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Title: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Yendis on March 05, 2021, 12:31:54 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/ShIVX5T.png)

Perfect Dark UWC (https://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=24074.msg470981)

There's always gonna be talk about who is the best player in the world, especially when great untieds are achieved, so this is a funny way to solve the discussion.

So, per the idea of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unofficial_Football_World_Championships, it would be interesting to track where the title will pass. Essentially a list of the dude who bopped the dude who bopped the dude who ... bopped Wodahs (Where we start, unless someone wants to track back in time :nesquik:).

For the title to pass a PR (A/SA/00 Goldeneye) in proof worthy quality needs to be uploaded and posted in this thread that makes the current champion lose a point. Posts does not have to be done by the person who achieved the time. If the current champ has N/As, any PR worth points on a level where the champ has an N/A will make the title pass. This is to prevent players like Calle from holding the title forever.

Whiteted (https://rankings.the-elite.net/~Whiteted/goldeneye)  is your WORLD CHAMPION

Spoiler
Champion tracking:
[2021.03.21] Whiteted with Aztec 00 1:53
[2021.03.21] Rob P. with Frigate SA 1:05
[2021.03.19] Psychroptic with Cradle Agent 0:34
[2021.03.19] Rob P. with Bunker 2 A 0:24
[2021.03.15] Repo with Train SA 1:25
[2021.03.05] Wodahs
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Leo_Perna on March 05, 2021, 02:01:18 pm
This is so cool. Cool that Italy are the current champions pog
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Whiteted on March 05, 2021, 02:46:36 pm
Hahah this is a brilliant idea. Can you make the champion's name link to their timespage so that people can target times please.
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Yendis on March 05, 2021, 03:18:01 pm
Quote from: Whiteted on March 05, 2021, 02:46:36 pm
Hahah this is a brilliant idea. Can you make the champion's name link to their timespage so that people can target times please.

Good idea, will add that
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Blue Khakis on March 05, 2021, 08:56:12 pm
Oh this is an awesome idea! The UFWC was developed by going back to the first international football match in 1872 (a draw between England and Scotland), with England becoming the inaugural champions by winning the rematch in 1873.

Figuring out the inaugural GE World Champion will be tough- first, we'd have to figure out what our criteria are- would it simply be the oldest documented PB? If this is the case, then we'd have to go back to the earliest date records are available for the elite, 26/07/1998. On this day, a ton of records are dumped onto the rankings at once, however, on that day the greatest number of records was held by Sterling, so I think it makes sense to say that the Sterling was our inaugural champion as of 26/07/1998, we would then need to figure out who the first person to bop Sterling was and the first person to bop that person and so on. I'm not sure how feasible checking that manually would be (especially for non-WR bops, which obviously won't be in the WR database) unless someone can write a program to do this.

I have to say, the fact that SOMEONE out there is the current champion without even knowing it is pretty crazy!
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Icy on March 05, 2021, 09:06:11 pm
I think it's reasonable to assume anyone who would have been the unofficial champion would have been bopped by Karl's Dam 0:52, so start from there. :v
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Yendis on March 06, 2021, 12:21:26 am
Quote from: Blue Khakis on March 05, 2021, 08:56:12 pm
Oh this is an awesome idea! The UFWC was developed by going back to the first international football match in 1872 (a draw between England and Scotland), with England becoming the inaugural champions by winning the rematch in 1873.

Figuring out the inaugural GE World Champion will be tough- first, we'd have to figure out what our criteria are- would it simply be the oldest documented PB? If this is the case, then we'd have to go back to the earliest date records are available for the elite, 26/07/1998. On this day, a ton of records are dumped onto the rankings at once, however, on that day the greatest number of records was held by Sterling, so I think it makes sense to say that the Sterling was our inaugural champion as of 26/07/1998, we would then need to figure out who the first person to bop Sterling was and the first person to bop that person and so on. I'm not sure how feasible checking that manually would be (especially for non-WR bops, which obviously won't be in the WR database) unless someone can write a program to do this.

I have to say, the fact that SOMEONE out there is the current champion without even knowing it is pretty crazy!

Yeah without there being tournament matches or recorded official matches or something of the sort it's impossible to reconstruct. This title will also bounce way more than a boxing belt or the football match equivalent, so it's possible everyone in the current top 40 would have held the title at some point.

I figured starting at the current champions would at least make some sense, even though it's very likely Karl had the true title when he got Dam 52 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: ragearainbow on March 06, 2021, 02:48:31 am
An idea I've had for some time is [Hall of fame] honoring those past legends for both games would fit nicely with this idea.

