Post by: vitor on January 06, 2003, 01:36:00 am
im not Ngamer, but i'll do some stats for the top players..
Karl: started playing again at august (not sure) and moved up to 1st in 3 months. he was at the 30's.. i made a quick check. he used both systems also.
Greg K: i've joined the elite at mid December, at about 50th, if i remember correctly. finished the year at 5th in pts and 6th in time. only NTSC system.
Dman: started the year at 9th, reached the top 3 some months ago, but havent played since then. he's 7th in pts and about 11th in time. only NTSC system also
Disco: was 6th in pts and 9th in time. after being dropped to about 10th, he unwhoarded his times, and became the #1 for a few months. ended this year at 2nd in pts and 4th in time. both systems
Lecmasta: started 2002 at 47th, and ended at 16th. a few impressive wr's, mainly MBR. only NTSC
Bosshardt: joined the elite a few months ago, and climbed up from nowhere to 19th. also, his 0:26 WAR! A surprised all. again, only NTSC.
Goldenvinze: from 22th to top 10. no insane wr, but discovered the Skedar PA thing. only PAL
Easton: i have no idea at when he joined, must've been around April. climbed up to 26th in pts and 23th in time. plus, he's brazilian
again, only NTSC.that's all i remember by now. opposing to the last 2 POY's, i think that should be: POY, runner-up and 2 or 3 mentions.
i wont vote now, i'll wait some opinions and more player stats..
edit: i forgot to post this: due to karl's gayness, shade is not on the list. i think he should be in, since he's prooven and stuff.. but whatever, let's decide.
Post by: renemesis on January 06, 2003, 01:43:00 am
Vitor is probably the only one who has played all year and owned.
Karl should win Player of the Last Quarter or something.
Post by: KillerSim7 on January 06, 2003, 01:53:00 am
Ok, I don't know what I'm talking about. ugh! so confusing...
Karl for POY
Vitor for Runner up.
tough call.
Post by: Amoore347 on January 06, 2003, 01:54:00 am
Through all the arseholeness i think that he does deserve the POY. He managed to get into first from outside the top 10 in about 3 weeks.
Other notables should include greg k, shade and maybe phil and randy for their reigns at the top...
-Adam
Post by: Suicide-Eagle on January 06, 2003, 02:00:00 am
Karl wins 4th quarter
Karl wins overall uber player of the year because he broke the 1:40:00 total, held every Agent record at once, broke 3:00:00 Rare and is top of the Rare ranks. And all that in the last few months of the year.
Post by: vitor on January 06, 2003, 02:21:00 am
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Karl wins overall uber player of the year because he broke the 1:40:00 total, held every Agent record at once, broke 3:00:00 Rare and is top of the Rare ranks.
hum.. i dont think that only karl broke the 1:40 and 3:00 rare marks.. everyone with their wr's were important to that (plus the GE records). even if he lowered a lot the elite total, u cant say that he broke those marks.. yes indeed, he was important, but not the only one. and the agent record thing is totally true.. but i still think that all the Agent wr's, excepting for a few ones, were cake for him. also, lecmasta and shade were banned.. getting 1:16 AB and MBR 1:23 would be very insane now.
and top of the rare ranks doenst mean anything.. rare ranks = PD+GE. this is POY for PD only.
Post by: renemesis on January 06, 2003, 02:24:00 am
And Phil wins the award for every quarter...for gayness.
Post by: JugadorJ3 on January 06, 2003, 02:47:00 am
Post by: vitor on January 06, 2003, 03:21:00 am
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 06, 2003, 03:27:00 am
Without sticking the pole too far up my ass I can't say anyone has out performed me for the year. I have done so much that hasn't been equalled, or even close to equalled by anyone else the entire year.
I might just post what I did.....
- Single-handedly took the last half minute in time off the elite's total to bring the elite below 1:40.
- Went from around 33rd to 1st
- Got all agent records
- Got a hell of a lot of other records, my high being around 46 or so wr's at the same time, 18 being the highest amount of untied wr's
- Got more points than anyone in the history of the elite has ever had (according to ngamer)
- Broke agent time milestones, including 24:59 on agent and 34:59 on special agent.
- Got first in every single category there is to be first in
- Figured out new strats and stuff, not to mention attack ship.
- Broke lots of the longest standing records and stuff
- yada yada yada
- Even though I used both systems, I beat out 2nd place by at least the disadvantage I would have with only one system.
- Me>You
Did anyone else do that? No, hence me getting the award, yay.
Randy, Phil and Vitor for mentions.
I think I'm gonna need a proctologist...
-Karl
Post by: vitor on January 06, 2003, 03:50:00 am
Post by: renemesis on January 06, 2003, 03:54:00 am
Post by: JugadorJ3 on January 06, 2003, 04:23:00 am
inves was 251 by pazza and i got 246. i only invented/improved basically every fine aspect of the strat and such so yeah.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on January 06, 2003, 05:15:00 am
Post by: Phil-Hughes on January 06, 2003, 10:02:00 am
To Renemesis: Who the hell do you think you are? I win on gayness? What the hell do you have against me pal? At least I don't play games that I clearly suck at. I bet you play all day everyday, and what have you achieved? I personally have nothing against you other than these immature comments that you feel obliged to make.
Phil
Post by: Suicide-Eagle on January 06, 2003, 10:15:00 am
Post by: SXR on January 06, 2003, 02:20:00 pm
Post by: The-BlackSheep4 on January 06, 2003, 02:55:00 pm
I was 47th in january and im now 11th
but of course i now i don't have any chance for the POY
Post by: Dark-Phoenix-BR on January 06, 2003, 04:27:00 pm
Sincerely, I would say Greg K for POY.
