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The Big Three Plus One => Perfect Dark => Topic started by: vitor on November 30, 2002, 10:09:00 pm
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wtf.. 0:26..
man i dunno about everyone else here, buf if u start gettin some crazy wr's usin tricks like looking down, i'll leave this whole @#%$
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looks like there will never be an update in which karl has 2100 agent points..
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Looks like Karl will have to work that little bit harder if he is to hold all records on agent....
Phil
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looks like bosshardt will do with pd what he did with ge.. @#%$
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i bet karl is pissed...
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Damn. Bosshardt is good. He started out behind me and has already shot way up close to the top with a new untied WR too... Maybe his trick will help me get WAR A :27 easier. I'd have to try it.
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LeManchot, when Karl got CS SA 1:33:
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I hope an oversized bear takes your virginity while you sleep and you wake up in extreme pain.
i'd say the same for bosshardt
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lol, i remember that post!
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i remember that post as well, lol. I would have to say congrats to Bryan and also add that he is a sexy bitch.
-Adam
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Uhh I dunno about anyone else, but I think its time to set the 1 month proof period for bosshardt on that war 26. Cause its really hard for me to believe, although it must be true...
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Actually, KillerSim, I think anyone could zip past you in 10 minutes work, but that's not the point. And how can you guys be surprised at this? Haven't you noticed that GE players dominate?
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OMGWTFLOLROFL!?!?
War :27 Agent? This like, re-aligns my perceptions of up/down, right/wrong. I'd like to say sorry to all the chumps that lost their WR. Wait...@#%$.
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I agree totally with what renemesis said. He also is a sexy bitch.
-Adam
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is that y u, renemisis, are ranked 106th with 694 points?
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*drool comes out of mouth* That is why, I, Mr. David, have only played this game for like 2 minutes...you'll also notice that you are gay.
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no wonder so many ppl hate u
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Hes right. You talk alot of sh!t for some little bitch who sucks a$$ at this game.
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*slaps forehead*
People that hate me-
Dark0Perfection
*sniff* I feel so neglected.
But yeah, I got like 400 of those points the other afternoon, I was bored. I don't have time for games like you do. What? You have times for games and you're ranked below me? Now look who sucks ass. God, some n00bs are retarted.
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I don't hate you renemesis. I just think you're gay. I have played the game 2 different days in the past 2 weeks (both recent). Yeah. It shouldn't be too hard to pass me, but I could own you any day. I understand that you hate newbies, but what the hell? I honestly barely ever play. If I played at least 2 hours a day, then I would be much much higher in rank. You must think I play 24 hours a day to get my pathetic little times. lol... what a joke. This game is much too boring for that.
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come on guys, dont ruin the bosshardt arse lick topic
-Adam
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*licks Bosshardt's ass*
Killer Sim:
1. Don't steal my lines.
2. I don't hate newbies, I hate annoying newbies, and any annoying person at that.
3. I'm pretty sure you couldn't own me.
4. Pathetic is right, you should stay on gamefaqs. No, I'm not refering to your times. I am implying that you are a pathetic little boy.
Anyways, back to work on Bryan. *slurp*
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What line did I steal? And I'm not the annoying little boy. What are you. 15? You are fu.cking immature, and arrogant. I'll tell you what. Pass me. Play for 10 minutes and pass me, then I'll play some more. Shut the fu.ck up until you actually do something worthwhile. All you ever do is post all over the damn place.
Anyway, :26 is damn fast. I thought I'd just state the obvious...
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"I don't hate you, I just think you're gay" -very stolen indeed.
Anyways, you win, you are so cool and know everything. I wish I was as cool as you. You are always right and stuff.
And 0:26 is damn slow, I can't belive Bosshardt sucks so much
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Rank: 1
Level: WAR! - A
Time: 0:27
WR Setter: MODnike
Date Set: 22nd August 2000
Days as WR: 828
Beatable?: Never
And there went the longest-standing PD record of all time.
Here are the people who lost their War record today, in rank order.
Sim Threat: #1
Discombobulator: #2
ParagonX9: #3
Dark Avenger: #4
Greg K.: #5
ExpertGamer: #6
DMan: #7
Carnski: #8
Sucram: #9
Dark Master: #11
ChodhE: #12
Keefer: #13
Slayer: #23
ShadowZero: #26
Bizichyld: #27
SnapDragon: #28
Wouter Jansen: #37
MODnike18: #45
Quiet Bol: #51
SamSim: #64
Here's where it all began: pub20.ezboard.com/fperfec...=118.topic (http://pub20.ezboard.com/fperfectdarkelitefrm15.showMessage?topicID=118.topic)
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i still think 26 is possible, but with like a 1 in a million chance..
- MODnike18, 10/9/00, pub20.ezboard.com/fperfec...=467.topic (http://pub20.ezboard.com/fperfectdarkelitefrm5.showMessage?topicID=467.topic)
Here's to you, Mod. Here's to you.
*goes off to drown his sorrows*
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i want to have sex with bosshardt. I bet he's sexy. I just know it. maybe as sexy as clark.
*cough*
GOOD JOB Bryan!
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Heheh, as I posted before, "there's a dimension where ParagonX9 achieves a 0:26 WAR! Agent." This time it wasn't Paragon, though, but the idea stays the same. We have now reached that kind of a dimension, so there you go, Snap
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alright... I am @#%$ amazed..... holy @#%$
anyways, on the topic of line stealing...
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Anyways, you win, you are so cool and know everything. I wish I was as cool as you. You are always right and stuff.
heh renem, that sounds very.. karlish
anyways, it's not like karl isn't just gonna like play the game for like... 26 seconds and get the wr back.
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I was gonna mention earlier, "I bet Sam will be pissed." So, my condolences to you, Sam. I know 0:27 was your pride and joy. Oh well, at least you're still a mathematical genius.
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And don't forget all the other great things you've done for the elite! Not counting Fast Times, I reckon you've done the most...
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Yeah, I also forgot to give my condolences to Sam. My heart goes out to you. Sob...
Yeah, and I forgot to kiss Bosshardt's ass, so, OMFGWFT you are so @#%$ bomb ass the @#%$ you own.
