Author Topic: The New Strength of GE WRs Topic (Read 1567 times)

RWG · « **on:** June 10, 2006, 02:04:00 am »

Too many complaints so this is gone now.

Smit · « **Reply #1 on:** June 10, 2006, 03:24:00 am »

If 26 is the cakiest record ever, why can't I get it then?

bcks · « **Reply #2 on:** June 10, 2006, 04:02:00 am »

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The point is, this record is super easy, takes most of the top players no more than 15 minutes to do, and is really lame.

You've prolly lost your touch, and don't play ge like you used too, and not to knock you, but it took me 49 :27s, and 3-6 hours of trying to get it, so i suck too.

wishiwasfamous · « **Reply #3 on:** June 10, 2006, 04:03:00 am »

I agree with Eise

Wyst3r · « **Reply #4 on:** June 10, 2006, 04:11:00 am »

Not everyone can cake a 26, heck, i caked it when i got it but haven't even been able to duplicate it yet!

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No one has yet made a valiant effort to tie this WR

I have, and i got pretty damn close to 1:13. I'd say, when poeple decide to try for this record for real, It will be tied by many. It's gay yes, but not insanely difficult.

RWG · « **Reply #5 on:** June 10, 2006, 10:42:00 am »

how many hours Henrik? I knew you tried, but I have also put over 30 hours into it. That's just a normal amount of time to put into a record like that.

50 hours and I'd call it valiant.

silver angel · « **Reply #6 on:** June 10, 2006, 01:11:00 pm »

Goose, don't tell me you didn't consider Bunker 1 0'17 as the best Agent record before Mouser tied it (I don't say GE + PD record, nor even Goldeneye, only agent). It's just normal that we want the best record to be untied. The fact is, at the second Mouse tied Bunker 1 0'17, it stopped being the best record in the mind of many players. It happened the same for War 25 and Perfect Ace: that was shocking to us that a newcomer can tie the "best" PD time so easily, resulting of what it can't be the best.
What I think the best WR sould be, is the time for which the cumulated time spent on it by top players to achieve it, is maximum (considering all top players can achieve it if playing enough). I think it's safe to say that the time spent on Bunker 1 Agent is far superior to the time spent on Frigate Agent. That way, we can't really compare Frigate and Bunker 1, because we don't know whether other people would tie it if the amount of time spent on Frigate was the same as Bunker 1. I think an interesting point of view would be Wouter's one, in so far as he's done both times.
I acknowledge it's hard considering a tied time as the best, but I still want to believe Bunker 1 is the best. Of course, if it was tied by others, my mind would probably change, but the elite learnt to us that "best times are only known at the end"...

That being said, the rest of your rankings are well detailed, and I agree with most of what you say (except some comments, like for Depot 26, but

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Enjoyable reading, well done!

RWG · « **Reply #7 on:** June 10, 2006, 01:46:00 pm »

Don't worry silver, ask Bryan, Alex or anyone I ever discussed the best WRs with and I did in fact always consider 23 to be better than 17.

Infected Mind · « **Reply #8 on:** June 10, 2006, 01:58:00 pm »

ive always considered 23>17

Illu · « **Reply #9 on:** June 10, 2006, 03:03:00 pm »

Good job on that list Goose, it was really fun to read.

Of course we'll always have different opinions on lots of things though since the levels are so different and some levels we like some don't etc. I was thinking of saying something but don't know, maybe I need to think it over. Hmm well on Aztec SA it's still not quite the agent strat since I took out the console from the right side to avoid getting guards and it's umm yeah well you kind of put it good enough.

But yeah that was most just surviving the damn thing and I got it, still somehow that ended up being the hardest to get of my Aztec WRs because it was so hard to survive

I still haven't made up my mind on the top Agent WRs, I've never been quite sure on those, just 17sec is so short but I remember I got a run with an great run and the warp was perfect and I was surprised I didn't get it. Somehow I never made that but another 18vid that was 7boosts but it was really good too.

