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Assassin22 · « **Reply #350 on:** October 31, 2005, 04:01:00 am »

Ok I just watched Alex's Frigate(sa) 1:06 and noticed a few seconds of mistakes, but my question is are the hostages gay like agent, because he exited level with no objective:a completed on the screen :0

Infected Mind · « **Reply #351 on:** October 31, 2005, 04:34:00 am »

hostages are less gay then frigate agent, but still extremely gay

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #352 on:** October 31, 2005, 02:55:00 pm »

I plan to beat the hell out of frigate sa anyway.

RWG · « **Reply #353 on:** October 31, 2005, 06:26:00 pm »

Is it actually more likely for hostage escapes when you fail something?

On agent it took 2 hostage complete, fails before a 26 complete, and now on SA its 3 hostage complete, fails and 1 new strat complete.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #354 on:** October 31, 2005, 06:48:00 pm »

it would seem so

silver angel · « **Reply #355 on:** November 01, 2005, 08:46:00 pm »

Sorry for being late, but Congrats Wouter!!
I don't know how long this 1'12 will stay, but for instance, it's untied, and it's a 300 points level!

Also Congrats for Bryan who *almost* had a WR with 1'13, but I'm sure he'll repare this in the next days

RWG · « **Reply #356 on:** November 02, 2005, 02:01:00 am »

Since depot 26 was so simple, I'm kind of half-ass trying for 25. I don't know if its doable. What do other people think? Should I go for it or stop trying? I think 1 boost would do it.

Infected Mind · « **Reply #357 on:** November 02, 2005, 03:02:00 am »

i dont think 25 is possible

i have like 8 or so 26s, yes 26 is cake but 25 is just basically impossible

Wyst3r · « **Reply #358 on:** November 02, 2005, 04:25:00 am »

Yes but remember the fact that poeple have said the same thing like...a million times by now. But i agree with you, On the levels where the "max" was beaten there were random factors, On Depot there isn't except for the roller door which doesn't make any speed diffrence in this case.

Of course you could hope for a boost, Some glitchy guards who doesn't need a trainshot to open roller door and possibly less strafe changes inside the house.

SpiderWaffle · « **Reply #359 on:** November 02, 2005, 07:23:00 am »

Couldn't someone try with a slomo emulator to find out? A second is a lot though, if it's possible it would be really really hard.

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #360 on:** November 02, 2005, 07:39:00 am »

Could shooting to alert guards a) actually alert them b) increase the chances of getting a boost or a few?

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #361 on:** November 02, 2005, 08:40:00 am »

you'll have to be aware though that the shooting also makes lag.

RWG · « **Reply #362 on:** November 02, 2005, 08:29:00 pm »

I was thinking of shooting for boosts. It would cause lag, but I think the boost would outweight it.

Also, some 26 are total crap and the strafing sucks. Others have good strafing and must be low 26s. Even a very fast train shot could maybe do it. Who knows.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #363 on:** November 02, 2005, 08:41:00 pm »

TAS could find out.

johnnyintheechocafe · « **Reply #364 on:** November 02, 2005, 08:47:00 pm »

I percieved the minimum possible time as being about 26.5. 25 is stupid, because as it has been said, there are no speedups.

When the record was 27, many thought that was maxed. The 26 really had to be 'squeezed' out. And you mention seeing crap 26s......well ive seen Moores, Peters, my own, Wouters, Grahams, Bryans. And there were no obvious mistakes at all in any of them. My belief was that any noteable stuckage condemned you to 27.

25 - IMPOSSIBLE. I could play a perfect run now, and have 27 come up. I just know it. People playing for 26 will have had several runs with no apparent mistakes, giving low 27s. Then eventually one of them is a 26.9, and you cheer and rest. Knowing 110% that you have the record FOREVER.

The only way it could be beaten, is if there was a way to warp through the fence. But there isnt, so.......

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RWG · « **Reply #365 on:** November 02, 2005, 08:55:00 pm »

I've done several 26s, and some have music at least 0.3 seconds ahead of another 26.

but fine, I'll stop trying.

Although I think Wouter did say "25 will probably be done" although I can't find the quote. And you know what happens when wouter says a tim will be done.........

johnnyintheechocafe · « **Reply #366 on:** November 02, 2005, 09:07:00 pm »

I saw the quote. And its ma
ssively audacious. There is a time limit anyway, both he and Bryan would (and should) have progressed with their lives enough to be away from this gaming hellhole, within a few years. And the elite will die, with 26 as the record. I dont think its possible. And i think i am knowledgeable enough to be able to say that with weight.