Maybe goose could do a video + interview.
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Jack Newman on March 06, 2021, 03:04:13 am
I tried to do a little research into past champions, but realized that it fluctuates a LOT.  I started at Karl's Dam 52 and worked my way forward, but realized that bopping the champion wasn't actually that hard.  For example, the first person to bop Karl after 52 was Birdie (lol) with Runway SA 22.  However, since Birdie had and still has N/As on Train and Jungle SA and 00A, the next person to PR on any of those levels would take it away from him.  That person was actually Joris with Train SA 1:55.  But, since Joris's oldest Streets Agent PR is dated 2018, the next person to PR on Streets A...you know the drill.  That person was some dude named Matthew Sherwood (https://rankings.the-elite.net/~lordfool/goldeneye) with 1:27.  It only spiraled more and more out of control from there.

Maybe make a rule that the bop has to be worth points?


Quote from: ragearainbow on March 06, 2021, 02:48:31 am
An idea I've had for some time is [Hall of fame] honoring those past legends for both games would fit nicely with this idea.

Maybe goose could do a video + interview.

There is a vintage Hall of Fame, but it hasn't been updated in 15 years: https://www.the-elite.net/thehall/
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: RWG on March 06, 2021, 03:15:50 am
My friends... who was Matthew Sherwood?
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: SammoSammy on March 06, 2021, 04:38:42 am
Quote from: Yendis on March 05, 2021, 12:31:54 pm
Wodahs (https://rankings.the-elite.net/~Wodahs-Reklaw/goldeneye)  is your WORLD CHAMPION

(https://i.imgur.com/kuJjEB4.png)

Congrats on UWC Wodahs!
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Blue Khakis on March 06, 2021, 07:31:36 pm
I’ve figured it out!

So, I realised obviously any time there is an untied, the person who achieves it must automatically become the champion, so the last untied we had was Marc’s 154, so I started working manually from there. I then used uncommon WRs to figure out the rest.

So after starting with Marc, I worked out the championship progression until Joris’s most recent PB.

Marc Dam 00 154 Nov 16

Spoiler
Cory May Runway SA 22 Nov 17
Paul Hoppner Jungle SA 102 Nov 17
Tyler P Cradle A 35 Nov 17
Dan O S2 SA 53 Nov 17
Steve Rigney Dam 00 202 Nov 17
Colton Hinkle Dam 00 201 Nov 17
Josh Schwarz Dam 00 159
Cory May Runway 00 34 Nov 18
Josh Schwarz Dam 00 158 Nov 18
Calle Dam 00 157 Nov 19
Paul Sellings Cavs SA 12:23 Nov 20
Dusky Dam 00 Agent 158 Nov 20
Colton Hinkle Aztec SA 133 Nov 20
Timmy Train 00 153 Nov 20
Janne Pitkanen Jungle A 49 Nov 22 (WR)
David Klos Train Agent 109 Nov 23
Joris Streets A 111 Nov 23 (WR)
Simon L Aztec SA 135 Nov 23
Austin H Dep 00 49 Nov 23
Michiel Groosman S2 SA 50 Nov 25
Mael Robic Aztec A 138 Nov 25
Leo Perna Dam 00 204 Nov 25
Dan O S1 SA 150
Zack B Dep A 23 Nov 25
Josh Schwarz Train A 110 Nov 25
Joris Aztec SA 138 Nov 26
Adam V Train 00 Agent 157 Nov 28
Wodahs Dam 00 156 Nov 28
Clemens Dam 00 155 Dec 7
Joakim Ljung Runway 00 34 Dec 7
Russ Wharff Jungle 00 358 Dec 7
Matthew Hogan Arch A 18 Dec 7
Dean Johnson Jungle 00 118 Dec 8
Dan O Dam 00 206 Dec 8
Josh Schwarz Train SA 135 Dec 8
Timmy Train A 101 Dec 10
Chris Gonsalves Egypt A 44 Dec 12
Matthew Craker Aztec A 333 Dec 13
Roger Cantley Statue 00 Agent 219 Dec 13
Matthew Hogan S2 00 120 Dec 13
Josh Thomson S2 00 Agent 129
Dan O Train SA 135 Dec 14
Simon L Archives 00 56 Dec 15
Sean Johnson Control SA 418
James Nero Dep 24 Dec 15
Kieran Maher Runway SA 24 Dec 15
Joakim Ljung Runway 00 33
Dan O Train SA 134 Dec 15
Simon L Arch SA 56 Dec 17
Matthew Hogan Train A 119 Dec 17
Dan O Train SA 132 Dec 18
Sean Johnson Control Agent 400 Dec 18
Dan O Train Agent 107 Dec 18
Tyler P Frig SA 107
Dan O Train 00 Agent 200 Dec 18
Joris Quevedo Egypt SA 45 Dec 19
Sean Johnson Control 00 420 Dec 20
Mael Robic S2 00 129 Dec 20
James Greening Train SA 156 Dec 20
Eric Liikala Control A 400 Dec 20
Kyle Reid Control 00 417 Dec 20
Tyler P Frig A 113 Dec 20

At the point of his most recent PB, Joris becomes champion with this Egypt 00 45, but is then swiftly dethroned by Icy.

