Post by: Your Eliteness on July 26, 2003, 05:38:00 am
Start out as normal, but fire your Falcon 2 rapidly into the wall (like PA). Reload, destroy glass, and basically shoot everywhere that you can. Your aim is to attract as much guard attention as possible so they open the doors for the bot. Go into the long hallways and disarm the two people, then pull out your F2 again and shoot. Let the guards near the isotope room live, and maybe disarm one. Fire as you go down to the first experiment room, and on your way back. Fire in the main hallway, then switch to CMP so you can do the next experiment room. Proceed as normal.
Obviously it will not work all the time but makes it more possible to get a fast bot (I got 2:14 on my 3rd try using this method).
EDIT: Okay, I'm beginning to doubt this strat. The bot barely slows down on the doors, EXCEPT for the first one. So I figure just fire your F2 as you leave the bot activation place, so one of the guards will follow you and have the door open.
I figure my 2:14 must have been luck...
Post by: JugadorJ3 on July 26, 2003, 09:01:00 am
Post by: Suicide-Eagle on July 26, 2003, 09:10:00 am
. I suppose this roughly translates to shut the hell up on PA so the bot gets blocked and mere mortals stand a cat's chance in hell of getting the lasers in time
Post by: Your Eliteness on July 26, 2003, 09:13:00 am
BTW, for anyone who doesn't know...
1:31 bot = 2:12
1:32 bot = 2:13
1:33 bot = 2:14
1:34 bot = 2:15
.....
Just add 41 secs.
EDIT: This post was in reply to Matt's.
SE, it's hard to go silently on PA. Do anything necessary to survive, including unloading a K7 clip in some guy's chest.
Post by: Dark-Phoenix-BR on July 27, 2003, 12:58:00 am
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Quote:I agree, mainly because I got 2:15 in my 5th try after starting to use it. Maybe it's a bit random, but the strat works.
firing the f2 may do *something* though. you did get 214 3rd try after starting to use it.
Also, I think I've found a way to make the guards open the wooden door consistently (on PA)! In most of my runs, the door is opened.
Start out as normal, IGNORE the first guard and fire your Falcon 2 rapidly into the wall (shoot all the 8 bullets). After you pass through the wooden door, stop shooting. You must fire all the 8 bullets BEFORE entering the "secret corridor". Ok. Now break the glass, blah blah. Go towards the wooden door. If you did it correctly, 2 or 3 guards would have opened the door for you. Unload a clip of the Falcon 2, killing everyone. Proceed as normal.
I can get the door opened in 80% of my runs (like, in 8 out of 10 runs, the door is opened). Once I got 14! opened doors in a row.
Hopefully you'll understand. I know that there are a lot of grammar/spelling errors. I'm sorry.
Post by: Your Eliteness on July 27, 2003, 01:10:00 am
So 2:19 was your time before? Congrats! Finally someone else has realised how easy Invest SA is.
Post by: Dark-Phoenix-BR on July 27, 2003, 01:49:00 am
Thanks. Yeah, Investigation is a cool level, I like it. Oh, and I must congratulate you too. 2:14 is a very nice WR, congratulations!
I've had a good run on PA too. 1:37 bot, if I remember correctly, my "uplink complete" time was 2:02, then the Dragon guards killed me. I think that I could have gotten 2:50 or so (sub 3:00, at least) .
Post by: Your Eliteness on July 27, 2003, 01:53:00 am
Post by: Dark-Phoenix-BR on July 27, 2003, 02:11:00 am
Very strange, though. I'm almost sure that it was a 2:02 uplink complete, but... I don't have the skill to get the WR. Veeeeery strange, I'm gonna check this TT later. Hehe, it would be nice. "Untied WR: Invest PA 2:39". 
*dreams*
Nah, j/k.
Post by: deletedprofile.u on July 27, 2003, 04:00:00 am
My end was basically the best you can do.
-Karl
Post by: Quiet Bol on July 27, 2003, 04:08:00 am
Post by: JugadorJ3 on July 27, 2003, 05:11:00 am
Post by: Dark-Phoenix-BR on July 27, 2003, 02:16:00 pm
Sorry, guys.Jugador, can you get the door opened frequently?
Post by: Not-so-Perfect-Dark on July 27, 2003, 04:46:00 pm
Post by: KillerSim7 on July 28, 2003, 05:13:00 pm
Post by: Suicide-Eagle on July 29, 2003, 02:14:00 pm
. And maybe I'll learn 1.2 properly. I can use it but not to do complicated things like the consoles in Villa and the dragon proxy and release camspy move on Air Base.
Post by: Boss on July 29, 2003, 03:12:00 pm
Post by: Suicide-Eagle on July 29, 2003, 03:37:00 pm
now). And Duel SA and PA. And my Villa A was 1.2 mostly then changing to 1.1 for the end.
