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The Big Three Plus One => GoldenEye 007 => Topic started by: IIsYnII on March 02, 2020, 09:30:36 pm
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Obviously as we advance so do our Strats.. but I think a lot of the world records that got bopped bc of a new strategy
\had better lines and strafing..
what record is the best based on the strategy used in the run
Anyone get what im asking?
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Any one get what im asking?
Yes for example when there's a new untied you might hear someone say "the other run was better but this new strat saves alot" etc
I think the best way to get an answer for this would be just wait for Boss' poll series to finish and then have a poll with the winner of each year to determine the top 20 or whatever, there could be some exceptions to it though.
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Any one get what im asking?
Yes for example when there's a new untied you might hear someone say "the other run was better but this new strat saves alot" etc
I think the best way to get an answer for this would be just wait for Boss' poll series to finish and then have a poll with the winner of each year to determine the top 20 or whatever, there could be some exceptions to it though.
I didn't even notice it.
that sounds fantastic
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it's Dam 00A 1:55 by Marc Rutzou
I've actually been thinking about writing up an entire post about it. It's the kind of thing I could make a vid about, but it might be a little too esoteric to do well on YouTube.
Think about all the new players, getting insane WRs, great times. They have 2.x mastery. Calle & Gus on Surface 1 & Depot, Wodahs on Aztec, tons of new players with Tier 4 and above WR potential, untied WR potential, etc.
On top of the 2.x mastery and modern era of players, there's been a new strategy on Dam 00A, saving around 1 second. Despite this strategy, only the best player who has ever played the game has been able to tie Marc's Dam 00A 1:55. And on top of that, only yours truly, who streamed the level for 2 months straight, got within 1 second of the 1:55. And on top of that, only Yendis, along with Swiss, Wodahs & Karl (all top 10 players) have got within 2 seconds of the 1:55 since the open door strategy has been refined. All sorts of new things to make life easier and faster have been discovered. And yet, most people still cannot get within 3 seconds of Marc's Dam 00A 1:55 from early 2011.
Think about it. Surface 1 SA 1:46. Depot 00A 0:45. Surface 2 00A 1:21. Freaking Runway Agent 0:21. This is the new era of GoldenEye speedrunning. Yet these same players cannot even get within 3+ seconds of Marc's Dam 00A 1:55; despite having a 1 second timesave and the use of 2.x mastery.
Is there any other record from 2011 that stands up as well? That even the best, new players, with 2.x and new strategies, can't even come close to tying?
Dam 00A 1:55 is the best WR ever set in the history of GoldenEye speedrunning. By a long, long distance. It's not even close.
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Thats a good fucking argument and I dont disagree
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Don't forget Caverns 00A 1:35 NTSC (No BA) by Clemens and The Real Ace. Very insane time.
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Boss MBR Agent 1:19 pre-Icy strat.
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Boss MBR Agent 1:19 pre-Icy strat.
Excuse me Mike but this is the Goldeneye board
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Clemens train agent 1:00 on NTSC is pretty good if you consider using an inferior version a strat :nesquik:
I agree with Goose that Marc's 1:55 is pretty insane; Marc himself said that it was "The most insane record i have ever achieved at the peak of my prime."
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I think there's more people than we might think that are capable of 1:57 or lower, don't forget that Dam 00A is a heavily underplayed level, and that almost nobody exept Marc, Ace and Goose, really tried for 1:55 (and 2/3 of thoses players got it).
To be able to even go for 1:55 you have to be able to get sub 2:00, 1:59, 1:58, 1:57 etc... it requires a ton of effort to get good at the level in the first place (and so to be able to have 1:55 as a realistic goal), and usually once you're good at it and you get a 90 pointer you stop here because why would you go for lower ?
I think we simply need more players to go for this record, i'm sure a lot of people are capable of it (or a least capable of getting close to it).
But for Marc's original 1:55 using all the old strats, it's definetly a tier 1 time, it's beautiful and will always be insane.
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Yeah, Joris makes a good point. Most people just want a decent time on the level, and will then move on. 1:55 would have still been tied but probably by no more than 2 other people.
Here's a somewhat, average looking 1:55 fail with the old strat. Note the boost ratio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vlZLep28Bs
Clemens' 1:35 is more insane than mine because 1) NTSC-EN is harder to live on and 2) he doesn't use the scientist lure at the start, which saves close to a second. Although to be fair I think my 1:35 was low.
Clemens' Aztec SA 1:31 is really good for the strat he used. Egypt A 0:45 from 2008 as well.
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Dam 00 is the most exhausting stage imo.
After just a few runs it’s gets tiring.
I’m glad people understood what I meant in the OP thanks for the input.
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WJ Depot 00A 0:50 is another time that deserves a mention in this ilk.
Even if we assume the use of 2.x saves 3 full seconds; then the current WR of 0:45 would only now be getting to 0:48. But it's even harder than that, especially on 00 Agent, because you're more likely to get harassed in the mainframe room. Shooting out the screen will often result in you getting pinged around that room, thus making the full 3 second timesave less likely.
Depot 00A 0:50 would probably be Wouter's 00A time that stood up the best to current time, if 2.x was never discovered or was never allowed on the rankings. At most, 48 would be an UWR, 49 would be a 1-2 liner, and 50 would be worth 80+ points. And most reservedly, I could see 49 being only a 5-6 way tie, with 50 still being worth over 90+ points. In that case, Depot 00A 0:49 would be a close equivalent record to say... a Dam SA 1:16 or a Bunker 2 A 0:23.
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Agreed on Depot 00A 0:50. Isn't 0:50 still the 1.x WR?
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Definitely. Clem (and maybe Ace & Boss?) went for 0:49 with 1.2, but never got it. Then 2.x came along. I bet Clem or Ace would eventually have gotten 49 with 1.2, but it would have taken a while. And yeah like I said, I doubt 49 would be more than a 2 liner... maybe a three-liner at MOST.
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Clemens 3:58 on control is wild. It’s just flawlessly run, I believe it’s before the mine throws were used too