It's just the thing that if a level involves some big luckfactors that could end up falling to place anytime (17/22) or the big one on Frigate, though really 23 is so damn maxed with the hostages barely being able to escape for it and all but I don't dare to say much more on those since I don't have enough experience on those, especially Frigate.

Anyway I'm glad my efforts on the 1:17 paid of and I think 49 should definitely be up there too.

RWG · « **Reply #10 on:** June 10, 2006, 03:13:00 pm »

glad to hear you all like it.

The 00 list is now posted!

Illu · « **Reply #11 on:** June 10, 2006, 03:44:00 pm »

Damn that 00A was sweet too, probably pretty much how I'd put it too, no reason for me to make a list now unless I get in some weird mood and start posting some sick list for good laughs or something

silver angel · « **Reply #12 on:** June 10, 2006, 05:38:00 pm »

Okay Goose, there's no worry then!

I've just read 00 Agent, that was good too

And I completely agree with Depot 00 being the best 00 record

Infected Mind · « **Reply #13 on:** June 10, 2006, 11:14:00 pm »

Agent - List is almost exactly the same as Ryans, very hard to rank some of these times as they are so close to max and are very arguable

1 Frigate 23
2 Bunker 1 17
3 Runway 22
4 Control 400
5 Train 105
6 Streets 113
7 Aztec 134
8 Bunker 2 24
9 Silo 105
10 Statue 220
11 Dam 53
12 Cradle 34
13 Egypt 46
14 Surface 103
15 Surface 2 51
16 Jungle 53
17 Archives 16
18 Facility 47
19 Caverns 103
20 Depot 26

Secret Agent - matter of opinion

1 Dam 117
2 Silo 112
3 Control 413
4 Bunker 2 49
5 Depot 43
6 Train 129
7 Aztec 142
8 Jungle 57
9 Frigate 103
10 Caverns 123
11 Statue 220
12 Cradle 36
13 Bunker 1 23
14 Surface 1 150
15 Egypt 47
16 Archives 55
17 Surface 2 55
18 Facility 57
19 Streets 156
20 Runway 23

00 agent

1 Depot 50
2 Jungle 58
3 Aztec 149
4 Bunker 1 107
5 Train 156
6 Caverns 142 - I personally think this time is overated, an ntsc 1.2 player could probly take it down 2-5 seconds with dedication, but its not bad by any means
7 Control 417
8 Dam 159
9 Silo 131
10 Frigate 111
11 Statue 220
12 Bunker 2 106
13 Cradle 36
14 Egypt 47
15 Surface 1 150
16 Archives 55
17 Surface 2 132
18 Runway 38
19 Facility 57
20 Streets 156

TreAKAHotdog · « **Reply #14 on:** June 11, 2006, 10:56:00 pm »

i think you're all overestimating B2 00

Infected Mind · « **Reply #15 on:** June 12, 2006, 12:21:00 am »

its not great along with the other bottom 10 00 wrs

Boss · « **Reply #16 on:** June 12, 2006, 04:39:00 pm »

20. Depot 26 Runway 23 Streets 156
19. Caverns 103 Streets 156 Archives 55
18. Archives 16 Surface 2 55 Facility 57
17. Facility 47 Archives 55 Surface 2 132
16. Surface 2 51 Bunker 1 23 Surface 1 150
15. Jungle 53 Surface 1 150 Cradle 36
14. Surface 1 103 Cradle 36 Egyptian 47
13. Egyptian 46 Egyptian 47 Bunker 2 105
12. Cradle 34 Facility 56 Statue 220
11. Dam 53 Statue 220 Frigate 111
10. Silo 105 Caverns 123 Runway 37
9. Statue 220 Train 129 Silo 131
8. Aztec 134 Frigate 103 Dam 159
7. Bunker 2 24 Aztec 142 Control 417
6. Runway 22 Jungle 57 Train 156
5. Train 105 Control 413 Caverns 142
4. Control 400 Depot 43 Aztec 149
3. Streets 113 Silo 112 Bunker 1 107
2. Frigate 23 Bunker 2 49 Jungle 58
1. Bunker 17 Dam 117 Depot 50