Post by: GoldenGreg007 on January 06, 2003, 06:30:00 pm
or maybe i meant karl..no wait; it's youse. yeah, youse.
final correction..even though vitor's a hoe; i say uhh, him for POY! Youse for runner up!! Karl for something too!
Post by: Wouter Jansen on January 06, 2003, 06:47:00 pm
Post by: Djie on January 06, 2003, 06:59:00 pm
j/k I would prolly deserve something but it doesnt really matter.
POY = Vitor, only due to the fact he played all year.
Post by: JugadorJ3 on January 06, 2003, 07:40:00 pm
Post by: Boss on January 06, 2003, 07:58:00 pm
Post by: renemesis on January 06, 2003, 08:40:00 pm
(AKA, this is the internet, don't take things so seriously. Not even what I just said above.)
Post by: ExpertGamer64 on January 06, 2003, 08:43:00 pm
Post by: Amoore347 on January 06, 2003, 10:15:00 pm
*awaits some big karl flame post*
-Adam
Post by: KillerSim7 on January 06, 2003, 10:43:00 pm
I hope he wins actually. I'm just still not sure who deserves it more. And since I joined when Karl was 13th or so and watched him jump up like crazy in no time... it was just impressive. Of course maybe these little short term plays would be more of a POM thing?
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 07, 2003, 12:33:00 am
I got my point across, that's all I wanted.
-Karl
Post by: Breckish on January 07, 2003, 01:06:00 am
Karl for POY. I don't think this award should necessarily depend on when you played or didn't during the year. It should go to the person who accomplished the most for the elite in the year of 2002. Even though he's awfully arrogant, you'd help your case if you were a bit more humble Karl, there's no denying he is responsible for bringing the elite's total time to where it is.
Post by: ExpertGamer64 on January 07, 2003, 01:17:00 am
In any case, I vote Karl for POY.
Post by: Bizichyld on January 07, 2003, 01:19:00 am
And what does it matter how much somebody actually plays during the year? You can get POM with only a few days of playing right at the end/beginning of the month...
Post by: Not-so-Perfect-Dark on January 07, 2003, 01:20:00 am
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 07, 2003, 02:05:00 am
To me it seemed like people were voting for other people because they like them better, and vitor did not make it any better by saying people are wrong if they vote for me.
I doubt I could have gotten my point across any other way.
-Karl
Post by: XylusSSJ1 on January 07, 2003, 02:26:00 am
And I just don't like Karl.
Greg K for POY.
Post by: Neo on January 07, 2003, 02:37:00 am
And I don't want anyone being gay and saying I'm voting for him cause I like kissing his ass or something, I truly believe he deserves it, hands down.
To everyone who voted for Greg K, fair enough, but can you please give a detailed explanation of why you think he deserves it? Saying
"Greg K gets it because he played all year and Karl is an idiot" is NOT a valid reason. Stop being retards, and actually act serious for once.
Post by: renemesis on January 07, 2003, 02:56:00 am
And I will say, Karl, that last post of yours was quite gay. You've said, many times, that you play GE and PD for the fun of getting new times and such. Coming here and laughing off the fact that people didn't vote for you makes you look like a prick or something. But whatever.
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 07, 2003, 03:44:00 am
Should he deserve POY?
-Karl
Post by: Neo on January 07, 2003, 04:06:00 am
Wait, I mean, no
Post by: renemesis on January 07, 2003, 04:18:00 am
Let's just hand him the trophy and let him sulk in the corner with it.
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 07, 2003, 04:32:00 am
Just forget about it, I don't want to fued pointlessly about something we already know the outcome for.
-Karl
Post by: JugadorJ3 on January 07, 2003, 04:46:00 am
What it is
getting WRs. getting PRs. inventing strats. gaining places. taking time off the elite total.
What is isn't
being nice to people. uber determination. playing the most.
Both Karl and Greg the the "what it is" category very well, who did the best in that? The answer to this question is you POY.
Um yeah so karl probably has some uber dertermination, even if not apparent.. he's not nice to people and he didn't play the most. But don't discredit him for that.
Post by: JugadorJ3 on January 07, 2003, 04:49:00 am
j/k
Post by: Neo on January 07, 2003, 05:27:00 am
Post by: genisics on January 07, 2003, 08:12:00 am
Post by: Boss on January 07, 2003, 09:59:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on January 07, 2003, 11:06:00 am
Karl did go from way below to first place and still kept getting untieds and stuff. It's not the same issue at all with there being another fully active player at first place ahead of Karl who kept playing pd almost only for the whole year... and also got great wrs, including insane ones, might I add.
But yes, Karl didn't play the whole year. But this case is very different: for GE I was playing the whole year and at the top of my game prety much (I had to be, did I want to improve). What you did was easier, because you were not yet in the stage of having hard time improving for the whole year. I'm not saying you didn't get good times, mind.
For PD, Vitor is the only one who played the whole year I think? which has done good stuff.. but not nearly that insane as we are getting at GE.. Karl came way closer to that with his many WRs (no offense Vitor). So basically, Karl had a better performance to say the LEAST. Actually, he has played in the early stage of the year aswell, but because he's not stupid, and didn't have NTSC, he did not waste the time on getting good times on NTSC-advantaged levels on PAL. So he didn't play some of the year. Then he got back into PD when he got his NTSC. If he had both systems all year long, I bet he would have got even more records, because it was only late this year he realised he wanted to quit spending so much time on this game. So I say he's a totally legit contender for POY.. seriously.
