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The Big Three Plus One => GoldenEye 007 => Topic started by: SimThreat on June 21, 2014, 09:53:42 pm
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I would like to address this, because now it's getting to a point where the people who are complaining about condescending posts are actually becoming worse than the original issue. A select few of 'newcomers' or 'lesser players' (for lack of better words) are expressing disatisfaction in about 50% of their posts now, so it's getting pretty rediculous.
Let me clear this up and explain to you...
I have been in this community for 15 years. I have met many of the guys from the elite. Almost all of the notable australians, americans and 1 european. I would say that over this period I have developed pretty strong relationships with a lot of the people that have come through here. I believe that if there is someone here who can give a pretty good big picture of the community it would be me.
If you actually believe that this community is negetive then you are out of touch with MOST of the interactions between this group. If you're impressions are coming from how we talk on the boards then you definitely are out of touch. Please go watch ANY previous podcast. Go to ANY elite meet up. Join any voice chats. You will see that in actuallity, when it comes down to it, we are extremely positive and nurturing with each other.
You have to understand that a lot of us senior guys are a pretty close knit groups of friends. I'm going to postulate that those who constantly complain about the negetivity of the boards and cannot handle trolling/joking/ribbing are people who generally lack a lot of genuine, real life friends (thus they rely on online msg boards for their social interactions). I sincerely wonder what kinds of friendships you have in real life (if you do have them), because my friendships are full of insults, expletives and joking.
These boards AREN'T an indication of real life, and seriously if it were I would leave in a second. These boards are a creative, artistic outlet for most guys here. Like I've said, I've meet about 30 eliters in my time and most would definitely say I'm nice in real life, but a cock on the boards. Why? Because it is enjoyable for me to express myself in different ways when I get the chance. I'm sure the other senior guys who appear to be condescending would also be VERY nice in real life, but also enjoy having an avenue to not be nice and express themselves differently.
But underneath all of the act and colourful characters you may be exposed to on the boards there is a very REAL close group of friends who are supportive of each other and have a good time. Given that most of us communicate on twitch chat, mumble, facebook, real life, please do not expect us to give each other handjobs on the boards AS WELL. Because if I am to be honest that would be a fucking boring friendship for me. My friends involve support, love, joking, insulting and belittleing. Each ingredient necessary to make a good relationship.
In conclusion, take the things you read here VERY lightly, and if you want to have a good chat with someone get in twitch or join on mumble. You may be out of touch and looking at things from a skewed perspective. The boards are an expressive outlet for most guys here so don't take it seriously. If you DO need these boards to be a source of nourishing friendship for you... then may God help you.
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Karl,
If you're going to run a successful advice/life-coaching style of business, you're going to have to learn to quit giving away your valuable advice for free on these forums. We all appreciate your vast knowledge of how the world works, but you're never going to become an e-billionaire if you're such a nice guy.
Might I suggest we come up with a forum script that does not show your posts, but instead shows a banner saying "If you wish to read this miraculous advice by Karl Jobst, please subscribe to his Super System of Video Game Forum Interaction and Boning Hotties for $7.99/month". We could definitely advertise it as a program that changes peoples lives and promotes positivity in a way never seen before.
I'm sure Marc would buy it at least.
You're welcome.
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Regerdeng negetevety en the beerds
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Quit being so negetive, mate!
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For the record, Come is not my friend and I don't communicate with him in any way. So all of the stupid comments he makes are actually him being a full retard.
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For the record, Come is not my friend and I don't communicate with him in any way. So all of the stupid comments he makes are actually him being a full retard.
Ah, so any comments you make to him are not expressive outlet/joking/ribbing?
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For the record, Come is not my friend and I don't communicate with him in any way. So all of the stupid comments he makes are actually him being a full retard.
Ah, so any comments you make to him are not expressive outlet/joking/ribbing?
I can't remember remember making a comment at come for the past 6 months. It appears to be him just being a dick to me. I am not his friend and don't talk to him at all.
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I thought you were against deleting posts, Karl. Why'd you delete your posts about me?
Maybe you just misclicked. Would you like me to restore them?
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Please delete yourself from this community. You literally provide NO value AT ALL. Seriously, what do you do here except for be a complete jackass at every moment. I can think of absolutely nothing you do here at all besides be a huge dick.
Let me make it very clear for everyone else. I do not like Come, if I had my choice I would never, ever speak to him. But he continues to make comments at me. What the fuck am I supposed to do. Fine I'll ignore him and move on.