60. Depot A 26
59. Runway SA 23
58. Caverns A 103
57. Streets 00A 156
56. Streets SA 156
55. Surface 2 SA 55
54. Archives A 16
53. Archives SA 55
52. Archives 00A 55
51. Facility A 47
50. Facility 00A 57
49. Bunker 1 SA 23
48. Surface 2 00A 132
47. Surface 1 SA 150
46. Surface 1 00A 150
45. Surface 2 A 51
44. Cradle SA 36
43. Jungle A 53
42. Cradle 00A 36
41. Egyptian 00A 47
40. Egyptian SA 47
39. Facility SA 56
38. Bunker 2 00A 105
37. Surface 1 A 103
36. Statue 00A 220
35. Statue SA 220
34. Egyptian A 46
33. Caverns SA 123
32. Frigate 00A 111
31. Train SA 129
30. Runway 00A 37
29. Frigate SA 103
28. Cradle A 34
27. Silo 00A 131
26. Dam A 53
25. Silo A 105
24. Dam 00A 159
23. Aztec SA 142
22. Statue A 220
21. Control 00A 417
20. Aztec A 134
19. Jungle SA 57
18. Control SA 413
17. Train 00A 156
16. Depot SA 43
15. Caverns 00A 142
14. Aztec 00A 149
13. Bunker 2 A 24
12. Silo SA 112
11. Bunker 1 00A 107
10. Runway A 22
9. Bunker 2 SA 49
8. Train A 105
7. Jungle 00A 58
6. Control A 400
5. Streets A 113
4. Depot 00A 50
3. Frigate A 23
2. Bunker 1 A 17
1. Dam SA 117

Wyst3r · « **Reply #17 on:** July 03, 2006, 04:31:00 am »

Does 1:05 Train really seem that good that it deserves to be the 8th best wr in GE??

Maybe it's just me but records like Control 4:13, Silo 1:12, B1 1:07 and Aztec 1:49 should be ranked higher.

And i think Streets 1:13 is still overestimated.

Infected Mind · « **Reply #18 on:** July 03, 2006, 08:41:00 am »

how is egypt 00 47 worse then egypt sa 47 o_O

Boss · « **Reply #19 on:** July 03, 2006, 03:26:00 pm »

Well someday it'll be easier to get boosts on 00A. Basically though, the levels are exactly the same and ties are gay. Yeah 113 probably is overrated, but it gets played a lot and no one else has tied it yet hmmm. It beats Runway 22 in my book.

RWG · « **Reply #20 on:** July 03, 2006, 03:58:00 pm »

1:13 is awesome. 1:05 is almost as awesome.

Seriously Henrik, no one knows how to play train except you.

Streets 1:13 is probably same thing as runway 22, just more maxed and a longer level. Similar in that everyone is 1 second behind. True, with 2XL GL cheat on and using only 6 boosts, its cake, but then again with all guns cheat S2 SA 53 is cake too

mrsooreams · « **Reply #21 on:** August 17, 2006, 08:04:00 am »

Any chance of an update to this, (B)Ryan?

RWG · « **Reply #22 on:** August 17, 2006, 11:16:00 am »

DONE

bcks · « **Reply #23 on:** August 19, 2006, 04:44:00 am »

Man, wtfxer,
ffs keep the write up for every level, it was nice.

Also ranking the 2.what-the-@#%$-ever-control-style's shouldn't even be considered, it's co-op ffs. :rolleyes

Depots should not be sliping at all.

