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Title: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 03, 2021, 05:15:28 am
Amici Miei,

We are now officially into... month 24 of the Covid-19 pandemique.  While these sorts of things are to be taken seriously, and I speak of it with only the utmost respect, I think after two years of putting up with it, now is a good time as any to have a shitpost vent thread about the topic.

This thread is not to demean anyone who has been directly affected by the SARS-CoV-2 novel coronavirus, nor is it to disrespect those who have passed away from the virus, rather it is just a vent to express disdain, bother, upset, frustration, displeasure, irritation, boredom, ennui, exasperation, ire, resentment, impatience, scorn, and dare I even say some anger, at the state of the world, now even two full years after the "discovery" of the virus.

Sometimes in order to remain CEEMI, one must expend non-CEEMI energy in non-destructive ways.  I will post an example post below, and I think you all will catch on pretty quickly at the vibe I am going for with this.  Please note that nothing in this topic is to be taken seriously, etc, etc, disclaimer etc, bla bla.

Ok here we go, and I encourage others, when feeling down, bothered, and the like, to post similarly, if venting this way will make them feel better, or at least take a little of the weight off of them every now and then...

--

FUCK COVID

STUPID FUCKING COVID

COVID SUCKS

FUCKING COVID IS STUPIC

COVID COVID GO AWAY, COME AGAIN ANOTHER DAY!!!!
(never, or when all humans have left the planet, preferably)

 :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Stupid fucking disease going on for 2 fcking years stupid degenerate piece of shit.  Fuck you Covid, fucking fucer.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: JDBlack21 on December 03, 2021, 02:44:34 pm
My friends, who is this mysterious Cov Ed???
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 03, 2021, 09:27:42 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/15iD7ph.png)

if only you knew
how bad things
really are
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: Dusky on December 03, 2021, 10:18:41 pm
I can legitimately attribute to this thread. The quarantine has helped me in a lot of ways, but in some ways it has totally fucked me over. Thanks to this stupid fucking bullshit I developed a daily anxiety I can't find the exact cause to, just came about after having a stupid amount of time to myself in my own head. The lack of social interaction has made me realize that YES I AM introverted, but I greatly value and enjoy in person social interaction still, just in limited quantities with down time to recharge. Absolutely lacking in any social interaction has done some very strange things. I am at my wits end with this fucking bullshit and just want it to be over so badly. I've had more than enough time to work on myself and I feel completely confident in returning to regular society and move up in my life.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 03, 2021, 10:21:32 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/KilHjBQ.png)

Amici miei, who exactly is Cove Ed?
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 04, 2021, 02:50:24 am
I can legitimately attribute to this thread. The quarantine has helped me in a lot of ways, but in some ways it has totally fucked me over. Thanks to this stupid fucking bullshit I developed a daily anxiety I can't find the exact cause to, just came about after having a stupid amount of time to myself in my own head. The lack of social interaction has made me realize that YES I AM introverted, but I greatly value and enjoy in person social interaction still, just in limited quantities with down time to recharge. Absolutely lacking in any social interaction has done some very strange things. I am at my wits end with this fucking bullshit and just want it to be over so badly. I've had more than enough time to work on myself and I feel completely confident in returning to regular society and move up in my life.

It's so true man, it's so absolutely true.

Like, there are obviously consequences to every action.  And that includes incentivizing/encouraging people to isolate and be less social.  Yes, I can understand why it's happening.  But the thing is, if you even *dare* to ask if it's "worth it" on a platform like social media, or the news, you're labelled an anti-vaccer, a conspiracy theorist, a concern troll, or worse.  That's why I'm thankful for forums like this, and why I think it's so important they still are used; because they exist beyond the grasp of big-tech censorship, getting banned for writing the wrong words, or saying "death" instead of "pass away."

I find the whole thing honestly disgusting.  Like again, not taking away from the bad shit that's happened from Quovidd-19, and the people who have lost their lives; RIP 🙏 ; but I do think it's absolutely a fair question to ask, if the "downsides" to separating people, encouraging "distancing" etc, could be even worse.  Like, we have literally zero idea of the effects that raising a generation of kids who only ever saw half of each other's faces, due to masks, will do to their social development.  But it's seen as "necessary" because Khovid is this grand evil, public enemy #1, who must be defeated, "no matter the cost."  But the cost might be far greater than we could ever imagine.  And I know, even voicing this opinion will have some relabel me a conspiracy theorist, etc, but I'm just getting fucking sick of it all.

