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« on: December 04, 2009, 06:19:00 am »
                           

It's been talked about by virtually all top level speedrunners.  "How great would our lives be if we were paid to do this?" were cries uttered from the depths of our parents' basement.  Well now is your shot!

Here is how it will work.  People will post their offers in the form of (future achievement) (restrictions) ($cash incentive.)  Any player who gets that achievement will be owed the incentives from whoever offered them within  a reasonable amount of time.  As with any elite bet or loan, those who do not pay in a reasonable amount of time will be banned until they have paid their debt.  This reasonable amount of time will be decided by a panel of judges including but not limited to Axel Andersson, Tyler Wishall, Axel Zakrisson and Jon Bearder.


Fine Print:

-Yes you can remove your offer but this must be done clearly in a separate, unedited post from your original offer. All cancellations must be at least 24 hours before the WR of which the incentive was offered is achieved.  In other words, if John F. offers $1500 on a Dam A 0:52, then removes his offer on July 14, 2011 at 4:16pm GMT, but Dam A 0:52 is achieved by someone on July 15, 2011 at 2:37pm, John F. owes the  person who achieved Dam A 0:52 $1500.  Video proof must be released before the 24 hour time period to receive cash incentives.

- Offers can be player specific.   For example, Steven L. can offer Streets 00 Agent 1:55 (David Clemens) (â‚´150000.00) if he wishes to do so.   Offers can also be player exclusive, for example, Gregory Q. can offer Streets Agent 1:12 (NO RAYAN I.) $150 where the $150 is given to the first player other than Rayan I. to achieve said WR.

- All WR achievers must have available a reasonable way to be paid, including but not limited to PayPal, Pokerstars account, home address to be mailed a personal cheque, money order or banker's draft, etc.  Lack of available methods to be credited may result in a fair loss of all or some offers.

- Minimum incentive is $1.  No maximum incentive however large, unpaid incentives could result in fraud  charges and other legal investigation.

- If a WR of which incentives have been paid is proven to have been faked at a later date, whether it be video editing, gamesharking, emulator, etc, the money will be owed back to those who offered the incentives at par + the annual rate of interest of the banks  in the country of which the incentive giver resided in at the time of original payment.   For instance, if Malcom X achieves Facility A 0:44 and is paid $100 from an American and $300 from a Brazilian, but the Facility A 0:44 is proven to be fake 8  months later, then Malcom X owes the American [(the interest rate of American banks for the 8 month period)*(100)+100] and the Brazilian [(the interest rate  of the Brazilian banks for the 8 month period)*(300)+$300.]

- Unless otherwise specified, all incentives are in units of the local currency of the offerer.   Europeans offer in Euros, Brits offer in British Pounds, Americans offer in U.S. Dollars, Canadians offer in Canadian Dollars, Japanese offer in Yen, etc.  For ease I will paste all typographic currency symbols here; :    à¸¿, ¢, $, €, Æ’, ₲, â‚´, â‚­, £, ₦, Â¥, â‚©, ₪,â‚®


I will keep this post updated with all current offers and their proof  if and only if said proof is not in this thread.

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Active Incentives

Dam Secret Agent 1:16 Marc Rutzou, $50.00

Runway Secret Agent 0:22 Greg Larkin, $10.00 Tyler Wishall, $5.00

Bunker 1 Agent 0:16 Tyler Wishall, $15.00

Silo Agent 0:59 Brandon Sanford (paypal only,) $20.00

Frigate Secret Agent 0:59 Brandon Sanford (paypal only,) $20.00

Streets Agent 1:12 Eddie Lovins, $10.00

Depot 00 Agent 0:49 Brandon Sanford (paypal only,) $20.00

Train Agent 0:59 Tyler Wishall, $10.00

Train 00 Agent 1:49 or under, Brandon Sanford (paypal only,) $20.00

                        
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2009, 11:42:00 am »
this encourages cheating

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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2009, 01:25:00 pm »
I would like to change my cash offer to 50 dollars for Dam Secret Agent 1:16 (The current strat) I'd like to give 1000 $ for the most incredible gaming achieving ever, but i don't have that kind of money anyway Btw, are some willing to give a small offer for Aztec Agent 1:29, Aztec Secret Agent 1:35 or even Aztec 00 Agent 1:39!?
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2009, 01:27:00 pm »
Competition itself encourages cheating...
People may value their rank in the same manner that they value money.

