Author Topic: mini American meet 7/2 - 7/5 [ALL videos done!] (Read 5476 times)

vitor · « **Reply #100 on:** July 09, 2009, 03:12:00 pm »

Clemens sucks at multi haha :P

Scrambler Fanny · « **Reply #101 on:** July 09, 2009, 03:38:00 pm »

i was curious as to who is considered the best multi player here at the Elite? actually i was wondering who is the best "overall" player (speedrunning and multi combined)

i bet i am easily top 5! it would be cool if there were some way to have a multi player rankings page! though i cannot imagine how something like that could even begin to work! :/

Vitor- your new avatar is cute!

Lovins · « **Reply #102 on:** July 09, 2009, 03:58:00 pm »

Shawn, how is it you're so sure that you're this king of multi? You've never even played anybody!

Matis · « **Reply #103 on:** July 09, 2009, 04:25:00 pm »

Clemens doesn't suck at multi. He's quite good and has a unique style of play.

yeah afan...You sound like some noob guy off of the street who thinks they are badass.

Lovins · « **Reply #104 on:** July 09, 2009, 04:34:00 pm »

Yeah actually Dave was better than I expected. Way ahead of where I was the first time I played real competition in VA '07 and got my ass handed to me.

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #105 on:** July 09, 2009, 05:24:00 pm »

Thank you, Eddie.

Seriously Afan, every single person who likes multi or played it a lot when they were younger is in for a serious reality check if they ever go to these meets. I went in thinking it would be fairly easy and that I would dominate, but I was in for a serious slap in the face. It wasn't a blow out, but I wasn't winning more than 1/4 of the matches, and I really find it hard to believe that you would do any better considering you have nothing to back it up. Also, you're asking about something that is purely opinion...there is no "best" player at multi or solo.

TreAKAHotdog · « **Reply #106 on:** July 09, 2009, 06:07:00 pm »

karl is the best

wat

Scrambler Fanny · « **Reply #107 on:** July 09, 2009, 08:10:00 pm »

i understand that i sound like a douche about my multi skills, but i would go so far as to place a bet (to be verified whenever i actually got the chance to play any of you guys) that i would be-AT MINIMUM-no worse than any of you.

i never said that i would dominate any of you on every match, so there is no need to feel insulted or anything. i have no doubt that all of you guys that play multi are very good! i'm just sayin, after watchin your vids and knowing MY OWN skill at multi, that i could hang with the best of you. of this i am very confident!

and Matis, i'm not some noob guy off the street, i have actually been around the elite and played GE far longer than you have! plus i KNOW that i am "BADASS" @ multi! nothing wrong with displaying confidence when you know you have the skills to back it up!

i've never told any of you that you sucked at multi! (joking with Jimbo aside) and i am going to try very hard to show up at the next meet to settle this!

Thiradell · « **Reply #108 on:** July 09, 2009, 08:36:00 pm »

Shawn if you were easily top 5 solo/multi you would have to be the best multi player ever, which is why everyone assumed you dubbed yourself the king of multi right there.

Scrambler Fanny · « **Reply #109 on:** July 09, 2009, 08:56:00 pm »

fair enough, but i'm not done climbing the solo ranks yet either. but good point, Third. to be a combined champ, i'd have to be at least top 15 solo (not yet) and best multi (unproveable as of yet). i just havn't reached my personal plateau yet. but i understand what you're saying there.

Matis · « **Reply #110 on:** July 09, 2009, 09:07:00 pm »

You realize that I had GE when it came out and played it... so yeah im pretty sure we've been playing GE for the same amount of time. There was a time where you pretty much vanished from the elite because i was at the-elite back in the day.

watching us play and comparing yourself to the vids isn't saying much because it is so different once your in a match. You may be "Badass" but I would say we have a lot more multi experience then you.

Jimbo · « **Reply #111 on:** July 09, 2009, 11:36:00 pm »

This whole "if we had multiplayer ranks" sounds like me back when I was third proclaiming that I'd be GE champ. You'll always suck until you play someone, Shawn, so stfu and gtfo n00b.