There have been a number of times over the past year where I've turned down an opportunity to see an old friend, or go on a date, because I worry about bringing back the virus to my father, who is in his sixties.  I don't really worry about him bringing it back to me, but the vice versa would be really bad, and "not worth it" in my mind, to go out and see people, date, etc.  But what does this mean for my life?  Sure, one or two years is one thing, but what if it lasts... five, ten, twenty...?  It might sound ridiculous to even suggest that this thing could last twenty years, but at this point... does anyone really know?

It's just so fucking bizarre to me how Qovid is seen as the thing that we must eliminate, at the cost of ruining all other aspects of life.  Why didn't we treat heart disease the same?  Or cancer?  Or racism?  Or poverty?  Why didn't we try to eradicate those instead?  It's like, every single "effort" that has been made in society over the past two years has been in order to attempt to eliminate Qhovid.  And you can't even question it otherwise you're considered the enemy.  But bro, seriously, why haven't we tried to conquer heart disease (the number 1 killer worldwide) this hard?  Wouldn't our efforts be better spent there?  18million people die PER YEAR from heart disease.  5 million have died from Quoved in 2 years.  Why do we treat the latter with so much more importance?

The economy and inflation are absolutely fucked.  We all knew this was going to happen the day governments started printing stimulus money out of thin air.  But now we're seeing the effects.  Just yesterday, I spent $205 at the grocery store doing my usual bi-weekly load.  I used to spend $80.  We are truly and utterly fucked.  The middle class hasn't seen a fucking raise in literally 40 years; meanwhile, the world's richest people have had their wealth increase exponentially since the start of the pandemique.  Soon enough, life will become unaffordable for the middle class.  I'm sure this is at least a piece of where your anxiety comes from.  I think this inevitability is starting to worry a lot of zoomers, who are just now entering their early twenties and realizing that there is no way they can afford "life" on even what's called a "decent" salary of like $60,000.  And when life truly becomes unaffordable for the middle class... boy shit, most people can't imagine just how bad the world will get.

Meanwhile, we try to self-medicate with memes, video games, drugs, etc, and get distracted by other bullshit.  But the reality is that things are only gonna get much, much worse, before they get better.

And it's 100% okay and 100% valid to express your feelings on the topic.  Despite when others tell you you have the "wrong feelings" and whatnot.  Fuck that, and fuck them.  It's okay to be mad.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: Shadow on December 04, 2021, 09:04:52 am
I blame the media largely, although they are often driven by the demands of people to be scared and outraged.

But I agree that there has been a disproportionate focus on the immediate and not the effects. Shutting down the economy, sacrificing children's education (distance learning has to have set kids back by at least a year), cutting people off from emotional support---none of these are considered as worthy of attention at all. There has to be tradeoffs and balance, and for nearly two years the attention has been completely unbalanced.

I'm seeing that with Omicron right now. We might get more information but the ONLY information we have so far is that it seems to spread faster but there hasn't been a case I'm aware of where someone was even hospitalized. Yet we're being told that we have to prepare for the worst. So now we're not even talking deaths, it is "transmission" that deemed an unacceptable risk.

I asked repeatedly back in April 2020 what the exit plan was: i.e., when would we finally accept that this would be over? The answer from those focusing exclusively on COVID seems to be "when there are zero cases". That just isn't realistic. So what <i>realistic</i> exit plan is there? When the death rate falls below 1%? Well, with vaccinations and the antivirals from Merck and Pfizer, it truly seems like we're already well below that. At some point we have to decide "that's good enough" and move forward.

At some point the people will say "okay, enough."
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: Yendis on December 04, 2021, 09:05:25 am
Personally everything in my life has significantly improved over the last couple years. I'm very extroverted though so I do miss going out partying etc, but it's not that big a deal, in fact sometimes being able to say no to people with a valid excuse has been nice. I do however assume things will get worse in some ways over the years, so I'm living well within my means and am happy to do. My main worry is the health of my family which could get affected by this virus, but I live many hours away from any family and haven't seen my parents since summer, so it doesn't change my day to day life. 

I think the best advice I could give to anyone struggling is just to simply not watch breaking news. Spending your day deep diving into the hot new topic pretending you can understand the cutting edge research only for it to not matter in 20 days when something new comes along can't be healthy for anyone. I sympatize with the economic problems that have been expressed though, and I'm a bit worried about an increased interest rate. Electricity prices here have increased 400%+ over normal this winter, so I'm expecting a pretty cold winter as all my heating is electrical and we saw first snow in november. But I'll cozy up in front of the computer under a blanket using my discord friends as an outlet while I play Dota after I get home from work.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/923/853/dac)

irrel sidenote
Spoiler
if this topic turns into a debate about vaccines or other nonsense, im deleting this post
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: Jack Newman on December 04, 2021, 05:20:30 pm
At some point the people will say "okay, enough."