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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2009, 02:03:00 pm »
i value the rank i will hold when i finish speedrunning!

i will never cheat! (though i often feel a little wierd about pr'ing on Frigate w/ J-NTSC)

i think this is a fun idea!



someone should offer me some money if i ever achieve Cavs SA 123! they won't lose anything!


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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2009, 02:07:00 pm »
People cheating is a risk I'm willing to take. Could we also put a time for the offer to be removed before a certain date if not achieved or something?

$10usd for Aztec A 129 OR Aztec OOA 139 OR Streets A 112. (Must happen before March 1st 2010) Only paying the first person to provide video proof. If a second person achieves one of the records, I'm not paying them. I can only pay with PayPal so if you don't have it, I will not be paying you.

(I know this isn't much but if you get a few people who each pay $10 then it could eventually add up + I don't have a job.)

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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2009, 02:28:00 pm »
I'll do $10 for Streets 1:12 as well. EDIT: Paypal only.

Thinking about offering a hefty amount for Cradle DLTK...

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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2009, 02:49:00 pm »
Yeah this is an awesome idea.

I have a couple additional suggestions. Firstly, you need to get rid of giving the ability to stipulate whether or not new strats are allowed. Whether or not a run uses a new strat is in most cases a totally subjective matter, and nobody wants to be arguing about lines in the sand when there's money at stake. I'll give a couple examples to illustrate this. Consider something like Caverns SA. If I put $50 (no new strats) on it and somebody gets 119 using the agent route for objective A, I could probably call this a new strat considering that nobody's ever completed a good time with it, even though everyone knows it's possible to. Whether or not something like that *should* constitute a violation of the "no new strats" clause is irrelevant; I'm probably going to feel somewhat cheated and will not invest in another record. Of course, I could have specified "(no agent route strat)" or something like this, but that doesn't solve the core issue. People can consider a different strafe change patterns as separate strats--I'll bet if Runway A were still at 23 and Bryan does 22 in the future with some money on it, the left strafe to the hut will start up an argument. I think these boards are host to enough asinine arguments as it is, and staking money to their outcomes will only fan the flames much higher.

New strats are simply part of the game. I think protecting investments against new strats is like letting Derek Clark keep his 300 points on Statue as the Trev shot pushes the record down to 2:20. It's a shame that all of the effort he had put into the level was essentially nullified, but that's just the nature of the game. I think it's also nice to give people some incentive to find new strats and timesavers. I remember struggling during my active GE career to justify taking the time to fool around looking for new strats when I knew that I could still achieve a record with the current strat, and have admired players like Henrik and Matt Cook who have always been capable of achieving lots of records with the contemporary strats yet still take the time to investigate new ones.

Another suggestion is to just have a "pot" of money for each level, each difficulty. I think this encourages people to put larger amounts of money at stake. For example, I might be willing to put like $20 on each agent record, $10 on each SA record, and $5 on each 00 record, for a total of $700 on the line. I'd of course never stake close to this much on a single level no matter what the probabilities determine the expected payouts in both cases to be. This is just the concept of having a diversified investment portfolio. Obviously, nothing in your original post prevents people from doing something like this, but I think it's important to emphasize and encourage making smaller investments on more levels over large investments on single levels. More people will invest more money in the former case. It's also the only real sensible option for older, inactive players who don't really have a great idea as to the relative strength/difficulty of the records.

