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The Big Three Plus One => GoldenEye 007 => Topic started by: Imperfect Clark on May 02, 2014, 12:26:26 am
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Not that I've had a lot of practice...
But probably seen 1000+ WR posts at this point and could probably write a thesis on the ways they vary and why....
Let's observe veteran Karl Jobst:
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Notice how he seems almost bored with his record -- can't be bothered with moving pinkie 1 cm to capitalize letters. Does he really need to use whale fonts for you to know this is a whale time?
He's been there before. Kudos to the newbs that resist the urge to shout their records at us, perhaps wise enough to realize that no one gives a damn about Archives 0:16 (not to say 0:16 isn't ridiculously good and hard as shit to get... )
Case Study: Hockey players. borderline brainwashed to suppress their egos to the point of not even acknowledging personal accomplishments. Consider, by contrast, all those NBA or NFL interviews where a player does a terrible job of disguising their pride with regurgitated sentiments like "To be mentioned alongside (whoever) is an honor, but I'm not worried about personal achievements, etc..." - managing to prolong the focus on themselves and their accomplishment while taking credit for being modest and team-first. A hockey player would just answer by talking about the team's objectives in the next period, seldom using "I" or "me". It's a form of leadership and swagger in its own right.
That said, I totally failed to see this back when I was getting WRs in GE, spilling my exuberance everywhere. After my first untied I posted a new topic for it (sin #1) in all caps (sin #2) with a title like "AMAZING UNTIED RECORD" (sin #3). Randy Buikema tied my record a few weeks later. I ate humble pie for days upon days
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...OK?
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I posted my untied records 10 years ago back in monster fonts, but everything else after that in the standard Surface 1 Agent 1:02* type style, which is more of a tribute to Boss than anything. Once you get over the initial reaction and twitch chat congratulates you, the RSS feed up top is usually good enough to boast your record. Actually posting it is more of a formality and the high is gone by that point :p
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this was starting to get mildly interesting and then just ended Derek. Do you plan on adding to this? Is further analysis required?
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or not post on the ranks and just post in thread to go classic :smokin:
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this was starting to get mildly interesting and then just ended Derek. Do you plan on adding to this? Is further analysis required?
this
"how to post a WR"
doesnt provide steps on how to post wr :kappa:
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(https://i.imgur.com/Ya5ovkN.png)
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the only reason why Karl posts it like that is because of his typical "it's nothing/no effort" image.
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Carathorn has no idea what he is talking about. I post like that because the time has already been mentioned and talked about in twitch chat, its already on top of the boards in the feed. I just post it there cause you guys love the topic so much.
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trolled :D
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trolled :D
this comes to mind
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No time to be deceived, oh brother you should know and not believe.
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Clark is saying that you should always be humble when you post a world record; regardless of how insane it is. It is obvious that the person is gloating when they use huge, colored font and exclamation marks.
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(https://i.imgur.com/C1Hvc5X.gif)
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i don't think there's anything wrong about expressing pride/excitement in a time by posting it in big fonts/using colors. it doesn't make a person seem arrogant or obnoxious.
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I agree with greenshell. Even the easiest WRs are a challenge for most players and require a lot of hours to actually pull off. After finally pulling it off, you can understand that people will be both excited and proud. I get like that with most PRs - probably more so when I finally pull off a GE WR.
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Different players have different WR posts. If Goose didn't post 17 pictures from Frozen, it wouldn't be Goose. If everybody posted like Karl, the WR topic would be super boring tbh
The hockey vs. other sports thing is pretty absurd, don't hockey players throw their hands in the air every time they score a goal? Saying hockey players are all humble while NBA/NFL are all proud is beyond ridic, plus hockey is more of a team game. Tim Duncan can drop 35 and not celebrate at all, it just depends on the person. If somebody wants to scream "YES I GOT THIS TIME" they should, it's exciting for them and everyone else. Why else do we have font size 80 with colors?
Also: hockey players belong to a team. People playing for WRs do not, and we still get plenty of shoutouts "thanks to Clemens for showing me what I was doing wrong" etc.
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It is impossible to be conscious of being unconscious. Therefore we are immortal. #thetruth
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They say when you die your life flashes before your eyes - but it runs at actual, real life speed. How do you know you aren't already dying right now, re-experiencing reading this post as it clicks in your memory?
You are now conscious of your entire being.
(https://i.imgur.com/Da6ob5s.gif) fuuuuck
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I always viewed the WR posts as a opportunity to celebrate getting a goal time and reflect on my feeling of excitement or , sometimes, disappointment. Generally the way I feel when I post a WR is reflected in how I post it, and I believe the same can be said for most people. Some people just dont express their emotions in the same way. The whole time at VA i dont think I heard karl yell once. He just sat there silent the entire time, and this personality trait is reflected in how he posts a wr. It isnt cocky or anything to add fancy colors, it just depends on who it is.
