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« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2009, 08:53:00 pm »
Hmm looks like a pretty big upset today with Link's Awakening easily beating Mega Man X for 2nd!
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nothin' moves me more than a groove that soothes me
nothin' soothes me more than a groove that boosts me
nothin' boosts me more, or suits me beautifully
there's nothin' you can do to me; stab me, shoot me
« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2009, 10:41:00 pm »
Yup and never in question. I'm shocked, clearly the game isn't mattering nearly as much as the series attached to it. LA and FF4 would get crushed in zelda/FF polls I'm sure, but are doing quite well even against strong opponents.
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« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2009, 01:33:00 am »
Get me on the spreadsheet already! I'm beating all of you right now.
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« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2009, 09:09:00 am »
Sorry about that Jack, got caught up over the weekend. You're in now, and you're... still tied first, if that's worth anything? >_>
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« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2009, 01:07:00 pm »
So did anyone else notice the comment Ngamer put about each bracket on the very bottom of each individual bracket page?
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« Reply #66 on: April 22, 2009, 07:04:00 pm »
Yup!
Big match today, I'm creeping back toward the leaderboard!!
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« Reply #67 on: April 23, 2009, 01:02:00 am »
OK it's official, Earthbound is not that popular.
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nothin' moves me more than a groove that soothes me
nothin' soothes me more than a groove that boosts me
nothin' boosts me more, or suits me beautifully
there's nothin' you can do to me; stab me, shoot me
« Reply #68 on: April 24, 2009, 11:20:00 am »
i am loving the fact that Deus Ex has such a low percent of votes.
probably the best game i have ever played, and its on 8%. its doing about as well as aetheism at the moment.
but seriously, i dont know what to think anymore...
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« Reply #69 on: May 06, 2009, 01:02:00 am »
Unless SMG can pull off a nice comeback against COD4 here, my RETURN TO THE LEADERBOARD will be short lived.
47 octoblinky 94 Final Fantasy VII
actually tied for 28th overall in all of gameFAQs right now.
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« Reply #70 on: May 07, 2009, 02:38:00 am »
COD 4 deserves the win imo
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« Reply #71 on: May 07, 2009, 09:58:00 am »
I never played COD4! I stayed on the leaderboard despite losing that one, and have today's right in hopefully a tossup for 2nd between portal/bioshock, could move up a lot.
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« Reply #72 on: May 08, 2009, 12:33:00 am »
Up to 33 on the leaderboard, though tied for 19th, and looking set on today's Fallout 3 > Halo 3 pick as well to finish the first round in the 99.9%ile!
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« Reply #73 on: May 09, 2009, 01:20:00 pm »
After round one... In fact, I currently sit at T-15th overall in all of GameFAQs! Though that looks to change today, hopefully I can stay up toward the leaderboard for a while longer.
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« Reply #74 on: May 26, 2009, 12:19:00 am »
Round two results! And on a tangent, after today's mario > zelda result, I'm back on the leaderboard, tied for 19th in gamefaqs!
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« Reply #75 on: June 10, 2009, 05:45:00 am »
meh, btw my tie breaker was 155555, i was only 283 from the actual total. Has anybody from the elite gotten that close ever?
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« Reply #76 on: June 10, 2009, 09:12:00 am »
Haven't really followed this competition but yesterday i saw that the final between FF7 and OOT was ongoing and was kinda wondering who the hell won? can't find any notice or info about it anywhere(shouldn't there be like a big fancy image on start page of gamefaqs?)
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« Reply #77 on: June 10, 2009, 10:56:00 am »
OoT won. I led the-elite contest from day 1 until day 62, but missed the final so Jon won our competition. In fact, I was top 100 on gameFAQs from day 1 until around day 58, when my final 4 (  got destroyed. Was up to 9th on gameFAQs even :- The damn end of these contests have too much weight, lol!
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« Reply #78 on: June 10, 2009, 11:59:00 am »
this was the most predictable and dull result imaginable
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« Reply #79 on: June 10, 2009, 03:46:00 pm »
For some reason I didn't submit my bracket...really thought I did. Ended up with 512 points though, tying octo at 2nd. Not too shabby I guess.
