The Elite Forum
The Big Three Plus One => Perfect Dark => Topic started by: SimThreat on June 19, 2002, 04:34:00 am
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0:15 chicago agent
0:27 chicago sa
0:28 chicago pa (not entirely maxed as 27 is possible but I doubt anyone will get it...)
1:39 maian agent
Hopefully I will be getting an ntsc cart in the next few months, so I will fool around and see if these times can be achieved....
0:53 CI agent
0:50 extraction agent
Also there are some things being done at the moment so maybe these times will be achievable before the next year.....
1:00 villa agent
1:10 villa sa
1:11 infiltration agent
1:05 Air base agent
1:35 Air base secret agent
1:30 pellegic 2 sa
1:45 pellegic 2 pa
Also there are some other strats being worked out and stuff. There could be at least a minute taken off the current elite time with no new major strats or glitches.....
-K..
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1:00 Villa A?
1:05 Air Base A?
*whistles*
Good luck.
Then again, for an Australia, it should be cake-style.
Only if your Karl
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Hum CI A 53 has been done , be sure of that.
Same for Extraction A
Now how the hell can you lower Air Base and Villa THAT low ?
I mean you have to be realist , looking at your Villa A movie , maybe 1 , 2 even 3 secs could fall , but 11 ?
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Anyone saying "pellegic" can't be taken seriously.
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Bravo mallow, your wit amazes me.
-K..
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but u must be kinding....Air Base A is almost maxed at 1:17....maybe 1:16 is possible...but very unlikely. How in hell could u do 1:05????
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Yeah where are these 12 seconds on villa coming from too?
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why don't all of you (except Karl) think for a second. What could we possibly be doing to achieve those times? think about it for like three minutes. It'll come to ya.
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Cheating!
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or skipping the lifts. But like, there is no way to do that. And for P2 SA-PA u must have thought of a new strat cuz I dont see coming sub 2mins on PA. Aswell as the 1:11 Infiltration A, maybe Im doing something wrong but I doubt that time is possible with the actual path and the actual lifts.
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Yeah, and he said no major strat changes.
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It's co-op mode. They're talking about co-op mode. All those times would be cake, just think about it for a sec. And Disco said "we" after all.
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::hits head:: Of course! Why didn't I see this earlier?
Although I don't know about some of those, I think most are possible.
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Well air bas agent would still be impossible for a 1:05 because only one person can get the suit and stuff.
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Co-op wouldn't help on Air Base Agent. Whenever the second player goes by the woman she still sounds the alarm, even if the first player has already completed objective 1. You have to complete objective 2 before second player can go through that door, and then he is of no use.
EDIT: Grrrr.... you stole my post!!!
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my how mysterious.
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Villa: Ummm... maybe a different route to take?? I really don't have a clue.
Air Base: There's not a new time for PA, so maybe it's a way to have the elevator open for you so you wouldn't have to use the camspy... or blow up the lasers like in Infiltration.
Pelagic: Well since he didn't say a new time for Agent, it must be a way to avoid going to Elvis or something that has to do with activating the moon pool switch.
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Karl told me it was magic warping so that must be it!!1!!!1
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When did I say there were no new glitches or major strats involved? I said at least a minute could be taken off the elite's time without any major new strats or glitches. Read my post again. I said some things are being done at the moment.
-K..
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I don't know but if there is some sort of breakthrough out again like there was on Defection, this could be good. I don't really see how 1:00 on Villa could work out without some major major strat changes, but then again with him having 1:11, Karl would be the one to do it...Maybe the elite will once again get a little more interesting around here...
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Maybe we'll get it...
...and I'll be left in the dust, once again.
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But I'll figure something out to get rid of my horrendous 1:30, although I'm trying to find a video, but I haven't found any that work.
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I can't do quotes....
Quote : Also there are some other strats being worked out and stuff.
Quote: There could be at least a minute taken off the current elite time with no new major strats or glitches.....
When he said this he didn't necissarily mean it as the same thing. Ie: Strats that would cut more than 1 min off are 'being created' now or something, and even without them 1min can be cut off...... perhaps
He also said 'they stuff is being done so these times may be possible'.
He may just mean that he has 'ideas' on stuff that may cut off that time. Such as jumping out of that place where u start in villa to get right down near the buliding?
, Actually I stole that one from QB.
But that would be very unlike Karl to just 'assume' or 'think'.
- Paddy
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villa, air base and pelagic all have the logical strat behind them. unfortunately the "strat" is known but how to use it is a mystery. i can't believe you don't get it. i mean i asked karl but that was to see if he knew exactly what to do.