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????WTF???0:26?????How it's possible!!!!
hum...good job bryan
I guess 0:26 is now the hardest WR
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My guess is, you just need very good strafing skills. Most people that got 0:27 back in like 2001 would have much better strafing now than they did then. I'm not saying this record isn't insane, of course.
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Well done bryan on the new WR!
If you wanna know how @#%$ i am at the game i find it hard to get past 0:30 on War A, my aiming is atrocious!
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SamSim:
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It's not funny. Everything in GE should have been discovered by now. This isn't fair. Get over to PD and tell me how to get 0:26 War A, huh?
Here's the topic: pub20.ezboard.com/fperfec...1885.topic (http://pub20.ezboard.com/fperfectdarkelitefrm11.showMessage?topicID=1885.topic)
Hey, Bryan, Sam was joking.
"Beatable?: Never"
Great job, Bryan. And my condolences to you, Sam.
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Great Job Bryan!
You know, when i start playing this game again (will I?), I will tie it, deal?
And sorry to Sam, but you forgot to add me to that list..
ps, I said in GRegK's "booyah" topic that all the WRs he got will be beaten anyway, and he also got WAR! 0:27, it starts good, only the escape stuff left to be beaten, and I will be right:d
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Thanks guys, I knew once I got 0:27 that it was possible with a ton of those phoenix boosts not to mention near-perfect strafing. I'm pretty sure Karl will get this within the next week though. He's probably trying for it now.
BTW, I got a failed 0:15 Chicago A without throwing the mine so I might try for that one next.
<Bryan>
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good job bryan, another remarkable feat, your back must be sore from all the patting [or your ass from the licking, as some in this forum would say].
this time will obviously require proof, hands down. of course i won't set a banning deadline for you, seeing as you've proven your integrity more than enough over in GE... i mean everyone believes this time, but for the elite's sake proof is needed. but i will just say that proof is absolutely necessary and get some in as soon as possible.
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Yeah, I'm hoping to get a VCR by the end of the year, but maybe I'll unhook the other one during Christmas break and get the time if it has to come down to that. It was a bad post indeed; mainly because the @#%$ board didn't send the thing through the first time and I ended up having to write it all again making silly mistakes/typos.
<Bryan>
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Although I have the utmost respect for Bryan and what he has done with GE, I'm afraid I won't believe this one until I see the full run, in maximum quality. I'll buy you a VCR for Christmas to see you accomplish this one again. :-p
But that's just to satisfy my curiosity. Congratulations!!!
-- Breck Fresen
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Bryan is sexy, and good, gj dude
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Irony.
Yesterday I was playing WAR SA and realized if I went back to A, I could probably rack up :27's now without much of a problem. I figured if I cut out the strafeswitching at the end and did it blindly, I could see a :26 but maybe it would be easier if I got some help...I started asking everybody online if they had Bosshardt's AIM. I wanted to ask him about the Phoenix boosting. I had tried it before but not with much success. So then I go to the forums...Greg K has just made a post with Bosshardt's name in the title, "Yay, I have somewhere to ask him now without having to make a post about it"...I open the post...Bosshardt has beat me to my time. @#%$.
Enemies for life. From the tt's it didn't look like the boosting did much. I'm getting :26 without it. Maybe.
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wtf do u mean with "enemies for life"? and wtf did u mean with the entire msg? i dont get it. do u mean that 0:26 was more skill than boosting?
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@#%$ you greg k, go @#%$ some hairy bitch down the street or somethin
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Arent they all hairy bitches in brazil anyway?
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nightcom, ur dumb..
hairy?
i dont think so
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lol
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I was just kidding when I said we were enemies for life, but I was kind of pissed last night about it anyway.
Umm, for tt's he said 13 as you pass the bridge and 19.70 passing through the door. That sounds pretty average for me. I want to see what the boosting looks like in his vid; it should be interesting, but I don't know if that's really what got him the record. Maybe he's just that good.
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hum.. 13 on the bridge is average, but 19.7 at the door is very good. after some thinking, i realized that boosts really didnt help him. it must be that "strafing into the wall" trick (which i dont have any fuckin idea of how it works), that only the big bossman uses. maybe the boosts gave him a 0.2 help or so..
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No way in hell is 0:26 possible without phoenix boosting and/or lookdown. This much I would stake my life on.
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Well i still think that he should need to prove this record soon... He cant have it on credibility alone.
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not to mention someone might want to see a vid
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I guess it's about time I commented here...sweet work Bryan
Yeah, CI SA 1:30 is possible especially with that strafing against the elevator wall trick...just curious, do you remember around when you got back to the start from obj. 1? I had about a 36.5 on my run (so actually the rest of the run was just a 55), and also the skedar was dead so he didn't backboost me
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wtf is the strafing against the wall trick? and what's the elevator door ur talkin about?
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ge thing.
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As I've already said, I have the greatest respect for Bryan. I do, however, think out of courtesy it might be good of him to take this record down until he does prove it. What do others think?
-- Breck Fresen
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I think he got the record and he shouldn't back down. It'll be proven soon enough.
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I was thinking that would be a wise thing to do also. Really I think some of these impressive records should be proved BEFORE actually getting onto the elite front page.
Especially when people like bryan and bizi have absolutely no proof of any of there pd achievements at all. This should go for any random untied wr's people are attaining.
Bryan even said he has no proof of his 26, how can we let it continue to be on the site without proof? Yes I know that bryan has a lot of credibility in ge, but you can't borrow it from another game and use it in pd to your advantage, which is exactly what bryan is doing.
BTW, this has nothing to do with me wanting 21 records on the front page.
-Karl
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Nice choice of words there QB, you THINK he got the time. Everyone also THOUGHT dark tim was telling the truth, along with octoinky and other various peoples who have lied over time.
If some newb came along and broke a wr by 5 seconds, he would be taken off the elite immediately until proof is shown. We would not allow the time to stay there for a month until we finally realise they aren't going to send proof.
May I state again that bryan has no pd credibility.
-Karl
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I was stating what I think of the situation. To tell the truth I'm 100% certain that Bryan and Bizi have achieved their untied world records.
