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« Reply #700 on: November 23, 2008, 09:12:00 pm »
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from my understanding of the bible God is clearly in support of capitol punishment, which is done in truth and under justice. imo-this country (world for   that matter!) would be FAR better off if we killed those that deserved death! that is one area where the U.S. is VERY weak   in!. He is also clearly against blind rage, murder, etc. it doesn't take too much intelligence to know that there is a CLEAR difference   between the two! i'm not exactly clear on what you're referring to though Max. if you could give specific instances from the bible, it would be   easier to answer you, but vague references and paraphrasing just makes it muddied and unclear.
Well think about it, if the government started killing more people (death penatly) i'm sure everyone would go insane.  Some people are probably innocent to some degree being mental problems or something, I also think that people who did something where they should be put to death can be cleansed.  You yourself did say that you did sin a majority of the time before christ came into your life... maybe people on death row have not found christ yet?  I'm sure some even change while in prison and maybe find christ in their life.  Now should they be let loose into public... maybe after years and years.  But then again some could do it as a cover up just to get out.  Everything has flaws imo.  Even religion, nothings perfect in some sense.  

Also, bible contradictions i think are great.  If everything in the bible made perfect sense and could be proven then where would the "faith" be.  Lets say God came came to the world and did everything he could do to prove that it was him, then it would be very easy to say "yeah i believe in God" but since you cant prove his existance fully... faith comes into play.  So for instance when Jimbo said, "I haven't fucking seen Jesus even in my days of deep belief, has anyone else? I doubt he's coming back because he WASN'T THE SAVIOR"  So if jesus did come to your house you could easily believe in him correct? but now if he didnt come to you... you would then have to have faith that he exist, which to me is the entire spectrum of religion... faith.

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« Reply #701 on: November 23, 2008, 10:18:00 pm »
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from my understanding of the bible God is clearly in support of capitol punishment, which is done in truth and under justice. imo-this country (world for   that matter!) would be FAR better off if we killed those that deserved death! that is one area where the U.S. is VERY weak   in!. He is also clearly against blind rage, murder, etc. it doesn't take too much intelligence to know that there is a CLEAR difference   between the two! i'm not exactly clear on what you're referring to though Max. if you could give specific instances from the bible, it would be   easier to answer you, but vaguereferences and paraphrasing just makes it muddied and unclear
I always thought that in the bible stood "you shall not kill". So it sounds a bit weird to me you think you solve the problem of killers with "killing them". You always say "I hate the act, not the man himself" so its contradicting if you suddenly decide on who has to live and who cannot. Wasnt it "if someone hits you in the face, you turn your head" or something.









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« Reply #702 on: November 23, 2008, 10:27:00 pm »
i never said kill blindly. in fact, if you read that whole post in context (there's a novel idea!) you would know (which i'm surprised you don't already!) that murder and capitol punishment are completely different! c'mon fellas use your head!

Alex-"if the govt used the death penalty more, than more people would go insane" ????? WTF does that even mean? if when people are put to death they are truly penitent (which only they and God can know at that moment) than they are cleansed! that's the whole message and Truth in Christianity! true, Godly repentance leads to salvation! don't limit God and his abilities because he can, will and does achieve that which he desires to. and what you said about my life before Christ was nothing but the truth brother! the fact that He didn't strike me dead is the very reason that i worship, thank and love Him every day! laws, penalties and justice isn't an easy structure to stick to, and my bad if it seemed like that's what i was getting at! no doubt about it, being just and handing out penalty in a fair way is very difficult this day and age because there are hippies that believe that no one should be put to death! and this is a tough topic for some to think about, but imo and if you believe biblically, as i do, than i believe that capitol punishment, like i said, is just and fair, so long as the jury and judge see it the same way! i'm not a judge, i couldn't and don't desire to be one. but there are people put into these positions because they are believed to be the best person or people to make heavy decisions without bias and based on a just system that says if you purposefully murder (self-defense and accidental aside) or you rape or molest or anything along those lines (again i'm not the one who decides which penalty for which action, but the bible is and it states it pretty meticulously) AND you are convicted of said crimes, your life is given to make right! if someone knew that that was the penalty for such actions, doesn't it seem logical that they would do all in their power to avoid committing these heinous crimes? i believe so! and Cara your post was weak at best! there is nothing contradictory about anything that i've said, but thanks for trying! the commandment "you shall not kill" is clearly referring to murder, not capitol punishment! i suppose that if you ever opened a bible and looked these matters up for yourself you might be enlightened by what the bible speaks! though it doesn't sound like that is high up on your list of things-to-do. but it would perhaps save you from looking silly when speaking about the bible! and i never said anything about "solving any problems!" i spoke of being fair and upholding justice, which, like i said, is a weak point in america. i decide nothing of that fate of others, i leave that in the far more capable hands of my Heavenly Father, who knows the heart and motives of every single person that has ever existed! including you!


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« Reply #703 on: November 23, 2008, 11:27:00 pm »
too long imo

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« Reply #704 on: November 24, 2008, 04:09:00 am »
i know... it's very hard to have a conversation like this on an internet forum, but what am i to do?


