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The Big Three Plus One => GoldenEye 007 => Topic started by: GreasePig on January 13, 2018, 09:40:37 am

Title: Crouching Category
Post by: GreasePig on January 13, 2018, 09:40:37 am
Since I'm not good enough to compete in any meaningful way on points, I set myself a different goal: unlocking as many cheats as possible while crouching.

I feel like this is a slightly interesting (pointless) category, as you move slower and therefore get shot a lot more (surviving is often harder), boosts become more valuable and getting good hits on guards is often more difficult from this angle.

Below are the 17/20 cheats I've been able to unlock:

Dam SA 2:39 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-01-dam-239.mp4
Facility 00 2:01 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-02-facility-201.mp4
Runway A 0:46 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-03-runway-046.mp4
Surface1 SA N/A
Bunker1 00 3:23 -  https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-05-bunker1-323.mp4
Silo A 2:29 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-06-silo-229.mp4
Frigate SA 3:03 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-07-frigate-303.mp4
Surface2 00 3:46 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-08-surface2-346.mp4
Bunker2 A 0:54 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-09-bunker2-054.mp4
Statue SA N/A
Archives 00 N/A
Streets A 1:26 -  https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-12-streets-126.mp4
Depot SA 1:36 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-13-depot-136.mp4
Train 00 5:07 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-14-train-507.mp4
Jungle A 3:03 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-15-jungle-303.mp4
Control SA 7:12 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-16-control-712.mp4
Caverns 00 7:53 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-17-caverns-753.mp4
Cradle A 1:18 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-18-cradle-118.mp4
Aztec SA 4:37 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-19-aztec-437.mp4
Egyptian 00 1:34 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180114-20-egyptian-134.mp4

Some of these are totally unoptimised (i.e. easy levels, first attempt obtained), while others I found quite tricky (Dam, Facility, Depot).

Would be very interested to see somebody achieve this for Surface1 and Archives, I believe both should be possible though are beyond my abilities. Statue unfortunately seems impossible.

Sorry if a thread exists for this, searched and cannot find.
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 13, 2018, 05:25:55 pm
(https://i.gyazo.com/928f7df15b681b6d0f768b4e3ff2e467.png)
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: Niiro Kitsune on January 13, 2018, 05:54:21 pm
(https://i.gyazo.com/928f7df15b681b6d0f768b4e3ff2e467.png)

I just had to lol reading this thread knowing i've seen this message before
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: speedruntrainer on January 13, 2018, 07:20:38 pm
Dam Secret Agent 2:36
Runway Agent 0:44
Silo Agent 2:11
Frigate Secret Agent 2:10
Bunker 2 Agent 0:49
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: GreasePig on January 13, 2018, 10:46:50 pm
Hahaha, I'm proud of my crouching achievements  :grin: -- maybe one day I'll be good enough for points...
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 13, 2018, 10:52:04 pm
Hahaha, I'm proud of my crouching achievements  :grin: -- maybe one day I'll be good enough for points...

That's a mental thing, not an ability thing, pal.  ;) Anyone can get points.
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: Niiro Kitsune on January 13, 2018, 11:18:37 pm
That's a mental thing, not an ability thing, pal.  ;) Anyone can get points.

No lie man, if a shit player like me can get a wr, fucking anyone can
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: Retrix on January 14, 2018, 10:22:07 am
When 4 of your crouching times are better than my PRs, I feel I should go home and rethink my life.
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: speedruntrainer on January 14, 2018, 01:27:41 pm
Bunker 1 00 Agent 2:11
Depot Secret Agent 1:34
Frigate Secret Agent 1:55
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: GreasePig on January 14, 2018, 07:12:01 pm
Nice times SRT!

When 4 of your crouching times are better than my PRs, I feel I should go home and rethink my life.

Don't feel bad, these crouch times would also beat my PRs from a year ago or so, always time to improve.

That's a mental thing, not an ability thing, pal.  ;) Anyone can get points.

No lie man, if a shit player like me can get a wr, fucking anyone can

Getting close on Streets A (within 0.2s of 1:14), though this looks like it's close to being worthless so I should probably go for something more secure like Bunker1A.