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clem nailed it
-get untieds or die tryin
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I quite like this series from Mr. Lockwood. I believe the size has some correlation to the record's significance. Haven't figured out what the colors indicate though.
Skipped 1:13 This one is for Marc who said My strafing was bad! It was pretty good in this run. you make me sad saying that behind my back Marc! :( My strafing will get better though dont worry
Streets Agent 1:12
Streets Secret Agent 1:55
Streets 00 Agent 1:55
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for the record I like Karl's understated posts, but he should fucking learn how to type 00A
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LOL all of my posts about Thiradell have been deleted. This is a joke.
Derek Clark, you are our last hope. I pray you read my email well and you decide what's needed to take the right steps in improving this place. This is a disaster right now.
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who started this "OOA" thing? Shawn Johnson? It looks awful if you ask me.
(no offense Shawn)
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yeah the "OOA" thing makes me cringe everytime, it looks terrible.
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Yeah it's definitely 00A.
Reminds me of Adam Matis - Caverns AG 1:03
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You guys are quite serious about these WR posts. Sure, I sometimes make the text bigger or in colour if I get a really good untied WR in TimeSplitters (especially a few years ago when people still cared about the games), but I usually just forget and it doesn't really matter anyway.
Not sure why you'd write your WR post in lower case letters if you can correctly capitalize in your other posts, though. That intentional inconsistency does leave the impression that you think you're just too cool to care.
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Every WR anyone gets is an accomplishment they should be proud of, and posting it in fancy colors etc makes it feel like one.
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I agree that intentionally using incorrect capitalization etc to seem "too cool to care" is tilting. Why do you think I swept the money up off the table in VA when I beat Karl? Because it felt good to put the cocky bastard in his place :nesquik:
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I'm all for everyone posting their times exactly how they want to. I'm also proud of my WR's unless I state otherwise because I don't think every WR is a good time/score. I'm not proud of my Dam 53 with 2.2 for example. I'd be a lot more proud if I got a non-WR time I consider to be difficult for me and that I worked hard for to achieve.
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I think we're all in agreement, if you say ooa or OOA in the WR topic, you're permabanned.
Good thread.
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I went over the edge with the 114 post, but in reality it could be my last untied WR ever in the game. Untieds are pretty special and should be expressed as such if the person wants to imo.
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if you can get a GE WR you can post it however you want
/aids thread
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Wheat is right. If you get teh WR you can post it however you want.
I don't post in lower case to try and seem too cool. WTF? Anyone who thinks that is either moronic or has dangerously low self esteem.
Case: If you're a negetive person you take actions by others as negetively. You can only see what you are. If think others are trying to be too cool it means you do it yourself. Get a life.
I post like that because it's makes no fucking difference how I post it. What matters is that bad boy on the ranks.
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Besides, anyone on twitch chat at the time of my achieving a WR knows that I talk it up hardcore. So there's no way I'm trying to play the too cool card.
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lol at "1:03 AG Caverns". oh adam. :-*
Wheat is right. If you get teh WR you can post it however you want.
Oh ok, glad it's settled. lol... Why is it that very post on the Internet has to be "won" by someone? This post was meant to be open-ended; an invitation to explore perspectives on something that we all are a part of but rarely discuss. Karl's post was just an example that was suitable for debate.
The one stance I *did* take was showing admiration for guys being nonchalant and humble (seeming) in moments of personal glory... it's a matter of sportsmanship, something I value quite a bit. I used hockey personas as an example and why Third got so agitated on the topic = wat...? lol.
I realize that the way things are now, posting in the WR thread is somewhat of a formality and that people already got the word from other outlets. But 10 years ago the WR thread was the place where the news broke, so it was especially interesting to see creative posts that kept you in suspense perhaps (e.g. having to highlight the page or decrypt something). It's from this perspective that the "runway ooa 35" kind of post was always intriguing... "Is he just too cool for school?" "Is he using the letter 'o' to troll us?"
Third - my opinions are not "absurd"; I resent that word choice. You know me well enough to know I'm reasonable... it should have been clear that I was using hockey *culture* as a point of reference, using other major sports (that more plainly parade individual personalities) as a contrasting example. I was not saying all hockey players are humble... I was saying that they are more inclined to *act* humble. NFL and NBA players routinely say things in post-game interviews that you'd never hear from a hockey player... not because hockey players are more humble/modest/holy/whatever, but because they have come up in a culture where that kind of sportsmanship (shifting attention to the team vs. the individual) is supremely important. But the parallel I really wanted to draw was how unbelievably, almost rudely succinct hockey players are in interviews... comparing that to "runway ooa 35", a post so bare that it seems to knowingly ignore the audience's desire for more insight. Debating whether or not players from sport X or Y are more humble is definitely not where I meant to go.