Edit: I tried and searched but I do not know how to ignore him. Any help would be appreciated. Either that or Come could just stop talking to me?
Edit 2: N/m, I found how to ignore him, issue resolved.
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I guess I just need to learn how to be more posotive like you then Karl. Please let me know when your North American tour starts so I can attend one of your seminars!
Cheers!
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I recommend the absolute value to get rid of the negativity
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:v
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The entire community is full of negative, condescending, rotten-attitude posters that drive decent guys like me to buy a gun and considering murdering people. In real life though, it's all different. They know I can actually hurt them, plus we're a lot more chill in real life :D
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Amen to everything Karl has said.
Karl is a truly wise man, perhaps the wisest of all the eliters. You should listen carefully to what he has to say.
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As a neutral this thread turned out to be amusingly ironic.
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Hypno you are far from neutral. You're up there with one of the most opinionated and patronizing newbs we've seen.
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Hey maybe you should take what I say a little more lightly, my posts are just an artistic outlet after all.
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Ok now youre the noob with the worst comprehensions skills as well. This post is clearly stating that the senior members here may appear condescending but we are just fucking around mostly.
If you are a random irrel with no achievements here with a post count of 4 and you are being a dick, then youre probably just a dick. If you are going to continue that attitude please leave.
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#rekt
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Welcome to the-elite hypnotoad. We hope you enjoy your stay here.
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Long live The Elite freak show <3
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If in real life you're not the massive bell-ends that you are portraying, why choose the public Goldeneye speedrun boards to act like a dick? Why not do it on AIM or twitch chat? I'm not personally offended by anything on the boards, but I'm just pointing out that from the point of view of someone that does not speedrun GE (99.999999999999999999x1trillion% of the population), a lot of the posts come off as condescending and are likely to put off anyone that may be considering joining the boards.
I am only pointing any of this out because of the massive contradiction between your aims and your attitude. You claim you want to promote GE speedrunning on Twitch, grow the community etc, but then you publicly class anyone who's outside the top 5 fucking players or something stupid as "irrel". It's insane!
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I literally explained why, that was the point. Sorry you cant understand.
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I literally explained why, that was the point. Sorry you cant understand.
I understand and I believe that you're different IRL judging by some posts from people that have met you. Not sure if I believe that the same can be said of other people "just "fucking about" though.
Banter and insults between friends IRL is not the same is berating strangers on a message board that is built around a genuine activity. These boards are the ONLY means of communication between you and some of the new players, so how do you possibly expect them to interpret completely anti-social posts as "just fucking about"? If on the other hand you don't want any new people to join these boards, then fair enough, just continue what you're doing if it's fun.
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That is why i made this topic. What you fail to realise is that most of us have been friends for years. Then we have new people coming here and taking the shit we say personally. They are coming late to a party and then asking as to act differently. So this topic is addressing that fact.
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Who was berating a stranger? The only stranger here that was addressed was hypnotiad but he his first post was 'why wasnt your proof policy better', 'stop changing your names', 'why do you tolerate goose'. One of the rudest first posts ever and then he continued his verbal diarrhea into this topic. So thats why i have no hesitation telling him to change his attitude or leave.
P,s sorry about spelling/grammar on iphone.