Joris Egypt 00 45 Dec 21
Icy Control 00 417 Dec 21

Between Icy dethroning Joris and Joakim achieving B1 A 16, none of Karl, Clem or Joris PB, which means that the champion on Jan 29 necessarily does not have B1 A 16.

So Joakim Ljung’s B1 A 16 on January 29th makes him champion- only to lose it to Josh Thomson’s Caverns SA 122 on the same day.

Again, between Josh Thomson dethroning Joakim and Banz achieving B1 A 16 on February 9th, none of Karl, Clem, Joris or Joakim PB (I'm not including JL's system version PBs), so champ necessarily does not have B1 A 16 on February 9th.

Banz achieves B1 A 16 on February 9th.

Between Banz achieving B1 A 16 and February 20th, none of Karl, Gus, Wodahs or Joris PB, so the champion necessarily does not have Arch 15 on February 20th.

So when Austin H achieves Arch A 15 on 15th February, he becomes champion- so I just had to manually check the rest.

So we’re getting close, it’s getting dramatic, just WHO is the current holder of the UWC belt???

Well, here we go:

Dr Light Aztec SA 138 Feb 21
SammoSammy Silo SA 111 Feb 23
Steve Rigney Dam 00 159 Feb 23
Thanos Saltsidis Cavs 00 552 Feb 23
Kyle Reid B2 00 102 Feb 23
Yendis Frig SA 105 Feb 24
Jeremiah Voight Frig A 138 Feb 24
Zane Holbrooke-Jones Train A 133
Baptiste Remérand B2 A 29 Feb 24
Patrick Caudle Control Agent 453 Feb 24
Zack B Cavs 00 652
Josh Schwarz Aztec A 128 Feb 24
Gus Riolo Dam 00 156 March 3
Josh Schwarz Aztec SA 135 March 3
Dusky Aztec 00 138 March 5
Dr Light Egypt 00 47
Zachary Risebrough S1 SA 150 March 5
Tyler P Aztec SA 137 March 5
Dusky Aztec SA 133 March 5
Brian Rose Jungle A 107 March 6
Thanos Saltsidis Cradle SA 47 March 6
Zachary Risebrough Jungle A 113 March 6

aand, ladies and gentlemen, as of 07/03/2021 00:30 UTC your current reigning UWC holder is...

Icy

who took the belt from Zachary with his Cradle SA 34 on March 6!
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Icy on March 06, 2021, 07:38:02 pm
Quote from: Blue Khakis on March 06, 2021, 07:31:36 pm
I’ve figured it out!

So, I realised obviously any time there is an untied, the person who achieves it must automatically become the champion

This is only true if the previous champion had not already been bopped. When Marc got 1:54, the only new bop was Ace, who was the only other player to have 1:55.
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Blue Khakis on March 06, 2021, 07:48:12 pm
Quote from: Icy on March 06, 2021, 07:38:02 pm
Quote from: Blue Khakis on March 06, 2021, 07:31:36 pm
I’ve figured it out!

So, I realised obviously any time there is an untied, the person who achieves it must automatically become the champion

This is only true if the previous champion had not already been bopped. When Marc got 1:54, the only new bop was Ace, who was the only other player to have 1:55.
I've never seen such an unenthusiastic reaction to being told they are champion :smirk:

Well, according to the UWC football rules, it works as if the championship is a title belt a la boxing, as in any team who beats the reigning champion is declared champion.

So I thought it made more sense to make the rules such that you simply need to achieve a superior PB to the champion. If we make it so that it has to be a bop where you make the champion lose points, then I think this introduces problems, for example, any player who has 60/60 PBs better than the champion cannot take the championship off them in this case.
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Icy on March 06, 2021, 07:52:55 pm
Quote from: Blue Khakis on March 06, 2021, 07:48:12 pm
Quote from: Icy on March 06, 2021, 07:38:02 pm
Quote from: Blue Khakis on March 06, 2021, 07:31:36 pm
I’ve figured it out!

So, I realised obviously any time there is an untied, the person who achieves it must automatically become the champion

This is only true if the previous champion had not already been bopped. When Marc got 1:54, the only new bop was Ace, who was the only other player to have 1:55.
If we make it so that it has to be a bop where you make the champion lose points, then I think this introduces problems, for example, any player who has 60/60 PBs better than the champion cannot take the championship off them in this case.

That's actually a good point. Guess I'm the champ then.
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Yendis on March 06, 2021, 08:19:48 pm
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If we make it so that it has to be a bop where you make the champion lose points, then I think this introduces problems, for examplei, any player who has 60/60 PBs better than the champon cannot take the championship off them in this case.