They pretty much have around here.  The university I'm attending still has a mask mandate (which I skirt as much as possible without getting in trouble), but nowhere else does.  Everyone's sick of caring and moving on.


I think the best advice I could give to anyone struggling is just to simply not watch breaking news. Spending your day deep diving into the hot new topic pretending you can understand the cutting edge research only for it to not matter in 20 days when something new comes along can't be healthy for anyone.

This, cannot advise this enough.


Rant time: I'm f***ing sick of everyone complaining that "2020 was the worst year ever".  Yes, I understand it was pretty bad for certain people, but my 2020 was actually pretty good.  As an introvert, I didn't really mind lockdown and plenty of positive things came out of it.  Also, I had a crummy 2019 (mostly because of teenage angst) and I've spent a good chunk of this year dealing with an existential crisis.  So I'm tired of hearing nothing but apocalyptic rage regarding The Year of Our Lord, Two Thousand and Twenty.

Also, "worst year ever"?  Ever hear of the Black Plague?  Think about how bad the KronaVorus would have been if we didn't have Netflix, modern medicine, and so many more things.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: Shadow on December 04, 2021, 09:42:14 pm
Honestly a pretty good year for me too: more time with the family, we went on multiple backpacking trips and more time in the wilderness in general.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 05, 2021, 10:46:37 pm
Just 15 more days to...

...slow...

the spread...

right lads.....?????

(https://i.imgur.com/d66HMvT.png)
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 06, 2021, 04:01:42 am
Follow the science!

(https://i.imgur.com/kOKk8Y7.jpeg)

No... not that science...  :smokin: :rollin: :-\ :afro: :nesquik:
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: flukey lukey on December 06, 2021, 04:28:35 pm
I can legitimately attribute to this thread. The quarantine has helped me in a lot of ways, but in some ways it has totally fucked me over. Thanks to this stupid fucking bullshit I developed a daily anxiety I can't find the exact cause to, just came about after having a stupid amount of time to myself in my own head. The lack of social interaction has made me realize that YES I AM introverted, but I greatly value and enjoy in person social interaction still, just in limited quantities with down time to recharge. Absolutely lacking in any social interaction has done some very strange things. I am at my wits end with this fucking bullshit and just want it to be over so badly. I've had more than enough time to work on myself and I feel completely confident in returning to regular society and move up in my life.

word.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: OHMSS on December 06, 2021, 07:26:37 pm
I refused to cancel a flight to Spain because of the lolmicron HOAX and new regulations. It's almost '22, so Koved'19 can suck a fat one. Plus, a few months ago our (now dethroned) prime minister publically guaranteed that the pandemic would be over for those who get the vaccine. And I take guarantees seriously.

~ Saludos desde Madrid ~
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: SGT RAGEQUIT on December 06, 2021, 07:30:59 pm
I can legitimately attribute to this thread. The quarantine has helped me in a lot of ways, but in some ways it has totally fucked me over. Thanks to this stupid fucking bullshit I developed a daily anxiety I can't find the exact cause to, just came about after having a stupid amount of time to myself in my own head. The lack of social interaction has made me realize that YES I AM introverted, but I greatly value and enjoy in person social interaction still, just in limited quantities with down time to recharge. Absolutely lacking in any social interaction has done some very strange things. I am at my wits end with this fucking bullshit and just want it to be over so badly. I've had more than enough time to work on myself and I feel completely confident in returning to regular society and move up in my life.

word.

word.

My physical health has improved so much but my mental health has deteriorated a lot;
Since no one's around I constantly overthink and circle around the anxiety attack drain.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 06, 2021, 09:20:27 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/gbtaTJH.png)
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 07, 2021, 05:07:24 am
I wonder as I ponder...

(https://i.imgur.com/ajjDzea.png)
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 08, 2021, 08:13:30 pm
Also, "worst year ever"?  Ever hear of the Black Plague?  Think about how bad the KronaVorus would have been if we didn't have Netflix, modern medicine, and so many more things.

I'm glad you brought this up.  The Black Plague (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death) killed between 75,000,000 and 200,000,000 people, at a time when the world's population was about 475,000,000.  This means that the Plague managed to kill anywhere between 17% to 40% of the global population, in a matter of roughly 4 years.

