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« Reply #650 on: November 05, 2008, 06:30:00 pm »
Because they want to!

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« Reply #651 on: November 05, 2008, 08:00:00 pm »
DARKNESS ASCENDS EVERYONE!

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« Reply #652 on: November 06, 2008, 02:15:00 am »
Finally, because why has this 33 pages of sex gone on for so long?

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« Reply #653 on: November 06, 2008, 02:23:00 am »
Because they want to!

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« Reply #654 on: November 06, 2008, 02:31:00 am »
Quote from: RWhiteGoose
What part of the "truth" says that we can't do this, and don't give me a Biblical passage please.

How can he not give you a biblical passage? Everything he believes comes from the bible.

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« Reply #655 on: November 06, 2008, 12:03:00 pm »
true indeed, Karl

Proverbs 13:9 - The light of the righteous shines brightly, but the lamp of the wicked is snuffed out.

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« Reply #656 on: November 06, 2008, 12:08:00 pm »
so where in that does it say "don't sin, even though if you sin you won't go to Hell because God loves you forever."???
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« Reply #657 on: November 06, 2008, 12:12:00 pm »
Ryan, pleaaaaase stop acting like you're all dumb. You know this stuff yourself. Like, if you rape everyone in the world you sinned, but because god loves you I will still go to heaven. What a bunch of nonsense and you know it!

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« Reply #658 on: November 06, 2008, 12:15:00 pm »
sounds like a good deal to me tbh. Just believe in God and have faith and spread the word, and you can do as many immoral things as you want and still get into Heaven. Sounds like the deal of a lifetime!
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« Reply #659 on: November 06, 2008, 12:35:00 pm »
I think you also have to live by the ten commandments, otherwise no 954 virgins for you!

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« Reply #660 on: November 06, 2008, 03:26:00 pm »
HE IS THE 954 VIRGINS

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« Reply #661 on: November 06, 2008, 03:34:00 pm »
*the-elite is the 954 virgins.
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« Reply #662 on: November 06, 2008, 03:35:00 pm »
You're the devil! 666!

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« Reply #663 on: November 06, 2008, 03:41:00 pm »
James 2 talks about faith without works being dead several times. This means that if you do not justify and prove that you have faith in God by living it out...your faith will die. Our faith has to be living and active and we keep it active by doing good things and striving not to sin.
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« Reply #664 on: November 06, 2008, 05:07:00 pm »
ahh, thank you for clearing that up Tyler. Though I must say that I do believe in the word of God and I know that what I am doing is wrong... I just enjoy it and don't care to correct it. I feel like I promote the word of God to others and encourage them to learn about these ways, and use myself as an example of a bad Christian and not something they should strive for. IMO that's being a pretty good Christian to me.

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« Reply #665 on: November 06, 2008, 11:41:00 pm »
So you're being a bad Christian and a pretty good Christian simultaneously? My goodness.
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« Reply #666 on: November 08, 2008, 01:43:00 am »
Check out this all new Christian signature. Merry Christmas boys!!!!
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« Reply #667 on: November 08, 2008, 08:22:00 am »

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« Reply #668 on: November 09, 2008, 10:36:00 pm »
after reading the past 5 pages of this topic i think i have got a clear understanding of "religion"

you cant just believe, you have to change how you live, striving everyday... which then i will conclude that probably only 1% of christians get into heaven

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« Reply #669 on: November 11, 2008, 04:45:00 pm »
"Dayle - The thing I love about you is that you are a courageous outer of bullshit artists and at the same time a huge softie. It's no wonder that somebody who is a bit of a bullshit artist would have an issue with you."

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« Reply #670 on: November 11, 2008, 05:14:00 pm »
That was one of the most impressive rants I've ever heard in terms of passion and delivery. Great speaker that man is.
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« Reply #671 on: November 11, 2008, 05:31:00 pm »
I think that dayle was more hoping for an reply about the context of the speech, then about the quality of his speechskills

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« Reply #672 on: November 11, 2008, 05:46:00 pm »
I have nothing to reply to the speech content. Everything he brought up were good points. Personally, I always make the wrong decision in life, so I will continue to be against gay marriage, though I don't really understand why anyone else is.
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« Reply #673 on: November 11, 2008, 11:21:00 pm »
while that guy did speak compassionately about what i suppose he believes in-i wonder in all sincerity who's standards and morales he lives by. it sounded an awful lot like it was his own made up rule system that he was speaking from. and if that was the case then he is in just as much of a need as the next man, woman and child of the love of Christ! that's one trick the devil uses very effectively against the world and against God in that he mixes some truth (or even a lot of truth) with lies and deceit and throws people into confusion and unrest! for a smaller example look at rat poison. its ingredients are like 95% good and even healthy. the other 5% is what kills the rats, the part that was actually poisonous! perhaps he (the guy that was speaking) should go read his bible! the bible is definitely NOT stacked against love, but those that believe in Christ and Him who was crucified are stacked AGAINST SIN!!! the God that granted me and so many others eternal life AND which stands offering ALL OF YOU THAT READ THIS eternal life is the God that HATES sin, self-seeking hearts, pride, lust (of ANY kind) and homosexuality!!! get used to it because He will NEVER change! He DOES NOT hate homosexuals so don't even try to twist it around with a play on words!!!