The last option is also a good way for older players to participate: just have some money devoted to the best WR of the month/year/whatever (assuming there is at least one new record), and have a vote for what that WR is. It may seem like a vote like that is a dangerous idea, but I have ideas as to why/how I think it would work and can elaborate if anyone is interested. This is nice because not only is it easy for inactive players to participate, but it also guarantees that some money will be given.

Lastly, this probably goes without saying, but if we actually implement this idea we'll need a nice website to manage all of people's incentives, not just some random topic.

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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2009, 03:18:00 pm »
Nice post, Dan. I think those are some awesome ideas.




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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2009, 04:16:00 pm »
I'll offer $5 to anyone to get Runway Secret Agent 0:22.
I'll offer $15 to anyone to get Bunker 1 Agent 0:16.
I'll offer $10 to anyone to get Train Agent 0:59.

A player who gets one of these times must move the cursor on the endscreen of the completed time.
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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2009, 04:21:00 pm »
Lol 16 and 22

Btw, Very nice post Dan. I would also like to offer $20 for Silo DLTK beaten. I think it would be great if many offered small ammounts on something like Silo DLTK so the total sum for the player to pick up will be big. The player would be much more motivated for a large sum of cash.

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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2009, 05:10:00 pm »
this encourages cheating[1]

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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2009, 05:12:00 pm »
Read my fine print about cheating.

Also, it encourages actually getting the WR just as much as it encourages cheating. It's like the normal WR achievements with an added bonus. It will get players to play harder rather than "cheat" as you are suggesting.
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2009, 05:29:00 pm »
I will read this carefully and think about it more later on, but my first thought is that this encourages cheating. That's a fact. Just think about the Silo DLTK being worth like $200.. that's some good money. And then there's this situation: a new player shows up and within a month he gets Silo DLTK. Will you guys be willing to pay the guy? Or will you ask for TONS of proof before doing that (as you would normally anyway)?

At first, I think this will be a complete mess. Unless you guys cover EVERY single situation and such, just one fact that you didn't discuss before and bam, you're done. Money really fuck things up.

I'd love to see that work but, personally, it just won't. Best luck to you guys, though!!

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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2009, 05:31:00 pm »
People can put on a restriction "Current eliters in GE top 50" which totally eliminates the chances of Denis Lucid II coming along and doing Silo DLTK. It's up to them.
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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2009, 05:55:00 pm »
If you're worried about someone cheating for your money, just make ridiculous proof demands along with your offer. Like say the person has to show the stats beforehand, after the run, show the cheat menu, make a digcam video of the run as well which also then shows the N64 with no gameshark, etc etc. It's your offer so it can be as demanding as you want, and the player accepts that when trying for the time.

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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2009, 06:05:00 pm »
I agree. The offer have the right to demand a bunch of proof.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2009, 06:14:00 pm »
If you're worried about people faking videos just don't put up any money. No matter how many restrictions we place on eligible players/times, the system will obviously never be foolproof. Investing money is a process that always has risk associated with it, and this is no different. Some basic things like taking only players in the top 50, requiring video tape proof, etc reduce the risk, and we can certainly spend all day talking about ways of minimizing the risk, but it will never be eliminated -- that's just life.

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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2009, 06:19:00 pm »
20 bucks paypal only, for the 1st person to get and thus provide a clear and fully legit. (no sketchy shit), for any of these 4 times.

Silo a :59
Frigate sa :59
Depot 00 :49 (I'm tired of seeing a :50 here)
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2009, 06:46:00 pm »
Nice stuff Bcks, will edit in shortly.

Dan. I think your pot idea will naturally happen with enough people offering $10 on Streets 1:12 or Frigate 0:59 or whatever it might be.

 


 

Edited some more stuff into the rules about offers being player exclusive.

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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2009, 09:11:00 pm »
$10 for anyone who achieves Runway Secret Agent 0:22.
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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2009, 12:08:00 am »
Any offers for Statue A/SA 218?