To compare, Ovidcay-19 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic) has killed 5,277,841 people at the time of writing this post.  The global population has just passed 7,900,000,000 people (https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/), according to worldometers.info.  This means that Quoovid-19 has killed roughly 0.067% of the world population, since it was first discovered, nearly two years ago. 

That's not a typo.  Two-thirds of one-tenth of a percentage, is the number of people Koahvid-19 has killed.  0.067% of the world population.  Meanwhile the global population continues to grow, barely noticing the pandemic playing out behind it.  Contrastingly, the world population did not recover from the Black Plague for roughly 200 years, until well into the 1500's.

So I agree, some perspective is needed.  It seems as though the Black Plague was anywhere from... 250x to 600x worse in terms of total deaths as a percentage of the human population.

All of this considered, heart disease (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiovascular_disease) still kills tens of millions of people per year.  Here's the excerpt from the cited Wikipedia page:

Cardiovascular diseases are the leading cause of death worldwide except Africa.[2] Together CVD resulted in 17.9 million deaths (32.1%) in 2015, up from 12.3 million (25.8%) in 1990.[4][3]

So 18 million deaths in 2015 (heart disease), compared to 5.2million deaths over two years (ovidkay-19)... it could be said that heart disease is about 7x deadlier than Qhoavid-19.

I find an incredibly thick irony to your post, implying we should sit at home, watching Netflix, hence, worsening our cardiovascular health; in exchange of "staying safe" from Ckoved-19... something that is 7x less deadly in the first place.

Alas, none of what's happening in the world is meant to make sense anyways.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 08, 2021, 08:20:38 pm
Imagine if the governments of the world spent even half the energy combatting Heart Disease as they have on Ovidcquay-19.  How many more lives would have been saved?  But they don't, because the fucking sugar lobby & fast food companies control the world.

Imagine if, instead of vaccine passports, we had "heart disease passports".  "You can't come into McDonalds to eat today unless you've done 1 hour of strenuous exercise".  This would unironically save millions of more lives than all the "Garonnavirus lockdown" measures have saved.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 09, 2021, 06:24:42 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/N2Jp2nD.png)

...at least we have stuff to watch on Netflix...

right guys...?
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 15, 2021, 09:55:03 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/vkfZ5J4.png)

I just don't understand how this is possible?  Like, even if "only" 80% of people are vaccinated, that's still way more people vaccinated then back in the day when zero people were vaxxed.  Right?  So like, how can it be possible that the case numbers today are even higher than they were when ZERO people were vaccinated?

It's pure insanity and MAKES ME VERY ANGRY  :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: OHMSS on December 16, 2021, 07:12:44 am
^ The now-dominant delta and omicron variants are much, much more transmissible than the original strain :tux: Plus, behind closed doors, most people don't give a shit about countermeasures anymore. Which is fine because it seems like omicron is not very dangerous. It'll just be a temporary burden for the health system and the coup de grĂ¢ce for a few people that were near-dead for other reasons already. We'll be fine.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: DYM on December 16, 2021, 05:23:58 pm
(https://i.gyazo.com/af3449a5bf5cece9b7b552d56b60602b.png)

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Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 17, 2021, 04:34:53 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/w8lk4Im.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Q6WCadj.png)

I 100% agree that the vaccine is safe and effective, and in fact, I think we should take more extreme measures to encourage everyone to get fully vaccinated (whether that ends up being, 3, 4, 5 or 6 shots)... for example, I think some governments should consider abolishing income tax on the vaccinated population, and increasing income tax on the unvaccinated population (I don't know why this hasn't been considered yet).

But what exactly is going on here?  Again, the vaccine is safe and effective, but could the vaccine be temporarily broken/glitched?  Why isn't it working right now?
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: DYM on December 17, 2021, 06:29:47 pm
(https://i.gyazo.com/a366c1e078a90324b170f44034ac7355.jpg)

Are Americans ever going to learn their lesson? Do they not want to follow the path of a country like South Korea that has handled COVID extremely well?
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: Shadow on December 17, 2021, 08:10:55 pm
I just don't understand how this is possible?  Like, even if "only" 80% of people are vaccinated, that's still way more people vaccinated then back in the day when zero people were vaxxed.  Right?  So like, how can it be possible that the case numbers today are even higher than they were when ZERO people were vaccinated?

Hard to know for certain but one huge variable is people's behavior. It's just hard to compare (no vaccines + cautious behavior) to (vaccines + less cautious behavior).