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One thing is to be ironic sometimes, and another thing is to be rude, I think. People don't have to take everything posted personally, but it's very hard to not take anything personally... This might be a little bit off topic, but anyway, I'll write an example about my personal case; if someone cares, feel free to read/comment/whatever this:
I joined the Elite in 2010's Spring. I didn't write any post about me or even saying hi and people still said me welcome all the time. When I posted a PR, some people said congrats and so. It was nice and motivating to play. I really enjoyed all in the Elite. Some people even told me congrats when I completed GE, which seems more like a step to do before the Elite. When I posted a video, many people watched it (I sometimes check that when I'm bored, the number of views, etc.) and sometimes someone made a post only to help me on a level (e.g.: Greg K helped me on CI SA, and right after it I improved my PR by 4 seconds getting a 79 pointer time). When Summer 2010 ended, I had to stop playing due to school... When I came back there was already a post in FFA listing the noobest PD players, where I was, next to an old gay porn thing, iirc... I ignored that and started posting again, but a lot of that kind people seemed to not be active. I noticed that less people talked to me, etc. In 2012 some of my questions in the questions topic started to be not answered. I guessed they were irrel or obvious, but I would have like them to be answer. In 2013, I appeared in another toppest players list, in this case a GE one, next to Anthony Bessiak and whoever else. By that year, half of my questions in the questions topic were not answered, my videos were rarely watched, my times were rarely grated. I appeared in another topic where a toppest eliter basically offended me without the need to ("Would you rather...") (I know, I shouldn't take those things personally... In fact I have sometimes chatted with Goose in past and he wasn't rude at all, so it might be these forums or something)... Around then I also noticed that my questions in the question topic for aither game were usually not answered (For the GE ones I use Facebook now, for the PD ones, I think I'll give up for now. My last 3 questions or so were not answered even being read, fact I know because I sometimes check the number of views, and in the previous one Dark Slayer ended saying "seeing no one else answers I'll do it myself" with his own words). Right after the ignoring feature appeared I was already ignored by 3 members. It is very different the Elite in 2010 and the Elite in 2014, at least for me. In 2010 a PD newcommer was told congrats to get a poor improvement worth points. In 2014 you have to be a GE eminence or you have to post a 80+ pointer time in PD, and sometimes not even then. I'm not saying people should say congrats to all the PRs, don't minunderstand me. I'm just showing 2 different situations. Another example is the videos. In 2010/2011, I uploaded a video of Frigate Agent 0:33 which has over 70 views. Recently I uploaded PRs like Streets 00A 1:58, which has 5 views of which at elast 1 is mine. It seems that you have to follow some rules for people to watch vids these days (using twitch, capturing the video and getting a very high pointer time, for example). Again, I'm not complaining for it, I'm just showing 2 different situations.
To sum up: even though I joined the Elite 4 years ago, I have only been an active eliter about 15 months in these 4 years, and in that period, I have been called noob at GE, at PD, I have been critizised for my English (which I recall you that it's not my native language... I'd like to see those who critizise that talking in 3 languages and reading in >6 like me... u.u), and also I've been critizised for the length of my posts (I can see why... u.u) and another stuff. I like the Elite, I appreciate it and it's players, but I prefered it the way it was before. I have been in a couple more gaming elites and there people were always kind and always helped you... Here it's always a constant war admins vs others, some vs others, etc. Also, there still exist things like the ignoring feature, the perma-banning fest, etc.
I don't mind if the elite stays the way it is, though I'm pretty sure it will, but I'd like to say something to whoever have critizised me:
- For those who consider me noob at PD, nothing to add, there's no point.
- For those who consider me noob at GE, you should know that I'm noob at GE. Just think about this: the game is in English. Also, I only know it for a few years where I have rarely played it. I don't understand what I do on half of the objjectives, I just copy videos. You guys seem to have a deep knowledge about everything in this game, but not everyone understands how the game works. I didn't know till this same year things like that some guards have body armour, or that guards have some animations they can do randomly, like to throw a nade.
- For those who consider my English is crap, I'll just say that I don't mind. I can say the same about their Spanish or their Valencian and I don't do it.
- Etc.
It's hard to not take anything personally after living that. Of course, if I have done/I'm doing something wrong, instead of ignoring/insulting/critizising me, whoever should just tell me what am I doing wrong, so that I can improve. It's not that hard to say the things kindly. One can be ironic, but it's not necessary to say the things rudely in my opinion.
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but he his first post was 'why wasnt your proof policy better', 'stop changing your names', 'why do you tolerate goose'. One of the rudest first posts
I think those questions were fair, I stand by those questions and don't feel I did anything wrong by asking them, even if they are a bit 'rude'. I honestly don't feel like my questions were particularly controversial either given what I've read other posters say on these forums. I didn't go out of my way to be rude, and tried to keep a polite tone, but I felt I had to get those off my chest.
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DD: I personally wasn't really involved in anything you're talking about there, but it is my observation that you take things too seriously. No one here really cares if your english is bad. No one really cares if you are a n00b. If you can't have a joke about that kind of stuff you're going to have a hard time. Not just in this community, but in any community. I do believe you take the comments you mentioned too seriously. You take them way more seriously then they are supposed to be.
The PD community is all but dead and not many people are interested in the game at the moment. Probably why no one cares to answer the questions. I used to be good at the game but atm I actually never check the board at all.
I've never personally seen people actually be rude to you. If you think calling you a n00b is rude, then you need to leave the internet. That's just how people talk. I mean this in the best way, it's not personal and it's not meant to hurt your feelings, it's just meant to be funny.