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« Reply #705 on: November 24, 2008, 08:19:00 am »
Can a mod lock this topic now, it's becoming really stale.

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« Reply #707 on: November 24, 2008, 01:54:00 pm »
*Sighs* No he doesn't.
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« Reply #708 on: November 24, 2008, 02:15:00 pm »
c'mon, its supposed to be a joke, not trying to offend anyone here!

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« Reply #709 on: November 24, 2008, 04:39:00 pm »
that was simply incredibly rofl.
sexy, this

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« Reply #710 on: November 24, 2008, 05:09:00 pm »
Don't you wish that you could be a fly on the wall?

A creepy, little, sneaky, little fly on the wall?

All my precious secrets yeah, you know them all.

Don't you wish that you could be a fly on the wall?
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« Reply #711 on: November 24, 2008, 11:25:00 pm »
I realize that, Henning, I just take anything involving Jesus very seriously.
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« Reply #712 on: November 24, 2008, 11:48:00 pm »
aww thats cool.

so if I say "jesus actually was a cabdriver on a camel" you'd take that seriously as well?

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« Reply #713 on: November 25, 2008, 12:29:00 am »


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« Reply #714 on: November 25, 2008, 05:56:00 am »
Jesus loves people who don't believe in him. He just loves playing hard to get.

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« Reply #715 on: November 25, 2008, 05:57:00 am »
I LOVE JESUS WITH ALL MY <3
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« Reply #716 on: November 25, 2008, 01:06:00 pm »
LMFAOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA that pic was very funny Shawn! I mean, it cant be nothing but a joke pic/text!

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« Reply #717 on: November 25, 2008, 05:22:00 pm »
no joke Blommy!

unless you mean my avatar!


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« Reply #718 on: November 29, 2008, 03:38:00 am »
hello christians,

"You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." john 14

Can I ask where the line is drawn on this? How big a believer do you have to be, and how realistic does ANYTHING have to be, for prayers to be answered.

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« Reply #719 on: November 29, 2008, 03:39:00 am »
The largest evidence that God does not exist is that people like you are still alive.
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« Reply #720 on: November 29, 2008, 03:55:00 am »
and I am alive, so.... go god!  nh

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« Reply #721 on: November 29, 2008, 04:01:00 am »
Are you really alive?

What makes you feel alive? Is it the ability that if you chose, to live without morals or repent on your actions? Is it that you can change your character to whomever you want to be (as anyone, even those religious can) and without God you can feel like your life has reached a purpose, and that there is nothing more to live for? Is it that no matter what you do with your life, it is YOUR decision and you are too selfish to give a shit about your footprint on mankind in such a way that regardless of action you are to be held accountable and that is all there is? Is it? Because if so, that's fucking pathetic, and billions of people agree with me.
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« Reply #722 on: November 29, 2008, 05:00:00 am »
oh goose you try so hard, it's almost commendable

answer my question about prayer you faggot, it's genuine.

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« Reply #723 on: November 29, 2008, 05:13:00 am »
I don't prayer very often so I have no right to discuss this.

I certainly don't think "If I pray, it will happen." I know I need to take action myself for anything to happen, but I don't see why God can't help...
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« Reply #724 on: November 29, 2008, 05:15:00 am »
also; fuck you mark.
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« Reply #725 on: November 29, 2008, 06:18:00 am »
What is a typical situation where 'god can help?'

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« Reply #726 on: November 29, 2008, 07:47:00 am »
God can help by closing this topic

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« Reply #727 on: November 29, 2008, 04:36:00 pm »
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What is a typical situation where 'god can help?'
You are failing school, have no friends within 100 miles, have no job, you have no motivation to leave bed from medical depression and your life is basically over at 18 years old.  You might as well kill yourself because there is absolutely no point to you living right now as you are only using up other people's resources wastefully.

Yet a year later, I am still here fighting.

That, my friend, is how God can help.

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« Reply #728 on: November 30, 2008, 09:20:00 am »
Could also call a shrink instead of roystering around.

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« Reply #729 on: November 30, 2008, 02:37:00 pm »
I tried that and it didn't do much talking to one really.
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« Reply #730 on: November 30, 2008, 03:19:00 pm »
I don't know exactly how far that extends, l3. It does require you to have faith in Him (from verse 12), and the context of the verses before explain that you ask from your faith, that the request is a pouring out of a desire you've attained through faith. Therefore anything you ask of Jesus will be such as "Give me wisdom" or "Draw this person to yourself, Lord."
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« Reply #731 on: November 30, 2008, 03:56:00 pm »
the following scripture does not really follow the previous thought, but i thought it was a great piece of knowledge...

Proverbs 26:11 - As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.


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« Reply #732 on: December 01, 2008, 12:03:00 am »
I hate answering to anyone, so fuck God. Even if he did exist, I'd personally tell him to eat a bag of dick and die. I'd rather sit in hell by myself!