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« Reply #80 on: June 10, 2009, 10:13:00 pm »
Whoooo! Final Elite standings from this season: | 1 | Ngamer | 561 | > | 163783 | 27 | Alive | | 2 | octo | 512 | > | 166666 | 30 | Alive | | 3 | Neo | 484 | > | 156789 | 40 | Alive | | 4 | bcks | 476 | > | 0 | 38 | Alive | | 5 | Thiradell | 460 | > | 0 | 66 | Alive | | 6 | Jack | 413 | > | 0 | 45 | Alive | | 7 | matt8000 | 407 | > | 88000 | 79 | Alive | | 8 | Come | 405 | > | 0 | 60 | Alive | | 9 | Drag | 213 | > | 0 | 68 | Alive | Despite the win, it's extremely clear that octo put together a much better bracket than myself this season- NOTHING I took a risk on worked out for me for two straight months, then all of a sudden enough came together at the very end to push me ahead. As to the "final rounds being worth too much" theory, I agree... HOWEVER, for the Board 8 side of the Contest I made a special page that devalues the final rounds in order to score the bracket (1 - 2 - 4 - 7 - 10 - 14) round by round (as opposed to the 1 - 2 - 4 - 8 - 16 - 32 system that's been in use since 2002). Those results can be seen here:
http://thengamer.com/guru/morefixed.php
And using that system my final score would have been 473, to octo's 471. EDIT - Final stats for me this season: 561 points, finishing in 117th place (99.70%), missed the final Leaderboard by 19 points. Compared to last season... 552 points, finishing in 131st place (99.69%), missed the final Leaderboard by 29 points. To be fair though, neither was a good bracket... this season it would have been impossible for Ocarina to beat FF7 unless FFX made it to the final as I predicted. And since FFX was weaker than Melee, Brawl, AND Pokemon R/B/Y, you can see how much lucky placement it took to make me look good. Last year I made a very risky (and, realistically, very stupid) pick by having Snake beat Cloud in the Final, but that ended up happening thanks to Crono making the last match and Snake getting a crazy L-Blockish bandwagon behind him.
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« Reply #81 on: June 11, 2009, 12:37:00 am »
My unresearched bracket was pretty terrible but I got 1st and 2nd correct so I at least finished with 473.
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« Reply #82 on: June 11, 2009, 08:55:00 pm »
this was the most predictable and dull result imaginable Agreed, no surprise here, OoT is the most overrated game ever after all.
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« Reply #83 on: June 11, 2009, 09:53:00 pm »
this was the most predictable and dull result imaginable
SUPER wrong!
- 34% of GameFAQs users picked FF7 for 1st place; only 18% correctly picked OoT to win
- 52% of GameFAQs users picked FF7 to finish either 1st or second place overall; only 38% expected Ocarina to do the same
- only 3 out of 9 Eliters expected an Ocarina win (4 picked FF7)
- in our "Oracle Challenge" on Board 8 where we try to guess the results of the next day's match, 49 players picked FF7 to win while only 10 supported OoT
Here was what our best predictor this season expected to happen.
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transience's Analysis
Final Fantasy VII is the father of this website.
This isn't hyperbole, it's fact. GameFAQs was a small-time thing until Final Fantasy VII came out. If we had stuff like Alexa in 1997, you would have seen the hits jump like 1000% from 1996 to 1997. Most people from Back in the Day came here initially because of FF7. This was *the* place to get information on games, back before there was a sea of information everywhere. Final Fantasy VII was *the* game. GameFAQs and FF7 have a weird symbiotic relationship.
How big is Final Fantasy VII to this website? It's been on the GameFAQs top 50 for 3,893 consecutive days. Not once have I seen it dip below 50. Ocarina of Time needed the list to be expanded to 100 before it made it there. How big is Final Fantasy VII? When the writer of the first big FF7 FAQ died suddenly, CJayC wrote a big post on the front page eulogizing him. Seriously. Here it is:
5/19/04 12:30PM Truly A Legend.:
It's with a very heavy heart that I must tell you that Chris MacDonald, known to most of you as Kao Megura, passed away earlier this week well before his time.