Christ > homosexuality


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« Reply #674 on: November 12, 2008, 05:09:00 am »
oh, so when yuo say something, while not capable of thinking for yourself, it just has to be true? you just MAKE UP your own god, fitting in his personality as you see fit.. in this case you want that people don't 'sin', and think you can form some kind of argument by talking about a silly ideal of your own. is this god person male? if so, YOU are probably gay.
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« Reply #675 on: November 12, 2008, 05:47:00 am »
God isn't a person and doesn't have gender...
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« Reply #676 on: November 12, 2008, 08:23:00 am »
then it's not capable of doing what afan said.
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« Reply #677 on: November 12, 2008, 08:38:00 am »
God created homosexuals. What people didn't realise when the bible was written, was that homosexuality was biological and not a choice.

The god that the bible speaks of is a piece of shit. Only the people lucky enough not to be born gay, muslim, hindu, buddhist or any other culture of the world would think otherwise. Everyone on this earth is born a human. They aren't born christian, or cathlotic, or gay, or rich, or poor, or any of the fucked labels society uses to categories people.

I pity those who believe in the bible. Yes, it has some good suggestions, but they are destroyed by hundreds of contradictions. Any truly wise man would admit that even if he thinks his beliefs are true, he could never dismiss those of another. And he would never attempt to withhold freedom, happiness and success from ANYONE, EVER, whether it be in this life or the next, simply because of what the other believes in.

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« Reply #678 on: November 12, 2008, 08:52:00 am »
Also, I am SICK TO DEATH of bible preachers trying to claim a moral monopoly. We are genetically designed to have morals. Just like a cat is born with the knowledge of how to hunt. Just like a bird is born with the knowledge of how to mate. Why would it seem logical to assume that every single animal on the planet is born with the knowledge of how to survive and act appropriately to it's kind, yet humans are the exception.

Human nature may not be what everyone thinks of as 'perfect', but it is what it is. I think MOST people are GOOD people, but in our society there are FEW that have ALL of the power. In this kind of power inbalance the selfish people will always rise to the top of the pyramid. The truly decent people do not want power, they want power to be spread amongst the entire population. It is only the people that want power that will go after it, and people who want power by nature are those who would be inclined to go to war and take freedom and wealth from others.

Humans have problems, but this has never stopped them from surviving as a species. You will find almost every species will have their problems. I do believe that we can solve these problems using our intelligence, but it will not be for a while. The answer is not religion and it is not politics. Religions teaches us to grant success and happiness only to those who believe as we do. The only way for this world to change is if every belief is treasured. Politics can only create laws, it cannot love or recieve love. The answer lies in the human spirit. I believe humans as a whole are amazing and giving, but again, it is the currupt that are in power. And it is the currupt that bring us into war, and poverty.

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« Reply #679 on: November 12, 2008, 11:56:00 am »
Could you maybe give an example of a few of the Bible's contradictions, Karl? God did not create homosexuals, homosexuals are people (according to the Bible) who have given in to their sin and been consumed with lustful passions for one another.
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« Reply #680 on: November 12, 2008, 12:04:00 pm »
*awaits anyone who can post a biblical contradiction*


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« Reply #681 on: November 12, 2008, 12:36:00 pm »
Sure, these aren't in the exact words of the bible, but close enough:

- "The day of your birth and the day of your death were planned by God before you were born." | I have a serious fucking problem with this, because this makes me believe that every rape, murder, and abortion were planned by God too and that we're just puppets fulfilling his ridiculous plan; why imprison murderers for doing something miraculous and set out by God?

- "Pray and your prayers will be answered". | Sucks to be an amputee I guess, why's that? Because God cannot heal physical wounds, only the body can and the body cannot regenerate limbs ffs.

- "I will return" - I haven't fucking seen Jesus even in my days of deep belief, has anyone else? I doubt he's coming back because he WASN'T THE SAVIOR.

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« Reply #682 on: November 12, 2008, 01:35:00 pm »
There's no hope of trying to use rational discussion with two class-A pillocks like Afan and Thiradell so can we just shut this topic?

And for the record:

http://www.infidels.org/l...bible-contradictions.html

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« Reply #683 on: November 12, 2008, 05:43:00 pm »
hey Durk - http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm#101 - anything else buddy?

*weak* Durk fails...again


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« Reply #684 on: November 12, 2008, 07:32:00 pm »
lol at how 90% of the answers to the contradictions are about not taking things at face value. But I'm sorry, you DO take the bible at face value.....don't you?

