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The Big Three Plus One => GoldenEye 007 => Topic started by: 50 on February 03, 2019, 04:52:43 am
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My knowledge is far to be the best for this topic but I'm curious where the game stands from being maxed with the current knowledge. Feel free to post here the correct humanly possible seconds cut/maxed times, I'll update the OP.
A SA OO
DAM..................0:52.....................1:16/1:15..................1:55/1:53 ----------- 3 secs cut
FACILITY............0:43/0:42..............0:52/0:51..................0:52/0:51 ----------- 3 secs cut
RUNWAY............0:22..........................0:22......................0:28/0:27 ----------- 1 sec cut
SURFACE 1........1:02/1:01...............1:47/1:46.................1:48/1:47 ----------- 2 secs cut
BUNKER 1..........0:16.........................0:20......................1:02/1:00 ----------- 2 secs cut
SILO.................1:00/0:59..................1:07......................1:21/1:19 ----------- 3 secs cut
FRIGATE............0:22......................0:58/0:57.................1:05/1:02 ----------- 4 sec cut
SURFACE 2.........0:46.....................0:47/0:46..................1:23/1:21 ----------- 3 sec cut
BUNKER 2..........0:23.........................0:44......................0:54/0:52 ----------- 2 sec cut
STATUE..............2:18/2:17.............2:18/2:17..................2:18/2:17 ----------- 3 secs cut
ARCHIVES..........0:15.........................0:53.........................0:53 --------------- MAXED
STREETS............1:11/1:10.............1:54/1:53..................1:54/1:53 ------------ 3 sec cut
DEPOT................0:23....................0:39/0:38...................0:46/0:45 ----------- 2 sec cut
TRAIN................0:57/0:55.............1:23/1:21.....................1:48 --------------- 4 secs cut
JUNGLE..............0:49/0:48.............0:52/0:51..................0:53/0:52 ----------- 3 secs cut
CONTROL...........3:56.........................4:03......................4:04/4:03 ----------- 1 sec cut
CAVERNS...........1:01/1:00..............1:13/1:11..................1:30/1:29 ----------- 3 secs cut
CRADLE.............0:33/0:32..............0:33/0:32..................0:33/0:32 ----------- 3 secs cut
AZTEC...............1:23/1:21..............1:30/1:28..................1:35/1:30 ----------- 9 secs cut
EGYPT................0:44........................0:44.............................0:44 -------------- MAXED
SECONDS CUT: 0:54
Actual total: 1:11:17
Total time with possible seconds cut: 1:10:23
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Redo the math on your S1 column; also, your total time saved :nesquik:
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Depot 00 45 is much more likely than depot SA 38
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b1 19? umm, what?
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Dam 00, at least 1:53 tbh
Silo 00, at least 1:19 tbh
Frigate 00, at least 1:03 tbh
Bunker 2 00, at least 0:52 tbh
Streets SA/00 1:53s tbh
Caverns 00, at least 1:29 tbh
B1 SA 19, Statue A 217 and Jungle A 48 are some cooked maxed preds and I don't see a path to any of them without a new discovery... and when you start bringing talk of new discoveries... you might as well just throw the whole "maxed" idea away. So of course all these times are only considering today's knowledge.
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Control 00A 4:03, tbh
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Train: 55 is doable with running entry (beating the locks message is just barely possible). 1:21 might be doable but it depends on how good 1:22 is, which i'm not entirely sure of yet since I haven't played much. 1:47 is probably possible but might not be realistic since you're pretty much guaranteed 1-2 backboosts. Far Ouro shot is of course possible too but hitting it + pulling off the locks is insanely rare and hardly worth going for unless regular strat gets completely maxed out.
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Surface 1: M Strat on SA and 00A.
Surface 2: I'd imagine that you could do 00A quicker than 01:22.
Bunker 2: Alex has gotten multiple 00:52 pace runs before.
Train: 00:55 on A is possible I'd say.
Control: I'd be shocked if a few seconds weren't shaved off overall.
Cradle: I think that Hayden has gotten 00:32 pace runs before. I think that it was on Agent as well. Although the boost luck is mad.
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BA skip on Aztec 00 has to save more than 2 sec.
Depot warp on SA and 00 probably saves time as well but imagine going for that on those difficulties.
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I would wager S2 SA 0:46 is possible.
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Idk probably 9
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B1 SA 19, Statue A 217 and Jungle A 48 are some cooked maxed preds and I don't see a path to any of them without a new discovery... and when you start bringing talk of new discoveries... you might as well just throw the whole "maxed" idea away. So of course all these times are only considering today's knowledge.
I thought I saw a 3rd cam B1 SA 19 failed vid somewhere last year when he was going for 20. Did I dreamed or something?
Fair enought for Statue A 217
Karl said numerous time Jungle A 48 was possible while going for 49. Would need him to validate it to be 100% sure
Surface 1: M Strat on SA and 00A.
What is this? How much shoud I shave from the current times?
BA skip on Aztec 00 has to save more than 2 sec.
Depot warp on SA and 00 probably saves time as well but imagine going for that on those difficulties.
Shaved 3 secs from Aztec 00 for BA skip. Warping Dep SA 00 won't save time as you need to go to the safe upstair to complete an obj anyway
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B1 SA 19, Statue A 217 and Jungle A 48 are some cooked maxed preds and I don't see a path to any of them without a new discovery... and when you start bringing talk of new discoveries... you might as well just throw the whole "maxed" idea away. So of course all these times are only considering today's knowledge.
I thought I saw a 3rd cam B1 SA 19 failed vid somewhere last year when he was going for 20. Did I dreamed or something?