Chris wasn't just a contributor to GameFAQs, he was the contributor. Still one of the most prolific and well-respected contributors to this site, he created probably the most well-known and well-read (and not to mention well-written) FAQs on the whole of the Internet back in 1997 for Final Fantasy VII. That guide alone is still used and credited today as the inspiration for countless authors to follow. From my own correspondence with him, I can also tell you that he was a great guy to get to know.
Not merely GameFAQs, not just the Internet, but the world as a whole has lost someone special, and he will be truly missed. I truly believe that GameFAQs as we know it today would not have existed without him.
Friends, acquaintances, and even those who were just inspired or helped without ever even knowing him personally who wish to send comments and rememberances may send them to kao@gamefaqs.com. This mail will go to his family, not to me, so please use it appropriately. Charitable donations can be made to UNICEF.
Come on. This would never happen today.
Ocarina of Time is a popular game. It has murdered its competition and proven that it is the only game that can even come close to challenging FF7. It has put up performances that even eclipse FF7's at times. The contest would be better off without these two juggernauts making a mockery of every other game in existence. Ocarina of Time vs. Final Fantasy VII is the most anticipated match that I can think of. Link vs. Cloud cannot compare. This is about as big as you can make a popularity contest on a video game website.
Final Fantasy VII is undefeated. It has beaten Ocarina of Time in two separate formats. It is almost big enough to take on the entire Zelda series, as Link vs. Cloud suggests. It just received a port to the PS3 and PSP -- this announcement generated more applause at Sony's E3 press conference than anything. Seriously, a port of a twelve year old game. This is what happens when you are bigger than big.
Ocarina of Time is liked. Final Fantasy VII is loved.
transience's prediction:
Final Fantasy VII - 38%
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 34%
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - 15%
Final Fantasy X - 13%
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« Reply #84 on: June 11, 2009, 10:15:00 pm »
The only reason I had FF7 was because I picked a LttP / OoT / FF7 / Melee final. Clearly OoT would win without the SFF... so once FFX joined the battle, that's how things went.
Anybody who had FF7 over OoT without some sort of SFF in their logic was a fool.
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« Reply #85 on: June 11, 2009, 10:15:00 pm »
I think what Luke is trying to say is that these contests are overall very predictable and it really doesn't make any difference what game is considered the "best". Sure, I like FF7, it is a good game, but I can think of like 20 games that are better to me. Also FF6 was everything FF7 was and imo, more. But of course, 99% of people who like FF7 are corporate drones who don't even know what an SNES was. There just isn't a whole lot to do in FF7 besides finding Materia and battling. The music is the best part of the game, by far.
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« Reply #86 on: June 12, 2009, 01:40:00 am »
yeah David's got it right. I understand it is a popularity contest in the end, and that game quality will obviously govern how popular a game is to a certain degree, but it just makes it so dull! It kindof reminds me of "Rolling Stone Magazine's Top 500 Albums of all time"'; they can't NOT include the Beatles records, or the Rolling Stones records, Bob Dylan (i could go on forever), and i am not saying that those records aren't good, i happen to love them too, the same way i love OoT and many games which did well in the popularity contest. But it pains me to see when Fantastic games, games which people should (instead of constantly praising the overly-praised) get out and play. Maybe the contest should be divided into catagories, like Most Popular -> Least Popular. Maybe it shouldn't even be run at all, and instead of betting on which games will be more voted for, you should go and play the ones which lose.
I want to add something else. I find it hard to believe that OoT and FF7 are the most loved games ever. I think what we are seeing is the impact of magazines, websites, reviews, all that stuff, forming a web of video game heirachy which dictates how people respond to these games. The snowball effect starts to happen, and whenever we hear BEST GAME EVER; what comes to mind? i know that i have to be very careful not to instantly say the obvious OoT or FF7. This takes me back to why i don't like these contests, because i think it instills a type of conciousness about these games which deserve this instant, unexplained respect. "How can you possibly not think OoT is the greatest game ever, it clearly is." Lets not get stuck in 1997 people, there have been better games made before and many better games made since.