Dismissing hockey player comparison because it's a team sport = completely misses the point. We're simply talking about the different ways that competitors outwardly manages their reactions to personal accomplishments. <-- thesis statement #readingcomprehension #criticalthinking
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Has nothing to do with hockey specifically; there's so little crossover in upbringing from hockey (mostly middle->rich non american white) and other sports (mostly black americans; many of whom grew up poor) that no matter what there would be a difference in attitude. We (america) also praise the individual over the team culture wise as well. If we played hockey we'd act the same damn way. HE GOT JACKED UP segments would've just been hockey instead of football (if you remember these before that whole concussion thing; where we celebrated others getting knocked unconscious).
That's fine if you prefer the general boring ho hum ness, but that sucks (free agency has hurt somewhat, can't bash the guy who might be your teammate next week/year, the old days where people didn't change teams much was amazing in this regard, people literally hated each other and didn't care who knew it, nowadays it'd get front page news [despite it not being news at all, people dislike each other news at 11]) and brash is far more interesting and people have figured that out here.
If we all did the same thing it'd be boring as hell. A mix of things is good.
edit--given this is the internet, I should've just said you're just mad I won and you didn't.
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I don't buy that argument, American hockey players are just as deflecting of attention and sharing of praise as their Canadian counterparts. The sport itself, or perhaps more accurately the traditions ensconced therein, simply breed humility. Now you could argue that said traditions were developed elsewhere and then you'd have a fair point. But in doing so you still won't have refuted the hockey player's intrinsically humble nature, regardless of origin. You brought up race; the black players in the NHL don't act any differently.
P.S. It may be shocking to you but even outside of America, there has been a more than fair share of celebrating violent, injurious hockey hits. Just watch any of the old Don Cherry Rock 'em Sock 'em videos on youtube for proof.
P.P.S. For my money, Third did come off as needlessly defensive. I realize he's one of the few eliters who prefers the NBA over the NHL, but this is simply a point that must be conceded. Derek's arguments should be more than convincing of the divide in personalities between the two bodies of athletes.
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Needlessly defensive? I put like two sentences about it lol
Watch Kevin Durant's MVP speech and tell me he's doing a bad job of disguising his pride by blah blah blah, he's an incredibly humble guy who loves his teammates and loves the things they've done for him. He takes pride in himself as a person and his own accomplishments, it's a very attractive story about one man finding strength for himself through a team, and in turn making his team stronger. That's why Americans, including myself, are attracted to it.
Your first post said (sin #1 sin #2 sin #3), you can't possibly turn around and say it's a neutral discussion, after saying people who get excited over exciting things are transgressing somehow. I was defensive because I was arguing the other side, that you initially attacked.
Re: ignoring desire for insight, watch any Gregg Popovich (NBA coach) interview in the last few years. I don't follow hockey, but I can't imagine 100% of the players are brainwashed to the point of "team team team," and as wheat said, I certainly hope that isn't the case. Diversity is a good thing, and I thought your first post brought up a questionable, generalizing analogy to justify an oddly biased view against celebrating personal accomplishments that are meaningful to the individual. Why shouldn't you have celebrated a world record that was untied for almost a month? You're taking the GE community, noticing the differences in it, and trying to say that the NHL and NBA can act as templates more generalized than the-elite? Wouldn't there be far more diversity among the thousands of people involved in those communities?
sorry I said the word "absurd" I was never trying to make a personal jab beyond voicing convicted disagreement
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I don't buy that argument, American hockey players are just as deflecting of attention and sharing of praise as their Canadian counterparts. The sport itself, or perhaps more accurately the traditions ensconced therein, simply breed humility. Now you could argue that said traditions were developed elsewhere and then you'd have a fair point. But in doing so you still won't have refuted the hockey player's intrinsically humble nature, regardless of origin. You brought up race; the black players in the NHL don't act any differently.
The people that play hockey aren't from the same areas of the globe as the ones that play the other sports and those different parts have massively different upbringings/culture (and there's no way in hell your average american hockey player has (almost) anything in common growing up with your average american basketball player [even black due to obvious regional differences]). You aren't dumb enough to not have noticed that point in my post. We just disagree on what deserves the credit I guess.
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Two sentences? I want to advocate for home-schooling my own children but if even counting cannot be reasonably mastered by its products then I might have to give up that dream!
Although I am in agreement with Derek about the nature of hockey players vis a vis participants in other sports, I am also in agreement with Third and Wheat in enjoying the celebration of individual achievement. I don't mind that hockey players act humble; again, it's an endearing part of the sport's culture and honestly the players that don't tow the line (e.g. Sean Avery, Evander Kane, etc.) get ostracized by the media and alienated by some of their peers. However, I personally don't mind the flip side of the coin, e.g. when Richard Sherman talks openly and directly about the confidence he has in himself as the best cornerback in the league. After his verbal skewering of Michael Crabtree, no one can doubt Sherman is a man, one willing to back up his talents with his words and vice-versa. I was merely arguing the distinction exists, not that I preferred one or the other. I used the phrase needlessly defensive because I did not think immodesty from athletes is a problem and thus in need of defending.