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My untied is no :26 WAR A, or anything close for that matter. I don't blame you for your critisizm, but that is what proof deadlines are for. I'm pretty sure my tape won't get there on time (unless I send to someone else), but I'd sooner be banned than change my time back to 1:23. Now, that would be lying.
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Bosshardt: He has prooved himself beyond comprehension in GE...I seriously doubt he is lying here.
Bizi: Well, he hasn't prooven anything, but I really don't think he is lying either. Most people that lie are immature little kids, you don't see many of the older players lying.
But who knows, maybe they are both shitting us and it is a huge conspiracy
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You completely ignored my point there. It's like me proving that 1 + 1 = 2, but then you come along afterwards and saying that we know that 1 + 1 = 3 so that means 1 + 2 = 3.5.
That fact of that matter is that bryan cannot use his ge credibility in pd. You have to forget all of that, and think of bryan as a newb to pd because that is exactly what he is.
Bryan REQUIRES proof of this time to stay in the elite, and will be booted from the elite until he provides some.
The point we are trying to make is that bryan should take his time down until he is able to prove it. This kind of time is not the one you want to hang around unproven on the front page until 3 months later where people realise no proof is coming.
I'm not saying that will happen, but you can't say it won't. It's like people on gamefaqs say you should believe someone because you can't prove that they didn't get the time. Pathetic excuses for arguements coming from uneducated gay people. You cannot be gay and say "I know he will send prove so he should keep the time up", that's completely illogical and gay. You cannot possible 'know' that bryan got the time, you just assume. It's like people believing in god, they don't know he exists but they like to think they do. This is the kind of thinking that make people end up dead, and you will end up dead too if you think like this.
If bryan takes his time down and then puts it back up when he proves it we continue to have a very legit elite. When he keeps up an unproven time the elite completely loses that legit status. Why should bryan be able to keep his time up, while other people would get taken off the elite immediately for a time like this?
In conclusion, any arguement against this post will be majorly flawed and I will eat the poster alive.
-Karl
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Here's a spoon, eat me.
I see what you're saying, and it makes sense. I didn't say that Bosshardt shouldn't need proof either. I was just saying the chances are he is not lying. So whatever, do as you please with him, but at leats give him some time...and admit it, Karl, you just really want your 21 records for a while
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I fully believe Bryan, but I can see where Karl is coming from. But still Karl, you know he got the time, don't waste your time complaining about it.
Nemesis, if he was doing this because he really wanted all 21 Agent records, he would just go and get 0:26.....which I seriously suggests he does, so as to shut people up!
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OMG you are so smart neo. I obviously know he got the time neo that's what I said in my post. I'll quote myself...
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I know, as does everyone else, that bryan without a single doubt got 0:26 but requires proof anyway even though everyone on the planet is 100% certain.
Do I really need to say that whole 1 + 1 = 2 thing again?
Meanwhile renemesis, you might want to give reasoning for allowing bryans time to stay up seeing as he has absolutely no credibility, claims a time that was thought by everyone as impossible, and SAYS HIMSELF that he has no proof? He has the best case I have ever seen.
That's awesome for anyone who wants to screw over the elite. All they have to do is post 0:01 for every level. The elite would then be forced to wait a month to allow the player to prove themself. Then after a month or 2 or 3 once the elite is satisfied that no proof will be shown they can be taken down from the rankings.
Or actually they could post 0:01 for every level then after a month take it back and post there normal times and still be allowed in the elite. Realistically if bryan does not prove himself he should be kept out of the elite until he proves the 26. For the month that he has he can keep his other times up, but after that he will be completely gone unless you does actually show the proof.
I'm not out to get bryan, I'm out to the keep the elite legit as possible and to actually have some order here. If it were up to the newbs or lesser players every joe, dick and harry with 50 untied wr's would be allowed in the elite because the crap people 'know' they aren't lying. You can't blame them because they don't know any better, but you don't go around changing the entire system just to accommodate them a bit better.
Think about it.
-Karl
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Karl, what about the times that you achieved and not proved, you probably have proved them all and i don't care to be honest. You being the tosser that you are will most likely do the same thing (putting a time up without proving it) because everyone thinks your that damn good, well in my eyes you suck. Can i say something again, its my damn opinion of the matter! If you were mature enough then you wouldn't attempt to flame me as soon as you read this. I see where your coming from however but this following paragraph shouldn't had even been said.
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I'm not out to get bryan, I'm out to the keep the elite legit as possible and to actually have some order here. If it were up to the newbs or lesser players every joe, dick and harry with 50 untied wr's would be allowed in the elite because the crap people 'know' they aren't lying. You can't blame them because they don't know any better, but you don't go around changing the entire system just to accommodate them a bit better.
Calling people who aren't as good as you crap just shows how cocky you are now that you are #1. Your trying to meddle with this so called system to accommodate you a little better.
I'm totally sure that Bryan has got that time, and once he gets chance to he will prove it. Its no use attempting to get him banned just cos you lost a record Karl so grow up man, and maybe you won't get me replying to your every post. Sheesh
EDIT - Just noticed a few errors in my typing!
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So what's the verdict, take the time down back to 0:27 until proven like Makepeace did with his GE times or not? I knew I shouldn't have even bothered posting this time until it was taped anyway since the great Karl doesn't think it's legit.
<Bryan>
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Keep it up man, Karl just wants you to take it down so he can have his record back.
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I never said you didn't achieve the time, nor did I even hint that in any one of my posts. But the time is too good to be left unproven.
-Karl
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BTW, omg yeah I obviously want to take bryan down because he took a wr off me. It's not like I have 45 more where that came from or anything like that.
Fal, where is your wr? Oh yeah that's right you don't have any. Poor little bugger.
I obviously suck, that is why I'm ranked first, and what's that? You are ranked below 100, nearly, you are nearly on the front page, it's not like you have to go to the 'complete' rankings to see where you are.
Hehe, I obviously hate people that suck because well, you suck and I'm paying you out. You hate the good players because you are jealous of the fact they own you in every way. That's right, you hate every good player because they are better than you.
You are also the cockiest man alive. I have never seen such cockiness. The amount of cocky in you is intense. You are far more cockier than me.