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« Reply #87 on: June 12, 2009, 01:51:00 am »
I think what Luke is trying to say is that these contests are overall very predictableThis was one of the least predictable Contests in a long while- my bracket was awful and yet it nearly cracked the Top 100. And as we just went over, even the "super predictable" final result was expected by less than 18% of the site. (We hear this all the time on the Contest board and it's really bothersome- if it's so predictable, try actually sending in a bracket. If it ends up more correct than mine or octo's, you'll have made a point.) it really doesn't make any difference what game is considered the "best"Fair enough. But of course, 99% of people who like FF7 are corporate drones who don't even know what an SNES was.No. The SNES is the most popular console on GameFAQs, and its not even close. What was the best Nintendo system ever created? | NES | 11.49% | | 9433 | | Super Nintendo | 48.32% | | 39660 | | Game Boy/Color | 1.93% | | 1587 | | Nintendo 64 | 18.33% | | 15047 | | Game Boy Advance | 4.92% | | 4042 | | GameCube | 8.99% | | 7378 | | Nintendo DS | 6.01% | | 4932 | | TOTAL VOTES |
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« Reply #88 on: June 12, 2009, 01:59:00 am »
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« Reply #89 on: June 12, 2009, 02:04:00 am »
I dunno I think the-elite is really nostalgic in general. To say Zelda 1 or even LttP is a better game than OoT is just absurd. You probably enjoyed it more because you played it first. Take a step back and look at things objectively, and from how the entire population would, and OoT is clearly going to win in a "best zelda" of sorts. You may like some obscure random series, but once again, there is a reason zelda mario FF etc., win.. it is because they are as a whole way better made, financed, etc.
Yes the media has a say, but they aren't morons. They push advertising on what will sell, and what sells is USUALLY quality; sure consumers can be morons, but I don't think that is the case in the videogame market as much as many other markets.
Predictable, yes, but I don't think it is a bad thing that OoT won it.
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Plus, think about it mathematically. Even if it is NOBODIES favorite game, but in EVERYBODIES top 10, it is going to win the contest. Just because nothing else is going to get as much support when you only have 4 choices in each poll. The generally liked games are going to win, over the cult classics that a group of people might swear is the greatest game ever
(if it's so good, why isn't it more popular?)
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« Reply #90 on: June 12, 2009, 05:33:00 am »
Well the thing is FF is a very high profile game, well advertised etc. I agree that most good games are indeed popular... but there are also quite a few that are relatively unknown. I'm pretty sure FF7 was one of the most commercial, if not the most commercial RPGs ever, it was one of the few "big" RPGs on console. I can see why people like it a lot, like I said I think it is a good game, but the thing is most people I have talked to who like FF7 have never played any of the prior final fantasy games..that was what I was trying to say. It represents the new generation of "gamers", a term I really despise. Of course people are going to rate the SNES as the best console, with all the great games and how popular it is overall, but I think a lot of people are also on gamefaqs who dont take part in that poll and those are the ones who probably voted for FF7 and OoT. Most of the people who visit gamefaqs are probably like 14-16, and that is imo the audience that probably likes FF7/OoT the most.
I actually disagree about the nostalgia thing. My favorite Zelda is the original... LttP sure is great, but a bit too easy to really enjoy these days. I like the original because to me it is a great balance of adventure and RPG elements. My problem with OoT is that it requires too much patience with going back and forth from place to place, and for me it represents a period in my life that I have outgrown and therefor cannot enjoy it. I went absolutely nuts in 1998 when it came out, and for like 1 year all I played was OoT, and while it is definitely one of the better games out there (if I hadnt played it before, I would definitely go buy it), I just feel it is vastly overrated. I mean I also went nuts about Doom 64, Turok, Mario 64, Bomberman 64, and pretty much all those I just cannot stand to play these days.
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« Reply #91 on: June 12, 2009, 06:19:00 am »
yeah haha i remember Turok and Doom, how great those days were. i am starting to feel old now haha
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