Scrambler Fanny · « **Reply #112 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:41:00 am »

Quote from: OversizedJimbo

This whole "if we had multiplayer ranks" sounds like me back when I was third proclaiming that I'd be GE champ. You'll always suck until you play someone, Shawn, so stfu and gtfo n00b.

vitor · « **Reply #113 on:** July 10, 2009, 02:23:00 am »

Playing multiplayer is something totally different from playing solo. We all know that. But here's the deal, when you play multi, here's what happens in 1v1 matches:

1. You get to know where the other player is (looking at his screen or using radar, it's the same)
2. Now that the other player has found you (because you probably shot him), he knows where you are
3. You both start shooting at each other, using strafe, using manual aim, whatever
4. One of the two will get killed
5. The other one starts running, hoping to get closer to the enemy spawn point for an easier kill. And then, one of the two will happen:

6.a: you kill your enemy easily and runs (go back to 5)
6.b: your enemy gets a gun and shoots at you (and it goes back to 3)

It's preety simple. Unless you do some naughty stuff, like shotting through doors, glasses etc, it's preety much the same every match. That's why we can't ever say that there's one or a couple of best players around. We all know how to shoot and strafe, so it goes to knowing the level a little well and how to surprise your enemy with something totally crazy (like slapping or anything like that). And with that, if we get like 20 players around here and put us all together playing one thousand 1v1 matches, the results will be even.

That not counting knowing the spawn points for every level

I remember having some matches with LaÃ©rcio where the match got decided with the first kill, ending like 20-1 or close to it.

That's why a 4 player match is more interesting, in that case. You have to know where to get the better weapons, look at 3 other players' screens, know how to hide and get an easier frag after, know how to manipulate lag (haha), etc. But in 1v1, I guess we can't say who's the best, even after 50 meetings.

Jimbo · « **Reply #114 on:** July 10, 2009, 02:57:00 am »

4 player is an insane animal, and I think it's broken. I've played enough multi in my time to know that the bullets do not hit the center of the screen on a 100% consistent level; you'll die when you had a sure kill in your sights and get ridic kills when you feel as if your aim was way off. Screw 4 player!

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #115 on:** July 10, 2009, 03:06:00 am »

I actually found 4 player much easier to aim...funny...

vitor · « **Reply #116 on:** July 10, 2009, 03:34:00 am »

Hence the "manipulate lag"

But in the end, the one who can be smarter and get easier frags etc will be the winner. It's not the hide-and-shoot technique that happens in 1v1. It's not fair in any way, but it envolves more "environment" stuff than in 1v1, that's for sure.

Matis · « **Reply #117 on:** July 10, 2009, 04:14:00 am »

I'd say you could tell who is better in 1v1... just because you can see where they spawn or whatever doesn't really matter. cause you can always out strafe a person and in certain levels you could confuse people. So playing smart has to deal with it. Everyone has a different style to play, thats what makes it hard judging 1v1. I barely ever manual aim...takes way to long.

flukey lukey · « **Reply #118 on:** July 10, 2009, 06:30:00 am »

Greg's post made lots of sense i think. I am also a big fan of 4 player, but it makes tournaments and stuff difficult. 1 vs 1 can be really interesting with something like remote mines of something like that, other than simply pistols which ends up being a predictable shoot-out. i mean i like pistols LTK lots too, just i feel more settings should be explored.

vitor · « **Reply #119 on:** July 10, 2009, 11:58:00 am »

"just because you can see where they spawn or whatever doesn't really matter. cause you can always out strafe a person and in certain levels you could confuse people"

Nope, you can't

I mean you can run if the other player sucks too much, or the game lags for some random reason. But usually it's preety ridiculous to kill at spawn points, specially at levels like Bunker or Facility that have easy spawn points to remember, so you kill and you are already strafing to the next one. It's something mechanical.. But at those levels there's one or two spawn points that you can actually get a gun and shoot back (the safe room on bunker or the bottle room on facility, because those are too far away from the previous one, and even if you can get to it in time, you can't be much closer or else your enemy will spawn at the next point), so it's when you can get back at your enemy and start spawn-point-killing him.

