Author Topic: Fifa World Cup 2010 - Discussion (Read 2032 times)

Fal2002 · « **on:** December 04, 2009, 02:39:00 pm »

Well the draw was made and it has a nice fixture for us and the americans (not that many may care). Anyway here are the groups for the World Cup in June 2010...

Group A: South Africa, Mexico, Uruguay, France
Group B: Argentina, Nigeria, South Korea, Greece
Group C: England, United States, Algeria, Slovenia
Group D: Germany, Australia, Serbia, Ghana
Group E: Netherlands, Denmark, Japan, Cameroon
Group F: Italy, Paraguay, New Zealand, Slovakia
Group G: Brazil, North Korea, Ivory Coast, Portugal

Group H: Spain, Switzerland, Honduras, Chile

England vs USA is the first match of the only group which is really important to most users of this site. I'll post my predictions in a moment.

Darth Vader · « **Reply #1 on:** December 04, 2009, 02:47:00 pm »

Yeah Fal i just saw the hole thing too! Holland and Cameroon is going to be tough for Denmark

I'm afraid England is going to crush U.S.A though

I dunno THAT much about some of the teams, but i'll post my predictions later anyway..

Thiradell · « **Reply #2 on:** December 04, 2009, 04:06:00 pm »

Are we supposed to pick the winners of each group? If so...

Group A: Mexico wins, France advances
Group B: Argentina wins, Nigeria advances
Group C: United States wins, England advances
Group D: Australia wins, Ghana advances
Group E: Netherlands wins, Cameroon advances
Group F: Italy wins, New Zealand advances
Group G: Brazil wins, Ivory Coast advances
Group H: Switzerland wins, Spain advances

Darth Vader · « **Reply #3 on:** December 04, 2009, 04:59:00 pm »

Meh France ain't so good as they used to be, but maybe they could suprise this next year.

A: Mexico and South Africa
B: Argentina and South Korea
C: England and Slovenia
D: Germany and Ghana
E: Denmark and Holland
F: Italy all the way and Slovakia
G: Brazil and Portugal
H: Spain and Switzerland

Those are some pretty easy ones this year, but group A and E are slightely harder. But anyway, i KNOW i'm going to be wrong by some or many of them because there's always underdogs each year that suprises. I hope at least 2 African Teams goes on though and i really really hope an African team can take the title home 2010 (If Denmark screws up) I love the Africans play. Very fast playing and they usually have a lot of good sprinters and a lot of them has probably played a lot on sand as children with is much harder haha

I'll try to predict who wins the semifinals and finals also, when that time comes...

RWG · « **Reply #4 on:** December 04, 2009, 05:29:00 pm »

Not sure exactly what you want us to predict but here goes;

Group A: France WIN, Mexico advance

Group B: Argentina WIN, Nigeria advance

Group C: England WIN, U.S.A. advance

Group D: Germany WIN, Serbia advance

Group E: Netherlands WIN, Cameroon advance

Group F: Italy WIN, Paraguay advance

Group G: Brazil WIN, Portugal advance

Group H: Spain WIN, Chile advance

Fal2002 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 04, 2009, 05:56:00 pm »

Yeah apologies, pick the two teams you think will advance from the group. There will be an actual results one closer to the time as with the last world cup.

AZ · « **Reply #6 on:** December 04, 2009, 06:54:00 pm »

A: Mexico, South Africa

B: Argentina, Nigeria

C: England, USA

D: Germany, Serbia

E: Holland, Cameroon

F: Italy, Paraguay

G: Brazil, Ivory Coast

H: Spain, Chile

PDplum · « **Reply #7 on:** December 04, 2009, 07:57:00 pm »

Group A: , Mexico, , France
Group B: Argentina, Nigeria,
Group C: England, , Slovenia
Group D: Germany, , Serbia,
Group E: Netherlands, Denmark
Group F: Italy, Slovakia
Group G: Brazil, Portugal

Group H: Spain, Switzerland,

Spain to win

england to lose in the semi final in penalties. lampard missing

Ngamer · « **Reply #8 on:** December 04, 2009, 08:30:00 pm »

Is it just me, or is there no "Group of Death" this season?

Group A: France WINS, South Africa advances
Group B: Argentina WINS, Greece advances
Group C: United States WINS, England advances
Group D: Germany WINS, Australia advances
Group E: Netherlands WINS, Japan advances
Group F: Italy WINS, Paraguay advances
Group G: Brazil WINS, Portugal advances
Group H: Spain WINS, Honduras advances

wheatrich · « **Reply #9 on:** December 05, 2009, 01:19:00 am »

a lot of people said the group of death is G, personally I think it's B. Those are all solid teams.