At least where I live, people are going about their lives essentially normal. Businesses are open, people engage and gather regularly and yet the case counts are lower than peaks when there were no vaccines. Are we able to be normal because of the vaccines + natural immunity? I don't know. But could be a worthwhile tradeoff.

The data is also still is not very clear whether vaccines prevent transmission. It's pretty clear they do an effective job of keeping people out of the hospitals and not dying but far less clear whether it prevents you from getting it at all, although it makes logical sense that it would. So if the case count is high but the deaths are low, that could be a worthwhile tradeoff too.

Anecdotally, a co-worker had 11 friends over for a game night in July. All vaccinated. Two weeks later 7 tested positive, traced back to one. All were relatively young and none had severe symptoms but it does make you wonder how much transmission the vaccines cut down on.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: Shadow on December 17, 2021, 08:22:59 pm
Purely for the sake of interest and because I enjoy trying to figure out things from data we have, I analyzed some data from the Texas State Health Department to figure out the death rates (percentage of positive tests which resulted in a death). This isn't the true death rate (to know that I'd have to know the true case rate and not every case gets tested) but it's the best figures we have. This table is my own but the underlying data comes from this report (https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx).

Death rates in the under-30 are pretty negligible, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated. But at the older age groups, the difference can be dramatic: 65-74 has almost a 9% rate of death when unvaccinated, and only 0.16% when vaccinated.

Age GroupUnvax Death %Vax Death %
18-290.100.00
30-390.390.01
40-491.100.02
50-643.100.07
65-748.860.16
75+19.460.66

I find this compelling that vaccines are at least working to keep people from dying. But like I said, it's far less clear whether (or how much) they prevent transmission. And one is free to speculate on long-term side-effects, just like one is free to speculate on long-term side-effects of COVID.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: Shadow on December 17, 2021, 08:26:57 pm
Are Americans ever going to learn their lesson? Do they not want to follow the path of a country like South Korea that has handled COVID extremely well?

A South Korean model or New Zealand model simply wouldn't work in the US, for a variety of reasons, some of it geographical and some of it cultural. For the cultural reasons, there's a tradeoff and many Americans aren't willing to make that tradeoff. I don't know that this is necessarily a good or bad thing.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 17, 2021, 09:25:45 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/v4hQYPu.png)

Why aren't we locking down the junk food companies??
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: OHMSS on December 18, 2021, 12:17:10 pm
(https://i.gyazo.com/a366c1e078a90324b170f44034ac7355.jpg)

Are Americans ever going to learn their lesson? Do they not want to follow the path of a country like South Korea that has handled COVID extremely well?

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71UA4+9QrzL.jpg)
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: Carathorn on December 19, 2021, 08:31:47 am
Once per year Cara post

Unfotunately you can't compare things like heart disease casulties to Covid as the former doens't flood or overwhelm health care systems like Covid does. Western societies are based on the principle where we don't discriminate on who we take care for, regardless of their way of living etc. It's exactly that principle governments are trying to uphold by instating so many horrible measures on our daily life. Its fucked but it is what it is. It's really pathetic how well the world is connected and borders barely exist, yet we cannot formulate (let alone execute) a decent worldwide strategy to fight the virus. To me, vaccinating 50% of the people of the world makes little to no sense, as the virus will just continue to mutate amongst those who aren't, rendering the whole strategy ineffective. Either you vaccinate the whole world at once (impossible) and you minimize the risk of mutations to a very low degree, or you keep on vaccinating/boosting a small portion of the population with temporary relieve at best.

we're at the point where people are equally frustrated regardless of their beliefs around the virus, scientific consensus etc. Even without conspiracy thinking its easy to conclude that worldwide leadership completely failed to get us out of this mess. For years we all have enjoyed the fruits of globalization in terms of economical growth etc, but the distribution of power across the globe and conflicting interests render each current strategy ineffective.

Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 19, 2021, 04:15:41 pm
To me, vaccinating 50% of the people of the world makes little to no sense, as the virus will just continue to mutate amongst those who aren't

This is not true.  The virus has no need to mutate among the unvaccinated population.  It can stay the same and transfer from one person to the next.  It only needs to mutate when it hits a vaccinated person, and thus needs to "change/mutate" in order to bypass the vaccine and infect them too.  It's the vaccinated people who are causing the mutations, this is very obvious with even 1 second of thought about it.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: djeez on December 19, 2021, 05:15:01 pm
To me, vaccinating 50% of the people of the world makes little to no sense, as the virus will just continue to mutate amongst those who aren't

This is not true.  The virus has no need to mutate among the unvaccinated population.  It can stay the same and transfer from one person to the next.  It only needs to mutate when it hits a vaccinated person, and thus needs to "change/mutate" in order to bypass the vaccine and infect them too.  It's the vaccinated people who are causing the mutations, this is very obvious with even 1 second of thought about it.

