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[Phazonn]

I was wondering of there is anything to avoiding the drone guns at the end of Cavs. Is it just luck?

[flicker]

I was wondering of there is anything to avoiding the drone guns at the end of Cavs. Is it just luck?

Only thing you can really do is touch the left wall when inside the tube. Usually this gets one backboost. Best scenario is getting boosted through by guards behind you and that would likely avoid the chance of a drone back.

[Deep-Darkness]

I have always had problems with Streets Agent. I have PR=1:16 and goal=1:15 (PAL!).
This is what I do:
I watch full cinemas. I usually use 2.4, since it saves near 0.3 seconds. I do right strafe all the run. The kf7/RL guards backboost me quite often. I turn the corner and I see the GL guy isn't there... When he is, he almost always has kf7, and when he finally has GL, I shoot at him and I don't kill him x_X... I continue right strafing. Again, the RL/kf7 guys usually backboost me. I finish. Time is always 1:16 in a decent/good run, 1:17 in a bad run. These are some questions I have...:
1) Is there a consistent way for the GL guy being there (in the corner after the first RL/kf7 guards, in the longest street)? And to kill him without losing your strafing/speed?
2) If I use 2.4, how do I CC it? Left+down or only down? I guess left+down, since run is right strafe all the run, but then killing the GL guy is harder...

Well, hope someone can help me with this e_e. I can do 1:16 videos, or a video comparison of my 1:16 vs PAL WR 1:14 if it makes it easier to help me... Anyway, lol, I think with GL and luck, 1:14 is doable, so if I see that 1:15 is easy to get one of these days, I'll go for PAL WR, for sure.

Well, thanks in advance.

[Jimbo]

Henrik, if you ever have time, could you attempt to explain why the gate on Dam seems so random? Why does lookdown actually have a negative affect on the gate?

[Aztec Exemplar]

Recorded a quick 18 and I'm curious to know where I can improve on the level (besides not going around the table).

Also if somebody could estimate the decimal on this run, that'd be amazing.

[flukey lukey]

try taking the first doors and pause tighter

[speedruntrainer]

Depot Secret Agent:
Is there any way to get objective A more consistent? I'm using 2.4. and A never ever completed so far.

[RWG]

spend more time shooting the fucking mainframes

like pump 3-4 bullets in each one

it might cost you 1 second to do this, but completions are necessary; the speed can come later

going super fast and "hoping for the best" isn't necessary unless you are going for 40

[Aztec Exemplar]

Dunno if I'll actually seriously do this strat but if someone could explain how you do the nade throw for S2 SA (50/51 strat), that would be amazing.

[DYM]

The key is to shoot 4 (ideally) at the first one and around 2-3 at the 2nd one. Obviously the guard animation is important too. The flames from the 1st MF can blow up the 2nd MF.

[Phazonn]

I was wondering, when shooting at Nat at the beginning of Control, what am I actually aiming to do? Since I've been unable to watch any videos for the past however many days, I've been guessing what to do and there's no consistency in the results. I shoot her in the head after killing the guards and then I shoot her again in the arm/leg, once the second animation, after the blast doors textbox appears, has ended (Sorry I can't word this better). For this reason, runs where she types instead of shaking her head are faster for me.

She usually stumbles back for a few seconds and then opens the doors, but sometimes I shoot her in the hip and the animation is very short and she opens the doors immediately after that, so there's definitely some time being lost when I don't do this, but then again it doesn't always work and I don't know why. I'm sure I'm over-complicating a very simple thing, so I'd appreciate any information, thanks.

[DYM]

Make sure you're not shooting her too early. After the "blast door" message fades away count to 3 or something and then shoot her in the arm (not leg). Seems like you might be aiming too high if the animation is too short.

[Wyst3r]

what am I actually aiming to do?

Natalya's messages are based on 2 things:

1. A timer
2. Her animations

The timer starts as soon as she reaches the computer. For the "got the door open" message to come up, the timer must reach ( greater than or equal ) a certain value. However, the message still won't come up until her current animation has ended. So if the timer reaches it's value, but she is in the middle of an animation, the message won't come up until she's finished it.

So the point of shooting her is to ensure that her current animation stops as soon as the timer reaches it's value. It doesn't matter what kind of animation she's currently running, so a damage animation from getting shot works exactly the same way as her regular animations. So if you shoot her and the message doesn't come up as soon as she's recovered, you shot too early.

[Phazonn]

Aaah, I understand, thanks guys .

[Phazonn]

Why is the 2nd double door in B2 sometimes open and sometimes closed? I cut the cutscenes consistently and I'm almost always about the same speed at the beginning. Is it to do with the cutscene? This is A btw.

[Time was untied when set.]

Angles. Dont look up too much when you leave the cell. Try to keep a consistently lookdown angle till you leave the jail doors.

[Deep-Darkness]

Why do people look up at the end of Dam? Whatever it's done, is it possible with lookdown too?