As I mentioned, this topic is so tell the people who were taking things to personally to stop doing that. We've been busting each others balls for YEARS and YEARS. Like the WR strength topic, getting upset because someone said a time was irrel? I mean seriously get over it. It's one guys opinion and that really shouldn't determine if you speedrun or not. When I am going for a time it's because I want to get it and I wouldn't let other people bring me down if it's what I wanted to do. Maybe my attitude isn't the most nurturing, but you're not 8 years old and it shouldn't be our responsibility to hold your hand.
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Hypno, 75% of your first and only 4 comments contained; calling one of the highest ranks and popular eliter here a troll and why we don't ban him, sarcastic comments in topics you have no idea about, suggesting we change our behaviour, suggesting we use different chat platforms, asking us to answer a mountain of questions...
And you don't see how your entrance was rude and obnoxious? I don't know how that's possible.
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With all this being said I would say there's alot of people here willing to help newbies and all that too.
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Hypno, 75% of your first and only 4 comments contained; calling one of the highest ranks and popular eliter here a troll and why we don't ban him, sarcastic comments in topics you have no idea about, suggesting we change our behaviour, suggesting we use different chat platforms, asking us to answer a mountain of questions...
And you don't see how your entrance was rude and obnoxious? I don't know how that's possible.
I'm hardly the first to say Goose acts trollish on these boards, whether I'm a newb or not that's not really a controversial statement. By the way, I'm not saying he should be banned, just saying he would have been banned on some other communities by now, but those communities have different rule sets. I don't really remember suggesting you change your behavior, asking why you don't use irc isn't that rude, and I said I wasn't asking anyone to answer all or even any of those questions just whatever you feel like answering (if any). It seems like you keep asking people to grow a thicker skin, so I don't see why you're not following your own advice and getting upset over my comments which I think are quite mild to be honest.
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One of those things fine, when you add them all up and in your first handful of posts then you're just a dick.
If you don't understand why then you lack a basic understanding of how relationships are built. You can't go up to a group of people and start being a smart ass and expect them to like you. I don't know anything about you, except the fact that you act like a dick. So, if all evidence suggests you're a dick, you're probably a dick.
Again you're not seeing the point of this topic where the people who tend to be smart asses a lot are people who are extremely active in the community and have achieved a lot. They have proven they are not complete dicks through other means (meet ups, twitch etc) so don't take the board persona at face value.
You on the other hand have nothing but your board persona, so I'll take that at face value. That's why I suggest you show up a little bit friendlier next time if you want to make a better impression.
This topic is in response to a specific concern, do you even understand which concern that is? I ddn't make this topic just for general knowledge, I'm addressing something specific. If you're taking it generally then you got the wrong idea.
I'm not even saying that all negetive attitudes are ok. I'm addressing specific recent comments towards a few of the more senior guys and their communication style on the boards. Man if you actually talk to Ace you'll see he's the sweetest little angel.
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You on the other hand have nothing but your board persona
Actually that's not entirely true, I've been on twitch chat for a few months before coming to these boards, though not that active. I'm not especially concerned with my rep on these boards, maybe I come across as a dick but I don't really care. Doesn't mean what I said was invalid.
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maybe I come across as a dick but I don't really care.
Antibeiber, this should address your concern about my berating of a stranger. I could see this clearly immediately.
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This thread is just bursting with positivity :nesquik:
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Eise, I find your sarcastic remarks extremely CONDESCENDING.
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looooooooool <3 karl
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Hypnotoad, your questions were fine, especially coming from someone unfamiliar with this community. I read nothing that was rude and can't understand why Karl thinks he must personally attack you.
Deep-Darkness, I've liked you a lot and thought you've done well for yourself. I typically don't watch any videos except WRs anymore but I read every post and it's nice to see you working on PRs, especially for LTK.
Karl, nurturing is exactly the attitude the community should have, and it's the attitude almost every community has (if it doesn't, it quickly ceases to be a community). We need to take newcomers and explain the ropes to them, be encouraging. Your attitude of "screw all y'all" is not becoming of any human being, much less a moderator. I've been a member of this community nearly as long as you have, and you've always been the outlier in the online persona, stop acting like it should be the norm for everyone and everyone should like it. Even Wouter grew up (and said he avoids the boards because of the negativity, go figure).
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Shadow...
1. When did I say anything should be the norm?
2. When did I say everyone should like it?
3. When did I say 'screw all y'all?
What are you talking about? Seriously, answer those above questions. Please do so. I literally made this topic so help explain to people like you why some people may talk the way they do, and you completely ignore it and it goes right over your head. There is no hope here. You are just saying things that are complete nonsense at this point because I, at no point, said anything remotely similar to what you just said.