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« Reply #733 on: December 01, 2008, 12:11:00 am »
I don't think so, Jim. Just imagine the worst pain you can think of, for all eternity. Never-ending. Contrast that with euphoria beyond any imagining (better then sexual, winning Super Bowl, etc.) with no bad things of any kind for all eternity. That's hell and heaven. Yes, you do have to give your life to God, but if you do, He'll change it to something much better then you could've ever found on your own.
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« Reply #734 on: December 01, 2008, 12:13:00 am »
So says you and your insane flawed view on the "afterlife"; I'm gonna see black forever after my brain/heart shut down.

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« Reply #735 on: December 01, 2008, 12:30:00 am »
Sounds like too big of a risk. Some math guy made a good gambling schema on this problem. The God problem. We were talking about it in Philosophy, but the gist is that, from a betting point of view, it is best to bet on God for the best end result payout.
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« Reply #736 on: December 01, 2008, 01:10:00 am »
Lets say your parents, whom you both (goose and tyler) truly love, aren't Christian and end up burning in hell because of it. How is heaven supposed to be perfect if some of your earthly loved ones are not there with you?

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« Reply #737 on: December 01, 2008, 01:20:00 am »
There's a passage in the Bible that says you can save your family from Hell if you are Christian. I forget where, Tyler probably knows though.
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« Reply #738 on: December 01, 2008, 01:54:00 am »
That would be incorrect, sir.

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« Reply #739 on: December 01, 2008, 02:00:00 am »
I saw one in the Bible the other day.
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« Reply #740 on: December 01, 2008, 02:24:00 am »
So where's the downside of being an athiest, and having a christian kid. You cannot lose?

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« Reply #741 on: December 01, 2008, 02:52:00 am »
Haha, I'm not sure this is exactly the case, but there would be no downside. I am positive that if your wife/husband is Christian and you are not, then you will go to Heaven with them, so in this case yes, there is no downside to being an atheist provided that you feel you can live life fine without being touched by the amazing grace of an omnipotent being.
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« Reply #742 on: December 01, 2008, 03:46:00 am »
Goose you bring up an interesting point! but you are incorrect in what you are saying. no one else on earth can bring salvation to anyone else! it's a commitment that that person has to make between him/her and God! there is no other way to heaven as far as the bible is concerned!

find the verse you're talking about Goose and i will do my best to point you in the biblical direction... though i must say good on you for at least looking, which is better than a few other tweaks that suck at pretending to know what's going on with the bible!

Jimbo - you're imagination is more pathetic than bag of dead flatulence if you think that you wouldn't enjoy heaven without your "earthly" parents! God, the Supreme Entity that designed you and knit you together in your mothers womb and who knew you before you were ever conceived IS gonna blow your mind when you meet Him face-to-face! and THIS IS TRUTH: that He will blow our minds with AWESOMENESS when we (the ones who believe in our hearts) arrive at our final destination! find something intelligent to prove me wrong, Jimbo! don't just be that pathetic statistic that blows useless crap out of his mouth with no reason or proof! be a man Jim and bring all you have to the table! if your measly little brain is all that tells you what you believe in, than you have a serious head-on collision coming at you and you better nut up and get ready to take it! or else let your heart be transformed and join the victorious!

for those of us that choose to live for Him in this present age, we will have an eternity of ecstasy (far beyond anything sexual!) to spend in awe! an ETERNITY! FOREVER! but the choice to decline and rebel against God, when not reconciled by Christ through a willing heart, will suffer something more cruel and agonizing for the same amount of time... obviously we are beyond reason when THAT'S what you desire over heaven, so take care and may God enlighten you and open your eyes to your own pillar of pride that you worship.

and Jimbo, stop worrying so much about others (you've mentioned your family several times) when your own spiritual state is in such a state of deterioration! perhaps if you were to accept Christ, you might bring Him to the rest of your family and then you will have nothing to complain about! but Lord knows that takes work, effort and determination. so i challenge you Jim to take a stand for what you know to be true and right and open your heart for Jesus and allow Him to use you to speak His truths to your family so that they might accept Him as well!

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« Reply #743 on: December 01, 2008, 04:31:00 am »
lol at telling jimbo not to speak rubbish when he doesn't have proof.

oh the irony

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« Reply #744 on: December 01, 2008, 06:11:00 am »
indeed Mark. same for "Jimbo, stop worrying so much about others" lol

I like the final destination movie series.
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« Reply #745 on: December 01, 2008, 03:24:00 pm »
No one cares what you think Wouter because you're a shitty updater.
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« Reply #746 on: December 01, 2008, 03:52:00 pm »
actually, yuo are too, every time you go to the toilet for a big one, you have been updating shit inside of you.
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« Reply #747 on: December 01, 2008, 11:45:00 pm »
OMFG Wouter! WTF did that even mean?



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« Reply #748 on: December 02, 2008, 10:47:00 am »
I like it .

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« Reply #749 on: December 02, 2008, 09:42:00 pm »
Short 5 minute video which describes an interesting anecdote relating to God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piuoGb-Nhfw

(honestly not rudebox)
"I want to be defined by the things that I love. Not the things I'm afraid of, or the things that haunt me in the middle of the night.  I just think that, you are what you love."  Taylor Swift, Daylight.

【 Verax Maneret 】