Besides that, how could we really know, besides trusting the person on his word, if they only played the one try they said they needed to get a time? Or the few months he has played? maybe he secretly played the whole year but didn't manage everywhere so well. This counts for everyone. I'm not talking Karl here, this is just generally.
Were it not for the time he played in the start of the year aswell, and the NTSC-PAL differences, I would say he wasn't a POY-contender. No matter if he did so well. What if there was a god who played this game, played 1 day, got all the WRs, all untied (maybe excepting few), lowered the total time to 1:37:00, and invents all the strats possible? I wouldn't give him POY just because he played ONE fricking day of the WHOLE year so well. he can get the award for most amazing day improvement ever, or something, but why give POY awards and POM awards, if you're gonna give POYs to people which already got POMs for their best performances? You should take a look at the best performance spread over a whole year, not spread over part of the year, or the whole year together. If you want the POY award, I would say you need consistency at the game, and have the ability to keep going and improving. ALL the time pretty much. Like, you can have quieter months, but at least it's spread out, and you used up the whole year. You didn't play one day or month and just left like it was nothing and get POY for it.
I'm thinking I'm giving too big of an explanation to all this now, so you guys fight over it.
Post by: Phil-Hughes on January 07, 2003, 11:39:00 am
The years of experience that Karl has are far heavier than those of Vitor. I mean, is it 5 or 6 years that Karl began to play GoldenEye?! Where as Vitor has played just one solitary year of PD. Finally, people have spoke of all of this time that Karl has taken from the PDE total. I bet if I had an NTSC cartridge I could do the same. Most NTSC advantage stages involve strafing, and this is definitely the easiest PD skill to master. After playing GE for so long, Karl would have found these stages very easy to earn WRs on.
So anyway, Vitor is the real winner for me, regardless of what the history page may come to suggest sometime soon. I know that a lot of other people entirely agree with this opinion, and that is all it is, an opinion. Why are we arguing anyway? I mean, how pointless. I done a lot of it when I was in play too, and now I just read through old topics and laugh at how pathetic it all is. Vitor Miranda Owns.
Phil
Post by: iggy on January 07, 2003, 12:02:00 pm
First off, Vitor did/does play GE, i just don't know when he started.
Second off, Wouter in your last post I didn't get who you voted for, or who you indirectly by implication voted for. You talked about playing the whole year is better, like Vitor did, then said that Karl spread it out evenly too.
To get to the point, I vote for Karl. Do i need a page essay explaining why? no. But basically, this isn't a popularity contest and so popularity will not interfere with my vote, (or else I would vote for Vitor). Not only to mention that in previous POM votes the higher ranked player almost always has the advantage, and gets the POM award, and that is most likely because it is higher to gain points the higher you're ranked.
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 07, 2003, 05:18:00 pm
The bosshardt/wouter thing was different, as most people agreed wouter did the most anyway, even if bosshardt's 6 month spert was a tick against his name he still wouldn't win. Wouter just did better, that's it.
-Karl
Post by: Wouter Jansen on January 07, 2003, 05:33:00 pm
Post by: Bizichyld on January 07, 2003, 06:32:00 pm
Is it Karl's fault that it only took him a few months to do what he did? It sounds like he would be a shoe-in if only he spread out his playing, thus being LESS determined. I dunno...
Post by: vitor on January 07, 2003, 06:32:00 pm
see.. it really pisses me off a lot that ppl dont know my history. only those who were with me at the begin know how i sucked.. shade, phil, fro, greg woll, and a few others.. man, i joined the elite with no idea at how perform the Def glitch. didnt know a lot of things.. my strafe sucked so badly also. i remember that i couldnt even get 0:29 war after some months. but still, i kept playing and going up.. when i reached the Top 20 and zeebo requested for a tape, i looked at Dman and thought.. "god, never on earth i'll pass him". some more months passed and i got a few nice wr's... along with some impressive pr's. i beat the AF1 PA 1:31, after a while i beat the Escape SA wr.. then i kept getting wr's and going up.. after a 1 week and half w/o PC (many ppl see this as a whoard, but it wasnt), i look at the rankings.. and i passed Expert by 30 pts. man, wtf? i passed the legendary EXPERT GAMER, and a while ago i thought i would never reach the top 20...
but over all this.. there's karl. in 3 months he achieved lotsa stuff (which i dont have to say again).. everyone was like "look at how karl own.. everyone behind him sucks".
so.. there's nothing i can do. ppl (specially the n00bs) see karl as a god, and will do till someone pass him.. at least i know that some of my online buddies know me, and how i improved this year..
it's funny cuz many ppl around here dont know that karl played GE for 5 straight years.. but whatever. this year will be in history, as the year that an unknown brazilian became top 5. and what could i do if i would have PAL.. anyway, bout the GE thing.. i started playing it in 2002. whoever mentioned this.. u really pissed me off, dude. karl plays GE for more than 5 years ago, and u come saying "i think greg k played GE too".. c'mon...
whatever, karl will win this anyway.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on January 07, 2003, 06:47:00 pm
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why give POY awards and POM awards, if you're gonna give POYs to people which already got POMs for their best performances?
read the quote. do it again. and again. get it? and again. read it!
now what are those awards made for?
and peopel don't get issues in this which don't belong here. PD is not GE. So what if he played GE before. It's about what he achieved. It's for a whole year. If one started as a newbie in the start of this year, he could be strafing like the best within a week, then within a month he could have all the skills for WRs pretty easily, then he has 11 months left for getting them. So what if someone else has the advantage of having played it before. Does never mean they can't get the award anymore otherwise it wouldn't be fair to them and people will go underestimate their performances.