I'm not going to spoon feed every single point 10 times before you can understand.
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You're asking loaded questions, do you still beat your wife?
I didn't claim you said those things, but I did say you act that way. You may certainly claim it's subjective but don't put words in my mouth.
...and then you predictably insult and act condescendingly. :-\
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Creating a topic attempting to explain things isn't saying 'screw you all'. Quite the opposite actually. Given that the point of this topic completely bypassed you it seems as though you do lack a certain degree of social awareness.
Seriously, I never said or implied everyone should act this way. The point of this topic is to attempt to have you guys stop taking everything so personally and getting butthurt over every comment.
You even get butthurt in this topic, of which the sole purpose was to try and tell you to not be so butthurt. The only way you would ever be happy is if no one said anything condescending again. Which isn't going to happen because there are quite a few guys here that like to shoot the shit, pay each other out and be raw. Which, as I explained already is mostly just an outlet to have fun and practice our debating skills.
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P.s Goose has 12k followers and gets 500 streamers when he plays GE. This board has like 30 members that post or something. If you think this board has the majority of impact for the overall community you're naive. Twitch has way more weight here, and I've never really seen the twitch environment been anything but positive. If we act dumb on the boards I would postulate that it would have little overall affect moving forward.
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No apology for being wrong? Check.
Personal insult? Check.
Can't take any criticism? Check.
Congratulations!
You say the topic's purpose was to tell people not to be so "butthurt". And in your opening post you speculate that those who don't like the way you act probably don't have real-life friends and imply they are socially inept. I gotta say that it's hardly diplomatic. I'm not "butthurt", I've got thick skin, but I definitely don't think your behavior (at least in this thread) is healthy or acceptable and I'm not going to shy away from telling you that. I'm curious to see if anyone will step in and defend you in this topic.
By the way, it's "effect" and since those 500 viewers don't play GE, it's very debatable that they impact the "community" at all.
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Look out everyone, the grammar Nazi is in town.
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Remove condescending attitudes from the rankings.
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Karl: I agree that I might be taking things way too seriously, but consider that I am from another country with another language. Irony and sarcasm don't work the same way in different places. Anyway, I'm aware that most people here are responsible adults, and not little kids, so I try to think that things that might offend me aren't neccesarily bad intentioned. But sometimes I have to doubt... It's not easy to take everything the good way. For example, I joined the Elite in April 2010, and in September the same year, being me a teenager, you could find this: http://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=15481.msg352268#msg352268. I can see that it is just a post to have fun, but sincerely, I can't feel good finding my photo there. If it had been an avatar, I wouldn't mind... But it's my photo... This was just an example. Yes, I take things seriously, but I think others would aswell... About another thing you told me, I don't feel bad if someone calls me noob. The problem comes when someone jokes about me for being noob. They are different situations in my opinion. If I weren't like I am, I could have stopped playing GE forever only for that. I'm not even half extremist than others are in that respect. Correct me if I'm wrong, but noob means "a person who is inexperienced in a particular sphere or activity". I won't feel bad if someone calls me noob at these games, especially GE. I can't assure the same about if someone jokes for me being noob. And one last thing: it's pretty nice that you say that people don't care about my English being bad, but I have already read someone critizising it. Maybe I took it serious again, yes, but he did it. I sure can take a joke of that stuff, but I'm doing a very big effort writting and reading in a stranger language so it's not fair to see people joking about it, and much worse when those people have my issue solved for life circunstances.
Shadow: thanks for kind words.
