Author Topic: 2009 Elite NFL Pickem, Survival, and Betting! [FINAL RESULTS now up] (Read 2600 times)

Cyberwrath87 · « **Reply #50 on:** November 15, 2009, 07:57:00 pm »

Well the Broncos lost, so I guess I'm out of Survival anyway! Jon, if you could update that list to include my failed Broncos pick instead of N/A, that'd be super.

Quiet Bol · « **Reply #51 on:** November 15, 2009, 09:49:00 pm »

Come on, Nate, you can still pick the Ravens or the Browns!

youseinthehouse · « **Reply #52 on:** November 16, 2009, 12:30:00 am »

Last year I got 2nd place to Neo completely legitimately. It was two years ago where a concession was made for me. Technically, I missed the deadline, but practically I didn't. I made a pick and somehow Yahoo! didn't save it. This may or may not have been my fault but I was pretty sure at the time that I'd gotten hosed. I ended up having the (weak) proof of an i/m conversation detailing my survival pick with a friend on the Friday prior.

Either way it was precedence setting. The elite is flexible in this regard!

mikerspd · « **Reply #53 on:** November 16, 2009, 12:57:00 am »

Wow did Miami scare the poop out of me... But hooray for success. I'm again tempted to go against my better judgment and pick an away team this week (AZ at St. Louis)...

Ngamer · « **Reply #54 on:** November 17, 2009, 02:44:00 am »

Good news Elite! I talked to Nate this aft and he said he picked

NathanStinson (3:44:33 PM): ravens

So he's still alive!

Ngamer · « **Reply #55 on:** November 20, 2009, 12:05:00 am »

Bad news Elite! Yahoo is a piece of trash and locks picks three-four days in advance of games actually kicking off!

NEW RULE: If you get locked out of your picks because of Yahoo being a piece of trash, you can make them here and they count!

Ngamer's Spread Picks - Week 11

Underdog Winners:
Miami (3)
Washington (11)
Baltimore (1)
San Diego (Pick 'Em)

Overdog Winners:
Detroit, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Giants, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Arizona, Cincinnati, New England, Philadelphia, Houston

youseinthehouse · « **Reply #56 on:** November 20, 2009, 02:10:00 am »

Oh, snap. I am owed approx. 8 points for when Yahoo was a piece of trash on that week I didn't pick. (In all actuality, eight is actually what I "got" that week... I noticed me being locked out at around 1:15, mentally made my picks with a half-quarter of knowledge advantage for the 1PM games. Ended up with 8.) Don't really need those points, I plan on winning without them.

dragondragon18 · « **Reply #57 on:** November 22, 2009, 08:43:00 pm »

No pick by Nate for survival, eh?

Ngamer · « **Reply #58 on:** November 24, 2009, 02:41:00 am »

Nate did NOT reply back with his pick for the Texans/Titans game, and has thus been eliminated from Survival this season.

Your Week 11 winner for the straight-up picks is... Ngamer's Dad, who goes a stunning 14-2, his only mistakes being those (ridic) losses by the Steelers and Bengals! Clark and Neo were just back at 13-3.

NEW TOP FIVE for the season:
1. Ngamer - 115
2. Ngamer's Sister - 110
2. Clark - 110
2. P. Keiter - 110
5. Josh Layne - 108

(With my dad sitting 1 point away from making the Top 5 60% Barbers.) Two STUPID things caused me to take a tumble this week, namely forgetting there was a Thursday night game (as I had planned to pick the Dolphins) and then those darn Ravens. As a result I fall from the 99.8 percentile at 650th worldwide to the 99.7 percentile at 1100th worldwide. Will have to make up for it next week!

In Survival we lost Youse with the Bengals and Nate with his no-choice, leaving only QB, Neo, drag, and mikers still in the hunt.

Jimbo · « **Reply #59 on:** November 24, 2009, 03:25:00 am »

God damn, Neo's streak is still alive? Goodness.

Neo · « **Reply #60 on:** November 24, 2009, 04:57:00 am »

That's what, 27 weeks running now? Not bad!

youseinthehouse · « **Reply #61 on:** November 29, 2009, 03:19:00 am »

BTW, I missed spread pick 'em again this week due to a highly hectic schedule the day before and day of T-giving, and not really being able to access Internet (I'm abroad, not at home). It's not Y! that is a piece of trash, it's the settings. They lock at the beg. of the week's games. That is stupid. Next year we should lock them 5 mins before EACH game. It's a little less fair but a LOT more forgiving.

Anyway, I'd have nailed the three T-day games (I picked Denver straight up in another format-- when I made those picks it was last Sunday and the new lines weren't up yet so I didn't do the spread picks at that time). The other two Turkey day games were obvious.

So, I have 3 so far

. Also, give me the underdogs:
TB, BUF, CLE, STL, CAR, HOU, KC, CHI

and favorites covering I'll take:
PHI, SF, TEN, BAL, NO

Below me!

Thiradell · « **Reply #62 on:** November 29, 2009, 01:48:00 pm »

Hmm, I'm in the same boat as Youse. I too would have picked the three winners on Thursday, having faith in Denver to win by a touchdown at home in a pretty even matchup. The rest of my picks:

Atlanta
Buffalo
Cincinnati
Seattle
Carolina
Philadelphia
Indianapolis
San Diego
San Francisco
Tennessee
Minnesota
Pittsburgh
New England

Patriots will win 20-13
Steelers will win 42-17
Steelers will score the most
Browns will score the least

Ngamer · « **Reply #63 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:05:00 pm »

Ng Bets the NFL - Week 12

Risking $5 to win $5.75 on the Patriots to defeat the Saints outright

YTD Tally: -$4.43

RWG · « **Reply #64 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:19:00 pm »

Goose Bets the NFL - Week 12

Risking $5.75 on the Saints moneyline -130 defeating the Patriots outright

YTD Tally: +$75.89

wheatrich · « **Reply #65 on:** December 02, 2009, 06:35:00 am »

You are not +$76 for this season risking $6 at a time and YTD Tally doesn't count if you don't post those in here since we have no way of verifying it.