It has been shown way too many times.
Post by: iggy on January 07, 2003, 07:13:00 pm
January '02
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30 Sim Threat 1647 1227 1233 4107
31 MODnike18 1370 1427 1309 4106
32 Trent Easton 1324 1322 1405 4051
33 Greg K. 1210 1352 1437 3999
28 Greg K. 28:20 40:33 50:26 1:59:19
29 Master8327 27:40 40:41 51:07 1:59:28
30 Spawnn 27:02 40:04 52:43 1:59:49
31 Sim Threat 26:29 40:04 54:58 2:01:31
January '03
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1 Sim Threat 2089 2045 2017 6151
2 Discombobulator 2017 1996 1966 5979
3 ParagonX9 1982 1957 1979 5918
4 Dark Avenger 1955 1965 1975 5895
5 Greg K. 1873 1921 1950 5744
1 Sim Threat 24:36 34:49 41:39 1:41:04
2 Dark Avenger 25:16 35:17 41:55 1:42:28
3 ParagonX9 25:10 35:30 41:55 1:42:35
4 Discombobulator 25:07 35:31 42:35 1:43:13
5 Carnski 25:37 36:02 43:10 1:44:49
6 Greg K. 25:55 36:28 42:35 1:44:58
Don't know about # of wr's held, not going to check.
GregK :
4 mentions, January-March, August,
1 Runner up, July
1 Pom, September
Karl :
1 Runner up, August
4 Pom, June, July, October, November
Ok, so there it is. From this, I would say that Karl improved more, and yes it was only during half of the year, but ... (Bizichyld)
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It's starting to sound like POY is an award for someone who just plays all year and has "good" acheivements, and not the person who has the greatest overall acheivements in the year. The whole idea sounds kind of stupid now.
Is it Karl's fault that it only took him a few months to do what he did? It sounds like he would be a shoe-in if only he spread out his playing, thus being LESS determined. I dunno...
I think that is a very good point.
Now to take the defense:
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"i think greg k played GE too"..
~Vitor
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Vitor did/does play GE, i just don't know when he started.
~Brandon
I didn't say think . . . also I wasn't implying that you played GE for 5 years, or that your experience matched Karl's. "I just don't know when he started" You jump to conclusions too fast.
2xEdit: So, my vote is still for Karl
Edit: changed some colors.
Post by: vitor on January 07, 2003, 08:19:00 pm
Post by: Suicide-Eagle on January 07, 2003, 08:37:00 pm
Post by: Bizichyld on January 07, 2003, 08:53:00 pm
I still haven't seen anyone make a good case as to why someone other than Karl should get POY.
Post by: XylusSSJ1 on January 07, 2003, 09:23:00 pm
Post by: Neo on January 08, 2003, 03:22:00 am
Ngamer is the one who chooses this, so can he please post and tell us how he decides POY!?
Post by: goldenvinze on January 08, 2003, 07:39:00 am
This POY is a bitch : the best player of the year killed himself on the race I guess...
It's not too late : you still can choose me for POY
Post by: genisics on January 08, 2003, 07:54:00 am
Post by: Neo on January 08, 2003, 07:55:00 am
Karl didn't 'cheat' Vitor in any way by getting NTSC. He would have reached No 1 with or without it, he just wouldn't have such an extrodinary lead right now.
Getting two systems is not breaking the rules, Karl chose to spend his money on getting the correct equipment, which on it's own shows his determination to reach No 1.
Vitor, if it's such a problem, you get PAL this year and see if you can beat Karl. I dare you.
Post by: goldenvinze on January 08, 2003, 07:59:00 am
I know that this goddamm @#%$ elite has no @#%$ fair rules , and it's because of chumpy fuckers who just have @#%$ money to waste to buy two @#%$ sys just in order to be first on a @#%$ cyber elite with @#%$ cyber selfish gays like you all , stupid two sys users.
Vitor for POY and that's all.
@#%$.
Post by: JugadorJ3 on January 08, 2003, 08:06:00 am
You know that song? Billy Ray Sirus?
suck it.Karl gained more points and got more WRs and took more time off elite total and he already had his good PAL times the year before so go and eat dirt.
Post by: goldenvinze on January 08, 2003, 08:20:00 am
Karl , good times with PAL before that ?
Man , we wasn't even better tan me , Carnski and Phil !!! And Carnski stopped playing a year ago !!!
I don't eat dirt.I guess I'll eat an australian loser for lunch.It will calm me down , and the world will come better after that.
Post by: Neo on January 08, 2003, 08:20:00 am
The first part of it anyway
Post by: Amoore347 on January 08, 2003, 08:56:00 am
But guys its pretty obvious that Karl does deserve the award. As has been previously said, Karl gained more points and time than Vitor. He got more WR's than Vitor and he also cut more off the elite total time than Vitor. Although Vitor did indeed play for the whole year, it took Karl only a couple of months to surpass what he did in a whole year, and even though he used 2 systems, he waited until he had both systems until he actually applied himself toward the game. When that happened it took him a measly 3 weeks to reach the top, but did he stop? no. He kept on playing breaking records and dominating everything. Sure Vitor did play well and if not for Karl's achievements he would be the POY but i cant see how anyone can not give the award to Karl.
Look past the arsehole peoples and see the PD player, this is not a popularity vote.
-Adam
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 08, 2003, 08:57:00 am
@ Vinze ... Have a cry already
I've already won POY... Your tears will only make this topic soggy, that's about it.
I did better than Greg K this year, end of story. I will always do better, as I'm the better player. Greg K is not as good as me and cannot even if he plays for 10 hours every day for the next 10 years will never beat me.