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One thing is to be ironic sometimes, and another thing is to be rude, I think. People don't have to take everything posted personally, but it's very hard to not take anything personally... This might be a little bit off topic, but anyway, I'll write an example about my personal case; if someone cares, feel free to read/comment/whatever this:
I joined the Elite in 2010's Spring. I didn't write any post about me or even saying hi and people still said me welcome all the time. When I posted a PR, some people said congrats and so. It was nice and motivating to play. I really enjoyed all in the Elite. Some people even told me congrats when I completed GE, which seems more like a step to do before the Elite. When I posted a video, many people watched it (I sometimes check that when I'm bored, the number of views, etc.) and sometimes someone made a post only to help me on a level (e.g.: Greg K helped me on CI SA, and right after it I improved my PR by 4 seconds getting a 79 pointer time). When Summer 2010 ended, I had to stop playing due to school... When I came back there was already a post in FFA listing the noobest PD players, where I was, next to an old gay porn thing, iirc... I ignored that and started posting again, but a lot of that kind people seemed to not be active. I noticed that less people talked to me, etc. In 2012 some of my questions in the questions topic started to be not answered. I guessed they were irrel or obvious, but I would have like them to be answer. In 2013, I appeared in another toppest players list, in this case a GE one, next to Anthony Bessiak and whoever else. By that year, half of my questions in the questions topic were not answered, my videos were rarely watched, my times were rarely grated. I appeared in another topic where a toppest eliter basically offended me without the need to ("Would you rather...") (I know, I shouldn't take those things personally... In fact I have sometimes chatted with Goose in past and he wasn't rude at all, so it might be these forums or something)... Around then I also noticed that my questions in the question topic for aither game were usually not answered (For the GE ones I use Facebook now, for the PD ones, I think I'll give up for now. My last 3 questions or so were not answered even being read, fact I know because I sometimes check the number of views, and in the previous one Dark Slayer ended saying "seeing no one else answers I'll do it myself" with his own words). Right after the ignoring feature appeared I was already ignored by 3 members. It is very different the Elite in 2010 and the Elite in 2014, at least for me. In 2010 a PD newcommer was told congrats to get a poor improvement worth points. In 2014 you have to be a GE eminence or you have to post a 80+ pointer time in PD, and sometimes not even then. I'm not saying people should say congrats to all the PRs, don't minunderstand me. I'm just showing 2 different situations. Another example is the videos. In 2010/2011, I uploaded a video of Frigate Agent 0:33 which has over 70 views. Recently I uploaded PRs like Streets 00A 1:58, which has 5 views of which at elast 1 is mine. It seems that you have to follow some rules for people to watch vids these days (using twitch, capturing the video and getting a very high pointer time, for example). Again, I'm not complaining for it, I'm just showing 2 different situations.
To sum up: even though I joined the Elite 4 years ago, I have only been an active eliter about 15 months in these 4 years, and in that period, I have been called noob at GE, at PD, I have been critizised for my English (which I recall you that it's not my native language... I'd like to see those who critizise that talking in 3 languages and reading in >6 like me... u.u), and also I've been critizised for the length of my posts (I can see why... u.u) and another stuff. I like the Elite, I appreciate it and it's players, but I prefered it the way it was before. I have been in a couple more gaming elites and there people were always kind and always helped you... Here it's always a constant war admins vs others, some vs others, etc. Also, there still exist things like the ignoring feature, the perma-banning fest, etc.
I don't mind if the elite stays the way it is, though I'm pretty sure it will, but I'd like to say something to whoever have critizised me:
- For those who consider me noob at PD, nothing to add, there's no point.
- For those who consider me noob at GE, you should know that I'm noob at GE. Just think about this: the game is in English. Also, I only know it for a few years where I have rarely played it. I don't understand what I do on half of the objjectives, I just copy videos. You guys seem to have a deep knowledge about everything in this game, but not everyone understands how the game works. I didn't know till this same year things like that some guards have body armour, or that guards have some animations they can do randomly, like to throw a nade.
- For those who consider my English is crap, I'll just say that I don't mind. I can say the same about their Spanish or their Valencian and I don't do it.
- Etc.
It's hard to not take anything personally after living that. Of course, if I have done/I'm doing something wrong, instead of ignoring/insulting/critizising me, whoever should just tell me what am I doing wrong, so that I can improve. It's not that hard to say the things kindly. One can be ironic, but it's not necessary to say the things rudely in my opinion.
Don't need any hands to show how many people read all of this post.
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This topic deserves to be banished forever along with my " something needs to be done" topic from 2007.
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This topic deserves to be banished forever along with my " something needs to be done" topic from 2007.
Lol, I missed that topic. I liked this little gem from Henning in 2007
"He created that fake username because he wanted to see how ppl would react to a newcomer that provides videoproof for his wr's and pr's. I think that was a good move because it proved that ppl are too suspicious..."
And this from Octoinky:
"Clemens isn't capable of setting the insane bars at the-elite, nor is he a highly ranked player."
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Don't need any hands to show how many people read all of this post.
You're gonna need at least one (unless you'd rather use your toes). And that was a good post actually, I agree with a lot of stuff he said. The atmosphere felt more friendly in the early/mid 2000s indeed.