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« Reply #685 on: November 12, 2008, 11:45:00 pm »
Ugh, Durk. Most of those "contradictions" are taking verses out of context and seeming to pit them against each other. Take short passages out of lawbooks and you can make them seem to contradict.

Jim:
-People get raped and murdered, etc. because of sin. God allowed sin into the world because He allowed Adam and Eve to choose what they wanted, and they eventually chose sin.
-"Pray and your prayers will be answered" does not imply that they will be answered "Yes."
-I don't know when, but He's comin'.
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« Reply #686 on: November 12, 2008, 11:57:00 pm »
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.

6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning-the second day.

9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning-the third day.

14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fourth day.

20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fifth day.

24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the sixth day.
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« Reply #687 on: November 12, 2008, 11:58:00 pm »
also, I agree that it will be AWESOME when Jesus comes back down and gathers all the Christians to fight against the Anti-Christ. I hope I'm alive for it because that will be such an epic battle.
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« Reply #688 on: November 13, 2008, 01:33:00 am »
where in the bible does it say that Christ is coming back to gather up all the christians to fight against the anti-christ? or where did you ever read that Goose? if both God and the devil are to be believed in, then how could there be any such battle? the book of Revelation (along with Daniel and a couple of others) is very intense reading! but i can recall no where where it states that we are going to stand against and fight the anti-christ with God. in fact i dont believe there will be any such "fight" at all! as if the devil could even stand next to Christ! the bible does talk about when and how Christ will throw the devil into the lake of fire! imo (as this is never really clarified in the bible) we (true believers, that is) wont be anywhere near this occurrence. since God is omnipotent we will be elsewhere reveling in His glory and enjoying the eternal bliss that awaits us!


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« Reply #689 on: November 13, 2008, 01:39:00 am »
I just made that story up, tbh.
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« Reply #690 on: November 14, 2008, 07:02:00 am »
Well, one obvious contradiction in the bible would be: you shall not kill or whatever, but it claims that you should kill a lot of people for a whole variety of reasons.

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« Reply #691 on: November 14, 2008, 11:24:00 am »
Good point, Max. Now let me explain...the Hebrew word here is closer to "murder," or even something like "outside of the boundaries" or "beyond your authority." Killing, when sanctioned by God in the Old Testament (as it often was), is fine, but killing anyone anytime just because you wanted to was not acceptable. I realize the verse plainly states "You shall not kill," but there were ramifications and exceptions made plain to the children of Israel at later times (or even beforehand). These exceptions are usually given because a country is blaspheming God's name/i.e. not honoring Him properly.
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« Reply #692 on: November 14, 2008, 11:48:00 am »
Hence, a contradiction.

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« Reply #693 on: November 14, 2008, 11:53:00 am »
A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to reap the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. (Galatians 6:7,8 )

does this help you at all Goose? i know you were saying that you're a Christian, but that you don't really care to LIVE as one so i thought these verses might help you.


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« Reply #694 on: November 14, 2008, 12:01:00 pm »
from my understanding of the bible God is clearly in support of capitol punishment, which is done in truth and under justice. imo-this country (world for that matter!) would be FAR better off if we killed those that deserved death! that is one area where the U.S. is VERY weak in!. He is also clearly against blind rage, murder, etc. it doesn't take too much intelligence to know that there is a CLEAR difference between the two! i'm not exactly clear on what you're referring to though Max. if you could give specific instances from the bible, it would be easier to answer you, but vague references and paraphrasing just makes it muddied and unclear.


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« Reply #695 on: November 17, 2008, 04:29:00 am »
Maybe someone doesn't take this discussion seriously and will not be convinced on a public forum no matter how much proof is sent their way.  Maybe you should go to court where this nonsense would have ended in under an hour.

Everyone makes mistakes and interprets things incorrectly.  If you could be wrong about something small like where did I put my game controller today then you could be wrong about anything.  Positions are not won, to put it negatively, they are lost.

On a postive note you can be right sometimes.  I think more people today are not into the violent aspect of religion where leaders use it as a political weapon/leverage to incite genocide/crime somehow.  If you don't know what I mean you are probably ignoring what's going on around you.

In addition to the six or seven billion people or so at this time who also have an interpretation.  I know I should believe in myself first.

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"I want to be defined by the things that I love. Not the things I'm afraid of, or the things that haunt me in the middle of the night.  I just think that, you are what you love."  Taylor Swift, Daylight.

【 Verax Maneret 】

TheGreatMax

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« Reply #697 on: November 19, 2008, 12:12:00 am »

Is there a worthy judgment without any speed demon bias?  Will we find out?


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« Reply #698 on: November 19, 2008, 01:56:00 am »
what in God's creation are you saying man?!?!



"And I mean, I'm the GE champ.  Did you actually expect I would have a normal relationship?" -David Clemens

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« Reply #699 on: November 23, 2008, 05:36:00 am »
WGAF what you think!