Post by: ProfessorChaos on December 26, 2005, 10:40:00 pm
i'm not an expert in other religions but at least christianity is gay. the bible was written by some crackheads thousands of years ago who didnt have anything better to do. jesus was a magician of his time. he just tricked people into thinking he was a super dude. nobody lives obeying 100% the 10 commandments. then there were/are all those missonaries who went to africa and stuff to give food etc. to the people if they become christians and leave their own faith. forcing and bribing is a nice way to get new "believers". i think president bush said one of the reasons he attacked to iraq was because god told him so. so a some big nigga in your head said so and you did? seems like a sweet reason. i'll go and killrape some babies because something in my head said so.
and just thinking hypothetically, i think most religions teach that their religion is the only right one. so even if one religion would be right, all the other ones are wrong. officially i am christian but the church has no meaning to me. god has no effect on me. what happens, happens for no reason at all. their is no higher force controlling me. i should probably resign from the church. i dont want to be paying a part of my income to something that does not help me at all. i guess i want a church wedding though if i ever happen to get married so i guess i wont resign.
oh well, people have the right to believe in whatever they want... even if it's some totally retarded @#%$.
Post by: RWG on December 27, 2005, 01:03:00 am
Post by: wishiwasfamous on December 27, 2005, 01:05:00 am
You can't just spew out what you believe is in the Bible if you don't read and study it by yourself (or for my case, with a Bible Study leader). If you were aware of religion and read more than just the 10 commandments and the first three chapters of Genises, you would know that the Bible is the source of 2 MAJOR religions: Judaism and Christianity. Where Judaism only uses the Old Testament, Christianity also uses the New Testament and the Old Testament.
And just because you live the 10 commandments entirely, sunrise, sunset, every single day of your life, you will NOT get into Heaven, as people seem to believe. Dead faith gets you nowhere. I can get into more detail, but this post would be way too long. Just contact me if you really have questions about that area.
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he just tricked people into thinking he was a super dude.
If He tricked people, then He obviously did a good job. Not only is He the head of a religion (Christianity), He is also seen by Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism as a prophet.
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i think the percentage of people who truly believe in some kind of God is pretty low though.
Christianity has over 1 billion followers, Judaism has a couple million, and Islam is also in the billions. So they definitely do believe in some sort of God. Not to mention that they all have their similarities with each other.
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why not just believe the science dudes.
Because those science dudes just refuse to believe in God. They want to prove that the creation of everything in the universe, including the universe itself was all done at random, which when you think about, sounds pretty farfetched.
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jesus was a magician of his time.
Miracles have occured when Jesus didn't commit them. Chalices (Chalii?) have literally turned from wine to blood, crucifixes on the possessed do burn, and more famous: Moses and the parting of the Sea. How can these be explained without religion?
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officially i am christian but the church has no meaning to me.
That's because you've probably never actually studied the Bible that your parents probably gave you. You say you're a Christian, why not read why you are a Christian?
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i should probably resign from the church.
You can always change.
Seriously though, if you have any questions, feel free to ask me.
Post by: ProfessorChaos on December 27, 2005, 09:35:00 am
i had like 6 years of religion studies in school when i was smaller. we read the bible and studied jesus and his miracles. it just never really had any kind of impact on me. i went to that class because it was compulsory but hat was it. i was never thinking after class: "ahh, that was a great lesson" or anything like that. i'm more of a science man and want scientific answers but there are many questions that even highly developed modern science cant explain and those questions are fascinating. i just dont think religion can guve me the answers because imo those answers dont rely on really anything.
a while ago someone close to me died. he was the first really close person near me who has passed away. at first my mind was filled with some religions issues. "where is he now?" "what happens after death?" etc. i dont really think so anymore. he is dead and he didnt go anywhere. it just happened for no reason and god did not influence in it in any way. that person shared my thoughts pretty strongly. he didnt believe in god and religion had no real meaning to him. i think religion should not be connected with his life and death as it had no meaning to him.
@goose: do you think christianity is the only right religion? are all the other religions that believe in other thing wrong?
Post by: RWG on December 27, 2005, 04:45:00 pm
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do you think christianity is the only right religion? are all the other religions that believe in other thing wrong?
I personally am a conservative/borderline fascist. I am christian, and I believe it is the best religion. Are there other religions? Yes. Do people have the right to follow these? Yes. As long as people of other religions don't bother me, I won't bother them. I've had problems with some jewish people in the past, so personally, I do not like jewish people.
Another thing, is that non-religious people can look at science as a type of religion or at least a belief. Religions explain many questions. There is no proof that religious answers are wrong, nor they are right. You really have to believe. With science, there is solid evidence that their answers are correct, so it is easier to believe. The only problem is that you cannot answer the unanswerable questions. Like "whats after life" and things. Religion can answer these questions, but whether or not you believe the answers is another thing.