Anyway, that's not the reason I posted

http://files.nfl-forecast.com/

here you go math guys playoff odds for your favorite teams at this point the link will be handy for those of you interested in following weeks since I won't update every week obviously.
Interesting Teams
NFC
Packers 77% yeah, this is pretty disgusting. They've got a very favorable tiebreakers and stuff so even 2 losses they're very likely to make the playoffs (would actually go up a little as long as one was vs the AFC) GB vs Baltimore this week the Ravens badly need it and it won't effect the Packers much either way.
Eagles 73% (edited the sched in Falcons, Giants, Niners, Broncos, and Cowboys) LOL have fun with that. another 2 losses and they're still probably in as long as both aren't divisional. Then they're just possibly in.
Giants 52% One loss is ok. Two isn't.
Falcons 14% (can lose to Saints, really can't lose to Eagles) I'm not joking about can't lose to the Eagles this week. A loss to the Eagles pretty much kills the playoff hopes as even winning out after that (Saints too) makes the playoffs iffy.
49ers 17% (also play Eagles) Tasty schedule of Rams, SeaTurkeys, Lions with more birds in Eagles and Cards. They really can't lose to Arizona and the Eagles are one of the teams they're fighting for a WC spot in but going 4-1 is ok but not a lock to make the playoffs. (3-2 obviously is disasterous)
Everybody else combined <1%
(slightly interesting how Carolina has the lowest of this group at .2% but by far the best % if they won out--obv that's a ridic remaining schedule Pats, Vikings, Giants, and Saints ok then have fun with that)
(yeah, everybody else is basically a lock to be a playoff team at this point--hard not to agree with that)
AFC
Denver 75% KC, KC, Oak. Win those 3 and they're 80% to make it. (other games are Eagles and Colts--wtf is with this Eagles schedule)
Pittsburgh 70% lol at Ward saying the Ravens was a must win game when they still have Cle and Oak on the schedule. They lose twice and they're in big trouble however. One loss (no matter who it is) will be ok though Baltimore would hurt a bit.
Baltimore 38% interesting note one loss to a NFC team and win out and the odds are 97% one loss to Pit and win out is 69% Two losses and it's 18%
Jacksonville 16% though they control their own destiny. Win out and they're in. One loss and they're probably in. Two and they're probably out. Reason #1 of why you really don't want to be on the wrong side of tiebreakers.
Houston 3.7% lol they should've beaten the colts at least once. Or the Titans two weeks ago. Some of those.
Miami 1.5% all but done really. Pretty much has to win out and that's a brutal schedule.
Tennessee .2%! despite the darling status of the media even if they win out the % odds are 34% because they lose basically every tiebreaker scenario. Though, I wouldn't want to play the red hot Vince Young Chris Johnson in the playoffs either.

everyone else--meaningless. yes buffalo isn't mathematically eliminated but they're not getting in.

Yes, there's a nonzero% scenario in the AFC where an 11-5 team misses the playoffs. Funny enough Jacksonville loses all the H2H tiebreakers but would win the multi way one here leaving the other teams involved to sweat it out.

Fantasy Update for those not in the know

(BTW we're in the middle of a pretty chaotic and epic fantasy football season with wheat sitting alone at 5-7 ... in 11th place just 2 GB out of a massive tie for first at 7-5! That means only PDO is eliminated from the championship with just two games to go until the playoffs.
[actually if wheat had just won last week the 11th place team would currently have a 6-6 record--1 game out of first which probably would've been the most competitive league on yahoo this season!] teams are 6-6 unless noted or already noted.
Games this week.
Jimbo vs Come (both 7-5) Winner likely makes the top 4. Loser probably has to win next week.
Wheat vs Shep loser is likely completely out of the consolation playoffs--winner has a longshot chance at a top 4 spot still though with a win next week as well
Neo vs Ng. Ng gets the final game against the only team out of the league so this is a must win game for the kangaroos or they will be at best down under... in the consolation playoffs!
Wiff vs PDO A loss here for Wiff and any title hopes are gone.
Boss vs DK (both 7-5) Both of these teams could finish out of the consolation playoffs completely or the #1 seed or anything in between depending on these chaotic 2 weeks. I'd advise not losing 2 games.
QB vs Third (QB 7-5) QB has the easiest remaining schedule facing Third and Wiff these last 2 weeks but will he take advantage of it?

All the 6-6 teams must win 2 games to get into the top 4. Wheat at 5-7 actually has the 2nd most points scored and if he keeps that or moves to first in that tiebreaker with two wins and a ton of games go his way (funny thing here, there's a bunch of scenarios that involve different teams going 9-5 and the like so until sunday progresses it'll be next to impossible to know exactly who each team is supposed to be rooting against!) over the final 2 games.

(thanks to ngamer for telling me how to strike out someone's name)

Ngamer · « **Reply #66 on:** December 02, 2009, 06:41:00 pm »

Excellent update wheat! Though I'm slightly biased, considering all the good news you gave me.

To put a line through, you can say ~~Vince Young~~ from quickpost (as in [strike]Vince Young[/strike] but with < >). Or from a normal post there's a T with a line through it button you can click.

Ngamer · « **Reply #67 on:** December 03, 2009, 08:08:00 pm »

WARNING!

The Jets and Bills kick off in a mere 70 minutes! Be sure to get your picks in before then!
---

And now here is a

NFL UPDATE AFTER WEEK 12

Here's how things are shaping up at (about) the 3/4th point in the 2009 season!

Pigskin Pick'Em
1. Ngamer - 125
2. Ng's Sister - 123
3. Clark - 121
3. P. Keiter - 121
5. 117 pts for QB, wiff, Layne, and Ng's Dad

Ngamer's record of 126-50 is good for a 71.6% winning percentage and has him ranked in the 99.0% percentile of picks worldwide (ranked 3851st of the 390,000+ predictors at ESPN).

Pigskin Weekly Wins
1. Keiter - 2.5
2. Clark - 1.5
2. Matt - 1.5
2. Ng - 1.5
5. Ng's Sister - 1
5. Sanders - 1
5. Comet - 1
5. Ng's Dad - 1
5. QB - 1
10. Nate - .5
10. Come - .5
10. Ng's Cousin - .5
10. Neo - .5
10. Shep -.5
10. Layne - .5
10. wiff - .5

For these rankings you're awarded a full point for an untied #1, and a half point for every week you tie for the win.