I think you are referring to this clip (https://clips.twitch.tv/HardAlertCakePRChase) in which you can clearly see this is not a legit run and was clipped by someone who has no idea.
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Also.....where are cradle 32s coming from?
And why isn't Statue Agent also a 2:17?
So many questions........
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Also.....where are cradle 32s coming from?
And why isn't Statue Agent also a 2:17?
So many questions........
Did you read the thread?
Personally I don't believe in Cradle 32 even with some magical boosty run, but some people do. 217 just needs probably 4 boosts which is something you'll never see on Agent.
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Did you read the thread?
Sure did!
Idk if those were really 32 pace. I don't believe in cradle 32s with the current strat even with 2/3 total boosts. Statue A 217....crazier things have happened and that isn't something I'd discount - insane and unlikely as it is, it would elicit the time. I doubt it's as possible to get a cradle 32 however.
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Sure Karl has said 48 is possible, but people have actually failed a jungle SA 0:51 so may as well add that one.
B1 SA 0:20 is a perfect run but if you want to apply that to b1 00 I'm sure 1:00 could be possible even though even 1:01 is cooked.
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frig SA can certainly be lowered to 57. Pettit's hostages on his 58 prove that part, and 58 is not a perfect run. With everything coming together on one run it is definitely possible. May be more possible than 00 103 seeing as how that hostage completion speed has never been seen before
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[All wild speculation]
Surface 1: M Strat OOK #2 on SA and 00A.
What is this? How much shoud I shave from the current times?
Lets say.. 0s for now.
But I want to look at the level again soon, I'm still hopeful for like 1:43 a piece.
There's also a strat on Frigate SA which is possibly possible, possibly impossible that I need to look into: Absolutely launching the bug as you step on the first set of stairs (immediately pause or 2.X -> early pause if it helped). Getting the right range isn't a problem. Running through the corridor to open the other door before it lands isn't a problem. The only reason it isn't pretty easy (and a god-like strat) is one of the portals above the ship is a tiny bit too short. I got a bit fed up looking at it but it's literally borderline.
Frigate 00 with Randy's route 1:02 should be possible. I still don't like taking that hostage, and generally think Frigate could still have some secrets.
More concretely Caverns A 1:00 has to be possible.
On the other difficulties I'd consider "A from above" viable, so 00 I'd go lower than 1:29, but I'm not sure by what. Even SA I'd go 1:10 I think.
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LOL jesus christ. Imagine r-leaning the bug from the start, whew :o
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Surface 1 SA 1:46 is possible with current strats. No doubt about it.
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B1 SA 19, Statue A 217 and Jungle A 48 are some cooked maxed preds and I don't see a path to any of them without a new discovery... and when you start bringing talk of new discoveries... you might as well just throw the whole "maxed" idea away. So of course all these times are only considering today's knowledge.
I thought I saw a 3rd cam B1 SA 19 failed vid somewhere last year when he was going for 20. Did I dreamed or something?
I think you are referring to this clip (https://clips.twitch.tv/HardAlertCakePRChase) in which you can clearly see this is not a legit run and was clipped by someone who has no idea.
Yeah that's exactly the one! I changed it back to 0:20
Did you read the thread?
Sure did!
Idk if those were really 32 pace. I don't believe in cradle 32s with the current strat even with 2/3 total boosts. Statue A 217....crazier things have happened and that isn't something I'd discount - insane and unlikely as it is, it would elicit the time. I doubt it's as possible to get a cradle 32 however.
I put back everything in place the 217s and 32s as some people on both camp seems to think some of these times are possibles
[All wild speculation]
Surface 1: M Strat OOK #2 on SA and 00A.
What is this? How much shoud I shave from the current times?
Lets say.. 0s for now.
But I want to look at the level again soon, I'm still hopeful for like 1:43 a piece.
I'll gladly add this when it'll be proved to be possible :)
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People have gotten 3:55 pace starts on control agent, seems more likely to me than let's say a jungle 48.
Also, while the record will probably never be a perfect run, silo SA 1:07 is definitely able to be cut at least a second.
And caverns 00 could be 1:28.
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Tbh i dont see m strat being applicable at this time.
EDIT: White already said it for me
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Does this need to be updated in light of the new Control strat?
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yes
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Does this need to be updated in light of the new Control strat?
Even without the strat, this needs to be updated. The final total yellow total appears to be wrong. I count 56 seconds cut, not 54. Before the Control strat of course, which I would assume means a second cut from each difficulty? Even if we don't put that in immediately, the final number in OP needs to be changed.
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Sorry guys I'm definitely not active enough in the community to follow everything that's going on. Just point me clearly which level/time I need to update on the scheme and I will gladly do
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From what I can remember, Pettit has stated that Frig SA 56 is possible and Clemens said that 355/401/401 is possible on Control. Clem also said that Silo SA 105 and Cavs 00 127 are possible, but then maybe Marc or Wodahs might disagree.
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Yeah Pettit had A onscreen and a stuck or two so definitely 57/56 possible, insane though
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I'm sure people have had 57 fails but has anyone even had a 56 fail? Based on the WR the SA hostage would be ludicrously tight.. you'd be better off with some kind of insane other route :thinking:
And with the recent control strat the ideal saving is somewhere between 1 and 2 seconds on SA/00A, so I guess it depends how close the levels were to being untied as it was. Agent is multi-way tied but it wasn't (and so still isn't) thought of as weak right? I don't know how much it would save on agent but I doubt it's a whole second (without gun shots).
So just working from what you have atm I'd say 355 / 401 / 401 with those 401s being truely mad.
No chance of 399 without OOB