Me > Greg K
Now screw you guys, I'm going home.
@ the cry babies who are sad now and cry, that's right, cry like babies, hence me using the terminoligy cry babies.You are, as they say, inferior.
-Karl
Post by: Amoore347 on January 08, 2003, 09:09:00 am
-Adam
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 08, 2003, 10:15:00 am
-Karl
Post by: iggy on January 08, 2003, 11:07:00 am
Karl gained 2044 points.
Vitor gained only 1745 points.
Karl cut off 20 minutes.
Vitor cut off 15 minutes.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on January 08, 2003, 11:34:00 am
Post by: Phil-Hughes on January 08, 2003, 03:42:00 pm
Phil
Post by: vitor on January 08, 2003, 03:47:00 pm
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Greg K is not as good as me and cannot even if he plays for 10 hours every day for the next 10 years will never beat me.
and i wont spend money with a dumb PAL cartridge and all the PAL system..
Post by: Bizichyld on January 08, 2003, 06:30:00 pm
The only option is to sulk in the corner and convince yourself (and others) that you are better than the guy with two systems, even though you can't prove it. Life's a bitch,
There are, however, only a few levels in which PAL has an advantage. Karl would not have anywhere near the amount of records he has now if he had to stick with his PAL system. I am under the impression that more WRs are possible with NTSC, so Karl would be at a disadvantage with only PAL, in terms of WRs. So...if you only count his NTSC times, he would probably still own, which would make the dual system argument pointless. I haven't done the research though, so I don't know.
In conclusion, I'm @#%$ bored and that's why I keep posting in the stupid argument. I have to wait a half hour to catch the damn bus at my community college, so I just dick around at the library computers.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on January 08, 2003, 06:51:00 pm
In my eyes, determination means to never hold back on imperfect times, and keep trying to perfect them as much as possible, no matter how close anyone else is.
If you would really care that much about a good fair competition, the last thing you should do is play PD! (or TS2
)
Post by: SamSim on January 08, 2003, 07:02:00 pm
My feeling is that the POY is awarded to the player who made the greatest contribution to the Elite over the course of the last year. By this reckoning only Karl can possibly take it. Greg has done phenomenally, amazingly well for himself with a whole bundle of stunning achievements. But in the end Karl clinches it because of his WRs and his smashing of Elite totals and general dominance.
Greg for a very close second.
Post by: Breckish on January 08, 2003, 07:24:00 pm
Hmmmm, well I don't have greater respect for many people than Sam and Bziylchid. I do agree that the award should go to the person who has accomplished the most for the-elite as a whole. I love Brazilians, and I especially love the way they play soccer and Greg has certainly got to be one of the greatest guys in the elite. Unfortunately I'm afraid it can't be a total Cinderella story this time
. My vote stays with the man down under.
Post by: Not-so-Perfect-Dark on January 08, 2003, 08:01:00 pm
haha some of us poor bastards like me dont have the money
anyways, i still think greg is a better player...karl just has the advantage.
if he had PAL, im sure 1m25s at least off easily for deep sea , maian A, (assuming at least 2:41 A, exactly 30 sec, and at least 3:23 SA, which is, 50 seconds, and then maian A, assuming about 1:40 AT LEAST, another 7), so about 1:27, plus thats assuming he gets those, im sure he can do better on at least the deep seas. so that easily puts him up another spot, and only 4 seconds from tying disco. plus there are other times he can improve easily im sure. i would like to say greg k for POY, but its true, karl has accomplished more...so karl gets it, obviously.
Post by: vitor on January 08, 2003, 08:09:00 pm
and many of u are acting as if top 5 was easy.. and it's not.
my concept of POY is the one who did better at the year, and eventually improved the elite total. before u argue about this, i should tell u that: a #200 ranked guy who improved to #50, is TOTALLY different than a #50 who moved up to #5. again, most of u dont have idea at how top 5 is hard, especially if u use only one system.
whatever..
Post by: Boss on January 08, 2003, 08:13:00 pm
Post by: Bizichyld on January 08, 2003, 08:37:00 pm
And yeah, top 5 is extremely hard now considering that 5th was roughly 1st a year ago. Almost all of the players in the top 10 have been around for years, and it's nice to see a cool newer guy like Vitor make it that far.
EDIT - Breck...really. Is my name THAT hard to spell?
Post by: youseinthehouse on January 08, 2003, 08:48:00 pm
guys, chill, we're a community.
no need to get all riled up over pretty insignificant stuff such as this. hoping people's fishing boats sink or calling people cry babies is pretty gay. we should thrive off of each other's achievements instead of say how much they suck, or how much they could be better, or whatever. it's not who's better, but it's all for The Elite. karl deserves the award because he did more for The Elite. greg was phenomenal, no doubting this. Runner up over everyone else by far... but karl did more. just because he's a wanker to some of you on this board or over i/m does not change this fact whatsoever.
look at bosshardt. the kid comes up (well, he's older than i am =P, but i can still call him kid) from nowhere, comes up with new strats, sets like 38 new insane wr's (slight embellishment... well, not so slight anymore =P) and acts as an inspiration [if frustrating in the losing wr's department
] to us all. he never bragged at all, mostly he was probably too modest. e.g. saying "yeah my times aren't that good in most areas", lol. he embodies what the elite should be. he thrived off of all of his support and did some great things for us. bottom line: you don't have to like each other, but in terms of gaming... respect everyone's skills, because everyone here puts in substantial effort relative to what he or she can do.