What you think there gonna be allowed or something for the normal ranks? :lol

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #24 on:** August 19, 2006, 05:02:00 am »

yeah wtf. you let them slip heaps considering how good they are. and a new strat hasn't even been pulled off. obviously people can't play it well when it saves like 3 seconds and they can't even beat 52. it would be like putting aztec 00 20th cuz you can do the agent strat on it ffs

Troublesome Moral Code · « **Reply #25 on:** August 19, 2006, 08:22:00 am »

I'm gonna have to side with w00t and hitler on this one... I did like the writeups too, your thoughts on things pwn.

Also, records should not "slip" because of ties. Consider the strat, luck involved, and possibilities for things generally going wrong (this goes along with the player's skill... For example, shooting cameras on B2. how fast, how accurate, etc). DON'T consider time spent or how many people have it. I'll have a reason why soon, I have to think of one.

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Okay I have a reason.
The reason you shouldn't consider ties and time is because you can spend 100 hours to get it right, or 2 hours and get it right. Consider B1 17 or even any other insane untied that may have been tied fast (past or present). Ilari tied it fast because the conditions to get that record presented themselves in the proper manner. His skill, reaction time, and knowledge all kicked in (probably in more different amounts) and he was able to take full advantage of said conditions.
Also consider Runway 22. I got it for the same reason, but the only difference was that I wasn't expecting it to happen. It was pure luck with the guard and the drone boosts. I could have NOT had that last drone boost and I'd still have 23 right now.

mrsooreams · « **Reply #26 on:** August 19, 2006, 09:00:00 am »

I think you should consider ties, but demoting two of the greatest records of all time by several places just because someone has suggested a slightly better and considerably harder strat that has never even come close to being pulled off successfully? That's just too much. Still, good way to generate discussion...

And yeah, I liked your comments too.

RWG · « **Reply #27 on:** August 19, 2006, 11:05:00 am »

I think I should consider removing the whole topic if you guys don't like it anymore :rolleyes

another thing you have to consider is being high ranked I get all the info on everything. ie: whoarded ties that took 4 hours or something for WRs not on the ranks.

2.3 is acceptable in normal ranks if 1 person can pull it off. Its not cheating at all.

if you guys didn't notice before, I made like 1 or 2 new write ups before. I have all the old ones saved so next update I can put them back if you really want. Just they got old. Maybe I'll make them for only new WRs or something.

also, when a WR gets tied, we see sometimes how overestimated it was. look at cradle SA 36 for example. It was long considered one of the best WRs. Boss then got it fast, and I got it in 20 minutes, so it obviously has to drop.

Get over 20 WRs then and tell me how to do this. Only Wouter I'll listen to here.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #28 on:** August 19, 2006, 11:30:00 am »

I don't think the 2.x should be allowed, you'll only go to extra heights to try and "cake" an untied with a clearly worse run that just uses a 3+ sec timesaver (or so) PLUS you NEED TWO controllers, while only 1 should be accepted. if we allow 2 controllers, I'm gonna use turbo controllers and the like.

if you want to discuss, give clear reasons why 2 controllers should be allowed.. you're playing by yourselves after all.

RWG · « **Reply #29 on:** August 19, 2006, 11:33:00 am »

Well I put in description or type-up or w/e. But I really half-assed it since w/e.

anyhow, I think the-elite's governing body should decide on this control style issue.

Illu · « **Reply #30 on:** August 19, 2006, 12:37:00 pm »

Well it'd be at least awesome to see some levels best time drop lower than the WR even if done with some of the two controller style settups. If it should be allowed on the ranks or not is another question, well the best time changes, but ofcourse then it's not like 1 player anymore even though you could say y.. well best would be if two good players teamed up with it.