I remember doing some stuff like crouching when getting close to the enemy haha these things are stupid and almost never works. But it sure gave us some laughs

Scrambler Fanny · « **Reply #120 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:26:00 pm »

i absolutely will never wait at spawn areas to kill opponents! if someone is doing that, then i will simply not play!

i never play with radar on, it's a waste of screen space, imo.

i'm usually up for almost any scenario

my fav scenarios are:

1) - pistols or powers @ -10 (no radar is the only cheat i ever have on in any match) also pistols LTK

2) - remotes @ -10

3) - rockets or nade launchers in a bigger level (temple) @ -10

my fav levels are: library, complex, temple, stack, basement

so i am flying home next friday and i am going to meet up with the 3 other guys that introduced me to GE and play some Ge with them!!! i will try to get my hands on a vcr so that i can record and post vids just for fun! when the 4 of us get together we usually like to play a lot of 2 vs 2 with a piece of cardboard on the tv going vertically through the middle so that players 1 and 3 are on a team against 2 and 4!!! it's crazy fun obviously because it takes the screen-watching out of the game!!! i will try to convince them to play me 1 on 1, but i'm not holding my breath as none of them are fresh and they probably havn't played much in the last 5-6 years, but we will see what comes of it. as i said, i will try to get some vids up on you tube just for fun!

Illu · « **Reply #121 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:31:00 pm »

Excuse me...

I'm pretty good at GE multi and I've played against quite many so I think I can say that the best are probably Patrik Nilsson or Patrick Wessels from those who I've played against. Who knows about Karl he doesn't care much to play anymore so who gives a crap, maybe he owns though, but then there's Ace though, he could be insane at multi too since he seems to be just insane at pretty much anything. Still though I think whoever wins the swedish GE tournament this year can be considered pretty much the best but it's always hard to determine these kinds of things since not everyone plays that much. Though I must say the best last year was Patrik Nilsson since he won two tough tournaments, here in sweden and the one in USA, it doesn't matter who we think could be the best, it's about who gets to the tournaments and kicks everyone's ass.

Matis · « **Reply #122 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:49:00 pm »

umm im pretty sure you when you spawn if they are running after you, you could out strafe and confuse someone...

RWG · « **Reply #123 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:51:00 pm »

Ilari Pekkala is obviously the best overall GE player in normal speedrunning, multiplayer and the extra leagues so everyone should shut the hell up and listen to him.

AZ · « **Reply #124 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:57:00 pm »

^
true

Matis · « **Reply #125 on:** July 10, 2009, 02:23:00 pm »

Where do you have room to talk ryan...

Lovins · « **Reply #126 on:** July 10, 2009, 03:47:00 pm »

Vitor it sounds like your opinion is biased in that you think multi at highest skill level is all about spawn-killing, although I think most people don't play that way anyways. I know the spawns far better than Greg and Adam, but they've always been slightly better than me every time we've played. Granted, most of the time I don't all-out 110% spawn kill against them, but even when I do, they're still good enough to get away sometimes. You act like there's no strategy or skill involved in getting away from a spawn kill.

Don't want to fuel a big debate or anything here, just wanted to put in my 2 cents.

vitor · « **Reply #127 on:** July 10, 2009, 06:53:00 pm »

Yeah I know what you mean! I can see some mini-strategies involved on 1v1s, but not regarding spawn killing. I mean, sometimes you even forget the next spawn because you had a long battle or anything like that.. but if you have your enemy in sight (or where he's going to spawn, for that matter), you know how easy it is to get a free kill.

These "mini-strategies" I'm talking about are like: opening and closing doors, shooting through stuff, shooting boxes (I remember doing that), going crazy for a slap kill, etc. But 90% of the time you are shooting and hiding, and I know that we all can do that, in a way or another. I mean, you use R and I don't, but we are both hiding and shooting at each other. I prefer to strafe around or find another path to get to you while you are standing there. These are different "strats" but we are both trying to shoot each other. It's not like you can jump around your enemy or do some lucky headshots, because it's LTK.. and many many times you see each other shooting yourselves in the dark, like hiding, shooting a few bullets, reload.

Ok I'm sure that there's more into 1v1 multi, and I'm willing to read what you can tell me, but you got to agree to me how we can't say that one is clearly better than another player here.

Matis · « **Reply #128 on:** July 10, 2009, 07:17:00 pm »

I really can't seem to grasp your concepts greg...

not sure why cause it seems your going straight forward about all of this. What your explaining is no way how i ever play. I rarely every stop moving... only when it is quite tense but for the most part im always moving. Im never really hiding or creeping up and NEVER us the R button. There are lucky head shots involved for someone who is on a different level. If you do miss a spawn kill off the bad in say facility or complex...you can usually get away fast because you'll be in motion while they are focused on shooting you.

vitor · « **Reply #129 on:** July 10, 2009, 08:47:00 pm »

Yeah matis, but you usually won't miss the shot.. but indeed, if you do miss the first shot, chances that your enemy will run away are higher (but not that much).