Reading this post makes it easy to understand how you became a hub for conspiracy theories and ended up in the hot water you were in. ''Obvious with even 1 second of thought''. No one cares what you think of it. The virus isn't sentient, and does not think ''gosh, I hit a wall, better mutate to get around it''. Mutations are replication errors that happen randomly. Most of the time, they suck and the mutated organisms are useless. Other times, the mutations are negligible and change nothing. And then sometimes, they happen to be beneficial and the mutated organism will become dominant through natural selection. That is called evolution. None of this is new.

This thread is starting to have your bad faith shine through again. What happened to CEEMI?
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 19, 2021, 08:08:32 pm
CEEMI is and has always been about people, not viruses.  Celebrate and empathize with people, not viruses.  I don't think there has been any disrespect or name calling in this thread, which is very CEEMI, especially considering the topic.

But I will say this.  I had a bunch of bullshit written up that I was gonna post, referencing Bextra, the Tuskegee Experiments, shit like that.  But then after thinking about your post for a couple of seconds, I decided that perhaps you do have a point and you are probably correct.  I suppose that's always been my problem.  I'm too willing to go along with something that sounds convincing after a couple of seconds.  It kind of sucks that some people will always assume that I "believe" the most strange & unusual, when in reality my beliefs change as quickly as a breeze in the wind.  Bouncing back and forth, knocking around, trying to figure out what's right and wrong in our complicated world.  But I have no one to blame for that but myself.  Whenever I'm presented with something that sounds convincing at a glance, I'll entertain that; and when I'm presented with something that opposes it, I'll entertain that as well.  I don't know why I am the way that I am, but it's true.  It's obviously been extremely detrimental to my life, but I just am that way.  I don't know why.  I wish I could truly change and stand by only the "right" things.  But I can't.  It's too tempting to go along with something controversial, silly, strange, unusual or stupid, just for "fun".  Perhaps that pull has always been the devil, tempting me with the "fun" of spewing some bullshit.  Perhaps I need to become stronger at resisting that temptation.  Perhaps I need salvation.  Perhaps we all do.

I never really understood what "bad faith" meant.  It just sounds like some neologistic buzz-word to use in fancy arguments.  At the end of the day, I'm just posting random stuff to cope and vent.  That was the intention of this thread.  Tbh that's always been my intention online, no matter how it got distorted over time.  Isn't that why we're all online in the first place?  To cope and escape things we're not happy about in real life?  At least, it was that way until the grand normiefication of the internet.  We used to have an internet where you could shitpost online to escape your woes, vent, cope, and everyone else was just doing the same.  And it was all forgotten and left into the void at the end of the day.  But not anymore.  And that's sad.  But I guess it's just the way it is, and I have to learn to adapt and so on and so forth (something I've always been slow to do).

By the way, who are you? I don't mean this condescendingly.  Your post obviously "reached" me in a way I was not expecting.  And perhaps complete anonymity aided that result.  But do you have a timespage?  A username in Twitch chat?  Just because your words have reached me with a lot of weight, which I would like to assign to... someone at least tangible in some way.  Even if it's just a consistent username around our worlds.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: Shadow on December 19, 2021, 08:33:04 pm
My understanding (as a fairly competent and scientifically-minded engineer but certainly no biologist) is that viruses mutate somewhat randomly. Sort of like cancer: the more replications you have, the more chances for mutation.

Time isn't a factor so much as the number of replications that occur.

The more people get infected, the more chances for replication, and thus the more chances for mutation. That said, a mutation which gets past a body's immune system (vaccinated or natural immunity) is going to continue replicate more, which is why we see new variants increase dramatically.

Once again, the data is not clear at all on how much vaccinations actually reduce transmission, but they do seem to significantly reduce replication within a given person, thus logically reducing opportunities for mutation.

But I'm with Cara. We (collectively) have a tendency to put all our eggs in one basket, to see for that one silver bullet.

Here in the States leadership first said that if we all just stayed home for two weeks, it would all be over. But that's not feasible: modern infrastructure requires some people to work.

So after that leadership just said that if just 60% of people wore masks, it would all be over in a month. The problem with that is that nobody wears masks in their own homes, where most of the transmission happens.