Post by: Axel A on December 27, 2005, 08:30:00 pm
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Post by: ProfessorChaos on December 27, 2005, 09:24:00 pm
btw, there was just an article in the newspaper on some genes. they were explaining about a gene that will make or not make you believe in different religions and stuff. seemed funny that even people's faiths could be studied scientifically
Post by: wishiwasfamous on December 27, 2005, 09:34:00 pm
Axel, religious folks can hope for hospitals too. With that quote, you make it sound like religious people don't want to save lives. I just prefer to have something to pray for while my friend is in intensive care, else you're just sitting there doing nothing while he's on that bed. That, or using his body cast as toilet paper.
Post by: NathanStinson on December 27, 2005, 09:53:00 pm
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"An Atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An Atheist believes that deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty vanished, war eliminated."
you're right, there are no christians involved in the medical service. Christians also are lazy and don't accomplish anything with life, all those missionaries are bums.
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Post by: Djie on December 28, 2005, 04:59:00 pm
As for a god or not, depends what kind of definition we use. I don't like the idea of the big supreme being that created everything because he wanted to. That image for me is as farfetched as the creation of the universe proved by science. All I want to believe is in inner power, or will. Something you can rely on when there's nothing else. I do not go to the church or read the bible. But I believe in my spirituality. And that spirituality isn't christian, nor islamist nor bouddhist or whatever religion.
Post by: wishiwasfamous on December 28, 2005, 06:37:00 pm
As for, the "old" and conservative views Benedict has led the catholic church: Yes, catholicism has had its bad times, with selling indulgences, and "making up rules," and whatnot. But it was done because catholicism was mislead and bribed by others to make catholicism fit in to medieval society and the lifestyles of whoever was paying the most money. So what Benedict is trying to do, is to prevent another mistake like the Catholic church has done in the past. He's preventing any further change for the time being. He's staying as close to the Bible as he can. After all, the Bible hasn't evolved over time, has it?
Post by: Troublesome Moral Code on December 28, 2005, 06:44:00 pm
Post by: RWG on December 28, 2005, 07:23:00 pm
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But with science, and the big bang stuff, you have to believe that just out of nowhere, there was an explosion and it created things. What happened before that? How did random stuff get created? etc.
With God, you ask things like Where did he come from? Why did he make the world? and things. Both theories, religious and scientific have their holes. You gotta make a leap of faith over one of the holes, in order to believe the rest of it.
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on December 28, 2005, 09:26:00 pm
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I've had problems with some jewish people in the past, so personally, I do not like jewish people.
Because they were Jewish?
Arnie
Post by: wishiwasfamous on December 28, 2005, 09:55:00 pm
Post by: Saint Shang on December 28, 2005, 10:46:00 pm
Post by: RWG on December 28, 2005, 10:47:00 pm
So basically now, I know he's an ass and he's Jewish. I've met more people and had more problems with people who are also Jewish. Coincidence? Maybe, but still, I've learned to be careful around Jews.
And stop being such a left-wing communist Durk.
Post by: Saint Shang on December 28, 2005, 10:49:00 pm
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Post by: wishiwasfamous on December 29, 2005, 01:37:00 am
But yes, good point: Emo's are scary. They seem to be musically gifted goths with no white face paint and no pleather trenchcoats (unless that's what completely identifies a goth to begin with). I have a suitemate who's an emo. He never really bugs me, but his taste in music and clothes leave something to be desired.
Post by: the Blueline Goddess on December 29, 2005, 01:48:00 am
I told everyone in my family several times to not buy me anything this year. I don't believe in the holiday. I still asked people what they would like.
But I guess, according to others in this thread, I am a "complete @#%$".
I'm atheist because I don't buy into the thought that everything happens for a reason only he knows. Too many bad things happen to good people, and I think that's utter bullshit. Any just and fair god would stop punishing those who didn't do anything and go after the bad people in this world. Ironically, it's the bad people who continue to thrive. Also, if he makes all things, he made people gay, which then puts a huge flaw in a lot of religious-right arguments against gay people.
As for heaven/hell, I'm undecided. If it exists, I suppose I'm banished to hell because I don't believe nor do I buy into much of what the bible says. But I know I'll be in good company.
Post by: RWG on December 29, 2005, 02:24:00 am
Also, sorry Blue, but yea. I know its impossible for 1 person to stop celebrating Xmas alone, but it is the non-christians as a group who have to do that. Not that each individual is a @#%$, but that the group are fuckheads.
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on December 29, 2005, 08:30:00 am
Arnie
Post by: wishiwasfamous on December 29, 2005, 01:58:00 pm
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Too many bad things happen to good people, and I think that's utter bullshit.
It's because he wants us to see the evil that exists because of the temptation of the devil since the Garden of Eden incident. What the devil gives us are worldly desires and will not help us in the end, and will eventually bite us in the butt/ass/rear end while we are still living. No one can stop all worldly desires/sorrows. If there were no devil, there would be no stopping us from doing whatever we wanted. Thus, everything would be ok with God and would guarantee us a spot in Heaven. This is completely false. This is why the Bible exists, to show us what is wrong and what is right, and what is the only way to get into Heaven.