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Well Karl was cool enough to send me an insane movie on Infiltration...Remember that he wants 1:11....Looking at that vid , maybe he can do it...And frankly Karl , if you use the same thing on Villa , Air Base , and Pelagic (which I can perfectly imagine) , then that will be BIG....But Oh God...
*can't wait*
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Well, what's is it then?
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Yeah what the @#%$ are you talking about
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Um... I know. Falling through the floor on certain levels to save time. Falling from the top area of Pelagic to Elvis was hard...
Villa, you need to fall into the generator room, missing out most of the upstairs strafing areas. The easiest to do by far is Infiltration, where Carnski mentioned falling out of the guard tower near the start. All you need to do now is figure out a huge benefit. BTW: The new PAL max for Infiltration Agent is 1:13. I have a 1:15.70 decimal, where I know for a fact that I lost .4, just from when the lift closed to the end. The best PAL finish I've ever done from the elevator shutting was 14.4 seconds, and also, if you fall out of the guard tower, it can save as much as 1.5 seconds.
Basically:
1:15.70 - 1.90 = 1:13.80, and since NTSC have around 3.0 seconds on us, 1:10 could very well be possible. Get to it Disco, chump!
Phil
Phil
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Lol, I had a dream once that I somehow got down to the generator room by using a secret passage
By doing that I got like 0:59.
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Falling through floors and stuff? Dang...missing out on videos and not being able to access boards until August 2001 has certainly left me in the dark on stuff.
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You know you're playing too much PD when you dream about it...
Anyway, whoah, deja vu (http://www.geocities.com/samdhughes/pdge/shortcut.html)...
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Phil... are you pissing us around with that hint at you falling to Elvis or what.... (don't tell ANYBODY until I know how you do it)...
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Hmmmmmm... Interesting
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That was odd.
Also, I think one of 2 things happened with the rankings:
1) Either some times were achieved, or
2) The update program screwed up again.
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Lol SamSim and his advertising his own ego
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It's just that Phil's remark sounds suspiciously familiar, that's all.
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karl forgot to mention like 45 or better on war sa i thinks....
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phil. ntsc has 2.1 seconds on ME... and seeing as i've seen you go through the last door in infiltration fast style... they prob have about 1.9 - 2.0 on you.
3? pff.
"falling to elvis in p2 was hard"
don't be gay/like that phil!
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This is it.This is the only explanation : glitching through the floor.
*is getting excited*
I guess that we now must find the exact spot to perform that...
And also to manage it coz I have no fuckin idea of how to glitch through the floor....
It is very possible I guess...But I can't get where to do that on Air Base...maybe by going where the safe is on PA and then glitch from here ?
...And couldn't it help on SOS too ? maybe AF1 ? why not IC ?
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Phil is right though. Glitching to Elvis WAS hard... I'm saying no more...
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Phil and Paul are right, it really was tough glitching to Elvis...
Ok, no, whatever...
Since somebody mentioned WAR SA, you know that usually locked door that leads to the bridge which overhangs the first king? Has anybody else had that opened for them without killing the first king? It happened to me a few times but only on runs where I had missed the king and sprinted back to the door, checking tt's. It probably wouldn't happen otherwise, but I figure I'd mention it in case anybody has any ideas.
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I have that happened countless times.
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For that Wars SA comment...it works for PA as well. But its triggered when you get to the first king. The skedar above open it for you. It will never open if you don't go to the king and shoot at him. I've had it done many times too, then you just kill the king from above cause his head sticks through the path. Easy enough.
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Well isn't this some @#%$ horse @#%$? It's all @#%$ up...
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Just the skedar that appear on the bridge have to be there. Then the dorr will be open.
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Expert, you do not have to go all the way to the king, trust me i been testing this...
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Looks like Australia is making secret experiments...
I hate that but what can I do ?
For War , you need to see the bridge and that's all.
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Im not doing anything.
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Well, find the spot on SA/PA that triggers the top door opening, and save yourself a second or two running all the way to the first King and back by shooting his head (it pokes up through the walkway) from the top.
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In my opinion this is all bullcrap. There is no glitch and everyone is just teasing us. I will believe it when i see it. If so much glitching is requirede in getting good times, than that will just ruin the game... It ruined defection, and it will ruin many other levels by the sound of it too...
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Yeah, glitch = gayness thing ever
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I like the glitch in defection. It gets me more points.
