Author Topic: What should I play for? Control Agent (Read 4269 times)

Lecmasta · « **Reply #50 on:** December 10, 2006, 04:10:00 pm »

Control ftw !

Light · « **Reply #51 on:** December 10, 2006, 04:25:00 pm »

Control A 3:57

mrsooreams · « **Reply #52 on:** December 10, 2006, 04:29:00 pm »

If Bryan reckons he can get Statue 2:18 then he should go for it. 2:19 is not worth bothering with, other people have failed 2:19s and eventually one will complete.

stan-the-man-1 · « **Reply #53 on:** December 10, 2006, 04:31:00 pm »

Yeah exactly, someone's gonna get it soon anyway so if he doesn't he's gonna lose a WR...

silver angel · « **Reply #54 on:** December 10, 2006, 07:27:00 pm »

I vote for Runway 00, I've just watched this TAS run of 37 again, and I'm wondering how it is possible to do better...for a human, I might add

RWG · « **Reply #55 on:** December 10, 2006, 07:29:00 pm »

LOL you didn't see him go around some big box at the start? That lost 2 seconds alone lmao

SimThreat · « **Reply #56 on:** December 11, 2006, 04:16:00 am »

Play with her clit and breasts.

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #57 on:** December 11, 2006, 04:55:00 am »

The faster you finish with her clit, the faster it's your turn. The decision is clear.

Thiradell · « **Reply #58 on:** December 12, 2006, 12:04:00 am »

Maybe instead of talking about which one you should go for, you should go and get it.

I say get all three and then keep going.

matt8k · « **Reply #59 on:** December 12, 2006, 04:11:00 am »

I agree with the majority. Control sub 4.00.

SpiderWaffle · « **Reply #60 on:** December 15, 2006, 03:30:00 am »

If your serious about 2:18 I vote that cuase that will lower the total time the most (the other difficulties will drop as well)

ParaGod64 · « **Reply #61 on:** December 15, 2006, 08:41:00 am »

do control and you'll get a sweep back! (But as said don't just half *** it and get only 3:59) Other than that i'd say runway 22 and *maybe* dam 52, run definitely needs to happen though due to all the 23s.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #62 on:** December 15, 2006, 10:13:00 am »

if he needs to play for the most tied record, he'll have to get duel agent 0:02.

Boss · « **Reply #63 on:** December 19, 2006, 01:09:00 am »

Well not much to show for my progress today, just a couple 403s and a lot of bad fails/completes. I did have one run where I exited at 400 and it maybe had a shot, but the beginning was 1-2 sec bad compared to my 400. I will definitely start taping next time I play because I wasn't this whole time just trying to get my skill back. 357 really seems like a long shot without some big timesaver though.. but who knows getting a clean run on this long level is a lot to ask.

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #64 on:** December 19, 2006, 03:37:00 am »

Bit off more than you could chew eh.

bcks · « **Reply #65 on:** December 19, 2006, 03:55:00 am »

3:58 would be more impressive then most people think. I can't see lower then that, without a new timesaver being found.

octoinky · « **Reply #66 on:** December 19, 2006, 03:55:00 am »

Who needs chewing when you can let the bite sit in your mouth while your saliva digests it for you!

gogogo!

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #67 on:** December 19, 2006, 03:57:00 am »

Bosshardt does.

flukey lukey · « **Reply #68 on:** December 19, 2006, 05:55:00 am »

3:59 is insane enough, where the heck did 3:57 come from. oh well i hope you get that at least

Henning Blom · « **Reply #69 on:** December 19, 2006, 01:42:00 pm »

yeah..."just" a 3.59 would be insane and that by other words it would be good enought...good luck Bryan

Illu · « **Reply #70 on:** December 19, 2006, 04:22:00 pm »

Yeah sub 4 is the thing here really I think, though ofcourse lower than 3:59 would be awesome, though there's no knowing if 3:57 is really possible until it happens I think, just too much factors coming to play.