The guards never boost you, for sure. There is one who shoots at you before the first gate. And he's boosted me about twice EVER on 00A. I dont think he ever does on agent. EVER. As for the train guys, a boost going into the train is not uncommon. But again, thats mainly a 00A thing. I don't think ive ever had it on SA even let along agent. Boost on agent probably once every 50 thousand runs. Good luck being "on a blinder" when the boost comes.
And its not enough anyway. It implies 26.2 w/o is possible. No way.

I used to joke with Peter about 26 being impossible, and he proved me wrong when he got it. But i was less knowledgeable back then, having played much less.

It is also bizarre that you have more 26s than Bryan.

It would be nice if accurate level geometry could be determined, along with Bond's maximum strafe speed, in m/s say. Then we could work out the "racing line" for Bond, and the time taken to cover it

johnnyintheechocafe · « **Reply #367 on:** November 02, 2005, 09:16:00 pm »

What is also weird, is how easily a n00b like yourself gets the time (and again and again....), because the strat hasnt changed since 2000. Sterling Neblett's 27 is exactly the same idea (it pretty much has to be). So, the star of 2000 cant get 26, but the n00b of 2005 can? Funny how it happens....goes from barely possible to easyish.

RWG · « **Reply #368 on:** November 02, 2005, 11:08:00 pm »

I have more 26 than Bryan because I likely have playe more trying for 26. Alex said he has even more than myself.

In 2000, sterling had 27 after 3 years of playing the game. I got 26 now 8 years after playing the game. Everyone has a few levels they're good at, and a few they're not so good at.

Anyways, who know about 25. Screw it. I'm playing SA now. :evil

Cervone · « **Reply #369 on:** November 03, 2005, 02:00:00 am »

Some thoughts...

IMO to have any shot at 25 you'd need 2 boosts on a perfect run. Shooting around doesn't attract guards at all, so the odds of 2 boosts are very horrible. 25 might be theoretically possible, but it's probably easier to do Streets A 1:12 than Depot 25.

What would be a bit interesting to see now would be for somebody to do a 26 without any lookdown at all (old style). I'll bet it's doable, but must confess to never having experimented.

DYM · « **Reply #370 on:** November 03, 2005, 08:54:00 am »

Can I try 25 on an Emulator?

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #371 on:** November 03, 2005, 04:27:00 pm »

I don't know, do you have the abilities?

Troublesome Moral Code · « **Reply #372 on:** November 03, 2005, 06:09:00 pm »

Yeah PA, I've never seen any of your GE stuff. Do you even have GE?

johnnyintheechocafe · « **Reply #373 on:** November 03, 2005, 08:21:00 pm »

lol, teh analogy to War 25 :lol

shame you cant pick up a phoenix here

bcks · « **Reply #374 on:** November 03, 2005, 09:12:00 pm »

Cough, a gl would do the trick too, you can boost 4 to 5 times with the gl on agent before dieing.

Boss · « **Reply #375 on:** November 04, 2005, 12:32:00 am »

Why doesn't someone use the 2x GL cheat and see how many boosts they need to get 25.

DYM · « **Reply #376 on:** November 04, 2005, 03:24:00 am »

yea, I have GE (although my pr is 29 :lol

) and I might try using the GL.

Edit - Need 2 perfect GL boosts and Decent Strafing for 25. So, where are you gonna get 2 boosts from?

Wyst3r · « **Reply #377 on:** November 04, 2005, 06:35:00 am »

Well on 00A you can get 1 boost. So the chance for a boost on Agent is very small. Lookup might help a bit but not enough. In other words, 2 boosts aint happening.

Btw, PA, did you actually do 25 with 2 GL boosts?

DYM · « **Reply #378 on:** November 04, 2005, 10:05:00 am »

I did 25 with Slo-mo and 2 GL boosts

Soft-Hedwig · « **Reply #379 on:** November 04, 2005, 10:20:00 am »

Slow-mo? Slow animation?

Arnie

DYM · « **Reply #380 on:** November 04, 2005, 10:28:00 am »

yes, Slow animation

Djie · « **Reply #381 on:** November 04, 2005, 01:11:00 pm »

That doesnt change anything does it? I thought Slow Animation slowed guards down....

Saint Shang · « **Reply #382 on:** November 04, 2005, 01:34:00 pm »

They shoot for longer if im not mistaken on Slo-mo.

DYM · « **Reply #383 on:** November 04, 2005, 02:55:00 pm »

I used Slo-mo in Gameshark cheats.

Nightcom-II · « **Reply #384 on:** November 04, 2005, 05:00:00 pm »

Give me the Slo-mo gameshark code, I've been searching for that forever.