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 08, 2003, 09:55:00 pm
PAL Time Advantage over NTSC: 20 seconds
PAL Time disadvantage to both systems: 1:20
NTSC Time disadvantage to both systems: 1:40
That's about as accurate as you are going to get.
I have a 1 minute and 40 second advantage over greg. Therefore, had his achievements equalled or bettered mine he should have a total time of at least 1:42:40.
-Karl
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 08, 2003, 10:34:00 pm
Deep Sea Agent: 30 seconds (you ntsc guys really have sucky times...)
Deep Sea SA: 1:03 (Once again, sucky times...)
Maian Agent: 7 seconds (Even though 1:39 is WAY harder than 1:46 ntsc style)
Time Advantage for NTSC...
Defection PA: Unknown, at least 5 seconds though...
Investigation Agent: 2 seconds
Investigation Perfect Agent: 3 seconds
Extraction Agent: 1.5 seconds
Extraction Special agent: 2.5-3 seconds
Extraction PA: 4 seconds
Infiltration Agent: 3 seconds
Infiltration SA: 3 seconds
Infiltration PA: 3 seconds
Rescue Agent: 2 seconds
Rescue SA: 2 seconds
Rescue PA: 2 seconds
Air Base Agent: 1.5 seconds
Air Base SA: 3 seconds
Air Base PA: 6 seconds
AF1 Special Agent: 1 second
AF1 PA: 1 second
CI Agent: 0.7 seconds
CI Special Agent: 0.7 seconds
CI PA: 0.7 seconds
Attack Ship Agent: 1 second
Attack Ship Special Agent: 1 second
Attack Ship PA: 1 second
MBR Agent: 5 seconds
MBR SA: 3 seconds
MBR PA: 4 seconds
Maian SA: 5 seconds
Maian PA: 10 seconds (at least)
I was generous with some levels...
-Karl
Post by: genisics on January 08, 2003, 10:43:00 pm
Post by: vitor on January 08, 2003, 10:56:00 pm
after all, with PAL it's easier to get a decent total time.. paragon's total time is good for NTSC, and im like 20s behind him (of course, considering only his NTSC times).
Post by: Boss on January 08, 2003, 11:23:00 pm
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 08, 2003, 11:36:00 pm
-Karl
Post by: Djie on January 08, 2003, 11:42:00 pm
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 08, 2003, 11:45:00 pm
-Karl
Post by: Breckish on January 08, 2003, 11:45:00 pm
I tried for about 2 miinutes brainstorming ways to spell your name because I really didn't want to have to go back and copy it from your post.
Bizylchid
Bizyilchyd
meh... and about 50 others.
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 09, 2003, 12:19:00 am
The ONLY person in this entire topic that has degraded anyone's performance is Vitor.
Who is the big meany? And Greg K started all of this arguement, by calling me gay in the very first post. Greg K was the only person to say people were wrong for voting for me.
It is obvious that every post after my first was an effort to annoy people who deserved to be annoyed.
It is hard to draw a line between what people don't like. Now, the question has to be asked, what do people really hate? In my case, people think they dislike me, when in reality what they dislike is my attempt to annoy them. If they are so stupid to think they actually hate the person who's sitting in front of my comp, they have a problem. A REAL problem.
As me and several other people tried to explain yonks ago, don't look too deep into posts or you will end up being a fag. Here's something interesting...
Greg K - We were originally friends, he started to think my posts directly reflected my personality. Turned gay...
Shade - We were originally friends, took me seriously....gay.... Does shade hate Ben?
Phil - Were good friends, same story, gay
EVERYONE who dislikes what they think I am now originally really liked me at one stage. Haha, have I changed? Of course not, they just thought my posts reflected my personality, which of course is gay. However my posts are supposed to provide some comic relief, which only the truely down to earth people (aka australians and various other people) would find amusing and not taken seriously.
In conclusion, fu.ck you all (especially greg K), you are all fu.cking retards who take things too seriously. I wish you were all dead, the pd elite is a joke now, it used to be good but now faggots have infested it. I will never play pd again, even though I know I'm the best and can beat everyone here.
Just give my the fu.cking poy award already, it's mine and I deserve it and want it more than anything in the world. I know 100 times more about the game than anyone alive (especially greg k) cause I'm better than anyone alive (especially greg k). Everyone needs to get a life (especially you know who) because sitting around crying about something someone said in an OBVIOUSLY joking manner on a stupid message board where words can only kill you is DUMB.
Phil, Greg K, Breck, Shade, Moore, Matt, the other Moore (yes you know who), Ben, Karl, Tyler
, Adam, Sam, Sim Threat, that guy over there, and adam moore are GAY. GAY I TELLS YOU. OMG HOW GAY CAN YOU BE! GROW DOWN BITCHES!In conclusion, I obviously know vitor will pass me so I will retire now so I can use the excuse "you only passed me cause I'm not playing anymore" when he does actually pass me.
-Karl
Post by: renemesis on January 09, 2003, 12:35:00 am
Post by: vitor on January 09, 2003, 12:42:00 am
i hope that u arent gay in person as ur at the boards.. anyway, we'r trying to make the elite a decent place.. if u dont agree with that, what can i do?
Post by: Boss on January 09, 2003, 12:49:00 am
Post by: renemesis on January 09, 2003, 12:53:00 am
We're all civilized gentlemen over at GE.
Post by: XylusSSJ1 on January 09, 2003, 12:55:00 am
I am taking my vote away from Vitor. Nobody for POY.
Post by: Neo on January 09, 2003, 01:56:00 am
Oh yes, and w00t @ Karl for not mentioning my name in that list
Post by: iggy on January 09, 2003, 02:11:00 am
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However my posts are supposed to provide some comic relief, which only the truely down to earth people (aka australians and various other people) would find amusing and not taken seriously.