Picks Against the Spread
1. Ngamer - 96 (+7 trash)
2. Third - 93 (+7 trash)
3. QB - 92
4. Youse - 87 (+10 trash)
5. Neo - 82

Survival Picks
Only 4 Eliters remain in the hunt:
* Mikers
* drag
* QB
* Neo

Eliminations:
Week 2 - Packers (Ngamer, Shep, Third, wheat)
Week 2 - No Pick (Clark)
Week 3 - Redskins (DK)
Week 5 - Bills (Jimbo)
Week 6 - Eagles (Cad, Come, octo, Sanders)
Week 8 - Lions (Matt)
Week 8 - Cardinals (Sucram)
Week 9 - Packers (frantic)
Week 10 - Broncos (Cyber)
Week 11 - No Pick (Nate)
Week 11 - Bengals (Youse)

RWG · « **Reply #68 on:** December 07, 2009, 06:13:00 am »

Fine wheat.

Last week I did have $2 Saints moneyline at -128 and won $1.56. This means.

Goose YTD: +$1.56

Might bet on tomorrow's game. Inclining towards the Ravens since PDO says they are good.

Jimbo · « **Reply #69 on:** December 07, 2009, 01:30:00 pm »

PDO is a delusional lunatic! Ravens are road underdogs this week vs the best quarterback of the decade, so don't bet them!

wheatrich · « **Reply #70 on:** December 07, 2009, 01:49:00 pm »

Raiders would sweep both Ohio and Pennsylvania this season if they beat the Browns which means they'd win the presidency.
With the results this weekend the NFC 6 playoff teams all but come down to 3 spots for the following 4 teams (regardless of GB's result tonight)
NYG swept Dal for that potential tiebreaker, at Was, Phi, Car, at Min (quite possibly meaningless for the Vikes) Pretty favorable though first two definitely not gimmes though I wouldn't blame the skins for tanking the rest of the season after that BS loss to the Saints.
Dal SD at home, at Was (not a gimme), at NO (lol), and Phi at home. yeesh, Mr. November still might again go 0 for december. and miss the playoffs again if they do that.
GB Bal, at Chi, at Pit, Sea, at Ari. 2-3 and they're still very likely in the playoffs (3-2's all but a lock).
Phi. at NYG, SF, Den, at Dal. well based on the cowboys history this means they should go 2-2 more than enough to get in.

Really hard for 3 to make it out of one division...

is it just me or if the Raiders get a real QB are they automatically 8-8 or better next season? Just me. Ok then.

AFC teams
San Diego--they really just need Was at home for 10 wins the other three games are at Dal, Cin, at Ten. not gimmes at all.
Denver looks good right now all they need to do is take care of Oak and KC at home and that's 10 wins (other two are tough road games) for a WC spot
Jacksonville took control of the 2nd spot with a 7-5 record because they have a very good AFC record (ie 1-3 with 2 blowouts vs the NFC west) but tough schedule (ind and miami at home, at NE, Cle [ok I like that last one] 2 wins gets to 9-7 and will force somebody to go 10-6 really cause of that tiebreaker [unless it's miami/NE while losing to them obviously] They missed both Pit and Balt this season.
Baltimore with or without the game tonight they're in ok shape Lions and Bears at home next 2 after tonight (in a 3 straight NFC north fun fest) then at Pit (which may or may not be massive hard to tell right now), at Oak [suddenly not a count the win on the scoreboard game]
Pittsburgh, okay, Ward THAT was a must win game. at Cle (must win) GB at home (now a must win), Bal at home (probably a must win now), at Mia (yikes, well they might get away with 3-1 if they lose only to GB) I don't like their odds much.

the AFC east--thanks to NE suckage now that whole division is up for grabs with 3 teams in the mix for the title and the last WC spot.
New England car at home (well they can't defend the pass vs a team that can't pass), at Buf (an ugly game no matter what's going on), Jax, at Hou. All of a sudden that Car game is a must win game cause it's the easiest left on the schedule.
Miami at Jax, at Ten, Hou, Pit, all solid games left. That Mia vs Pit final game could be for the final postseason spot or absolutely meaningless.
NYJ at TB, ATL, at Ind, Cin. Amazingly favorable schedule for the Jets here with Atl not having their starting QB and RB possibly for that game and the Colts likely will have clinched everything by their game and the Bengals contest is likely meaningless for them as well. I think they should be the clear favorites to win the division as a result. Strange how the Buffalo at home loss hurts more than the Miami sweep (or that loss to the Jags even)

a fantasy update tomorrow--seems like the cream of the crop took care of things this week but there's still a few things to be determined and several teams not in the top 4 still have a shot at making the championship playoffs.

youseinthehouse · « **Reply #71 on:** December 07, 2009, 04:16:00 pm »

Ravens 18, Packers 17

RWG · « **Reply #72 on:** December 07, 2009, 06:32:00 pm »

AAron Rogers is the best QB of the decade? WTF?

Goose bets the NFL Week 13

Baltimore Ravens @ Green Bay Packers

Money Line for game +180

Risking 1.25 to win 2.25

Goose YTD: +$1.56

wheatrich · « **Reply #73 on:** December 08, 2009, 08:48:00 am »

Jimbo was losing by 40 heading into the monday night game and scored... 35 or so. Anyway here's the updated standings and results
(didn't include the decimals--so what)

Wheat 38 Shep 61. Wheat is headed to the toilet bowl and after his team's performance they deserve it!
Jimbo 77 Come 84 Jimbo's packers furious rally falls short. Come had a pretty good sweat though!
DK 88 Boss 60 Boss was 1st just a short while ago and now he's fighting to just to make the consolation playoffs.
NG 62 Neo 51. Neo had Carney as his kicker, if he had Hartley instead he would've won. NG called his team's performance clutch. (Jason Campbell are you kidding me)
Wiff 59 PDO (who died awhile ago) 48. Lame but wiff gets it done here.
QB 83 Third 64. Carry on.

Here's the updated standings and matchups
1. DK 8-5 913
2. QB 8-5 911
3. Come 8-5 899
4. Jimbo 7-6 946
5. NG 7-6 865
6. Boss 7-6 845
7. Shep 7-6 809
8. Wiff 7-6 787
9. Neo 6-7 870
10. Third 6-7 812
11. Wheat 5-8 875 (just like the Bears I started 3-1 lol)
12. PDO 2-something so who cares

and now for this week's exciting matchups!
Boss vs Wheat. Wheat's looking to play spoiler here in his final game of the season. Boss while he does still have title hopes--are a bit of a huge longshot.
PDO vs NG. Talk about a scheduling break. He still needs a little help but he wins and he's got a shot.
DK vs Come. Game of the Week though both are likely playing for a title anyway thanks to both teams being in the top 4 in points scored. If I were come though this isn't the week to put up a wheat or PDO like 40 point performance.
QB vs Wiff. QB took advantage of his schedule and is also likely playing for the final four. Wiff needs a win just to not be in the toilet bowl again.
Shep vs Third. Third needs a win to get out of the toilet bowl. Shep still has a miracle chance of 4th.
Jimbo vs Neo. Neo's eliminated from title contention unless he wins 100-20 or so here. Jimbo's in the title picture with a victory. Neo does need a win to avoid the toilet bowl though as well.