This is intentional.

We start with Wodahs for simplicity sake or else someone else can take over this thread because my intention was never to reconstruct some arbitrary timeline.
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Blue Khakis on March 07, 2021, 04:05:10 pm
Having trawled through some of the records, I can say that I think the "hard" bop methodology way will be a lot messier and more difficult to track. Plus, in my subjective opinion, having a more complicated and potentially sprawling set of rules kind of makes the concept less elegant i.e.

1) Cause the champion to lose points
Exception A: If champion has N/A, then any person who PBs on this level becomes champion, even though no points were lost.
Exception B: Untied WRs dethrone the current champion even if they do not cause the champion to lose points.

is harder to track and less intuitive than:

1) Get a better PB than the champion.


If I could make a suggestion, I would say that probably the best way to track the title would be to add it as one of the bullet points on "Recent activity", so it would look something like this:

PlayerName
Aztec - 00 Agent - 1:50                      18 hours ago

Given all the mathematical wizardry that is already automated, I suspect this wouldn't be hard to implement?
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Brose on March 08, 2021, 04:40:01 pm
Somehow I knew it was a good idea to post video for Jungle A 1:07.
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Yendis on March 15, 2021, 06:12:47 am
Repo takes the title.

Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Sharpeye468 on March 19, 2021, 04:30:06 pm
Mystery man Rob P. takes the title!

Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Sharpeye468 on March 19, 2021, 08:18:46 pm
Zack B. snags the crown from our mystery man!

Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Sharpeye468 on March 21, 2021, 04:56:43 pm
Rob P. strikes again!

Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Whiteted on March 21, 2021, 11:06:57 pm
Rob P had better post a bloody PR comment next time he PBs on Frigate or else I'll actually try and knock him off of this :LOL:
As it is I've taken him off with




JK long live the queen old chum
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Sharpeye468 on March 22, 2021, 01:11:49 am
Zack B. strikes back!

Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Whiteted on March 22, 2021, 09:23:42 am
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If the current champ has N/As, any PR worth points on a level where the champ has an N/A will make the title pass.

Can we extend this to include pointless times? Zach went N/A -> 34 so definitely passed my 0:48 but if you started from 0:47 surely it would still count?
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Seanjohn on March 22, 2021, 10:18:22 am
Quote from: Whiteted on March 22, 2021, 09:23:42 am
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If the current champ has N/As, any PR worth points on a level where the champ has an N/A will make the title pass.

Can we extend this to include pointless times? Zach went N/A -> 34 so definitely passed my 0:48 but if you started from 0:47 surely it would still count?

Currently does this even count? According to Yendis' original post to take champ you need to cause the champ to lose a point, or score points on a stage where the champ has N/A.

You have 0:48 which is worth 0 points. He did not cause you to lose a point and he did not score points on a stage that you had an N/A, so under the current rules you should still be champ.
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Whiteted on March 22, 2021, 12:03:44 pm
Well if I'm still champ then it definitely needs fixing :rollin:
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Yendis on March 22, 2021, 12:52:23 pm
yeah only times that causes point loss
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Whiteted on March 22, 2021, 01:03:05 pm
Quote from: Whiteted on March 22, 2021, 12:03:44 pm
Well if I'm still champ then it definitely needs fixing :rollin:

So you can just have all pointless times and 1 strong record and be champ forever?
Time to make an alt.. Bob Q..
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Yendis on March 22, 2021, 01:08:31 pm
Hm, didnt think of that problem as it seem very unlikely to arise. Think ill change the N/A rule to also include pointless times. will reconstruct the timeline in a bit
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Slugg Christ on April 23, 2021, 07:40:48 pm
I will resurrect this great thread and claim the position of unofficial champion with Streets SA 1:55 even though there have almost certainly been others who have bopped Ted between the last post and now.

Keep it alive, boys.
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Yendis on April 23, 2021, 07:48:51 pm
I kinda just retired it because 100 different people had different changes they wanted to make and I'm pretty busy atm. If anyone wants to take over the topic, a mod can transfer ownership of the thread.
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Slugg Christ on April 23, 2021, 10:33:22 pm
I would be happy to take over the thread for the time being if there is still interest. Think it's a great idea.

The solution I would put forward would be to tweak the rules so that rather than requiring the current champion to have lost a point, it simply must beat their PR (N/As included) on a given level with the stipulation that the run you are claiming is worth at least 1 point. This would prevent N/A players from being impossible to dethrone and also avoid being able to cheese the system by posting a Let's Play to beat the current champions N/A.
Title: Re: Unofficial World Champion Goldeneye
Post by: Whiteted on April 24, 2021, 01:37:43 am
Sounds robust to me. Start anew with yourself as the champion and we can go from there.