In conclusion, fu.ck you all (especially greg K), you are all fu.cking retards who take things too seriously. I wish you were all dead, the pd elite is a joke now, it used to be good but now faggots have infested it. I will never play pd again, even though I know I'm the best and can beat everyone here.
Just give my the fu.cking poy award already, it's mine and I deserve it and want it more than anything in the world. I know 100 times more about the game than anyone alive (especially greg k) cause I'm better than anyone alive (especially greg k). Everyone needs to get a life (especially you know who) because sitting around crying about something someone said in an OBVIOUSLY joking manner on a stupid message board where words can only kill you is DUMB.
In conclusion, the first paragraph being true would make the second and third paragraph BS. So, then he would be contradicting himself, because . . .(you[reader] should know why)
In other words, pretty pointless post where I am just burning up time.
Post by: iggy on January 09, 2003, 02:17:00 am
Oh, and:
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the pd elite is a joke now
[sarcasm because I already know the answer]Wow, Karl, I wonder how much if it was your doing?[/sarcasm]
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 09, 2003, 06:51:00 am
@ IggyHAHA, when I made that post I was laughing with renemesis at the fact that people like you would take it seriously.
OMG Iggy, you are so gay, I hate you so much. You obviously have no life if you spend it getting upset about posts on a crap message board about a crap game directed towards a crap player.
Wow, do I care? No! Do I care about you iggy? No. That is obviously why I'm posting, because I don't care. And you obviously posted because you don't care, and felt the need to waste your time telling other people who don't care about the fact that you don't care. Do I care that you don't care? No. Do I care that by you saying that you don't care you are basically saying that you care? No.
In conclusion, I deserve POY because I am still playing, in fact I got 1:31 MBR PA, so suck it right down. And Vitor is the one who is quitting, he hasn't gotten a time at all for at least 2 years.
-Karl
Post by: JugadorJ3 on January 09, 2003, 08:41:00 am
yeah... don't really want to say anything. iggy is gay. always has been.
It was funny when Karl called Breck gay, cos he's really innocent and such. hehe...
ahh...GUESS WHAT! I'm gunna beat the @#%$ out of infiltration SA. yeah let's talk about how gay some of the records are.
Look how @#%$....deep sea PA is! and omg... attack ship PA.. haha what a joke. Both Karl and greg could own both of them. go and beat em. hmm.... rescue Agent WR..
crap. My point is that there are WRs to be had. Go and play. Just play and don't give us your winging.
Everyone who even tries to say ANYTHING is just repeating stuff. so get fuc.ked.
karl is a nerdy fat kid so get fu.cked.
vitro (deliberate) tries hard so get fu.cked.
Do you really give a @#%$ about this? get fuc.ked.
yeah this post owns like no other. And karl don't call me gay, i'll kick the @#%$ out of you
Post by: SamSim on January 09, 2003, 08:50:00 am
Post by: Dark-Phoenix-BR on January 09, 2003, 10:56:00 am
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...and Vitor is the one who is quitting, he hasn't gotten a time at all for at least 2 years.
He got Pelagic PA 2:15 five seconds ago.
Karl, you gained motivation after receiving NTSC, and started playing madstyle. If Vitor had PAL, he probably would have threatened you, because he was going to get 1) a PAL system, 2) motivation.
And you haven't proved:
Attack Ship Agent 2:12
Escape Agent 2:29
Crash Site Agent 1:21
Chicago Agent 0:15
Infiltration Agent 1:13, etc.
And I'm sorry if there's something spelled wrong, my English sucks.
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 09, 2003, 10:59:00 am
-Karl
Post by: iggy on January 09, 2003, 11:08:00 am
And my second post was just to annoy you, like you would do to everyone else, so I guess you can't call people like Renem gay because you took somewhat of the same reaction.
And, you've always hated me and always thought I was gay so what's the difference.
Post by: Phil-Hughes on January 09, 2003, 01:44:00 pm
So anyway, about that 0;03 on Infiltration, chances are that this is true. If you remember correctly, my 1:15 was actually with a decimal of .70, and the time took me two days to get, with roughly 4 hours of play involved. If you take the time to download and watch the run, you will notice that there is no obvious slow areas, making it a very good run overall. So yeah, if I had have reproduced the run on NTSC, it would have been a 1:12.70, meaning that I own Infiltration. Of course, a 1:11 would be possible to a very determined NTSC player, if he chose to use the hut jump.
Fact is, I realise that Karl has beaten my overall time, even if my PAL disadvantaged times were boosted up to what they would be at NTSC. While he has only marginally passed me, he has. Perhaps if I had the will to play and an NTSC system I could crush some of my gay times, along with the known to be gay NTSC records.
Finally, to J3, yeah, the Deep Sea PA record is not exactly perfect. But lets see you play an awfully difficult stage for hous upon end and max it out. 3 minutes is a long time to play absolutely perfect for, and the level involves a variety of skills to complete effectively. Then of course, we have the final run back to the exit, and this is horribly random. I had runs that were five or six seconds faster, only to be took out at the bottom of the ramp. So yeah, at the time I only wanted to take the best untied record, held by Paragon.
Phil
Post by: vitor on January 09, 2003, 03:33:00 pm
Post by: The-BlackSheep4 on January 09, 2003, 04:30:00 pm
Post by: Matthijsdadutchman on January 09, 2003, 04:46:00 pm
There is too much crap spread around in this topic. Take this award a bit more seriously and get back to the actual subject, only a few were able to write down stuff that made sense.