So after that we have now put all our eggs in the vaccination basket: if we could just get x% vaccinated, it would all be over. And while I agree that the data shows the vaccines are good at protection, the problem is that they are also imperfect, they are "leaky" (not everyone is protected), it's still not clear how much transmission they reduce, protection wanes over time, not everybody takes them, and we couldn't even get the entire world vaccinated in time before another variant arises. It's a huge logistics problem and one that I'm not sure we'll ever overcome.

So rather than continue to put all our eggs in one basket, I think our best bet is a spread-out approach: vaccine protection seems good for those who want it. The antiviral pills from Pfizer and Merck are very promising, so use those for those who do get it. Research more treatment alternatives like the monoclonal antibodies and Regeneron. Or, with a little luck Omicron will sweep through and impart enough immunity that future variants will be more like the flu or common cold.

But yes, it's frustrating to see the constant blaming of everybody else and the stubbornness on all sides. It's no way to live one's life.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: Irie on December 19, 2021, 08:43:12 pm
DJeez is an up and coming GE runner. His first time worth points was Fac 46 a couple years ago, scored 45 recently and a bunch of other nice times. He runs other games too but always kills it at GE when he turns it on.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: Yendis on December 19, 2021, 08:45:58 pm
By the way, who are you? I don't mean this condescendingly.  Your post obviously "reached" me in a way I was not expecting.  And perhaps complete anonymity aided that result.  But do you have a timespage?  A username in Twitch chat?  Just because your words have reached me with a lot of weight, which I would like to assign to... someone at least tangible in some way.  Even if it's just a consistent username around our worlds.

https://rankings.the-elite.net/~Vincent+B

I was thinking about writing something similar to Djeez as your post initially disappointed me. Worth noting, Delta evolved in India when it had basically no vaccine coverage and Omicron in South Africa which are also behind the western world.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: djeez on December 19, 2021, 09:00:15 pm
By the way, who are you? I don't mean this condescendingly.  Your post obviously "reached" me in a way I was not expecting.  And perhaps complete anonymity aided that result.  But do you have a timespage?  A username in Twitch chat?  Just because your words have reached me with a lot of weight, which I would like to assign to... someone at least tangible in some way.  Even if it's just a consistent username around our worlds.

Just a speedrunner that's been actively running for 8 years now. I don't play GE much, but I've been keeping a close eye since your 2014 GDQ run with Alex. I also used to read S&T, for entertainment value, so I guess I've seen your rise and fall into redemption with pretty good seats, and reading that vaccine post just made me frustrated that you might slip again. At the same time, I guess I understand how frustrating the world is right now, and it is increasingly difficult to not get angry and irrational, as we face another potential lockdown.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 19, 2021, 10:27:38 pm
Just a speedrunner that's been actively running for 8 years now. I don't play GE much, but I've been keeping a close eye since your 2014 GDQ run with Alex. I also used to read S&T, for entertainment value, so I guess I've seen your rise and fall into redemption with pretty good seats, and reading that vaccine post just made me frustrated that you might slip again. At the same time, I guess I understand how frustrating the world is right now, and it is increasingly difficult to not get angry and irrational, as we face another potential lockdown.

It's all true.  It can be hard not to "slip" back down into the strange & unusual, just as it is hard for an addict or alcoholic not to "slip" back into their old ways.  A lot of people think that when someone has put something like that behind them, it's dead and gone.  But every day is still a battle.  The desire to shitpost is always there, in the same way it is for a recovered alcoholic to drink.  Sometimes it sits way back and you barely even forget its there.  But other days you really have to fight to keep it in check.

And admittedly, as you say, the world is insanely frustrating, silly and stupid right now.  It's like... I began really trying to focus and think more skeptically about the world around me, instead of just going along with any old bullshit.  But it just so happens that when I move away from my more "conspiratorial" ideas, the world becomes the most conspiratorial place it's ever been in our lifetimes. There are so many things that are so fucking silly/worthy of parody/shitpost nowadays... (like wearing a mask while walking through a restaurant, and then not at your table for an hour, while eating and breathing all over the place, for example).  It would be like an alcoholic giving up alcohol, and then 1 year later prohibition ends.