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agreed.Yet on defection it's a "good" glitch , coz it allows a bunch of strats...
But on Villa etc...
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Yeah because with the defection glitch there are only some many people who can pull it off on SA and PA. If there is only one glitch for villa ect... then every one will learn it.
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All I can say is LOL, this really seems like bullshit, since my computer broke (motherboard fried) this week, and I haven't read anything until now.
And I agree, if there are more glitches, this is gonna be really umm... sadening, because of all the effort people put into the game to get good times.
If it's some new strats, then good job.
Oh well, I'm going on AIM to try to learn more..
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actually...I just saw a glitch in Infil...its pretty funny but I still dont know if we can use it for fast time... But falling trought floors is indeed fun
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I can assure you that this is not bullshit. Infiltration is the most basic glitch ever.
Phil
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yeah? well then, maybe I can help..
catch me on aim, or email me (sxr_20@hotmail.com)
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Don't forget people that the idea of the Elite is to get the fastest time on each level without the use of a gameshark/action replay. That means that as long as a glitch is in the game and it allows for better times we use it... In the words of the N64 magazine team "while it's not strictly cricket it's still properly in the game". I agree with it spoiling all the hard work we've already put into the level but what the hell. I want to get to the 1:40:00 mark before christmas... *eyes Phil and his whoarded times suspicously*. Don't worry. If Phil does have whoarded times I'll tell you all if they break the 1:40:00 mark but I won't tell you what they are...
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1:30 pellegic 2 sa ?
1:45 pellegic 2 pa ?
I don't see that happening...has someone discovered something that I don't know about?
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anything is possible at this point...look at what the gregs did to aztec in 007......
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Yeah but that was using a trick we couldnt get to work, until some new guy showed us up. I think all these times are just talk.
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yea uhh soo...sorry for bringing up an old topic, but i couldnt resist when i found this one. i was just curious about this stuff..."falling through the floor" uhh, seems odd, but who knows...i was wondering if karl would answer to this, i mean, he is the one who claimed these would be possible. anyone. i looked at the dates, and its not around april, so i dont think this is an april fools joke...and all questions were left unanswered...well come on someone talk
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Yeah, are these strats still being made (glitches being worked out)?
Anyway, if it's for real or not, wouldn't max for Maian A be 1:38?
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the max would be like... 1:36 or so I'd think
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How come?
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yea uhh, i did some work last night, and i remembered about when someone said they fell through the second hole in the wall, the one that is closed...i couldnt remember how, they like, went backwards or something....this would save a hell of a lot of time, and wouldnt really need to worry about lifts, since you skip the first, and the second, you would make it nice on NTSC.
and i did some Infiltration investigating (almost 2 levels
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anyways, i read about the sniper tower...i explored that whole damn thing. I couldnt find a glitch....and i dont think its there, because if you fall down, you would have to go a hell of a way out to get in to the building, you would have to go all the to the lifts...i was able to even jump off the ladder and get on to the side of the building, and walk all the way around, searching for defection-like walls, and found none..unless its some way like hold a grenade up and throw it so it blows up just above your head and pushes you through the ground...something gay like that...but i couldnt find anything. if i remember correctly, someone said it was "a basic glitch..." I am beginning to think this was just a joke.
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Wouter, my guess might be a bit off, but I'm thinking if someone catches the lift on NTSC, which I think will be done, because apparently some people have seen the lift close or something like that, if that could be caught, like mass time savage there
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i tried SOS A trying to catch the first lift.. and on almost-perfect runs i got there 2s after the lift was closed.. so ya, using the current strat, with no extra tricks.. no way.
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well couldnt you like in theory huck a dragon into the door to prevent it from closing or something? If you can see the lift close..........
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If you did that you would be killed....
I tried a while ago and established that it was possible. You need a slow 2nd lift though, along with a pretty good run.
-Karl
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yea, throw the dragon, then go to the end of the lift, open it, shoot the dragon, run and shut it. i think its faster than the normal way? who knows. but having that kind of luck to make that lift AND get the dragon in the right spot...yea, right.
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if you can glitch through the floor, how about CI? I mean, on A, you can get up, open doors, shoot guards, glitch down, and run to the room...on SA, you can pretty much do the same, and on PA, you can too. on PA, you can run to the top of the black room, and glitch right into it, and never have to worry about the lift being gay...add that, with shooting the glass near the ramp with the devastator so you can drop right down, and i can see maybe 1:48 or less...ohh well, if only i had a little clue as to how you glitch through the floor...