[AZ]

Yeah it's "possible". I used lookdown on my 0:53. If you are going for 54, it doesn't really matter what you use (pay more attention in having good lines) but :53 should be a bit easier with look-up (less lag).

[Deep-Darkness]

Yeah, going for 54 atm. I've read somewhere that 53 is quite hard on PAL for some reason...
Okay, thanks.

[Darth Vader]

how do you play depot? (dead serious question)

[DYM]

You'll need either a superpad or a standard N64 controller with a stick that can handle full speed left strafe/right strafe with forward cruise (needs to be at least 8/10 I'd say). If you're not at full speed in either left or right strafe you'll obviously lose like 2-3 seconds on an otherwise good run. With control style 2.4 you want to hold the 2nd controller on your right hand like this:



It's worth noting that you shouldn't move the top part/surface of the stick with your thumb. Move the side of the stick as it's faster and more convenient for your hand. You will use this controller to strafe, open doors, change weapons (if necessary) and shoot.

You want to hold the first controller on your left hand like this:

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You only need this controller to change your angle of lookup/lookdown.

Reset the level until you get the cinema with the screen. Press A 3 times (you need to do this to get the PP7 out) and shoot 5 bullets at the screen. You want to shoot these bullets when the cinema is fading out. Watch like 2 seconds of the 2nd cinema. The timing of the cinema is important especially on 00A otherwise you might get a spawned guard at the end and extra lag if you're slow.

If you're playing 00A try to anticipate the first guard that gets lured and aim for his head.. shooting the ammo dump with the D5K should be easier (I don't remember if it worsened ammo dump odds for me, but I think it did).

On your way to the key shoot 3 bullets at the 1st MF. Shoot 1 on the way back so it gets 4 hits in total and try to shoot a few at the 2nd MF. You can almost always tell if Objective B will complete based on the guard's animation.

On 00A, you want to stop at the ammo dump by holding the stick of the 2nd controller completely down and using the Z button of the 1st controller to aim.

Agent is self-explanatory. Just time the cinema so you get the boost and hope for a fast guard reaction after the TS. I don't know what weird techniques people use to make the turn to the stairs but I did it in full right-strafe (which is a bit harder).

tl;dr learn 2.x

[Darth Vader]

Damn, i'm getting schooled here Awesome tutorial, Ace. Really useful

Also, i wonder how the hell Karl Jobst played this.

[Boss]

Learning 2.x on something like Runway might be a good way to get into it. Jumping right to Depot could be a little rough without practice on an easier mission first.

[Deep-Darkness]

Streets is the easiest level with 2.x imo. Dam, S2 with safe strat and Runway are easy too, and Caverns aswell. Try them CCing the controller down till you get used to them. You should go by the levels with 2.x like you do with 1.2 with some practice.

Also, I have a question. I'm starting to pay attention to strafes in levels (till near a month ago I played my style), and I have some doubts... The main one is:
Strafe changes make you lose speed, right? I think the same happens with big turning, but dunno. Well, the doubt was born watching Facility videos... At the beginning, after activating the console, you go right strafe till a door, and then people does a strafe change to left strafe, continues in left strafe and then changes to right strafe again... Why is that done? I mean, isn't faster to do all in right strafe?

[AZ]

No. Always do it the way they do it on WR runs  

It's also slower to keep left strafe at the end of Cradle Agent for instance. You will notice that players change from left strafe to right strafe at the last two seconds of the level. Compare my 0:35 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_I8DbB7qkc) to my 0:37 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_0UOITLfRk) and hopefully you get the idea Originally I didn't change to right strafe at the end of Cradle because I thought keeping the same strafe was faster

[Deep-Darkness]

But is it due to lag or something? I'll do it as in WRs, but I don't get why it happens... Well, anyway, there are around 60 levels in GE where I still have to study WR strat and give it a go (haha XD). Well, when I entered in the Elite I didn't know almost anything about speedrunning, so I just saw the videos for fun and tried to use their routes. Now that I know a bit more and my English is better, I think it's time to start understanding these games

Well, thanks for info, Axel. And yeah, I get what you mean e.e. Both videos seem nice to me though XD. Well, logical considering I have 46 as a PR e.e... I think time to improve that shit, even though I don't like Cradle...

Now that I'm talking about Cradle... i know the double shot per frame trick and how to do it, but... Is it needed to headshot Trev in both spots (I think you hit him in 2 spots... Correct me if not, please)? I guess it is on SA/00A, but dunno on Agent...

[flukey lukey]

you hit him in the body in the hut , then the head going down the ramp

[speedruntrainer]

Bunker 2 Secret Agent:
Why the Klobb guard is ALWAYS here?


I don't understand why...

[OHMSS]

Because your starts are too slow.

[speedruntrainer]

Oh, ok, I will half-ass the starts and I will check if he's still at his bad spot. What about the cinema?