Holy Sh.it I'm cocky! What a great defense there fal, just like you've used it for the past 20 arguments that you have created because of your gayism. I better look out next time because that cocky remark always catches me off guard and beats me everytime. How oh how can I out smart you, you are always one step ahead. Whenever I think of 20 things that make you look gay and retarded you just right out with the 'karl is cocky' argument and completely screw me up. Damn you are good.
I can't wait to hear what you say about me next, wait let me guess, you will say I have a big co.ck, or that my co.ck is huge, or that the amount of co.ck that I contain is fairly above the average mark for most people's co.ck amount. I don't get it fal, why are you so interested in my co.ck, is it because you are gay? seriously this is just getting out of hand, all I want to do is have a nice little chat about some differences that we have and you start yelling at me because my co.ck is immensly huge! Just because your co.ck is of the very small variety does not mean you should pick on poor people like me because I was born with a gift. That gift being an oversized penis that pleases every women/man that gets to experience it. You can have a piece too if you want...
-Karl
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fal, the difference is although bryan is an excellent ge player he has no pd credibility, he could claim any ge time he wanted most probably without the requirement of proof, although pd is a completely different story. As much as you might want to compare this to karl, whether you like him or not, he is highly credible in both games.
Like looking back, modnike copped alot of @#%$ for getting 27, 26 has been said to be impossible, it would be like... Adam Moore, a credible skilled ge player (yuck, dont like saying that), coming here and claiming something outrageous like 5 defection, would that be acceptable because he is a respectable ge player? I have no doubt in my mind if he claimed it, it would infact be legit, but would that make it alright for it to be accepted because a handful of people THINK he's legit?
I really believe that bosshardt got the time, but I think that it should be taken down until a time that he can proove it. Actually.. is there any players that live nearby bosshardt that could varify the time on his cart?
As for the comment about karl just wanting his record back, that MAY be true, but it doesnt change the fact that what he's said is basically correct. Hmm Bryan made me think there, i would say this is something that could be compared to the who Makepeace thing in ge, very similar except he didn't claim like... blargh.. no maxed out examples I can use in ge... you get the idea
In conclusion... I say, i dunno like proove it somehow, send ur cart to a proof mod or something so they can see the time, it seriously would be a shame if this time is legit for it to be taken down when it could be prooved somehow.
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It's like people believing in god, they don't know he exists but they like to think they do. This is the kind of thinking that make people end up dead, and you will end up dead too if you think like this.
EDIT: yeah, looks like Fal looves the cok
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A person's credibility is not tied to a video game. If he has credibility, then he has credibility, period. If some n00b put up 0:01 as every time, it would be a completely different story. These arguments are retarded.
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I like cheese.
oh wait.. anyway, It's not like Karl will lose his record because he can't lose what he has achieved, and he can't take away what Bryan has achieved either. It's just a pity that some things we may never know the truth about. Aliens?
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Yeah, ok. He has credibility, and I believe him, but that time is just too @#%$ crazy to be left unproven. Just give him a proof deadline like everybody else. It should be a simple as that.
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yea i think even i can get 0:26.
i got 4 27s yesterday...i can give myself 11 boosts, maybe more but i like to keep it safe....
i had some 0:26s yesterday that i missed the king on. i dont think this is a very hard record...except the strafing...but if you give yourself 4 boosts, then do the stuff smooth, and give yourself 7 more before the first skedar, reload, and then get a mauler...its not very hard. hell if i felt like playing, i would have 0:26 by now. course everything in my house got wet from a leak (even my 64 and stuff...) so yea im gonna try for that today...i dont have a computer to post on (except this school one) and they dont let us use geocities so i cant post new times on my site. ohh well. will try to find time somewhere. i have like 5 new PRs waiting to go on my site.
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Alright, I'm gonna take the time down back to 0:27 and end all this. I'll put it back up once the time is validated since everyone is struggling to get it and is making it seem to be about the most insane time ever claimed in PD history. All I ask is that I get credit for getting this time first in the end. I bet that Karl can get this time if he tried for 5 hours tops. I personally don't think that it's all that hard of a record to get compared to the other 19 levels (non-Duel) to get if time is put into it. In fact, I got this time before the CI times so it was the 3rd easiest for me, easiest without Duel.
<Bryan>
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lol, people are acting like it is the most insane time ever claimed in pd history becase.... it is.
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I think Infiltration PA 1:52 is the most insane WR, but that's just me.
<Bryan>
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I agree with Karl. I also agree with that renemesis guy, though.
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i could get WAR! :26...if i had it
i suck at PA, i cant beat Area 51 levels, lol and hell, im gonna be 95th next update and i havent even beaten the game
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I think the record should stay up. Since PD and GE are such close relatives, especially here in the elite credibility is easily passed between the two. In the past numerous GE players have come over to PD with records proven by their GE skills. It's doubtful any decent and proven GE player would turn around and go cheat on PD.
If you insist on demanding proof for this sole record before it gets put onto the page, then all records should be proven before they go on the page. Any record not proven by anyone no matter what their rank should be immediately disqualified since there is obviously the potential for lying.
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BDG wtf are you doing still alive and posting, lol...
I didn't really read this thread so I don't have much to comment on. What did he say it was? Phoenix shots? Sounds shady... I'd be less surprised if he used whatever unfortunately gay glitch works with GE and raising the framerate by facing the ground.
PDE would have been much, much more fun if video proof was required for every record regardless of reputation. Seriously... I hope for the next "big" and serious competitive game out there that proof is wayyy more stringent. Keep a page of claimed records and one for proven... Or star * proven times... It's kinda ridiculous not having videos for "world" records.
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bryan is a trustworth ge player.. GE player. war is a level that requires mostly strafing (and bosshardt is good at it), and im 99% that bosshardt got 0:26.. but dude, not taping was a bad mistake. keep with 27, and validate ur 26 soon.. and nspd.. @#%$ man, ur a @#%$ n00b around here, stop sayin that ur almost gettin 26, and that u could get it only with more "effort" or whatever u said.. shut ur @#%$ up. get 26 taped and then u can say stuff like that.
btw, for some reason my AIM is not opening
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Well, he didn't even have a VCR...