Pure bullshit that France gets the South Africa Group. There was even a suggestion that FIFA would do that in advance because France was upset they weren't a seed (despite having to cheat to even get in the world cup). They basically predicted these groups before (england, USA same group and others before the draw even happened) I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was fixed.

but anyway
A) Uruguay wins France advances
Probably the most even group. France bitched about not getting seeded and really you can argue that they should be the seed here. I think they'll advance but I don't think they'll win. I think Uruguay's the favorite actually and nobody else even has them advancing lol.
B) Argentina wins, South Korea advances. This could be the group of death 2 with Argentina really being the struggling team right now out of this group imo but I can't figure out how they shouldn't advance despite really liking Nigeria (and Greece isn't a slouch) I think the Koreans are vastly underrated (FIFA's rankings have always been hilarious and I think they're a bit wrong here as well)
C) England wins, and Algeria advances. Not many groups I would've even taken the USA to advance and they got the best group possible really with Algeria/Slovenia being weak. That said the USA always finds a way to lose to someone they shouldn't so I'll take Algeria as a result. Either way the D) winner will be pretty stoked as long as England does what they're supposed to. I love how everyone was so happy being in this group despite that England really should clobber the crap out of us just because our advance odds are pretty good.
D) Germany wins, Austrailia advances. I really like Ghana just not in this group. At least half of the other groups I would've picked them to advance.
E) Netherlands wins, Cameroon advances. Seems easy.
F) Italy wins, and uh ok, I take this back I don't like any of these other teams at all. let's just go with Slovakia
G) supposed group of death. Brazil wins and Ivory Coast advances. Actually I take that back, that was an easy prediction.
H) Spain wins, the Swiss advance.

Uruguay beats South Korea
Argentina beats France
England beats England's convicts
Germany beats Algeria
Italy beats Cameroon
Netherlands beats Slovakia
Brazil beats Switzerland
Ivory Coast beats Spain

Uruguay beats Argentina
England beats Germany
Italy beats Netherlands
Brazil beats Ivory Coast

and
Italy repeats and defeats England in the final.

RWG · « **Reply #10 on:** December 05, 2009, 02:01:00 am »

Some analysis/not really analysis more like some dude who doesn't know what he's talking about/facts of the World Cup groups.

Group A

France is the clear cut favorite to win the group at +100 but the other four squads currently almost all have exact same lines in the +440 range. I find this weird because France had trouble merely qualifying for the World Cup, and South Africa got a bye. Uruguay is a soccer nation (well so is France, but again, they had trouble qualifying) so Uruguay not being a favorite over South Africa and Mexico to advance is interesting. Then again, in '02 France and Uruguay were in the same group and failed to advance due to soccer powerhouses Denmark and Senegal so who knows.

Group B

Argentina is the clear cut favorite at nearly -200 to win. Nigeria is a modest favorite over Greece to advance, but the Greeks still give lower paying odds than South Korea. This is bizarre to me because we all know Greece's Euro 2004 win was a complete fluke, and South Korea went all the way to the Bronze medal game in 2002. I don't know enough about Nigeria to say whether they should be ahead of South Korea here but I'll trust the bookies.

Group C

England are the favorite to win at -250 currently and U.S.A. are the clear favorite to place second and advance. Not much interesting here.

Group D

Germany are the favorite at +100 which is logical but Serbia and Ghana are both in a near deadlock to advance in the +360 range to win outright. Australia is much further behind at +650 to win. I guess Serbia and Ghana are unknown to non soccer people (read; everyone in Anglo-America) but this very well could be the group of death.

Meh, this is boring now. I'll post the other 4 later maybe.

If you can't tell already my preds are cookie cutters to what the bookmakers odds are.

octoinky · « **Reply #11 on:** December 05, 2009, 02:07:00 am »

Spain is the biggest group favorite at -284, England the second at -250, last I checked on pinnacle.

youseinthehouse · « **Reply #12 on:** December 06, 2009, 01:18:00 am »

Here's my prediction: Soccer is very dumb.

Wabs · « **Reply #13 on:** December 06, 2009, 10:00:00 am »

I hope I can succeed to that very cool guy who won the WC predictions contest in 2006!