Karl does have a point though. Back in those years, the boards were one of the closest things we had to real-time interaction; nowadays they're kinda... obsolete in that sense. Twitch/Mumble/Skype/whatever are much better for that, since they allow real-time - and a bit more personal - relationships (well, not 100% real-time on Twitch :kappa:), so now people do most of their interactions there and just fuck around here or use the boards as an "artistic outlet".
But yeah, I can see how new people could get scared away from here. Shit-talking has always existed, it's just too... concentrated in the forums these days.
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This topic deserves to be banished forever along with my " something needs to be done" topic from 2007.
http://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=902.msg261402#msg261402 :kappa:
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Dark Slayer gets it.
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This topic deserves to be banished forever along with my " something needs to be done" topic from 2007.
http://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=902.msg261402#msg261402 :kappa:
Amazing thread.
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One thing is to be ironic sometimes, and another thing is to be rude, I think. People don't have to take everything posted personally, but it's very hard to not take anything personally... This might be a little bit off topic, but anyway, I'll write an example about my personal case; if someone cares, feel free to read/comment/whatever this:
I joined the Elite in 2010's Spring. I didn't write any post about me or even saying hi and people still said me welcome all the time. When I posted a PR, some people said congrats and so. It was nice and motivating to play. I really enjoyed all in the Elite. Some people even told me congrats when I completed GE, which seems more like a step to do before the Elite. When I posted a video, many people watched it (I sometimes check that when I'm bored, the number of views, etc.) and sometimes someone made a post only to help me on a level (e.g.: Greg K helped me on CI SA, and right after it I improved my PR by 4 seconds getting a 79 pointer time). When Summer 2010 ended, I had to stop playing due to school... When I came back there was already a post in FFA listing the noobest PD players, where I was, next to an old gay porn thing, iirc... I ignored that and started posting again, but a lot of that kind people seemed to not be active. I noticed that less people talked to me, etc. In 2012 some of my questions in the questions topic started to be not answered. I guessed they were irrel or obvious, but I would have like them to be answer. In 2013, I appeared in another toppest players list, in this case a GE one, next to Anthony Bessiak and whoever else. By that year, half of my questions in the questions topic were not answered, my videos were rarely watched, my times were rarely grated. I appeared in another topic where a toppest eliter basically offended me without the need to ("Would you rather...") (I know, I shouldn't take those things personally... In fact I have sometimes chatted with Goose in past and he wasn't rude at all, so it might be these forums or something)... Around then I also noticed that my questions in the question topic for aither game were usually not answered (For the GE ones I use Facebook now, for the PD ones, I think I'll give up for now. My last 3 questions or so were not answered even being read, fact I know because I sometimes check the number of views, and in the previous one Dark Slayer ended saying "seeing no one else answers I'll do it myself" with his own words). Right after the ignoring feature appeared I was already ignored by 3 members. It is very different the Elite in 2010 and the Elite in 2014, at least for me. In 2010 a PD newcommer was told congrats to get a poor improvement worth points. In 2014 you have to be a GE eminence or you have to post a 80+ pointer time in PD, and sometimes not even then. I'm not saying people should say congrats to all the PRs, don't minunderstand me. I'm just showing 2 different situations. Another example is the videos. In 2010/2011, I uploaded a video of Frigate Agent 0:33 which has over 70 views. Recently I uploaded PRs like Streets 00A 1:58, which has 5 views of which at elast 1 is mine. It seems that you have to follow some rules for people to watch vids these days (using twitch, capturing the video and getting a very high pointer time, for example). Again, I'm not complaining for it, I'm just showing 2 different situations.
To sum up: even though I joined the Elite 4 years ago, I have only been an active eliter about 15 months in these 4 years, and in that period, I have been called noob at GE, at PD, I have been critizised for my English (which I recall you that it's not my native language... I'd like to see those who critizise that talking in 3 languages and reading in >6 like me... u.u), and also I've been critizised for the length of my posts (I can see why... u.u) and another stuff. I like the Elite, I appreciate it and it's players, but I prefered it the way it was before. I have been in a couple more gaming elites and there people were always kind and always helped you... Here it's always a constant war admins vs others, some vs others, etc. Also, there still exist things like the ignoring feature, the perma-banning fest, etc.
I don't mind if the elite stays the way it is, though I'm pretty sure it will, but I'd like to say something to whoever have critizised me:
- For those who consider me noob at PD, nothing to add, there's no point.