D0P: 95h without beating the game...phft. I got to 53rd in GE and I had only beat like 10 levels once(aka, still not in top 100 in time)...and I have only beat about 10 PA levels in PD...
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He got this record about four days ago now. Why in heaven is there STILL no newspost about it on the-elite.net?? I'd be happy to write one if nobody else can be bothered!
Anyway, IMHO it IS the most insane time ever, albeit tied with 1:52 Inf PA and that age-old 2:51 Inv PA (that was a staggering turnaround when it happened, and remained that way for months to come). War A was the safest, most definite, longest-standing world record - 828 days. It was marked down as "never beatable in a million years".
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It was marked that way by somebody without the record.
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It was also marked that way by people who didn't use look-down and didn't boost themselves with the phoenix.
He used a different strat, you can't compare it to how hard you thought it was with the old strat.
-Karl
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i agree with sam.. 0:26 is hella insane damn.. no one ever though that it'd be beaten so soon... and 1:52 Infil PA isnt that insane, according to paragon "only 3 days of play"
all u need is a good/fast start.. but no one has patience enough to try it.
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Wow, you people are still discussing of this! Briefly: Yes, Bosshardt is one damn good player, there's no reason to doubt he couldn't do it, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have to prove his time, because it would be irrational and against the principles of the elite, no matter what (although there are lots other people would need to proof their times, too).
Well, 0:26 just proves that our knowledge of this game and all the techniques to it is still expanding. Being one of the shortest and most-played missions, WAR! A shows that hardly any record is maxed.
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I agree with a lot of what Paragon said. I personally think that every good WR, especially untieds, should be backed up with video proof. A WR like :26 WAR just can't stay up forever without @#%$ video proof. It's like, not right even if it's true. I don't care how much credibility a player has or how damn good he is, it's not right to claim a WR like that without having video proof soon after. It's almost insulting to guys like Samsim and many others that worked hard and to get :27 and proved it. The 30 or so people who lost their WR deserve to see a video. And really, without some kind of proof, a time really doesn't exist. It exists only in your memory. A person's word can only hold up for so long.
Yeah, my opinion doesn't really matter, but I think that every good WR should require some kind of proof eventually.
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People must realise that you can't go call something insane just because you don't feel like playing the level yourself and find out how close you can get yourself first, before saying it's insane. When I get untieds on records in ge, I often hear "that's insane" and the like. He used another damn strat, and I bet most people who are arguing now, didn't even play the level to figure out how good it actually is. Nobody who already 0:27 has. Except NSPD maybe.
So what, if somebody else now would get the 0:26 aswell, and HAS proof for it, would Bryans time be allowed back in?
If so, I'm off to get it, I'll have proof real soon after, you know me.
And, IMO, this is not much different to depot agent, really.
The time was coincidally first 0:27 too, and now is 0:26.
0:27 was thought beatable only by Peter (on the old strat), and with lookdown he quite easily got it after starting to use it. Everyone was saying like @#%$, that's insane, we didn't see that one coming, etc. But I was the only one who realised it came forward from looking down practically (I mean I was like the only one realising it didn't seem too hard), and so I had to try. I found out that it wasn't that much of a deal, getting it after 3 hours of play, it was one of the first runs where the doors were well open though.
The only difference to strat change is, on WAR! you boost yourself aswell, and I don't know if that saves time aswell, besides the looking down, but if it does, this level has the advantage over depot, I mean here's more to cut off then, tenths-wise. but they would tie again, if you think about WAR! 0:27 old strat being probably high decimals, and pretty hard to get, and depot is probably lower decimals, and easier to get the old way. So basically they kind of tie on the matter.
Don't go say now that comparing 2 different levels is impossible and that sort of @#%$, both are FPS games, and they're based on the same things mostly. I see enough similarity.
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Also, with my commitment to depot, the 26 there was tied by me within like 24 hours..
most people even said they really didn't think ANYone would tie that soon, so proves how much one knows.
If I'd be competing at pd as I am at ge, I'd have probably tied the war 26 now too, if I didn't get it way earlier on the road..
I'd probably have been going for it soon after I knew about looking down. It's just that I care so much less about pd.. a shame really, or not.
I only played a month total at pd, that's all. (not the timer)
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Much of what w00ter just said I told Karl last night.....
And all he had to say on the matter was 'I know that you don't know that I know', and lot's of crap like that.....
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Hmm, Wouter made kind of a good point there. If somebody else got 0:26 with proof, Bosshardt should be able to keep his up as long as he promises to proove it ASAP. I mean, if we know it's possible, we know he has the skill, and some people aren't mad about losing 2 points, then he should be allowed to keep it (if someone else has it of course).
Oh yeah, and Wouter, 0:26 is more skillful than you may think. Belive it or not, you ARE good
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Wouter, get 26 now plz
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OMG Karl, you are so good at insulting someone, i must learn from you, please tell me....
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Fal, where is your wr? Oh yeah that's right you don't have any. Poor little bugger.
I obviously suck, that is why I'm ranked first, and what's that? You are ranked below 100, nearly, you are nearly on the front page, it's not like you have to go to the 'complete' rankings to see where you are.
You are the most retarded number #1 in the elite's history, constantly boasting on the fact that no one can beat your times, your the best, your records are unbeatable. I didn't see Paragon do this, i didn't see Disco do this (probably because i wasn't around)Karl if your the so called player that you are, go get 0:26 War A instead of trying to get Bosshardt banned for a fake time. Oh i forgot you can't its too hard for you, your coc.k is enormous and covers the screen so you can't see.
You say i don't have a WR, as a matter of fact i do, 0:03 Duel A....WOW is what you say, its the same as any other WR just easier, you get the same amount of points as 0:15 Chicago A. So before you post use your brain.
I admit i am not good at the game and probably never will be, but i don't spend my free time trying to get ranked at #1, which obviously you have done. Spending more than half an hour just to get a time is stupid and sad. Sorry to offend some of the other players aswell with that comment.
I'll say it again, YOU ARE A COCKY LITTLE PIECE OF TURD, and i'll carry on saying it. If you wasn't a big boaster to everyone then maybe our arguments wouldn't have me saying your cocky. Ever thought of that? No didn't think so.