I also like (liked

) to run around and go for different ways instead of just sitting there shooting.. what you are telling me is that when you face your opponent, you do like strafe shooting, moving yourself (like in circles or anything), while shooting, right? What I'm saying is that: every top player here can do that. It doesn't mean that everybody WILL do it, but it gets to a level where everyone can do everything. You won't run faster than me, you don't have some crazy magic aim, you won't do anything I can't do (read "I" as "everyone").

You also know where your oponent is everytime. If you could NOT see his screen (and the game had better environment sounds), THEN you could say that this or that guy is the best because he can tell where you are everytime (which is the key for being a better than average CS player, also). Or like someone pointed out, playing with other modes (like remote mines for an example), also adding the fact that headshots will make some big difference, then you can say that this player in better than this other one because he can shoot you in the head more often, or he put remotes in places you'd never expect.

This is interesting to discuss since we are considered "the best players", and we have been arguing who's the best at multi for years. IMO, there's at least 20 "best players" around

The game level is just too even

Saint Shang · « **Reply #130 on:** July 11, 2009, 03:24:00 am »

It'd be good to have at least a handful of videos from the upcoming meet, where it isn't just LTK pistols. Just a few side games would suffice. We viewers need entertainment, and a bit of variety would mix it up nicely. Have some team matches, randomly selected teams and see who comes out on top.

The Living Daylights, does anyone play that mode? i think that would be a blast. The Flag holder hiding, while his teammate tries to hold off the enemy. Just the thought of the flag holder and his teammate hiding in the vents on Facility lol. While the others try to get up and kill em.

Matthijsdadutchman · « **Reply #131 on:** July 11, 2009, 07:12:00 am »

Quote

I'm pretty good at GE multi and I've played against quite many so I think I can say that the best are probably Patrik Nilsson or Patrick Wessels from those who I've played against.

That's so totally true!

-Matthijs

Lovins · « **Reply #132 on:** July 11, 2009, 10:47:00 am »

Well I just think accuracy is definitely not random. We may be in an open room just strafing and shooting at each other which may seem like who ever gets a lucky shot first, but there's definitely still strategy like your own dodging back and forth to avoid gunfire. For example, in that kind of situation against Greg Woll, I seriously must lose around 65% of the time, so it's surely no coin flip; he just has to be more accurate than me. Because of that, and because I lose to him maybe 60-65% of matches, then yeah I can safely say he's overall a better multiplayer than me. Flip a coin 100 times or so and see if you can get 65 or more heads. Probability of 1/467, i.e. chances are one player must be just better than the others.

TreAKAHotdog · « **Reply #133 on:** July 11, 2009, 11:21:00 am »

i played about 6 total matches of multiplayer before i went to VA in 2007. i played 0 matches of multiplayer in between VA 2007 and VA 2008.

Matis · « **Reply #134 on:** July 11, 2009, 12:34:00 pm »

I was owning in capture the flag 4 player

NathanStinson · « **Reply #135 on:** July 11, 2009, 03:28:00 pm »

How many have you played from va 2008 to 2009, Trent?

TreAKAHotdog · « **Reply #136 on:** July 11, 2009, 04:16:00 pm »

the number of matches i will play in at the swedish meeting

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #137 on:** July 11, 2009, 04:31:00 pm »

Capture the flag is so lame lol.

vitor · « **Reply #138 on:** July 11, 2009, 08:37:00 pm »

Yes accuracy is not random, but it's not like anyone here can shoot much better than anyone. I mean like, if I start playing 5 hours of GE multi a day and after 1 year I meet with anyone here who didn't play in that year, I'm preety sure that the game will be even.

And I agree with seeing videos of people playing other modes than pistols LTK. Not because it's boring (it's top players playing, so it's not boring), but because you could see more interesting "skilled" stuff, that is not just people shooting each other with pistols. From the multiplayer games I've played for like 7 years, I can say that GE LTK is limited (even though it's one of the best).

I wish I could play with any of you guys, and you'd all see my brazilian swing!