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Also, if he makes all things, he made people gay, which then puts a huge flaw in a lot of religious-right arguments against gay people.
He did not make people gay. Adam and Eve were not gay. I need only lead you to 1 Corinthians 7: 9-11 for further explanation.
Again, you aren't permanently banished to Hell, BG. I know that it requires a lot of work to just change all of your beliefs to a spiritual thinking, but the reward in the end is much more gratifying.
Post by: wishiwasfamous on December 29, 2005, 04:48:00 pm
Post by: RWG on December 29, 2005, 05:25:00 pm
"(9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. (10) Nor theives, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (11) And such were some of you: but ye are washed but ye are sancitified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
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He did not make people gay
It's amazing with all the science in the world that you still believe this bullsh1t. How do you explain that homosexuality has been observed in animals? Do they make a choice about it? No, because they don't have the capacity to make that choice, numbnuts.
Post by: wishiwasfamous on December 29, 2005, 06:52:00 pm
) it doesn't matter what they do in their life, as they just rot in the ground in the end, right? Nowhere in Genises does it mention homosexuality, so the idea never occured to Him. He didn't want this idea to occur, because he told not only us, but all the animals to "be fertile and multiply." When was the last time homosexual penguins were fertile and multiplied? When the idea of homosexuality DID come to pass, it was condemned, like I pointed out earlier. If you don't condemn homosexuality, you'd be contradicting your own God, and that is not right, correct?Also, you only pick one thing about nature and animals. Other things that animals do in nature is against the Bible. They eat their own young, some kill in cold blood, and have multiple partners. So why bring up that one point when it has nothing to do with us?
Post by: the Blueline Goddess on December 29, 2005, 07:43:00 pm
And somehow striking down someone in the prime of their life, for no reason at all, doesn't tell me to be aware of evil. It tells me life sucks, there is nothing out there, and if there is, god is a huge @#%$.
If there was a god, I would expect him to be loving to his children, not all about pulling what amounts to pranks because he thinks they are dumb and won't learn otherwise.
Post by: the Blueline Goddess on December 29, 2005, 07:44:00 pm
Give me a freakin' break.
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on December 29, 2005, 08:32:00 pm
Arnie
Post by: RWG on December 29, 2005, 09:01:00 pm
Post by: wishiwasfamous on December 29, 2005, 10:48:00 pm
As for the expectations of God you laid out, therein is your problem. Man cannot shape God in his image, but rather vice-versa. Were man to shape God in his image, he would be commiting a sin (trying to be better than God).
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And somehow striking down someone in the prime of their life, for no reason at all, doesn't tell me to be aware of evil.
This didn't make much sense to me. Maybe just the wording. If you were to clarify it (or I just "got it") I could talk about it.
As for the "natural" comment Adam, I'm pretty sure that if we did what was natural to us we would not be seen in kindness with God (sex, drugs, swearing, killing, etc.). This does not focus only on homosexuality like you seem to want.
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Post by: Soft-Hedwig on December 30, 2005, 07:52:00 am
Arnie
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Arnie
Post by: Soft-Hedwig on December 30, 2005, 11:16:00 am
And you wonder why my university's Christian Union is the most widely hated group in the university? It's because of patronising/condescending attitudes, them saying we need to be 'saved' etc. When in fact we all know that the bible was put together at a conference, and shouldn't be taken at face value.
Post by: wishiwasfamous on December 30, 2005, 03:23:00 pm
I take use of the Bible, because I've been studying it, and know how to use it if I must defend myself over why I believe in it. This Study group that I'm with is totally different from my Catholic faith, yet we all agree on the same things that I've pointed out (maybe not the raise your hands in the air and SING!, like I black gospel choir, as it just seems too hokey. I'm not even sure you'd do that either, frankly...).
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Hell, I bet Thomas wants to go back to a society where women were stoned to death, to make his Christain experience all the more 'authentic'.
Bad bet Adam, just completely false
I don't see where the Bible is irrational, but I'd be willing to talk about it. And I really don't think the enlightened word of God was written at a conference, but I could be wrong.*something witty goes at the end here*
Post by: Cervone on December 30, 2005, 08:46:00 pm
People have may different religions. Let's just accept that fact rather than play the good old games of preaching, bashing, and shit-smearing.
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This also needs to be bumped for timeliness and pointing out the fact that I am still an asshole who hasn't changed at all in over 3 years.
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Post by: alexaxxem on December 18, 2008, 05:04:00 pm
I believe in God, use to go to church every sunday though now its like once a year but I think it would be cool for something to happen to end religions... well not cool but somewhat funny such as..
1. They find out we were monkeys
2. How the world was invented
3. the world ends and no god comes
cause then if one of those happens... everyone who believes in religion would be like... oh shit wtf.
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