You have your aussie chumps to lick your arse constantly everywhere that i reply to you, sooner or later you have Amoore, Neo, Genesics just to name a few always backing you up. "Oh your so great Karl, let me lick your arse just one last time".
Karl grow up man, i am getting sick and tired of your cocky and arrogant posts. Why can't you respect the fact the everyone else in the elite isn't as good as you than maybe we shall respect you. Oh and referring to the jealousy comment, yeah i am jealous, i want to be #1 but i knew ages ago that wouldn't happen so why bother playing PD anymore, its boring!
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I'll prove the time when I can. That's why I put 0:27 back up because I can't tape @#%$ now. Anway, the only reason I messed around with WAR! A though was because I was getting better playing SA using the phoenix boosting technique and played A for fun to be honest. Then I got 0:27's left and right and one run, I opened the last door at about a 19:23 and realized then that the record was very possible and eventually got it in about 1-2 hours of playing.
<Bryan>
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The fact that Bosshard is a GEplayer says something for me:
NEVER SAY NEVER
it is the same for his new time.
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Bosshardt, I would like to make a question for you: do you think you can get 0:25? I mean, in a perfect run, with a perfect strafing and with perfect boosts? Because this strat is new, so I suppose it's possible to get 0:25 when the strat is fully developed. Or maybe not? What do you think?
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i dont think so, IMO. 0:26 should've been very smooth, nice boosts and almost perfect strafing, and i guess it was like 0:26.95 or something. u cant take off 1 fully second, only with a better strafing and/or better bosstage (boosts didnt help much here, tought). we know our limits
maybe with a different strat or somethin new, in like 2 years someone'll get 0:25..
and they said that 0:27 was impossible, 2 years ago..
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Yeah, I forgot this. It must have been a 0:26.90 or so. Ok, thanks, Greg.
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0:25 is probably as likely as 0:22 Runway A on GE.
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right, so peeple shouldnt be arguing about this if bb said he'd take time down. oh, and as far as what people believe, read my sig :-b
Edit: Uh, bryan maybe you should say bunker or something because :22 is very very possible on runway, no one puts the time into though. if you don't believe me i will send you tape of my runway :23 and you'll be like "damn! :20 is possible caz that run sucked!"
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i know nothing about this game (as a recent topic proved!), but i've had experience of bryan from the GE scene to realise that he's no cheater. Shame on anyone who says he is.
Harvey
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That's not the point.
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I'm not sure how you can say War A :26 is the most impressive time ever... Same with Infil PA 1:52. Like Wouter said, some of you people have never even tried and have no idea. That's how a lot of my old records were back before people even attempted the "insane" strats. Turns out, none of them are insane at all, including the 1:52... Lots of ugly mistakes, and there are still more chances players can take to save time, but would require more luck. If anything's been proven, it's that you can't max out a long level... If any of you people had the patience/determination to play levels for insane amounts of time like Karl, Wouter, Disco, and myself, you'd see not too many times are mind blowing. I'm pretty sure of the people I just mentioned, I doubt they consider any record "too difficult" to match if they just sat down and worked at it for a week. The game isn't really that difficult... No one should think they can do something that no one else can accomplish, or even perform something that cannot be beat. Besides, you people make it sound like he isn't using a new strategy or something... Which can be probably be used on every level in existence.
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I have experienced exactly what paragon is saying. In GE before i played the hard 00a levels i used to think times like 1:05 jungle 00, 4:25 control 00, etc, were really insane. But once i sat down and played them i managed to get fairly close to them by really just living, all with plenty of mistakes.
Obviously not the same game, but the principals are the same, and even with PD the records probably aren't as 'maxed' as the GE ones yet.
So it's definitely stupid to say a 00a/PA record is insane.
On the other hand an agent WR requires much more perfection, so i would go as far as to say 26 war is a better record than paragon's 1:52 infil because it is much more perfect run, less mistakes, etc...
-Adam
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for the record, karl tried the 1:52 strat. no luck. tried PAL.
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Well everyone pretty much knows my playing style. For the most part, I can come close to perfect on short and simple strafing levels whereas the long and hard to live ones I lose a lot of time on objectives, living the level, or whatever it may be. I have to put in a lot more time into the long and hard ones whereas the short and simple ones, I can usually get very close or get the WR with little time.
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yeah, look at the cavs 00 wr vid. that's full of mistakes
(or whatever the fastest cavs 00 vid is..)
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ok silo 00 1:37 is in fact insane. not thats its perfect, but to stay alive past that many dam guards......
You cood say war A 26 is the most perfect run, but best is a different thing.
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Umm Dam 53 is pretty much the best perfection imo..
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Amoore - "so i would go as far as to say 26 war is a better record than paragon's 1:52 infil because it is much more perfect run, less mistakes, etc..."
big mistake. infil pa 152 is awesome. even with mistakes. if you play war long enough, you realize you make plenty of mistakes. watching over my video, i realize i tend to swerve a lot. and getting stuck, even losing something like .2 can ruin your run. but i think i get stuck a little somewhere and still make 26. its not that great...someone go for something like a new war SA now. you can still give yourselves some boosts (not 16+ like in war A probably though...)
if you were to do it extremely perfect, 16 (maybe 17-18 ) boosts, and stayed in COMPLETE left strafe, and didnt swerve, nice fast shot...maybe 25 is possible. but in left strafe, you arent facing the door so it seems its harder to make it, sometimes the skedar just seems to be running out of the door but it usually seems shut.
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You need to change to right strafe anyway to shoot the king..
And if we're talking perfection maybe frigate agent 24 belongs there.. depends on the hostages, if they can escape in 23 than 23 is possible, otherwise 24 is perfect, at least for the hostages which you need for a completion, so if you get 24 than you'd theoretically be perfect too.
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btw, get my vid!