Saint Shang · « **Reply #385 on:** November 04, 2005, 05:41:00 pm »

While we on the subject of Gamesharks, i was looking for one a few weeks ago on ebay,but does anybody know if they work with Pal systems? The guy selling em didn`t know himself. The current cheat cart ive got keeps crashing every now and then, not too reliable.

SpiderWaffle · « **Reply #386 on:** November 04, 2005, 06:20:00 pm »

Can you do it with one boost? If not then I think it's fair to say it will never happen.

johnnyintheechocafe · « **Reply #387 on:** November 04, 2005, 08:34:00 pm »

There are not enough spare tenths, no way. If 26 had to be squeezed out (as it was), then its only possible to go a couple of tenths under. 26.5 is a boundary at best.

I'd love to see 1.02 Caverns agent. Even if it meant i'd lost a record, it would be awesome. And more achievable than 25. If you look at my 1.03 run, that boost into the lift was a massive timesaver, but i got 0/0 through the drones. With 2 forward boosts from the guards, it could have been 1.02. Definitely should be in someones pipeline........

RWG · « **Reply #388 on:** November 04, 2005, 10:04:00 pm »

Caverns 102 is way more achievable than depot 25. I've done it cheated with only 3 boosts. I've also done 103 cheated with 0/0 boosts. It is indeed much harder uncheated due to incredible guard gayness, but 102 should happen, whereas 25 is just obscene.

I was playing though, and 104 is hard.........

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #389 on:** November 05, 2005, 08:30:00 am »

you're wrong, it isn't the guard gayness that makes 1:02 hard to achieve, it's the LAG that the moving enemies produce which they do not when you have invisibility on. count on it, you'll need more than 3 boosts currently for 1:02.

RWG · « **Reply #390 on:** November 05, 2005, 01:34:00 pm »

guard gayness = lag from guards

........and more

wishiwasfamous · « **Reply #391 on:** November 05, 2005, 01:55:00 pm »

For the second boost when going for 25, won't you need the full effect of the boost to save the most amount of time? My point is, you need the guard to hit you once he sees you, or else you'll get only half a boost, as the cinema screws any chance of time saving. Or am I mistaken?

johnnyintheechocafe · « **Reply #392 on:** November 05, 2005, 08:05:00 pm »

I'm not sure what you mean......

there is a thing on Runway, where if you get shot right before the plane, the screen fades out as normal, then the plane image flashes back up. Whenever that happened, the clock seems to be slower. On blatant 23s (agent), that can cause 24.

The same could happen on Depot - is that what you mean?

H

wishiwasfamous · « **Reply #393 on:** November 05, 2005, 08:43:00 pm »

Pretty much. But I don't think it's the fact that the image pops up again.

johnnyintheechocafe · « **Reply #394 on:** November 05, 2005, 09:14:00 pm »

Ok yeah....well if the image didnt pop up, you wouldnt have lost time, but you only have to be 0.5 from the end to have a good change of full boost utilisation.

Anyway........no one will ever get 25.

PerfectTaste · « **Reply #395 on:** November 05, 2005, 09:25:00 pm »

1:02 Caverns is defenitly possible! Get a very smooth run and some standard and un-usual boosts.

johnnyintheechocafe · « **Reply #396 on:** November 05, 2005, 10:23:00 pm »

No one said it wasnt. Just tuff

Get the lift boost, two at the drones, one after the start, one as you go through the toroid room (

), one as you head into the big door zone....6 would be enough

Mines though......i am certain something could be botched. There is a way of angling up mines when you are on the spiral, and then switching back to weapon and shooting, but it would have to be done perfectly, i havent managed one yet. Other than that, they ought to be able to boost you like runway grenades, but the curvature and gradient (plus timing delay) makes that very unlikely indeed. Oooooh. I should devote the rest of my GE time to untieing this record in spectacular fashion :rollin

RWG · « **Reply #397 on:** November 05, 2005, 10:40:00 pm »

actually theres way more boosts

-beginning thru first doors
-after first AR33 guy
-going into round room
-inside round room
-another one by the AR33 guy boosting you by the next 3 guards
-going towards last hall
-thru drone
-into lift

So thats 8, plus 6 mines = 14/0 ratio? :eek

That would be too obscene

bcks · « **Reply #398 on:** November 05, 2005, 10:48:00 pm »

Quote

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-thru drone -into lift

At the end tunnel, you can get 3 or 4 even. I've seen 3 before, and i think others had did 4, maybe.

I would say 10-11 boosts are possible, i think there are a few rare boosts you can get aswell. Like i remember leaveing the round room before and geting one just after passing the doors there.

johnnyintheechocafe · « **Reply #399 on:** November 05, 2005, 10:56:00 pm »

You wouldnt get them all on the same run though. I was looking at a realistic target

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