Alas, I know the lot of you lads around here "understand" that all to some effect, which is why I'm comfortable lightly shitposting/coping in a thread like this, rather than doing the same somewhere else like Reddit or Twitter, where people will always assume the worst and use whatever you say against you.  So I appreciate it, that I can be relatively open and chat about it, even if it does toe into the nonsensical & shitpostery every now and then.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: OHMSS on December 20, 2021, 03:10:12 am
The virus isn't sentient, and does not think ''gosh, I hit a wall, better mutate to get around it''. Mutations are replication errors that happen randomly. Most of the time, they suck and the mutated organisms are useless. Other times, the mutations are negligible and change nothing. And then sometimes, they happen to be beneficial and the mutated organism will become dominant through natural selection. That is called evolution. None of this is new.

Well put mate!
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: vitorr on December 20, 2021, 12:34:07 pm
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There are so many things that are so fucking silly/worthy of parody/shitpost nowadays... (like wearing a mask while walking through a restaurant, and then not at your table for an hour, while eating and breathing all over the place, for example).

I'd recommend you to stop thinking about these sorts of bullshit, like you're trying to find an explanation for everything bad that happens or trying to find breaches on whatever regulation that is being enforced. Nothing is perfect. And stay away from conspiracy theories or even facts that could lead you to think of so many "what if" situations. Our world is already fucked up in so many ways - nothing new here - and we all have been through harsh times recently. All we need now is vaccine for as many people as possible and calm down a little bit. Science is on our side, we'll be fine.

Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: SGT RAGEQUIT on December 20, 2021, 03:31:42 pm
Goose, every time you post, I imagine you with a thesaurus and a hard word count in mind.
It's the tendency toward grandeur I think that makes it really hard for me to take it in without rolling my eyes.
It's like you took the strategy most people use for naming their clickbait YT videos and apply it everywhere.

Not trying to be a dick, it's just something i've noticed over the years.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 20, 2021, 05:00:57 pm
It's a true and fair assessment, and I always appreciate honest assessments.  It's just the way I communicate online.  I've had a couple posts written out in here now, very melodramatic posts about my life, etc, very 2008-era Goose posts, but I ended up just "leaving them in drafts", so to speak.  Yendis claiming that I "disappointed" him kind of got to me, because like, yeah, I'm not going to be perfect 100% of the time.  No one can be.  So that kind of spurred on me writing like 10 paragraphs of melodramatic... whateverposting.  But perhaps I'll save that for another day.

Honestly, there are so many thoughts & stories rattling around my mind, I really feel like I do want to just settle in a remote cabin for a year or two, and work on writing a memoir.  About my time on the internet.  Something like, "the internet, love, hate, and all that comes in between".  Idk it would probably end up being over 100 pages of my style of writing, and perhaps no one would care or read it.  And perhaps it would be a disaster.  But it is something that I've wanted to do for a while now.  Everyone has their own interpretation of my story, like djeez who had "good seats" to view it all.  But there are bits and pieces that get distorted, twisted around, or left out.  I just want to set the record straight on everything.  Though, writing down the story of your life, if even a part of it, is a daunting challenge, to be sure.

Also, I don't *usually* use a thesaurus these days, since I've used them often in the past.  Honestly I would say I go to the thesaurus about 2-3% of the time while writing, maybe even less often.
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on December 28, 2021, 03:58:37 am
People in 1996's Jingle All The Way be like...

(https://i.imgur.com/gvM4Pdf.png)

Oh how times have changed!  :nesquik:

(https://i.imgur.com/LFuUrQR.jpg)
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: RWG on January 01, 2022, 12:41:26 am
(https://i.imgur.com/8umGlKI.png)

2019, 2020, 2021, 2022...

Happy 4th year of the COVID pandemic everyone!!!!  :nesquik: :pimp: :pimp: :pimp: :rollin:
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: OHMSS on January 01, 2022, 06:36:34 am
4th year, talks of 4th vaccine, and still we got a fresh new and bombastic all-time high of 1.9 million cases / day globally. Yet no medical hardships are observable in my personal sphere. Basically the entire UK is infected but the casualties are minimal. An invisible enemy that becomes increasingly hard to take seriously. What a joke!
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: DYM on January 01, 2022, 12:53:59 pm
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What the HECK????????

4th year, talks of 4th vaccine, and still we got a fresh new and bombastic all-time high of 1.9 million cases / day globally. Yet no medical hardships are observable in my personal sphere. Basically the entire UK is infected but the casualties are minimal. An invisible enemy that becomes increasingly hard to take seriously. What a joke!
Careful mate, the 'cron is not going to like you for saying this! :devil:
Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: DYM on January 01, 2022, 12:55:50 pm
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Title: Re: Koved Nineteen Shitpost, Cope & Vent Thread
Post by: DYM on January 03, 2022, 05:06:48 pm
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