And Goose, we like the topic, just some didn't have the same opinion but it's always like that, keep updating, and anyone can still have their say.

mrsooreams · « **Reply #31 on:** August 19, 2006, 04:56:00 pm »

What Illu said. I don't agree with some of your choices, but you can't please everyone and I respect your opinion. Also my opinion doesn't count for @#%$ because I have Depot 29.

bcks · « **Reply #32 on:** August 19, 2006, 05:27:00 pm »

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2.3 is acceptable in normal ranks if 1 person can pull it off. Its not cheating at all.

How would you prove only 1 person did it?

RWG · « **Reply #33 on:** August 19, 2006, 05:44:00 pm »

for all we know, any of us could be two people. One person strafes while the other shoots

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #34 on:** August 19, 2006, 05:48:00 pm »

yes, we are all Eric Habrich

deletedprofile.u · « **Reply #35 on:** August 19, 2006, 11:05:00 pm »

If it's such a big deal, we should just ban ALL times!

mrsooreams · « **Reply #36 on:** October 11, 2006, 04:25:00 am »

Thanks for the update!

Jimbo · « **Reply #37 on:** October 11, 2006, 01:27:00 pm »

B1 23 isn't THAT bad

RWG · « **Reply #38 on:** October 11, 2006, 02:44:00 pm »

actually, you're right. I might change that sometime soon. Its actually a good time and the only reason it has so many ties is cause you, Alex and Ace are naturally talented at it, and then the points value forces guys like boss, Illu, Wouter to tie it. Yea well, I'll edit this now I guess. You bring up a valid point sir.

Illu · « **Reply #39 on:** October 11, 2006, 03:35:00 pm »

lol Jimbo always used to say that 23 sucks before, like well maybe not sucks but just not that good, but I guess it deserves a bit better placement than that.

Well dunno 13th.. I guess, it's not that hard, it's just inconsistent stuff but short level so you get it together sooner or later if you keep trying, a little harder for 1.1 though, can't really cruise it.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #40 on:** October 11, 2006, 03:49:00 pm »

eh? it should totally be 22.

also, egypt 46 has been tied.

Illu · « **Reply #41 on:** November 16, 2006, 06:14:00 pm »

Good you didn't overestimate my new Aztec records Goose, since I think I can still improve them

It's really hard to rank those really, I don't know how much I can push the glass to open faster really but for now they are great ofcourse since no one else is close.

There's lots that could happen, SA taking the left console out like on agent to get faster in the vents, I've had decent attempts already, though only one completion so far (1:44

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Agent still should go faster with the pausing in front of the drones even though it may be not that usefull as I thought at first.

00A I guess the no BA strat will be a bitch to do since I get SA completions really rarely but we'll see.

Luring the guard behind MF, heh Stevens strat, wonder if that'll ever work

surely it'd be fast.

Cervone · « **Reply #42 on:** November 16, 2006, 09:03:00 pm »

Depot SA 0:43 is at the very best an average WR...

RWG · « **Reply #43 on:** November 16, 2006, 09:34:00 pm »

ah yea I was gonna change that since boss tied it but I forgot while I was updating that one. yea yea I'll fix it later tonight I guess

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #44 on:** November 16, 2006, 10:24:00 pm »

why fix it, you'd have to rewrite almost the whole thing if you want to do it right.

Boss · « **Reply #45 on:** November 16, 2006, 11:47:00 pm »

Troublesome Moral Code · « **Reply #46 on:** November 17, 2006, 01:29:00 am »

That's because he rates WRs differently than say, me

We had a huge arguement over this once :lol

Infected Mind · « **Reply #47 on:** November 17, 2006, 01:34:00 am »

Isnt it all opinions any ways?

RWG · « **Reply #48 on:** November 17, 2006, 01:57:00 am »

The bond between Bryan/Wouter on the boards is stronger than that of Dayle/Come. You'd think the guys were...

ah nevermind :rolleyes

flukey lukey · « **Reply #49 on:** November 17, 2006, 02:43:00 am »

you two sound just like Snape and Dumbledoor. So if my prediction is correct, Wouter will kill Bosshardt, which i can see happening anyway

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