(I'm not throwing in 50+ point make up gaps and ties as those are very unrealistic)

DK, QB, and Come are all but locks to make the final four but who will join them?
Jimbo--in with win OR NG, Shep, Wiff, and Boss losses
Ngamer--in with win and Jimbo loss (and doesn't get outscored by boss by more than 20 points) yeah there's a scenario that he could overtake come in points scored but 35 behind with one week left is hard to make up (and look at come's team...)
Boss--in with win and Jimbo and NG loss or he makes up the 20 on NG.
Shep--in with win and Jimbo, Boss, and Ngamer losses (and stays ahead of Wiff or Wiff loses)
Wiff--in with win and Jimbo, Ngamer, Boss and Shep losing or he makes up the ground on shep but the others still need to lose.
Neo--beats Jimbo by 80 and every other 7-6 team loses. Yeah...
and that's really it. There's still a good fight for 8th between 10th-6th or so as well but whatever.

Lots of huge Neo fans this week. (and to a lesser extent PDO and Wheat as well)

Jimbo could also be the first team I can remember to be in first place with 2 games left in the season and end up in the consolation playoffs.

.. · « **Reply #74 on:** December 08, 2009, 11:13:00 am »

DK vs Come has a decent chance to happen 2 weeks in a row... and obviously my matchups next week are way better than my matchups in 2 weeks

Glad I could avoid Jimbo luckboxing his way into a win last night, would've put me on extreme tilt.

Imperfect Clark · « **Reply #75 on:** December 08, 2009, 01:52:00 pm »

I don't know how I'm second in pick'em. I'm 4th in a league of 8 of my friends with the same entry. But Mangamer is definitely raping.

DavidK5 · « **Reply #76 on:** December 08, 2009, 08:13:00 pm »

I don't know how I'm in first. The teams I had to play twice this season were Jimbo, Boss, and Come. That's a pretty tough schedule. Oddly enough, I had to play Jimbo and Come (who won the championship) twice last year as well. Somehow I'm 3-0 all-time against Come in fantasy, although that streak is going to end this week (Come's matchups are absurd and Ward is too much of a pussy to play against the Browns).

Ngamer · « **Reply #77 on:** December 17, 2009, 07:39:00 pm »

Part One -

Get in your picks RIGHT NOW! The Colts play the Jaguars in a mere 2 hours! There's also another early game between the Saints and Cowboys on Saturday, so this is one week where you really want to have things set before Sunday morning.

Part Two -

And now here is an

NFL UPDATE AFTER WEEK 14

Here's how things are shaping up at (about) the 7/8th point in the 2009 season!

Pigskin Pick'Em
1. Ngamer - 149
2. Clark - 142
3. P. Keiter - 141
4. QB - 140
4. Layne - 140

Ngamer's record of 150-58 is good for a 72.1% winning percentage and has him ranked in the 99.7% percentile of picks worldwide (ranked 1099st of the 390,000+ predictors at ESPN).

Pigskin Weekly Wins
1. Keiter - 2.5
2. QB - 2
2. R. Sanders - 2
4. Ng - 1.5
4. Clark - 1.5
4. Matt - 1.5
7. Ng's Sister - 1
7. Comet - 1
7. Ng's Dad - 1
10. Nate - .5
10. Come - .5
10. Ng's Cousin - .5
10. Neo - .5
10. Shep -.5
10. Layne - .5
10. wiff - .5

For these rankings you're awarded a full point for an untied #1, and a half point for every week you tie for the win.

Picks Against the Spread
1. Ngamer - 115 (+7 trash)
2. QB - 108
2. Third - 108 (+7 trash)
4. Neo - 90
5. Youse - 87 (+10 trash)

Survival Picks
Only 4 Eliters remain in the hunt:
* Mikers
* drag
* QB
* Neo

Eliminations:
Week 2 - Packers (Ngamer, Shep, Third, wheat)
Week 2 - No Pick (Clark)
Week 3 - Redskins (DK)
Week 5 - Bills (Jimbo)
Week 6 - Eagles (Cad, Come, octo, Sanders)
Week 8 - Lions (Matt)
Week 8 - Cardinals (Sucram)
Week 9 - Packers (frantic)
Week 10 - Broncos (Cyber)
Week 11 - No Pick (Nate)
Week 11 - Bengals (Youse)

Part Three -

I'd like to take a moment to congratulate Ng's Superteam, the first auto-drafted team in history to make the Elite playoffs. Let's give them a big round of applause!

Here are your final 2009 Regular Season Standings for the Elite's Fantasy league:

Rank	Team	W-L-T	Pct	Pts	Streak	Waiver	Moves
*1.	Daytona Wildcats	9-5-0	.643	999.25	W-6	12	38
*2.	Come	9-5-0	.643	986.46	W-7	5	29
*3.	Penalty on Jax	8-6-0	.571	963.54	L-1	10	23
*4.	Ng's Superpack!	8-6-0	.571	939.80	W-2	8	27
5.	Shep's Shambles	8-6-0	.571	887.84	W-3	1	34
6.	Jimbo's Food Brigade	7-7-0	.500	999.08	L-2	9	12
7.	Killer Kangaroos	7-7-0	.500	932.60	W-1	4	11
8.	Boss	7-7-0	.500	916.58	L-5	7	30
9.	The Stache Brigade?	7-7-0	.500	835.93	L-1	6	17
10.	The Wheatfield	6-8-0	.429	965.13	W-1	11	24
11.	Heroes	6-8-0	.429	879.04	L-2	2	24
12.	Kingers KINGS	2-12-0	.143	699.31	L-4	3	4

Which means that for this first round of playoffs we have:

Eliminated from playoff contention: wiff, wheat, Third, PDO

Consolation Playoffs
5. Shep
VS
8. Boss

6. Jimbo
VS
7. Neo

Championship Playoffs
1. QB
VS
4. Ngamer

2. Come
VS
3. DK

Interestingly enough, two of these matchups are exact repeats from last week. We'll see if DK and Jimbo can get revenge for their W14 defeats to these same teams!