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Bounty for anyone who can beat any of the remaining levels I couldn't get ($10 AU per level):

- must crouch before walking
- must never stand up even slightly (broke this rule in one or two of my videos, Bunker1 being an example)
- must have cheat swag
- video must pass proof criteria
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: flicker on January 14, 2018, 09:51:49 pm
Cradle Agent 1:15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unPfKqITsB4

will prob do some more
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: speedruntrainer on January 15, 2018, 06:49:45 am
Archives 00 Agent 1:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6134tog5bIk&feature=youtu.be

SNEEZING GUARD! I'M A LEGEND!
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: GreasePig on January 15, 2018, 08:22:12 am
Nice stuff! One bounty left... (assuming Statue impossible)
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: flicker on January 15, 2018, 07:56:59 pm
Wow, nice one Nick!

Best I could muster up on Surface 1 SA was a 3:46. Was a pretty fine run which makes it seem really hard to cut enough time to make 3:30 happen. Picked up KF7 from one of the guards near the barrels, got some boosts towards the GL hut, killed key guard and skipped GL, got a couple more boosts going to Safe Key hut, shot out table with KF7 to get key, few more boosts heading to the Safe, backboost on the way to Comms dish, blocked by a guard for 2 seconds leaving Comms room. Impossible to warp the ladder when moving so slow. Maybe there's a way to get the GL and be faster? Loses a fair bit of time to even just pick it up, and I'm not sure about how self boosting would work while crouched. I'd estimate shooting out the locks at the end loses just as much time as picking up the GL, so beyond blowing up the locks, you'd still have to save like 15 seconds. Maybe I'll play and strategize a bit more, but I dont have much hope.
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: GreasePig on January 15, 2018, 08:22:18 pm
I was able to get a surface1 3:44 - https://d2kiknerprnn95.cloudfront.net/static/20180116-04-surface1-344.mp4

This run isn't very optimised, though I used the GL which seems to have a large time saving (self boosts are possible, I think they can save more than 0.3s in this mode but haven't measured). I used PAL and minimal look-down, which should lose some time.

By my measurements, crouching a straight line takes 1.86x the time as running it.

So assuming all other things constant, a 1m 47s WR pace should be equivalent to 3m 19s, clearing the time easily.

However, I was assuming the ladder could be warped, so that could be a ~4.5s time loss there if not, but should still fit in the target time.

Maybe the ladder can be warped with a self-boost?
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: Dusky on January 15, 2018, 08:25:05 pm
Just tried this for the first time, first run I do of s2 00a I got a nade!!!

S2 00A 3:08
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: Dusky on January 15, 2018, 08:32:09 pm
Holy shit another nade instantly!

S2 00A 2:56

Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: flicker on January 15, 2018, 08:44:10 pm
Maybe the ladder can be warped with a self-boost?

Holy crap, that worked :o Pretty hard to pull off, but viable! I also assumed you couldn't pick up the GL/Key while crouched without blowing up the box/table it's on, and I was wrong.

Edit: Just had a 3:44 where I botched the ending really bad and boosted myself off the ladder. Wasn't even a good run, backboosted myself a couple times and had like 4 GL shots left, had alot of guard boosts and almost died though. Still working out how to make this boostwarp work, but this should lead to 3:30..

Edit2: Got 3:38, skipped attempting the boostwarp because I only had half a bar.

Edit3: 3:36, same story.

Edit4: Just warped the ladder without a boost, this is hilarious..

Edit5: 3:33, warped ladder on 2nd try lost maybe 2 seconds. Getting close...
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: GreasePig on January 17, 2018, 04:28:52 pm
Nice run MaxDegen!

Wow, discordan, sounds like you're close to nailing it. Bounty doubled if you live stream it crouching IRL.
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: BDown on April 29, 2021, 03:43:10 am
Runway Agent 0:42 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKc61zIHnFw)

This was unironically harder than my Runway 22, and I had to do it twice because the first time I guess I stopped recording but didn't start it again.
Title: Re: Crouching Category
Post by: Whiteted on April 29, 2021, 01:52:26 pm
Edit5: 3:33, warped ladder on 2nd try lost maybe 2 seconds. Getting close...

Did it not happen? :(