WAR! Agent 0:27 (http://216.133.161.34/breck/upload/Wouter%20-%20WAR!%20-%20A%20-%20027.wmv)
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nspd, what u said about insane wr's is wrong, imo. omg, u got stuck a little bit on ur 0:26.. that was like, 0.2? well, u said that 0:25 is possible, so what's the big problem in losing 0.2?watch paragon's 1:52 and look for mistakes. only at the end he lost like 1.5 at least.. and im plenty sure u never tried his strat to say how insane it is. i tried it and i can safely say that it isnt that insane (hard, yes, insane, a bit)
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people, watch my vid and tell me what to do better!
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well i watched my vid a few times last night......and i gave myself 16 boosts by the bridge, didnt really swerve, and barely lost anytime. made it smooth through the door with a mauler. got a 24.6 or something shot (cant tell...no remote = no slow motion) so it does take a little perfect but still..its only 24-25 seconds of it unlike paragons 152 which is insanely hard. even with mistakes
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Dont take this the wrong way NSPD, but shut the @#%$ up and give yourself some credit.
You obviously don't suck if you were able to pull it off. :26 is a damn good record. You know it. Everybody else knows it. You can't compare it to 1:52 infil. We're talking apples and oranges here.
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he's saying "i suck" cuz then ppl will say "no u dont"
bah...
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umm yea what iggy said.
i would rather not:
hey guys look get your asses over here and treat me like god i got 26. im the best ever. i got a WR. im the best.
i hate being like that...
i got a WR. so what. im sure you all have...its nothing big...and i mean, bryan got it too (no proof yet, just like me, but i believe him...sending my tape soon hopefully!)
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uh.. u could say somethin like "yeah, i think i did a good job on WAR
".. u dont have to say "I SUCK!!! BLAH!" or be like karl, "im better than u, and i got all my times in 30 min"
but yeah, sorry.. sometimes we say "i suck", even if we'r good at something.
(and wtf, ezboard post form changed)
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or be like karl, "im better than u, and i got all my times in 30 min"
I'm amazed someone is finally listening to me. Well Done Greg K. Karl always thinks he's better than everyone at everything. lol
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bleh i am first aussie to read this, so i will do what apparently all us aussies do and jump in for karl, I'm surprised that you still take what he posts seriously, he has said many a time, that what he posts is basically a bit of fun and not to be taken seriously.
But then again... ussualy he actually does get the times as quickly as he says from what i've seen....
blargh... *tries to take tounge out of karls arse*
what was this topic about anyway..
EDIT: whoooo coloouurrss puuurrtttyyyy
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fun posts? yeah right.. when he posts like "im better than u, im a god" i know he's joking.. but just chech my topic 'booyah' that i made after my 1 week and 1/2 w/o PC... i just posted my times there... karl didnt know @#%$ about what happened with me, and he came like "wow greg i wish i was like u.. whoarding for a month only to get those stupid times"
see? karl must be good at the game, but suck as a person.. i can already see it.. adam and/or the chump will come and say "but u never met him before, u cant say anything". well, for me he's a hoe... and i will never meet him, so yay.
(ezboard was gay.. now it became dumb. color and font changes? awww.. this whole thing is being gay)
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Well actually he can be a bit of an arsehole in person as well.
I really wouldn't take anything he posts on the boards seriously though.
-Adam
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Hoe u Vitor, you only know hoes
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Yes colours are fun
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Just to let you all know, I probably won't really PR at all now until I can tape because for the most part, any PR I get should really be taped. All this WAR! A drama has ruined the game without taping.
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Hey Bosshardt.. don't PR until I play ntsc. i don't want to drop below 17th
^^ yellow is cool.
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I think all of you have really skewed opinions on difficulty and perfection. For one, they are not the same. Also, length does not add difficulty. If the plane was one second closer on Runway in GE, would all of the records on that level be better or worse? Would a perfect run on Pelagic II PA be more difficult than a perfect run on Maian PA? If you want to talk "better", then it's all opinion so feel free to go at it. Some of these things do have answers though.
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So what is the most impressive record in your opinion, Paragon?
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ok...so what you are saying is War A is about the same difficulty as infil PA? or am i missing something?
war 26 is obviously much easier than Infil PA 152. if it takes a former #1 over 9 hours (yes i read your post...) to get it, then that must be way harder than War A. War didn't even take me 1 hour the morning i got it. and total it took about 3 hours of actually trying (lots of boosts and stuff...going for 26...)
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I don't think the best players are going to bother with the time until a 0:26 run is online since they don't totally understand the strat yet to try for it really.
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I think they understand the strat. But with due respect to you both, what they have just experienced is 2 virtual newbs using a new strat to beat their time, that they worked very hard for, so long ago with the old strat. I think they would like to see if with their own eyes before they even consider investing time into a level they considered finished with.
I know because this happened to me and many other GE players when bosshardt, and yes, supernova came and totally turned every record on it's head. Once they see the vid, and realise the strat is just better and 26 will require similar skill level to that of a 27 with the old strat, the 26's will start flowing, i promise you.
-Adam
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26 is harder than 27 and you know it...unless 27 took you that long
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i have 28, biotch. I can only relate on a ge level, but the principals are the same.
-Adam
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i still dont see a "new strat." unless you consider adding a few boosts in a new strat, i see nothing new. basically an insane perfect (sometimes not even) 27 with boosts and a nice shot. 26 pops up. not that hard...gonna go for infil PA. i made it out of the very first lift (insane part) at around 1:36, which might not have gotten me a WR, but a nice time, assuming i wasnt trying to hold a grenade and throw it up to the top as i ran by and it blew up right in my face. i think i can get under again...and AS PA. i can beat the WR but i like after a 1:21 lift going slow and catching a 3:00 lift or so (2:57 yesterday) so i think i can get under 4 pretty easy.
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I share Vitor's skepticism. Sound like a challenge, though.
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What's with all this Infiltration PA talk anyway? I honestly have no idea which WR is the most insane, but I mentioned that one simply because it is the oldest untied record so it must be pretty damn good.
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ok greg k? and you think a 2:30-2:35 or so lift (second before bridge) on AS PA would not get me the WR? i have made a 2:40 before which was slow, and i had to wait for it...i can get there around 2:35 which isnt hard. but its mostly like SA, where Elvis used to die all the time. i can make a 2:55 lift as easy as making the lasers on invest. A. yup, that easy.