Sub 4 I think should happen, 3:58 would be among the best WRs definitely, and 3:57... well see sig

Boss · « **Reply #71 on:** December 20, 2006, 02:25:00 am »

Don't jump to conclusions here. I haven't even played 10 hours yet, had a couple 400 fails that may have completed. I still haven't had a really great start make it to the end.

AEB · « **Reply #72 on:** December 20, 2006, 08:30:00 am »

3:59 would be great!

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #73 on:** December 20, 2006, 06:04:00 pm »

Heh well thats not bad bryan! I failed another 4:09 today on a horrible horrible run. I find shooting natalya saves a ton more time than i thought earlier. Im hoping for 4:05 by tonight.

Boss · « **Reply #74 on:** December 21, 2006, 01:54:00 am »

I may have found that shooting Nat at 2nd meeting is NOT needed at all. That's why Ilari's pause thing "works". I'll be looking more into it.

Lovins · « **Reply #75 on:** December 21, 2006, 05:08:00 am »

Do you mean shooting her doesn't save time, or that it does but the same amount of time as pausing making pausing better becuz not hurting her?

Boss · « **Reply #76 on:** December 21, 2006, 05:31:00 am »

Well my run confirms that you don't need to shoot her at 2nd meet at all.

I didn't bother, and I knew the run was pretty good to that point. So yeah, no need to use silly shooting or pausing tricks for the 2nd meet.

bcks · « **Reply #77 on:** December 21, 2006, 05:52:00 am »

Sure its not luck at 2nd spot? Like she could be fast even if you do nothing?

Wyst3r · « **Reply #78 on:** December 21, 2006, 06:33:00 am »

Why the hell didn't i discover this when i did my Control TAS??

Well anyways, Awesome job finding this, it'll definately make my life alot easier if i at some strange point decide to play Control again.

vitor · « **Reply #79 on:** December 21, 2006, 11:40:00 am »

Weird. I don't get it. When you shoot her, doesn't she skip her animation and start talking/doing things faster? Wasn't that the purporse of shooting her at 2nd meeting?

mrsooreams · « **Reply #80 on:** December 21, 2006, 01:17:00 pm »

Conversely, are we still sure that shooting her the first time is actually useful?

Illu · « **Reply #81 on:** December 21, 2006, 01:36:00 pm »

Yeah I had runs too where I didn't shoot or pause at Nat during protect and still she was fast, though I was thinking shoothing or pausing makes her fast more consistent but maybe not. Surely shooting her or pausing makes the alarm go of faster but apparently she's then just slower between other messages or something.

Shooting her in the beginning though definitely saves time.

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #82 on:** December 23, 2006, 05:48:00 pm »

I did some investigating on Control last night and found out the following (before i saw this topic, of course)

- The first natalya part at the beginning, shooting her does indeed save time. She has three actions which she can do. One cannot be saved by a shot, the other two are about equal. So shooting first nat is required for a good time.

- Second nat meet makes no difference. Its totally random whether she is good or bad. I find theres about 3 things that can happen here. One is she farts around and alarm goes off in 8 seconds, other is almost 6 seconds, and the third which is the best is a little over 4 seconds. Its actually better not to shoot her here. Annoying though, ive had a LOT of sweet runs that felt like 4:02 ruined by the second natalya.

I dunno anything about her finish. Seems utterly random.

Infected Mind · « **Reply #83 on:** December 23, 2006, 05:51:00 pm »

I think bryan said the whole overall protection is fixed. certain messages may come up sooner/later, but it all confirms to a fixed time overall. Bryan correct me if im wrong

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #84 on:** December 23, 2006, 05:53:00 pm »

Yeah Id say second nat meet is equal to mishkin or valentine. I wonder if theres a way to make her finish faster at the end.

vitor · « **Reply #85 on:** December 23, 2006, 08:19:00 pm »

So basically: there's a bunch of animations that Nat can do on 2nd meeting. The fast of them is faster than if you shoot her to save time. Correct?