Boss · « **Reply #78 on:** December 17, 2009, 11:10:00 pm »

I finished 3rd with auto draft last year and even got a kicker in the 9th round!

Ngamer · « **Reply #79 on:** December 18, 2009, 08:11:00 pm »

Ah yes, your D- Team, I'd forgotten about that. Knew you'd turned it around that year but didn't realize that team finished third. And now for a HOT BET.

Ng Bets the NFL - Week 15

Risking $5 to win $5.01 on the Superteam to defeat the Daytona Wildcats outright

YTD Tally: -$9.43

Boss · « **Reply #80 on:** December 20, 2009, 01:08:00 am »

You must have done that bet AFTER Thursday because I would have thought QB was like a 60/40 favorite before Thursday. So much for the Saints..

Boss · « **Reply #81 on:** December 21, 2009, 12:46:00 am »

And so much for the Vikes lol no surprise there.. kinda won't even mind if they go to LA since it's just the same ol' story each year.

Jimbo · « **Reply #82 on:** December 21, 2009, 01:12:00 pm »

ohoho, can't say I disagree! Move to WI and become a Packers fan imo.

wheatrich · « **Reply #83 on:** December 22, 2009, 05:23:00 am »

I hate yuku. Not logged in lose the whole post.

Anyway, basically I posted this link http://www.advancednflsta...-have-kicked-onside.html

and said ngamer owes me an apology and looks like the onside kick was actually the correct decision even including some factors which that quick math doesn't take into account.

Anyway, on to the fantasy playoffs!

[insert mora you tube link]

Ngamer pulled out the luckbox card putting in Cribbs and his 3 WR's accounted for over 10 each and MJD's 20 were more than good enough as he took out QB who suffers the #1 curse as others have this season in a 99-53 (ish yahoo reverted as I'm typing this) loss.

DK's team laid a massive egg again this week and his last two weeks combined wouldn't have been enough to defeat Come who now has an 8 game win streak as come wins 83-38.

Final 2. Come vs 4. Ngamer
Come's team is the new #1 and will he suffer the dreaded #1 curse? (I think Ng was #1 way back somewhere in the season but not sure; we had a ton of 1st place teams this season, third, wheat, QB, boss, Jimbo, DK, and now Come) Ngamer might need another luckbox performance to win this prestigious fantasy championship as Come has consistently putting up 80+ (though when did that Fitz trade go through--third probably handed him this opportunity...)

Third Place QB vs DK. Do either care? DK has to feel like he's got the 11th place team so anything here is great.

The consolation playoffs turned into epic contests where Shep manages to hang on to Boss's last minute threat 70.8-69.3. He will face Neo who defeats Jimbo twice in a row 79-74.

The seventh place match is the fall from grace match as both Boss and Jimbo were #1 in the last month. Boss might be on suicide watch if he finishes eighth though so we're definitely not rooting for that.

Ngamer · « **Reply #84 on:** December 23, 2009, 03:16:00 am »

Ng Bets the NFL - Week 16

Risking $5 to win $30.00 on Avatar to win the Academy Award for Best Picture

YTD Tally: -$4.43

EDIT - This bet is currently in limbo. Keep it in your prayers.

Quiet Bol · « **Reply #85 on:** December 23, 2009, 07:11:00 pm »

Well, I told you at the time that the odds had been taken down. They're back up now with Avatar at 9/2, meaning you could risk $5 to win $22.50. (Technically the line is closed for betting but I'll honor it anyway, at least until it changes again.)

I'm sure you'd like to go back to the NFL preseason and bet the Saints to win the Super Bowl at 20/1 also, but it doesn't work like that. Next time, you'll act faster when given such a terrific opportunity.

Boss · « **Reply #86 on:** December 23, 2009, 10:54:00 pm »

Well I expected a slide after my wiff start, but never did I think 8th place was in my cards. I always seem to run into a buzz saw week after week now (and Jimbo is setting up well but I should be alright myself with mostly home team players).

Ngamer · « **Reply #87 on:** December 25, 2009, 07:21:00 pm »

WARNING: There is a game between the Chargers and Titans tonight! Make sure you have your picks in and rosters set within the next.. two hours!

Imperfect Clark · « **Reply #88 on:** December 28, 2009, 12:22:00 pm »

I am coming for you, mangamer (non-spread). Will probably need to pick a few upsets for the final week though...

wheatrich · « **Reply #89 on:** December 29, 2009, 02:30:00 am »

With all the possibilities in the NFC next week here are the scenarios

#2 seed

Phi gets this with a win

Dal gets this with a win and Vikes and Cards losses. They win the division tiebreaker and then the 3 way tiebreaker (I think thanks to strength of victory because NFC East is way better than the NFC north and west)

Min gets this with a win and a Phi loss

Ari gets this with a win and a Min loss and a Phi loss (though ng was indeed correct that Ari would beat Dal in a h2h tiebreaker there is no scenario that gets Ari and Dallas only in that tiebreaker so that doesn't apply)

Possibilities for GB include at Dal, at Min and at Ari or even at Phi* for their 1st round game
Possibilities for Phi include at Dal, at Min or at Ari for their 1st round game* (they could even be the 6 seed instead of the current #2)
Possiblities for Dal include at Ari at Min at Phi* (also could be the 2 instead of the current 6)

*something may look wrong but I'm counting ties here (GB at Phi, Dal at Phi are only doable with a tie and possibly one of the Phi at scenarios as well)

now on to the AFC and that crapshoot and I'm not including ties here because I don't want to kill myself (so I copy/pasted this from nfl.com lol)

Denver
Broncos clinch playoff berth with DEN win + 1) NYJ loss + losses by BAL or PIT, OR 2) NYJ loss + HOU win, OR 3) BAL loss + PIT loss or HOU win. Broncos can clinch berth with DEN loss any combination of losses by 1) PIT + BAL + HOU + JAC, OR 2) PIT + BAL + HOU + NYJ, OR 3) PIT + BAL + JAC + NYJ, OR 4) PIT + HOU + JAC + NYJ, OR 5) MIA + NYJ + BAL + HOU + JAC.