Nope, the start on my non-PR 0:58 I did was fast. Messed a bit up switching weapons lol, but it was fast, what else?

[OHMSS]

Yeah you have to yolo the start more, i.e. risk cams 1, 2, 3. Not much room for fucking around.

Cinemas for beginners: Don't watch any cinema to catch the key guard.
Cinemas for professionals: Watch some cinema to optimize first cam angle and key guard position, so you can kill him in full speed.

I hope I get to play that level someday, it will be amazing.

[speedruntrainer]

Ok, thanks, will try.

[speedruntrainer]

Thanks for the help, but then I'm too inconsistent after. So, yeah, I quit this level for a while, as for a lot of levels, just doesn't make sense, I can't PR anymore I think, which is sad..

[Phazonn]

Stick with it speedruntrainer, you'll get it!

Is widescreen advantageous for getting a fast gate on dam? Also I noticed that I almost never get fast gate on a decent run, but if I get stuck on those crates for a short while, I frequently get fast gate. Why is this?

[Aztec Exemplar]

Yeah don't use widescreen, use full for Dam. Also, the more time you waste before the gate, the faster it gets. I used to shoot out the tanks with a KF7 for fun when going for 53 and I would almost always get a super fast gate. However, when I paused out at the lockshot, I got something like 39 so it's not worth it.

Basically just use full and don't get stuck on anything and hope for a good gate.

[Deep-Darkness]

Also, the more time you waste before the gate, the faster it gets.

Sorry for my noob question but... If the game actually starts in the cnemas, wouldn't be a solution then watching 1-2 seconds of cinema? I'm probably wrong though... Just curious.

[Aztec Exemplar]

I don't know how much Dam has been tested with cinemas but I don't think it would help the gate very much.

[Phazonn]

I was waiting different amounts of time before cutting the cinema and it never made any difference as far as I could tell.

[speedruntrainer]

Train 00 Agent after the locks, how Natalya escapes with you? I did before 'Good luck on the floor, James. And while he was saying that and she still follows me.
That never happened on my Secret Agent session. Is it RNG on 00 Agent or something?

[Wyst3r]

You can't rely entirely on the messages. Depending on how you kill Ouromov, they can be delayed.

[speedruntrainer]

How do I need to kill Ourumov? It's really strange that Natalya never follows you on Secret Agent by the same strat. But on 00 Agent it happens 90% of the time.
I do half of the locks first. Then I kill Ourumov. Then do the rest of the locks, like Secret Agent.

EDIT: Now I did most of the locks (Almost all) then killed Ourumov, I was fast and then she still follows me. Objective E completed. It's impossible on 00 Agent for some reason.

[Time was untied when set.]

Do the locks faster. SA and 00A are the same

[Infected Mind]

yeah no difference on SA/00.

[speedruntrainer]

Hmmm, strange, on 00 Agent I can't do it for some reason and I have pretty much the same locks on 00 Agent... Ourumov gets a fast death often though, has it something to do with it? Or hitting Natalya in the leg?

[Time was untied when set.]

Once you hit ouromov, the timer starts, but natalya wont actually work until he dies. you want to shoot him in the chest or head and kill him quickly. hitting natalya does nothing. The way the strat works is you have to be a certain distance past the train outside before trev's message fades or she will follow you.

[speedruntrainer]

Once you hit ouromov, the timer starts, but natalya wont actually work until he dies. you want to shoot him in the chest or head and kill him quickly. hitting natalya does nothing. The way the strat works is you have to be a certain distance past the train outside before trev's message fades or she will follow you.

Thanks, David, that really helped.

Now I know why it wasn't working because I played the ending too safe with 1 bar left.
I wonder which part of the Train outside though exactly, so I can optimize the strat with the locks.

[Deep-Darkness]

I don't know if this helps, Nick, but hope so. Instead of entering Ouromov's room, you can stay in the right of the door without them seeing you, and you can break some locks from there. So the safe strat would be basically arrive to that place, stand in the right of the door breaking some locks from there and then entering last room and continuing as normal. That can help only if you're too slow with locks, though...

[speedruntrainer]

It already helps what I'm doing quite consistent. It was my fault to be safe killing guards behind the crates when you leave the Train. What David told me really helped. The reason I was safe there is because the guards trolled me 2 bars to death close to the very end of Train at some session, thinking it will happens again. But now I haven't even lost one bar there lol. That was actually stupid of me lol.

[Wyst3r]

I wonder which part of the Train outside though exactly, so I can optimize the strat with the locks.

You need to move past the length of the car (the same car you just exited). Imagine the car's width being extended into the outside area, you need to leave this area.

[speedruntrainer]

Bunker 2 00 Agent:

Why the 2nd safe key guard stays behind his desk even when shooting the Klobb as I get the yellow clipboard?
Sometime I lure him, and sometimes he stays behind his desk.

And for the Klobb guard that has the glass door keycard, what's better? To kill him first or after I get the 1st safe key?