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #86 on:** December 23, 2006, 09:04:00 pm »

eh.. it's obvious she has 2 animations that really differ. it's for both of her hacking games. one she lifts her arm all the way up, the other she hits the direct object. she always does the all up one first time for first hack. but she can do 1 more and I'm sure then it's slower. but I managed to shoot her once she did that for her 3rd move and still get a good opening. for the 2nd hack, I doubt it saves any time to shoot her, unless she does all up move, then you better shoot her, so you won't lose time then I don't think. then just make sure she gets to her lovely table in the desired time, because she can be held up by a guard or not doing her warp or whatever.

if that 4/6/8 sec is correct, than I assume 6 sec is 1 all up move, 8 sec is 2, and that move loses 2 sec.

I think it should be looked into if the protection is slower if she does any all up moves during her hack. shoot her whenever she does, try to not let it happen and such.

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #87 on:** December 26, 2006, 05:47:00 pm »

You are correct wouter. If she holds her hand up, it goes slower. but something else i discovered (along with illu's word) is that the important thing with the protection scene is that she comes down as early as possible. Basically, if you lay the mine , blow it up and as you turn around see her already coming down the stairs, you got a "good natalya". if she is in the doorway its a "bad natalya". Once i got her to come down fast and judging by the music my run was at like 4:01 pace. I of course missed blowing both drones up and got killed by them, but it was amazingly fast. I am pretty sure bryan got this rare "fast natalya" on his 3:59

So basically...just hope she comes down fast. I dont know what causes her too, but we can just hope.

mrsooreams · « **Reply #88 on:** December 26, 2006, 05:52:00 pm »

So it's all about how quickly you can make Natalya come. Where's Jim Barrett when you need him?

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #89 on:** December 26, 2006, 06:42:00 pm »

1 phone call and she comes.

anyway... didn't you read my post? I already said that her coming down the stairs part is important.
"then just make sure she gets to her lovely table in the desired time, because she can be held up by a guard or not doing her warp or whatever."

and why the hell do you blow the drones on agent? and how the hell does failing that kill your run? lame..

advice: let natalya blow the drones, she must be experienced, since she blows.

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #90 on:** December 26, 2006, 06:57:00 pm »

Yeah thats a great idea, lets let the drones survive so we get raped on the way out and die every time. not to mention backboosts that slow you down, great call.

Lark · « **Reply #91 on:** December 26, 2006, 07:04:00 pm »

Screw you bitch, don't talk to wouter like that. You don't know @#%$ so shut your mouth you muthafucker.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #92 on:** December 26, 2006, 07:39:00 pm »

you have enough time to be backboosted since she needs to escape anyway, and if you can't live it, you'll have to practice getting hit less. the glass doesn't have to make you drown in your own blood..

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #93 on:** December 26, 2006, 08:04:00 pm »

Eh Id rather live in comfort knowing both drones are dead than worry about it. Its rare to get through glass fast with a lot of health left. it requires more luck than i bargain for to let drones live. especially both. one is okay usually, but both is a BAD idea.

Imperfect Clark · « **Reply #94 on:** December 26, 2006, 10:23:00 pm »

How is 3:57 Control agent possible? 0:36 Runway 00 agent also seems like an intractable pursuit..

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #95 on:** December 26, 2006, 10:27:00 pm »

You're way off on Runway.

Boss · « **Reply #96 on:** December 28, 2006, 02:48:00 am »

So yeah, I gotta do the 7 shot strat at this point. Unless I get my 400 start or better, 358 is a long shot.

Infected Mind · « **Reply #97 on:** December 28, 2006, 03:47:00 am »

Im not too bright, what is the 7 shot strat? Shooting all guards in first room with 1 clip? or is something with shooting nat numerous times?

Wyst3r · « **Reply #98 on:** December 28, 2006, 05:20:00 am »

It's 1 Clip all guards.

Imperfect Clark · « **Reply #99 on:** December 28, 2006, 05:23:00 am »

Okay, well someone explain how a 0:36 Runway run would go?

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