They don't control their destiny. Broncos would lose common opponents tiebreaker to Jets and head-to-head to Baltimore if all three are tied after Week 17.

edit--btw the reason they are listed 5th is because they do win the common opponent tiebreaker currently however with the Jets having to play the Bengals and if they win then they lose that tiebreaker and next the tiebreaker vs the Ravens and would miss the playoffs but this week would've made it

Jets are win and they're the 5 seed lose and they're out. Yeah, that's the Jets scenario--a loss would lose the multiway tiebreaker and a win would win that multi way tiebreaker. (ok fine, tie and everybody else loses)

Ravens are win and win as well (lose tiebreaker to Jets, beat Denver h2h)

Texans clinch playoff berth with HOU win + 1) NYJ loss + BAL loss or DEN loss, OR 2) BAL loss + DEN loss.

Steelers clinch playoff berth with PIT win + 1) HOU loss + NYJ loss or BAL loss, OR 2) NYJ loss + BAL loss + DEN loss.

Dolphins clinch playoff berth with MIA win + NYJ loss + BAL loss + HOU loss + JAC loss.

Jaguars clinch playoff berth with JAC win + 1) PIT loss + BAL loss + DEN loss + HOU loss, OR 2) PIT loss + BAL loss + DEN loss + NYJ loss, OR 3) PIT loss + BAL loss + HOU loss + NYJ loss, OR 4) PIT loss + DEN loss + HOU loss + NYJ loss, OR 5) NYJ loss + DEN loss + HOU loss + BAL loss.

All of the losses include ties if the team is below them record wise.

Ngamer · « **Reply #90 on:** December 29, 2009, 04:19:00 am »

Alright, I ran all possible scenarios regarding the three NFC games that matter next week. Assuming they're all "coin flips",

* Eagles take the #2 seed 50% of the time
* Vikes take the #2 seed 25%
* Cowboys take the #2 seed 13%
* Cardinals take the #2 seed 13%

* Packers vs Cards and Eagles vs Cowboys rematches the following week happen 25% of the time (however in both cases Dallas would host the rematch, not Philly as in W17)

* Packers @ Cards happens 75% of the time (Pack @ Vikes happens with Eagles/Cards/Vikes wins, Pack @ Cowboys happens with Cowboys/Cards/Giants wins)

* if the Eagles miss the #2 (aka they lose to the Cowboys), they have a 50/50 shot of playing the Vikes/Cowboys (both games would be on the road)

* Cowboys get the #2 13%, @ Vikes 38%, @ Cards 13%, host Eagles 25%, host Packers 13%

* Cardinals get the #2 13%, host Packers 75%, host Cowboys 13%

* Vikes get the #2 25%, host Cowboys 25%, host Eagles 25%, host Packers 13%, host Cardinals 13%
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Since the Vikings/Giants game will be done by the time that the Eagles/Cowboys and Packers/Cards kick off (both those will be played at the same time), let's break down the scenarios thusly:

If the Vikings defeat the Giants...

* Packers @ Cards is a lock, so their game is meaningless
* Eagles win means they get the #2 and force the Cowboys to play @ the Vikings
* Cowboys win sets up a rematch vs Eagles, but in Dallas this time (Vikes get the #2)

If the Giants defeat the Vikings...

* Eagles win earns them the #2 and forces Cowboys on the road (vs Cards with Cards win, or Vikes with Pack win)
* Cowboys win earns them the #2 with a Packers win, #3 and hosting the Packers with a Cards win
* Packers win guarantees Pack @ Cards
* Cards win earns them the #2 with a Cowboys win, #3 and hosting the Cowboys with an Eagles win

wheatrich · « **Reply #91 on:** December 29, 2009, 01:33:00 pm »

f the Vikings defeat the Giants... packers @ cards is a lock.

1--the seed does matter either 3/6 or 4/5 and the 3 >>>>> the 4 (since it's easier to host the championship game as a 3 than a 4--though Ari did do so last season
2--it's technically not true. A GB Arizona tie and a Dallas win under that scenario will make GB @ Dal and Phi @ Ari for round 1.

Phi @ Dal and GB @ Ari are rematches in the same stadiums if Dal and Min win.

NYJ @ Cin is locked in with a Jets victory on sunday night as well.

Hou @ NE can happen as well with a Hou win, Den, Balt losses. (Jets Bengals doesn't really matter that much somehow for the Texans)

Quiet Bol · « **Reply #92 on:** January 02, 2010, 02:50:00 pm »

I don't need to wait on any week 17 results to analyze my season-long props. Here goes.

Season Win Totals
San Diego Chargers OVER 9.5 wins - Risked $450 to win $300 WIN +$300
St. Louis Rams OVER 5.5 wins - Risked $420 to win $300 LOSS -$420
Arizona Cardinals UNDER 8.5 wins - Risked $125 to win $100 LOSS -$125

Futures
San Diego Chargers to win the Super Bowl - Risked $200 to win $2600

Player Props
Maurice Jones Drew OVER 1050 rushing yards - Risked $250 to win $200 WIN +$200
Brandon Jacobs OVER 1050 rushing yards - Risked $210 to win $200 LOSS -$210
Jamal Lewis UNDER 950 rushing yards - Risked $187.50 to win $150 WIN +$150
Willie Parker UNDER 950 rushing yards - Risked $110.25 to win $105 WIN +$105
Michael Turner UNDER 1500 rushing yards - Risked $250 to win $200 WIN +$200

Darren Sproles OVER 575 rushing & receiving yards - Risked $230 to win $200 WIN +$200

Domenik Hixon OVER 700 receiving yards - Risked $250 to win $200 LOSS -$250
Hines Ward OVER 900 receiving yards - Risked $57.50 to win $50 WIN +$50
Marques Colston OVER 1025 receiving yards - Risked $60 to win $50 WIN +$50