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NSPD, i think what GregK is indirectly pointing out is that you talk a lot of talk before you walk the walk. Like War, you did get what you said but you just kept saying that you could get :26, and it took a while before you got it, even though you said you could get it easily.
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The oldest untied record isn't necessairily good, not at all.
It might mean aswell that the level just sucks, people don't like to play it, or at least the people with potential on beating it don't, so it will stay untied longer than levels which are fun or something. I'm not saying that's the case here, but it might be.
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Like Frigate
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um, I have played Frigate pretty much alot, so you can call those WRs good, yes. The chance of hostages escaping is so small that my times are good, and probably to be the WR for quite a long time still, I reckon. This level is really alot luck-related, that isn't necessairily the same as a level people don't like. Here people need patience, for the levels I mean, people just don't like the level for more than just this reason of luck being involved, if this one is even included at all.
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The AS PA WR isn't especially good
on my 3.37 i lost at least 10 sec
3.20 is certainly possible
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yea i lost over 20 on my 3:55...plus i did the part after the lift (after first 2 or so objectives, which i only got a 1:30 or so lift anyways, i can get 1:18.) i can easily get at least in the 3:30s. (maybe not WR, but damn good)
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Hmmm, my best for the lift was around 1:25 so 1:18 seems insane to me.
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nspd... man, did u use karl's strat? that's the only (or the better) way to get the wr... when i got 3:44, using the slow strat, i got some runs which could be 3:30 but the lift wasnt there, cuz it was a slow strat.. i think u used it, cuz 3:55 sounds PREETY lame if u'd used the wr or the normal one. besides, at karl's strat, u have better chances of gettin a good time with PAL and Elvis is a big hoe to complete the objective.
ok, there's 3 strats (that i know)
1. slow strat - u wait the cutscene just like on A/SA, get the 1st lift closed and the last 2 lifts will be slow as hell. (i used it for a 3:44)
2. normal strat - u wait a lot at the cutscene (dont remember how much), and get the first 2 elevator doors closed on u, i guess. u'll get like 3:34 or so.
3. wr strat - just watch the vid. ps: this strat works better for PAL and elvis is a BIG hoe to complete the obj.
which one did u use?
whatever u used, saying u can get the wr if u have a lame 3:55 just shows how much u suck.
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hey greg k, i think from karls research with ntsc and pal that on attack ship the lifts all run at the same speed and such.
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the last 2 elevators are timed differently.. at NTSC it's 3s faster or so. karl told me that on AIM.. maybe he was making fun with me..
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ok it was cake. i did catch a 2:42 lift at the end, about 3 times, and my 3:55 was a 2:58 lift. which means i should easily have been AT LEAST 16 seconds faster (3:55-0:16= 3:39) and i missed the first skedar, and then the second. i was ducked so i definitley lost time cuz i turned so slow. anyways, i start after jo talks at the beginning (slow strat, supposedly) and i do the beginning fast. i can usually get around 1:21-1:25 pretty cake, but my best was 1:18. do the rest like normal, but i had to "babysit" elvis, because after the lift, elvis was really slow. so i wasted time there, then i got to the place when you shoot the brown things. i had to do it slow because i kept on missing skedar. had to duck back like 2 times and wasted another 10 or so seconds. did the rest, then just before the lift, i shot the skedar, stayed near the bottom and shot the other when he came, which lost more time. (thats the one who usually kills elvis. i cant seem to hit him from in the door standing outside the lift, so i stayed low)
anyways, 2:58 lift, then if i remember correctly, on this run i also forgot to close the second lift which lost a little more time. ohh well. just a nice 2:42 lift would get me under 3:40 cakestyle and i would be happy. i think i even caught like a 1:30 first lift this run, which is horrible as hell (anything over 1:27 i found really horrible)
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yo greg. i used the slow strat...after first line.
caught a 2:33 lift. actually, it was closed, but it opened at 2.40, and i still got 3:37...and i made obvious mistakes...did the 3 skedar on the bridge nice, but then i killed first cloaked, then i missed the next, shot at him again, missed, but elvis killed him, then i shot at the last one, missed, reloaded, and then killed him. still got 3:37. i think the "slow strat" can get you under 3:30 if you know how. i am done with this level though...satisfaction. when i send my next tape (sometime) i will add this definitley. dunno when ngamer is gonna get my tape, but i sent it like 2 days ago so its gonna be there to keep me from being banned. cant wait...hopefully he makes a vid of my 0:26...its crazy madness...16 boosts, no swerves really, nice open door, 24.5 or so shot (guessing...no slow mo on my vcr...)
here are the plenty of TT's i wrote down...
(most of these are not exact, because i just watched it and wrote them down...
- out of first lift = 017
- objective 2 = 034
- back in lift = 037
- in lift 2 (after killing all skedar) = crappy 122 (high 122)
- star map room, both skedar dead = 146
- brown things destroyed = 212
(leaving here, i was at almost full red health...)
(then i got stuck on skedar for 3 seconds...i watched the timer...)
- get to lift = 233
- lift open = 240
- 3 bridge skedar killed = 257
- elvis opens door = 310
- skedar 1 appears = 326
- miss # 2 = 330
- shoot again = 322 (as elvis kills it)
- 1 bullet left (plus more, but 1 in clip) as i shoot last skedar and MISS = 332
- reload, kill = (335-336) i think (i was backing up cuz he was charging me...)
plenty of TTs written down, and thats it. well, 337 = good time...2nd best yet. my personal thought: if i didnt get stuck for 3 seconds on the skedar after shooting objective 4 things, then i might have got a faster lift (i think it starts heading up and then i get there...so it would have been closer down, so it would have came down faster...like 2:35)
yea and the end could have been about 2-3 seconds faster AT LEAST. so who knows...im done with this level for now.
enough typing, this was like 2 pages long lol.
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I have the VCR so I can tape now. What times other than WAR 0:26 do you guys want me to get?
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dont bother. just retire now. :-p
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yeah, do the Craig kind of retire. (aka return for proof)
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Nice to know we still have newbies in our midst. Now that a handful of people have War 0:26 anyone want to argue for it being the most impressive record? lol... Nothing that takes 26 seconds in this game will ever be amazingly difficult.