requiring proof on a time that is over 10 years old, regardless of who got it, should not be removed because of the lack of proof. That time was accepted and has been accepted for years. It's a part of the rankings and accuracy of those that submitted times to The Elite.
Actually, I do think that any 80+ point times need proof. I think all of them are significant enough for proof, with the exception of Duel 0:03. Because a monkey could get it - hence why everyone that tries to get that time, has it.
But requiring proof on a time that is over 10 years old, regardless of who got it, should not be removed because of the lack of proof. That time was accepted and has been accepted for years. It's a part of the rankings and accuracy of those that submitted times to The Elite.
Rape, incest, genocide, many other things were "allowed" in many cultures for hundreds of years until people became enlightened and realized better.
Actually, I do think that any 80+ point times need proof. I think all of them are significant enough for proof, with the exception of Duel 0:03. Because a monkey could get it - hence why everyone that tries to get that time, has it.
But requiring proof on a time that is over 10 years old, regardless of who got it, should not be removed because of the lack of proof. That time was accepted and has been accepted for years. It's a part of the rankings and accuracy of those that submitted times to The Elite.
Yes, I agree that historical times are an issue. But I certainly think that in this day and age, evidence of some kind must be considered mandatory for good pointed times (even webcam). I do think though that we do need a re-evaluation of historical times. Maybe offer an extended period for them to get their evidence sorted? I know a lot of the players from back then are not active anymore; but that also means that they probably won't care if the times get removed as part of a clean-up procedure.
I support the notion to remove Berube's 53. Given that there is no proof, the time it was achieved, and his skill as shown by his other times.
I don''t support removing Matis'' 16 as he does have skill.
Berube's other times (including Depot 0:26 proven) show he could've easily gotten Dam 0:53 for real. Eric Bond recently getting 0:53 with some similar times on Agent shows this further. The time can't come down.
Berube's other times (including Depot 0:26 proven) show he could've easily gotten Dam 0:53 for real.
Berube's other times (including Depot 0:26 proven) show he could've easily gotten Dam 0:53 for real. Eric Bond recently getting 0:53 with some similar times on Agent shows this further. The time can't come down.
Considering all the subtle strat optimizations we've implemented and knowledge of the game we've gained in the past 11 years, it really isn't fair to compare Eric's 53 with Dan's. It's a much different story tying a time that only one person has gotten vs. tying a time that nearly 40 other people have gotten.
I'm pretty sure every person who has actively played GE + PD at a serious level in the last 8 years agrees that every 80+ pointer should have a video.
trying to do this will only cloud the true history of the-elite, rather than clarifying or helping it.
Removing times that have been imprinted in The Elite's history books for all these years and have created an extremely accurate representation of skill and dedication toward the game just because we want to proof call the time 10 years down the road, is absurd to say the least. These times show a timestamp of what records people were getting at what date. It shows progression of skills and is a stepping stone to what The Elite has become today. These records are part of the reason why we have the times that we do today. Removing them will create a gap in the history of The Elite and will forever keep people wondering what may have taken place.
I'm turning into Axel. The Elite/Rankings are extremely important to me and I know damn well a consensus decision will never be reached. If I hadn't said anything in Mouser's chat, I bet no one would have noticed.
Quotetrying to do this will only cloud the true history of the-elite, rather than clarifying or helping it.
Preserving the elite's history by keeping a time on the ranks that the majority of active players feel should be taken down is disrespectful. Why is this clarification so important? It isn't. Anyone who cares enough will remember this time even if it's not on the ranks.
I can see not wanting every darn discussion hashed and rehashed all the time too.
This time is different to others because the time is way too good compared to his other times and was achieved at an insane date. It's very similar to your 54 and I see the only reason you're so quick to defend this random time that you know nothing about is because you know your time is in the same boat.
It is interesting how people who do not have 53 are claiming they have any idea about what skill is required to get 53. It's also interesting how all of the people who think the time should remain on the ranks are more or less irrelevant on the GE ranks.
If you think the time is being taken down just because it's a WR with no video you have NO CLUE what this issue is about. When you say things like "if this time gets removed then other WR times without proof should be removed" it further demonstrates that you have NO CLUE what the issue is here.
This isn't just about a WR without a vid. It's a unique scenario where a player with no other times that require skill claiming an insane WR with no proof at an insane date.
Do not talk about 'precedents'. You don't have to set a 'precedent' with every fucking action you take. Seriously, look at the situation and make logical decisions. "The time has to remain on the rankings because it's old" is the most retarded argument I've ever seen. Actually use your brains please. If you have a logical reason for this time to remain then state it.
Essentially all of the good players are saying this time likely was not achieved. For VARIOUS reasons. You choose to blatantly overlook this because of some principal you are pulling out of your ass.
There is not a single other person who got 53 that doesn't either have mutiple WR's or at least some other strong times with a full times page.
Rayola's posts and actions remind me of me when I was 16. Seriously bro, are you having a midlife crisis or something?
Dam is not a "skill" level. It 75% luck with a little bit of strafing tightly at the end. 40 people wouldn't have :53 if it was a "skilled" time.
There are so many questionable times from the past, and we simply have no way of telling which ones are real/fake. Beginning a removal process now would be very complicated and surely end up in the removal of many legit and historical times.
Who actually supports the time being up?
Ngamer? That's about it?
I'm considering pursuing legal action on Ngamer to rid him from this community. If he's gone, everything changes for the better.
40 people wouldn't have :53 if it was a "skilled" time.
Why not just implement a proven rankings into the current elite rankings (i.e. filter by video icons) and make everyone happy? It can't be that hard.Didn't a proven ranking exist before? Personally I don't have any strong opinions on this particular Berube case, but I think Axel shares some good points in his latest post. With the ranks the way they are I guess it's inevitable that there is some uncertainty whether a few times (WRs or not) were actually achieved. Having separate proven rankings would sort out a lot though and maybe in the future the proven rankings would be more important and sort of more prestigious than the normal ranking.
Is Glen Stevens really proven as poorly as his current timespage suggests? Lol, rankings-integrity-wise that'd be ridiculous.
Didn't a proven ranking exist before?
It is interesting how people who do not have 53 are claiming they have any idea about what skill is required to get 53. It's also interesting how all of the people who think the time should remain on the ranks are more or less irrelevant on the GE ranks.
If you think the time is being taken down just because it's a WR with no video you have NO CLUE what this issue is about. When you say things like "if this time gets removed then other WR times without proof should be removed" it further demonstrates that you have NO CLUE what the issue is here.
This isn't just about a WR without a vid. It's a unique scenario where a player with no other times that require skill claiming an insane WR with no proof at an insane date.
Do not talk about 'precedents'. You don't have to set a 'precedent' with every fucking action you take. Seriously, look at the situation and make logical decisions. "The time has to remain on the rankings because it's old" is the most retarded argument I've ever seen. Actually use your brains please. If you have a logical reason for this time to remain then state it.
Essentially all of the good players are saying this time likely was not achieved. For VARIOUS reasons. You choose to blatantly overlook this because of some principal you are pulling out of your ass.