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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2009, 12:23:00 am »
OMG i'm sure some are going to offer some money to see 218 on Agent.
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2009, 12:24:00 am »

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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2009, 12:26:00 am »
Yeah I'm sure most will chicken out on SA, but yeah I may try for 218 A if the price is right.

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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2009, 12:31:00 am »
OMFG that was just a fucking awesome run it was pretty much flawless!! I'll send the money right away.
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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2009, 12:42:00 am »
FFS, if you people are going to offer money, please do so for records that are actually possible. For example, Bunker 2 SA 45. This time is perfectly possible, and I would be willing to play for it if the price is right. However, Runway SA 22 is likely impossible on console and therefor it is a waste of my time to bother. This whole idea is pointless if you guys aren't taking it seriously.

Anyway I would like to place 40 bucks on Statue SA 2:18.

I will also list a few records I would be willing to play for if people will put money on it:

Cradle 00A 35
B2 SA 45
Fac SA 53
Silo 00 122
Bunker 1 00 103
Aztec A 129

Let me know if you want to put up any awards for any of these times.
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« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2009, 12:59:00 am »
Silo 059 and Bunker 1 16 is 100 times more lame. I offered 50 bucks for Dam 116 because some thinks it's possible. Everyone knows that 59 and 16 doesn't exist so what's the point of offering?
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« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2009, 02:02:00 am »
Graham you just made my evening!


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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2009, 09:32:00 am »
if they offer money for "impossible times" and a new strat/timesaver is found that does make them possible, they'll be eating their own words and have to pay eventually. never say never
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« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2009, 04:04:00 pm »
Learn from history. How many times have we all said "that time is maxed" on these forums. It may be highly improbable, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. You of all people should know this.
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« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2009, 05:14:00 pm »
I was thinking of something like this as well prior, based off bountys and such

but theres another possible idea.

Everyone can put into a "pot" this could be seperate then a bounty or whatever. Say 10 people put in 10 dollars. we got 100 dollars. We could then put in a % based reward for certain untieds

example. Bunker 2 SA 45 is worth 10% of total pot. Whatever the pot is you get 10% so in this case would be 10 dollars.

Streets A 1:12 100% of pot. takes the whole thing.

People can contribute any amount of any period of time. Say $2 a month from 20 active eliters would result in 40 dollars a month. Only problem with this whole set up is whoarding. example waiting for pot to reach 500 bucks to claim your wr.

But anyhow bounties are more fun


or another option: A side pot that collects small donations whenever, given out entirely to any new untied.
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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2009, 07:08:00 am »
Whoever puts the bounty sets the rules for obtaining the cash. Also, the whole point of putting $ on "impossible" times is actually part of the point for the reasons lark and wouter said.

It's a great idea because it encourages activity. If someone we know or don't know and claims some time we don't believe it's pretty much going to be handled the same way as if there was no $ involved.

Yeah, it would encourage cheating but we had no $ on the line before and there were enough people that tried to cheat here so it seems hard to believe all of a sudden new people with this capability will show up and try this unless there was a serious amount of $ on the line and $10-$20 or so isn't quite enough imo.

The problem with goose's cheating policy is that anyone who cheats isn't going to give a refund on the $. Instead just have a "when we finish reviewing and proof is satisfied then the $ will be paid out" clause in there. Or just say paid at due date or x months after video is received due to this clause. Whatever; it's not hard to take solid precautions against getting cheated here.

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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2009, 01:31:00 pm »
Edited my Streets 1:12 offer to Paypal-only.

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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2009, 08:30:00 pm »
"Only problem with this whole set up is whoarding. example waiting for pot to reach 500 bucks to claim your wr."

YES this is huge.

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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2009, 10:12:00 am »
But then you also run the risk of someone else beating you to it.