- For those who consider me noob at GE, you should know that I'm noob at GE. Just think about this: the game is in English. Also, I only know it for a few years where I have rarely played it. I don't understand what I do on half of the objjectives, I just copy videos. You guys seem to have a deep knowledge about everything in this game, but not everyone understands how the game works. I didn't know till this same year things like that some guards have body armour, or that guards have some animations they can do randomly, like to throw a nade.
- For those who consider my English is crap, I'll just say that I don't mind. I can say the same about their Spanish or their Valencian and I don't do it.
- Etc.
It's hard to not take anything personally after living that. Of course, if I have done/I'm doing something wrong, instead of ignoring/insulting/critizising me, whoever should just tell me what am I doing wrong, so that I can improve. It's not that hard to say the things kindly. One can be ironic, but it's not necessary to say the things rudely in my opinion.
Don't need any hands to show how many people read all of this post.
I read the whole post! Deep Darkness is one of the few people who uses these forums the way they were originally launched for, he is a great dude and he deserves some attention.
Keep it up DD, you're awesome. Perfect Dark is just extremely dead and the people ruling these forums right now are GE players, which makes sense? So don't feel bad about any vids not being watched enough, just accept the fact that PD is very, very dead at this moment. It will be better at some moment, i'm pretty sure of it
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Don't need any hands to show how many people read all of this post.
You're gonna need at least one (unless you'd rather use your toes). And that was a good post actually, I agree with a lot of stuff he said. The atmosphere felt more friendly in the early/mid 2000s indeed.
Karl does have a point though. Back in those years, the boards were one of the closest things we had to real-time interaction; nowadays they're kinda... obsolete in that sense. Twitch/Mumble/Skype/whatever are much better for that, since they allow real-time - and a bit more personal - relationships (well, not 100% real-time on Twitch :kappa:), so now people do most of their interactions there and just fuck around here or use the boards as an "artistic outlet".
But yeah, I can see how new people could get scared away from here. Shit-talking has always existed, it's just too... concentrated in the forums these days.
This
the forum IS obsolete. There is no use in taking anything serious on the boards any longer. Its nothing but a fine cocktail of boredom, trollism and frustration of people who find it hard to deal with their lives as GE is only getting more close to being humanly maxed by the day. GE is getting close to being fully consumed as far as speedrunning goes and one can feel this in the whole community.
Top speedrunners will in the next few years decide to stop playing this game completely. Ace has already made this wise decision :nesquik:
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I refuse to take retirement topics seriously. Ace sounds like he's burnt out from Goldeneye and needs a six month break. Other top players will continue to speedrun because they still have room for improvement unlike Rayan.
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Thanks Hugo :). I'll keep playing PD anyway. I guess being one of the only few guys in the world who do a certain thing is cool, right? :nesquik:
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6 things Karl.
I liked you before I met you.
I like you more after I met you.
I let you win at Ping Pong.
I will beat one of your Goldeneye times.
If you say anything bad to me I will cry.
Karl for President.
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Being a dick is cool if you're Karl or Goose or in their circle of jerks because hey, we're all awesome guys and we're just having fun and whatnot.
But if you aren't one of their best butt buddies then obviously you should just die and quit making them read your worthless posts, you pukes.
That's this whole thread summed up in two lines. Dealing with people who are different is HARD.
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dat negetivity
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Digging up a two month thread to post sludge is not cool.
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Dayle must have ran out of health insurance to cover this month's dose of pills.
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I have to admit, the last four posts in this thread have been very CONDESCENDING.
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the whole thread summed up in one line
this user is on your ignore list
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Please stop being so condensation
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I want to say something positive but genuinely unsure of how to do so in a way that proves my sincerity. When someone crushes my morale with a flame (e.g. the tightrope walk of the fundraiser thread which terrifies me every refresh...) I remind myself that I've found something to appreciate in 100% of the people I've met irl from the boards. The online version of people almost always sucks a little bit, so I try to see through it and have faith in the actual person instead of getting caught up in the shittiness of a persona. If nothing else, I try to keep *respect* in balance. There are some guys that routinely kill my buzz but over time I've found things to respect about them and focus on that. Anyone that comes here routinely on purpose has something in common with me that is worth appreciating.
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The irony of knee-jerk jokes about "negetivity" and condescension is that they are echoing like memes and therefore mostly harmless, possibly goodwilled (better to be tarred/feathered with an in-joke than called an irrel fagt or the usual horror)
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The real question though, is why a 2 month old topic was bumped by a complete irrel only to call us all jerks.