Steven Jackson OVER 8.5 TDs - Risked $250 to win $200 LOSS -$250
Domenik Hixon OVER 4.5 TDs - Risked $250 to win $200 LOSS -$250
Matt Forte OVER 10.5 TDs - Risked $240 to win $200 LOSS -$240
Larry Johnson OVER 5.5 TDs - Risked $230 to win $200 LOSS -$230
Anthony Gonzalez OVER 5.5 TDs - Risked $230 to win $200 LOSS -$230
Knowshon Moreno OVER 5.5 TDs - Risked $230 to win $200 WIN +$200
Ted Ginn OVER 4.5 TDs - Risked $230 to win $200 LOSS -$230
Julius Jones OVER 3 TDs - Risked $230 to win $200 WIN +$200
Bernard Berrian OVER 6.5 TDs - Risked $230 to win $200 LOSS -$230
Willie Parker OVER 5 TDs - Risked $230 to win $200 LOSS -$230
DeSean Jackson OVER 4.5 TDs - Risked $125 to win $100 WIN +$100
Rashard Mendenhall OVER 4 TDs - Risked $115 to win $100 WIN +$100
Wes Welker OVER 5.5 TDs - Risked $110 to win $100 LOSS -$110
Donald Driver OVER 5 TDs - Risked $105 to win $100 WIN +$100
Le'Ron McClain UNDER 7.5 TDs - Risked $97.50 to win $75 WIN +$75
Michael Turner UNDER 14.5 TDs - Risked $62.50 to win $50 WIN +$50
Derrick Mason OVER 5 TDs - Risked $57.50 to win $50 WIN +$50
Jerricho Cotchery OVER 4.5 TDs - Risked $57.50 to win $50 LOSS -$57.50
Roy Williams OVER 6.5 TDs - Risked $33.75 to win $25 WIN +$25
Beanie Wells OVER 4.5 TDs - Risked $32.50 to win $25 WIN +$25
Ricky Williams UNDER 4.5 TDs - Risked $32.50 to win $25 LOSS -$32.50

Marc Bulger OVER 11.5 TD passes - Risked $130 to win $100 LOSS -$130
Ben Roethlisberger OVER 18.5 TD passes - Risked $115 to win $100 WIN +$100

Eli Manning UNDER 18.5 interceptions - Risked $230 to win $200 WIN +$200
Jay Cutler UNDER 17.5 interceptions - Risked $120 to win $100 LOSS -$120

Terrell Suggs OVER 7.5 sacks - Risked $230 to win $200 LOSS -$230
Gaines Adams OVER 6.5 sacks - Risked $230 to win $200 LOSS -$230
Brian Orakpo OVER 4.5 sacks - Risked $30 to win $25 WIN +$25

Champ Bailey OVER 2.5 interceptions - Risked $115 to win $100 WIN +$100

Michael Vick will not start a game at QB this season. Risked $210 to win $100. He should be 3rd string and according to Reid, he is. There's no reason he should start a game unless McNabb and Kolb both go down. Hope I'm not wrong about that. WIN +$100

UNDER 8.5 of last year's playoff teams to return to the playoffs this season - Risked $480 to win $300 WIN +$300

Was gonna color-code but...too much work.

Total: 24-19, -$800

Expert bet-sizing. Guess vig got me pretty good too.

Rams/Bears really hurt me by not living up to expectations and Hixon got me twice by unexpectedly getting injured in the preseason and losing his starting job. Anthony Gonzalez going down for the season was pretty unfair too. Them's the breaks.

Go Chargers!

Ngamer · « **Reply #93 on:** January 03, 2010, 04:12:00 am »

Your long wait has paid off!

NFL UPDATE AFTER WEEK 16

Here's how things are shaping up with a mere 1 week left in the 2009 season!

Pigskin Pick'Em
1. Ngamer - 165
2. Clark - 162
3. P. Keiter - 160
4. QB - 158
4. Ng's Dad and Ng's Sister - 156

Ngamer's record of 166-74 is good for a 69.2% winning percentage and has him ranked in the 98.6% percentile of picks worldwide (ranked 5959th of the 390,000+ predictors at ESPN).

* Dang, you guys are going to have to step up your game if you don't want to see three Barbers in the final Top Five!

Pigskin Weekly Wins
1. Keiter - 3
2. R. Sanders - 2.5
3. QB - 2
3. Ng's Sister - 2
3. Clark - 2
6. Ng - 1.5
6. Matt - 1.5
6. Comet - 1.5
9. Ng's Dad - 1
9. Ng's Cousin - 1
9. Neo - 1
9. Layne - 1
13. Nate - .5
13. Come - .5
13. Shep -.5
13. wiff - .5
13. octo - .5
13. Sucram - .5

For these rankings you're awarded a full point for an untied #1, and a half point for every week you tie for the win.

Picks Against the Spread
1. Ngamer - 128 (+7 trash)
2. Third - 122 (+7 trash)
3. QB - 121
4. Youse - 111 (+10 trash)
5. Neo - 105

Survival Picks
Only 1 Eliter remains in the hunt:
* QB

Eliminations:
Week 2 - Packers (Ngamer, Shep, Third, wheat)
Week 2 - No Pick (Clark)
Week 3 - Redskins (DK)
Week 5 - Bills (Jimbo)
Week 6 - Eagles (Cad, Come, octo, Sanders)
Week 8 - Lions (Matt)
Week 8 - Cardinals (Sucram)
Week 9 - Packers (frantic)
Week 10 - Broncos (Cyber)
Week 11 - No Pick (Nate)
Week 11 - Bengals (Youse)
Week 15 - Broncos (mikers, drag)
Week 16 - Saints (Neo)

* We're just one QB pick away from having two straight seasons with a perfect Eliter!

Ngamer · « **Reply #94 on:** January 04, 2010, 12:18:00 am »

FINAL 2009 NFL STANDINGS

Here we go- this is how everything ends up for the '09 season!

Pigskin Pick'Em
1. Ngamer - 176
2. Clark - 174
3. P. Keiter - 171
4. QB - 168
4. Ng's Dad - 168
4. Ng's Sister - 168

Ngamer's record of 177-79 is good for a 69.1% winning percentage and has him ranked in the 99.6% percentile of picks worldwide (ranked 1670th of the 390,000+ predictors at ESPN).

Congratulations to Ngamer, your 2009 NFL Picks Champion! He takes over the crown from mikers, who defeated wiff by 4 picks last season (mikers ended up 171-85, 66.8%, and in the 99.4 percentile at ESPN).

However, the real congrats are due to the entire Ngamer Family. Ng's Dad and Sister both ended on a tear, forcing a tie (with Clark) for the W17 win at 12-4, allowing them both to tie QB and leave us with three Barbers in the final Top Five!