It is still amusing though...
I am not gonna vote, I have the feeling Karl deserves is slightly more, but yet again I have not been following PD closely the past year, so I am not the right person to give my opion. When will the conclusion be drawn???
-Matthijs
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 10, 2003, 12:18:00 am
Phil's infil agent run would have been 1:12 on NTSC.
-Karl
Post by: Not-so-Perfect-Dark on January 10, 2003, 12:28:00 am
well anyways, you good players, instead of arguing about whos better, who deserves POY/POM, etc, go out and get some damn records so us peope ranked 30 like me can sit here and wonder how the hell they got it...
Post by: vitor on January 10, 2003, 12:38:00 am
Post by: Bizichyld on January 10, 2003, 04:08:00 am
Post by: goldenvinze on January 10, 2003, 08:42:00 am
Well to answer to ??? (I forgot who it was) , being #1 w/ only 1 sys is totally out of question.
1:If you have NTSC only , you're @#%$ because of all those PAL players who have a time below 3m on Deep Sea A , losing at least 50-60 here...
2:If you are PAL , you can cry on all those levels were there is a lift.
DA managed it , but with the new WRs Randy and Karl set up , nobody could do it again.
Post by: Not-so-Perfect-Dark on January 10, 2003, 09:37:00 am
Post by: deletedprofile.u on January 10, 2003, 11:57:00 am
-Karl
Post by: Wouter Jansen on January 10, 2003, 01:28:00 pm
Post by: Bizichyld on January 10, 2003, 05:42:00 pm
How is Investigation NTSC advantaged? No lifts...I just thought the only factor were the random bots.
Post by: Wouter Jansen on January 10, 2003, 06:52:00 pm
Post by: renemesis on January 10, 2003, 08:26:00 pm
Post by: Boss on January 10, 2003, 10:44:00 pm
Post by: renemesis on January 10, 2003, 11:17:00 pm
My bad.
Post by: KillerSim7 on January 10, 2003, 11:36:00 pm
(yeah, I'm talking about Invest A) I think it was an early :53 bot I got my 1:36 with. So what's that? a :43 to :44 ending? is that any good? I'd need a :47 bot for the WR then. ok then here is my question.......What is the fastest bot for Invest A? (my game is so gay as it thinks :53 is a "good" bot.)
Post by: Bizichyld on January 10, 2003, 11:41:00 pm
Post by: Boss on January 11, 2003, 01:55:00 am
Post by: renemesis on January 11, 2003, 03:47:00 am
Post by: Quiet Bol on January 11, 2003, 04:45:00 am
Karl for POY.
Post by: renemesis on January 11, 2003, 04:59:00 am
Post by: Quiet Bol on January 11, 2003, 05:05:00 am
Post by: KillerSim7 on January 11, 2003, 05:33:00 am
Post by: renemesis on January 11, 2003, 05:41:00 am
- Not doing the camspy trick.
- Not opening the door after the uplink fast enough.
- Bad strafing.
I understand why Investigation can be gay for people though, seeing as there isn't a vid...
Post by: Quiet Bol on January 11, 2003, 06:07:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on January 11, 2003, 08:37:00 am
Post by: JugadorJ3 on January 11, 2003, 08:47:00 am
yeah i'll make a 130 soon. playing ntsc tomorrow.
Post by: KillerSim7 on January 11, 2003, 11:09:00 am
, and I think I know what you mean by the camspy trick. I take the camspy with me to the lasers and at the 3rd laser I release it (through the laser) and open up the 2 doors ahead of me and return to my view just before that little bot deactivates the 3rd laser?
Post by: Boss on January 11, 2003, 03:56:00 pm
Post by: Not-so-Perfect-Dark on January 11, 2003, 04:30:00 pm
i have gotten a fast bot, yet it opened the last laseres slow, and i have gotten slow bots, where i did the camspy trick fast as usual, yet, i still have to wait for the bot, sometimes as much as 1-2 seconds...if you can manage a fast bot, camspy trick, and the lasers are already deactivated...1:29 or maybe 1:28 is possible...
Post by: renemesis on January 11, 2003, 05:03:00 pm
I once had a 49 bot, and it went very slow, causing me to get a 1:35. (I didn't say I had ever had a 49 earlier, since this one was slow and gay, and I don't normally count it). I told Karl about it, and he said I was gay and that all bots went the same.
In conclusion: Suck it down, Karl.
Post by: ShadowZero64 on January 11, 2003, 05:07:00 pm
Post by: KillerSim7 on January 11, 2003, 05:45:00 pm
I think I've got it for this level though. I just got a 1:35 with a late :53 bot so yeah. I think an early :53 bot should have given me a 1:34 instead of a 1:36. I don't know what happened.
Post by: renemesis on January 11, 2003, 05:51:00 pm
Post by: Phil-Hughes on January 11, 2003, 06:28:00 pm
Phil
Post by: JugadorJ3 on January 11, 2003, 07:53:00 pm
Post by: Not-so-Perfect-Dark on January 11, 2003, 08:29:00 pm
well maybe not that, but 1:27 would easily be possible on a pretty decent run.
Post by: Quiet Bol on January 12, 2003, 02:46:00 am
Post by: Ngamer on January 14, 2003, 02:50:00 am
Post by: Wabs on January 14, 2003, 06:48:00 pm
I guess Karl was the one who really deserved POY
Post by: Not-so-Perfect-Dark on January 14, 2003, 08:32:00 pm
duh, sarcasim (however you spell that damn word)
Post by: Mallow on March 01, 2003, 04:28:00 pm