Matis · « **Reply #139 on:** July 12, 2009, 02:19:00 pm »

if you played that long for a year... I bet you would be so much better

vitor · « **Reply #140 on:** July 12, 2009, 03:56:00 pm »

Maybe slightly better.. well we all have played a lot of solo, so there's not much of the game itself that we can learn, so I dunno. That for pistols LTK, any other mode you can still improve a lot, I guess. You guys should indeed play other modes, or play PD, at those meetings.. PD multi is a lot more complex, it's fun to watch! (even though I still think GE is better haha)

Worlds-One · « **Reply #141 on:** July 13, 2009, 07:32:00 am »

I personally think I'd dominate in remote mines but thats me. Everyone has a certain niche for weapons/levels.

I do like the idea of playing different weapons in VA, although LTK pistols is the daddy. I would love to have a 4 way MP match but have it set up on 4 tv's. That is the ONLY way to make a fair prediction on who is number 1 or could be 1. This would make everyone be a little bit more aware/alert then flying around looking at other screens.

I actually never really payed attention to spawn points and im sure if I played 1000 times I would understand every spawn point. I'll still play multiplayer GE in VA regadless of this disadvantage.

vitor · « **Reply #142 on:** July 13, 2009, 12:26:00 pm »

Yeah spawn points are fixed, it's preety ridiculous. And the levels are usually small, so you can reach the next spawn point preety fast.. It's not like you get unbeatable doing that, yeah

it's a big advantage. Glad that it got fixed in PD!

Lovins · « **Reply #143 on:** August 02, 2009, 08:18:00 pm »

Bumping for...finished videos! (finally)

Here are just the ones I put on YT. Dave/Jimbo (or anyone else wanting to see stuff) hit me up on AIM for any other vids you want, I know you wanted other stuff and I have it all. I actually have almost every match of every game we played, lol.

GE

Quad Kill
Woll Health Factor part 2 (Greg survives a neck shot on LTK)
Teams - Woll, Matis vs. Jimbo, Clemens (insane kill streak to end this match, but I won't say which team!)
3player - Lovins, Woll, Matis (Complex)
4player - Jimbo, Clemens, Woll, Matis (Facility) (1st match of the meet)
Clemens vs. Matis epic Caverns match

Smash 64

Team Lovins Montage (compilation of best stuff by me and my brother Jake over the weekend, sorry Adam/Greg

)
Team tournament championship final match - Eddie, Jake Lovins vs. Woll, Matis
FFA - Lovins, Lovins, Woll, Matis

Smash Melee

Team tournament championship final match - Greg, Adam vs. 2 of my friends
Random team match - Eddie, Jake Lovins vs. Woll, Matis

Kart

Kalimari Desert - Jimbo, Eddie, Woll, Matis

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #144 on:** August 02, 2009, 10:33:00 pm »

Lol god I look like such a newb in those 4 player matches, like it was the first time I've ever played multi lol. It's just funny, because I really don't play like that at all any more.

Lark · « **Reply #145 on:** August 03, 2009, 06:36:00 pm »

Hahaha Jimbo got owned on the 3rd lap of that Kalimari Desert race. Good vids, thanks for uploading them all, Eddie.

Matis · « **Reply #146 on:** August 04, 2009, 02:08:00 am »

every GE match was so fun. such a good time.

Lovins · « **Reply #147 on:** August 04, 2009, 12:42:00 pm »

Wanted to share a pretty funny dream I had last night about this meet...

So we were all in my apartment playing GE or something. All of a sudden I had to go grocery shopping (Jimbo must've finished off my food). So went to this huge supermarket and loaded my arms up with groceries. I didn't even put them in a cart for some reason. Then I walked back to my apartment which was of course miles away, still carrying everything. When I got back, the place was now like a hotel, and I realized I didn't have my room key. I met an old lady at the bottom of the hotel and she said I could use hers, but she lived on the 8th floor, so I went up to her room, got her card, went back down to the 2nd floor, opened my door and put a wedge in it to keep it open while I went back to the 8th floor to return the lady's key, then back to my room. When I got back, Adam was walking out the door anyways so I was mad that I never needed the key in the first place (yes, I could've also just knocked, lol). So we went back in and played some more games, then all of a sudden there was a knock at my door and it was NGamer! He came in and we all gave him a big hug, lol. Then we were going back to play, and NGamer put in this racing game, which was kind of like Kart, but wasn't. And I remember sitting there all angry, thinking why are we playing this stupid game and not Kart at least. Haha, and that was all I remember.

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Author Topic: mini American meet 7/2 - 7/5 [ALL videos done!] (Read 5476 times)