Pigskin Weekly Wins
1. Keiter - 3
2. R. Sanders - 2.5
2. Ng's Sister - 2.5
2. Clark - 2.5
3. QB - 2
6. Ng - 1.5
6. Matt - 1.5
6. Comet - 1.5
6. Ng's Dad - 1.5
10. Ng's Cousin - 1
10. Neo - 1
10. Layne - 1
13. Nate - .5
13. Come - .5
13. Shep -.5
13. wiff - .5
13. octo - .5
13. Sucram - .5

Despite a spirited final week effort from Clark and Ng's Sister, Keiter had built up too large a cushion earlier in the year and escapes with the overall win for weekly victories.

Picks Against the Spread
1. Ngamer - 135
2. Third - 131
3. QB - 128
4. Youse - 117
5. Neo - 114

Congrats to Ngamer, who defends his '08 Spread Championship by taking home the crown once again this season! His record of 135 correct picks is identical to his winning total from last year; however this time he had closer competition (next best in '08 was Boss with 129). QB improved by 2 picks this year, but it was only good enough to land him the same Bronze medal he took home last time.

Survival Picks
ZERO Eliters survive the 2009 season!

Eliminations:
Week 2 - Packers (Ngamer, Shep, Third, wheat)
Week 2 - No Pick (Clark)
Week 3 - Redskins (DK)
Week 5 - Bills (Jimbo)
Week 6 - Eagles (Cad, Come, octo, Sanders)
Week 8 - Lions (Matt)
Week 8 - Cardinals (Sucram)
Week 9 - Packers (frantic)
Week 10 - Broncos (Cyber)
Week 11 - No Pick (Nate)
Week 11 - Bengals (Youse)
Week 15 - Broncos (mikers, drag)
Week 16 - Saints (Neo)
Week 17 - Broncos (QB)

Congrats to QB for surviving the longest of any Eliter this season, but he couldn't quite pull out the perfect season, as Neo did in '08! I liked his Denver pick, considering they had everything to play for and were up against a team that should have been thinking lottery. What's up with these Bosshardt-like late season collapses from the Broncos lately?

Ngamer · « **Reply #95 on:** January 04, 2010, 12:35:00 am »

Note: Ng lead the league in both Pigskin and Spread starting in Week 8. He was never removed from that position (or tied for that position) for the remainder of the season.

On a more deflating note,

Ng Bets the NFL - Week 17

Risking $5 to win $4.55 on the Eagles to finish within 3 points of the Cowboys

YTD Tally: -$4.43

*mutters to himself*
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Now, here's the final table for Pigskin Picks (displaying weeks 10-17).

Group Results
RNK	Entry, Owner	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	TOTAL	PCT
1	Ng's SuperPicks!, J. Bearder	11	11	10	11	13	7	9	10	175	99.6
2	Roethlisberger Rape Squad, D. Clark	10	13	11	9	12	9	11	11	173	99.0
3	Alveniacs, P. Keiter	11	12	11	8	12	10	9	10	170	97.3
4	Esox Magnus, R. Bearder	9	14	10	11	11	8	9	11	167	94.1
4	QB's Steady Selections, J. Lay	10	11	14	11	12	9	9	9	167	94.1
4	Padfoot30, J. Bearder	10	11	13	2	10	10	11	11	167	94.1
7	stache picks?, T. Andrews	9	12	11	11	11	8	8	9	164	89.9
7	Octo's Picks, P. McCanna	7	12	10	12	11	9	11	9	164	89.9
9	matt8000s Pants, M. H	7	11	11	11	11	8	10	8	161	85.5
9	BrewCity Blitzed, M. Jansen	9	12	12	11	10	10	10	10	161	85.5
11	Sucramonkey, M. Dolejsi	10	11	13	7	9	9	11	7	155	77.9
12	Topes, R. Sanders	7	9	9	13	8	10	9	0	154	76.8
13	Teh_Comet 1, s. haley	7	8	13	8	11	10	8	9	153	75.8
14	PoloJAL 1, J. Layne	10	11	9	11	12	10	0	0	150	73.0
15	Cyber's picks, B. Cutler	9	11	12	10	10	8	9	0	149	72.2
16	Neo's Aussie Picks, P. Johannessen	8	13	11	12	0	10	10	9	145	69.4
17	comeasur337 1, s. bryze	9	12	10	9	10	0	0	0	134	63.6
18	Nate's Losers, N. Stinson	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	88	49.5
19	darthrob64, R. Shepherd	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	68	43.9
20	Jimbo's Food Brigade, J. Barrett	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	66	43.3
21	aut0cads Aussie Picks 2, T. Price	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	48	37.9
22	Stafford's Interceptions, D. Kovaz	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	45	36.9
23	Wolley's Winners, G. Woll	0	0	0	11	0	0	0	0	39	34.7
24	kjller 1, D. Dykstra	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	21	26.3
25	mikerspd, M. Dolejsi	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	18	23.4
26	wheatrich, b. wingert	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	12	18.3
27	AshesDivide 1, T. Wishall	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0

And while we're at it, here are the final results for Fantasy Football 2009.

League Champion

Come

2nd: Ng's Superpack!
3rd: Penalty on Jax
4th: Daytona Wildcats
5th Shep's Shambles: 6th Neo's Kangaroos
7th Boss's Bosses: 8th Jimbo's Food Brigade

And finals from the regular season:

Rank	Team	W-L-T	Pct	Pts	Streak	Waiver	Moves
*1.	Come	9-5-0	.643	986.46	W-7	5	30
*2.	Ng's Superpack!	8-6-0	.571	939.80	W-2	7	32
*3.	Penalty on Jax	8-6-0	.571	963.54	L-1	9	24
*4.	Daytona Wildcats	9-5-0	.643	999.25	W-6	11	39
5.	Shep's Shambles	8-6-0	.571	887.84	W-3	1	41
6.	Killer Kangaroos	7-7-0	.500	932.60	W-1	4	11
7.	Boss	7-7-0	.500	916.58	L-5	12	34
8.	Jimbo's Food Brigade	7-7-0	.500	999.08	L-2	8	12
9.	The Stache Brigade?	7-7-0	.500	835.93	L-1	6	17
10.	The Wheatfield	6-8-0	.429	965.13	W-1	10	24
11.	Heroes	6-8-0	.429	879.04	L-2	2	24
12.	Kingers KINGS	2-12-0	.143	699.31	L-4	3	4

Congrats to 2009 Fantasy Champ Come!

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