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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2009, 02:59:00 pm »
yeah I thought about that too.. hmm but what if someone gets the record (which is worth like 100 bucks), and then that person starts to incentive people to pay more money for the record, arguing about how hard it is, and then when the record gets worth like 200 bucks he releases it. I don't know if that would ever happen, but you never know if money is on yes he would be taking a risk, but it's possible

I don't know, there are too many things to think off

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« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2009, 03:35:00 pm »
It would just be a mess. Bad idea imo. Just leave it the way it is now.
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« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2009, 03:53:00 pm »
yeah, i agree with Marc. too many problems will present themselves for this "money pot."


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« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2009, 03:04:00 am »
Let's wait and see what happens before denouncing this idea, please.
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« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2009, 05:35:00 am »
omg dam sa 1:16 really might be impossible, when I said it's possible I imagined like that I could achieve it within 1000h but now I'm not sure at all, marc and dave etc really knew what they were talking about, this would be like mega cucumber shit if 1:16 happened but it's like impossible really.

still though if people would be willing to pay like $500 each so the pot reaches like $10000 I might be able to keep playing, $10000 is like nothing for a pot for this time though, from what I've seen if this happens it's like a 1000000h time so the pot should be at least $1000000 haha but I'm such a great guy that I'm willing to try 1000000h to see if this is possible if the pot reaches only laughable low $10000 haha it will never happen but I would still play for it like haha it would be like haha like you know it's like so stupid to even consider going for 1:16 but I could try haha.. anyway if you have like rich friends try to contact them because we could get the pot up to $1000000 which would still be kinda laughable considering how nuts 1:16 would be and if 1:16 would happen it would be still worth that money like x1000000 it's possible that the paradise would rise on earth and whole humanity would selebrate and have great sex for like forever and ever!!!! so as you understand now it would be stupid not to offer like $10000 each when it comes down to it, start saving now

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« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2009, 05:55:00 am »
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it's possible that the paradise would rise on earth and whole humanity would selebrate and have great sex for like forever and ever!!!! so as you   understand now it would be stupid not to offer like $10000 each when it comes down to it, start saving now
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« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2009, 06:09:00 am »
Illu are you nutz?
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« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2009, 01:08:00 pm »
No, its just Illu

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« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2009, 02:17:00 pm »
Yeah typical Illu post.

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« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2009, 02:20:00 pm »
a nuts isn't that expensive
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« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2009, 06:17:00 pm »


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« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2009, 10:46:00 am »
I won't go as far to say this is a stupid idea but it lacks coal for the fire. There's already enough issues with proof/videos etc. Why doesn't this site pool together and invest money wisely rather than for a WR? That's going to intice cheating and whether or not "specific clauses" are handled you'd probably lose the bet somehow. My advise is to pool money together to invest into funds/stocks that actually can accrue money and pay dividends. If you guys want to play 100000H on whatever levels to get 50-500 be my guest and I hope it works out for you and whatever system is implemented. I'm not suggesting to be a funds manager but all I'm going to say is AAPL. Ya'll can do some research and as ya'll were dogging me it has since doubled in price. You can also view facebook to see some of my picks from back in FEB. Some over %600. Let's talk real money not some oh play a ridic amount on this level and beat it into your brain every possible move(s) and MAYBE get close to said IMPOSSIBLE time ensuing on a 10000h binge. INVEST my young padiwons. You'll all one day see the light. Until then just play the fucking game to the fullest. Try to have some fun too to some degree...
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« Reply #48 on: December 14, 2009, 06:06:00 pm »
I think everyone is playing to their fullest right now, this is just like "hey you got a WR on the list, here is 20 bucks." I think you just strayed off topic a bit Sterling. This doesn't have to do with stocks or anything. Just a more way to get competitive game play. I think investing is something you want or take interest in. Personally i'd rather do back flips off walls.

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« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2009, 08:58:00 am »
"Personally i'd rather do back flips off walls." - amesome!
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