Post by: vitor on July 30, 2003, 12:41:00 am
hmm.. have u ever tried to follow the bot and open the doors for him? u'll get 1:37 laser constantly (well, i got).. so there's more on this level than just getting doors opened for the bot. i have many explanations for that on my mind.. like, there's different bot speeds (kinda like cass on MBR, but u have only 2 there), u cant look at him or else he'll be slower, or something related to framerate, or the bot is gay and do turns whenever it fells like to, etc..
my point is.. bryan's got 2:12 with a 1:30/1:31 bot, and that's insane if YE's strat doesnt work, so i guess it has some participation on that. but there's still something else there.. if anyone knows, we can go further on this investigation (
sorry i had to say that). im sure someone here knows that.. so plz tell me cuz i dont.
Post by: Your Eliteness on July 30, 2003, 02:24:00 am
Because guards get alerted, the game has to think more.
Because the game thinks more, it can't control exactly where the bot is.
You know how some guards freeze? My guess is that that happens to the bot as well, but the game notices that the bot is important and warps it forward to make up for the time lost. Get it? Maybe that's why it works.
Post by: Boss on July 30, 2003, 02:37:00 am
Post by: KillerSim7 on July 30, 2003, 08:12:00 pm
Post by: Djie on July 30, 2003, 08:49:00 pm
Post by: Suicide-Eagle on July 30, 2003, 11:20:00 pm
Post by: deletedprofile.u on July 31, 2003, 02:30:00 am
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...and change guns all the time while constantly firing...
That would require A LOT of skills
-Karl
Post by: vitor on July 31, 2003, 11:14:00 am
well, changing guns while shooting is quite hard, lol. but u could disarm a few guards, sound the alarm, etc.. someone could try that cuz im just too addicted to tfc
Post by: Lanky007 on August 07, 2003, 01:37:00 am
in other words, i used to play this level a lot. i conducted many tests, and could come up with nothing. i finally gave up and reached the conclusion that nothing u do can affect the bot, and it always moves at the same consistent speed, assuming it does not have anything blocking its path where it will need to alter its path. in a clear path, it always moves at the same speed, always constant. the only difference when u seem to get a good bot (good bot, NOT fast bot! kids these days! lol) is the timer.
the timer could have a slight lag when u start the mission, or sometime during the mission which is unnoticeable. so the time sorta freezes for say, a millisecond. this can occur at the start, and also in numerous occasions throughout the mission. everything else, including the bot, moves at the same speed, but the timer just sometimes freezes up. what causes this freezing? if i knew, this topic probably wouldnt be here. this could also be looked at the other way around. the missions where the bot comes late, maybe its because the time skips a few milliseconds which eventually adds up and it seems like the bot is slower when actually the timer just skipped a few beats, and its too fast when u reach the bot. its easier to say the timer has a lag because of the many things that could influence such a lag in this game, rather than to say it goes fast.
in conclusion, i dont think that anything u do during ur mission will make the bot come faster, but rather, "lag the timer."
Post by: Your Eliteness on August 07, 2003, 02:06:00 am
Post by: Wouter Jansen on August 07, 2003, 04:41:00 am
well if you think you're right you can easily test it, get a good bot taped, and a bad bot taped. make sure they followed the same paths (haha). after that rewatch the runs and check the timers closely. then report here.
you see, never there was any good bot gotten when people have followed the bot, having it in sight all the time. It's probably about 137 speed every run (SA). but if things happen, probably the only reason can be warping then.. since if you follow it, of course you already open any doors for it, so it doesn't slow down.
Post by: Pernicious-B on August 07, 2003, 01:07:00 pm
I used that strat to get 2:16, and I think Dman might have tried it as well. I had a really fast bot on that run though, something like 1:31. Perhaps the camspy could be used in some other way to make the bot warp. Or not.
Post by: Lanky007 on August 07, 2003, 01:45:00 pm
not having done any research on the timer lag theory, it could also be possible that indeed the timer lags, and if u were to watch :49 bot vs say a :58 bot on two separate tv's in slow-mo, starting the run at the exact same time, u'd think u'd see the good bot run's timer go slower, or even sometimes stop slightly until eventually it reads a lower time than the :58 bot run. when i say timer lag, it need not be literally the timer that lags, but rather everything else in the game going faster.
this would mean that when watching the two separate runs, when the good bot's run is at :49, it is already opening the lasers for u, and the other one at this same instance is still going into the MOT (moment of truth) room. this would indeed disprove the theory, but what im saying is, what if the bot, and everything else in the game goes a bit faster at certain times, rather than the timer stop every millisecond, everything else in the game moves a bit faster this millisecond. so essentially, it is the same theory at work, but just a different way of looking at it.
dammit, im all confused on this issue now!
Post by: Wouter Jansen on August 07, 2003, 06:14:00 pm
Post by: Lanky007 on August 07, 2003, 09:41:00 pm
no, what i mean is not that everything goes faster, but rather that the relationship between the timer and gameplay is inconsistent.
Post by: Your Eliteness on August 07, 2003, 10:19:00 pm
Hmm...
Post by: Lanky007 on August 08, 2003, 02:25:00 am
in conclusion, i have no idea what im talking about, thus i cease to type. sleep time.
Post by: JugadorJ3 on August 08, 2003, 04:34:00 am