I'll actually post my preds later, hard to decide now for something happening in 6 months.

NathanStinson · « **Reply #14 on:** December 06, 2009, 03:28:00 pm »

Group A: France wins, Mexico advances
Group B: Argentina wins, Greece advances
Group C: England wins, United States advances
Group D: Germany wins, Australia advances
Group E: Netherlands wins, Japan advances
Group F: Italy wins, Slovakia advances
Group G: Brazil wins, Portugal advances
Group H: Spain wins, Honduras advances

vitor · « **Reply #15 on:** December 07, 2009, 01:34:00 am »

Group A: Mexigo, Uruguay
Group B: Argentina, Nigeria
Group C: England, United States
Group D: Germany, Ghana
Group E: Netherlands, Japan
Group F: Italy, Paraguay
Group G: Brazil, Portugal
Group H: Spain, Switzerland

The hardest groups are Brazil's and France's, but you can't call those "groups of death". France just got fucking lucky (or it was manipulated) ending up on the only group with a weak group head (I don't know how you guys call that, the main team of the group). But I'm pissed at the way they classified so I'm really supporting for France not classifiying on the group stage (considering Brazil don't get in trouble, which is very likely to happen).

Some likely teams to advance that I didn't list are Cameroon and Australia. The first one has lost it's bright since 1994, and won't do shit, Japan gets their place. Australia just sucks so much that I think Ghana will do it tightly. Ivory Coast has a semi-decent team but that won't be enough to beat Portugal with Ronaldo, Deco. Basically Portugal has at least decent players on all positions, including awesome ones like Ronaldo, Deco, Maniche, while Ivory Coast has like 5 or 6 good players but the rest of the team is really bad. Drogba is a monster but won't be able to do a thing (just like the classic examples of that: Schevchenko, Ibrahimovic and others). The England team is awesome as always, but again, I can't imagine them going too far.

Brazil's team really worked well, and I think they will get far this time. It's not even close to the star team that was in 2006.. there are many younger players, and the ones that are there really deserved their place, so they won't be acomodated, etc. I can say that because we know really well all the players, and basically there's no big doubts of who should be on the team. They play simple, don't have big stars (apart from Kaka, Robinho, Julio Cesar), so I'm very confident

Darth Vader · « **Reply #16 on:** December 07, 2009, 08:26:00 am »

So Japan is going to win over Denmark?

Adam-Bozon · « **Reply #17 on:** December 07, 2009, 11:31:00 am »

Group A: South Africa, Mexico
Group B: Argentina, Nigeria
Group C: England, Algeria
Group D: Serbia, Ghana
Group E: Netherlands, Cameroon
Group F: Italy, Slovakia
Group G: Brazil, Portugal
Group H: Spain, Chile

Fal2002 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 07, 2009, 05:53:00 pm »

Group A: France, South Africa
Group B: Argentina, South Korea
Group C: England, United States
Group D: Germany, Australia
Group E: Netherlands, Denmark
Group F: Italy, New Zealand
Group G: Brazil, Portugal
Group H: Spain, Chile

RWG · « **Reply #19 on:** December 07, 2009, 06:39:00 pm »

As it currently stands;

Odds to Win World Cup 2010

3001 Spain +455
3002 Brazil +510
3003 England +600
3004 Argentina +1000
3005 Italy +1300
3006 Germany +1300
3007 Holland +1500
3008 France +1600
3009 Cote d' Ivoire +2800
3010 Portugal +2800
3011 Chile +4500
3012 Serbia +6500
3013 USA +6500
3014 Ghana +7000

3015 Paraguay +7500

Everything else is 100:1 or worse.

ToTh · « **Reply #20 on:** December 08, 2009, 05:49:00 pm »

jaja. there's only one champion : ITALY will win .!!!!! france is better than brazil. so go fuck brazil. so, just as the past world cup, france or italy. but c'mon !italy1 after of watch the amazing world cup 2006. trust me people.

RWG · « **Reply #21 on:** December 08, 2009, 05:53:00 pm »

What about the amazing Euro 2008?

ToTh · « **Reply #22 on:** December 08, 2009, 07:56:00 pm »

amazing?? bla.. spain vs germany?? you called this amazing??? the euro was perfect but that game no!! how the hell GERMANY could losed with spain?? HOW!!!!!!!!! plz, im a player soccer since i was 4 years old,, can you tell me how the hell spain won??? after of watch in 2006 how they losed with france 3-1. i dont know how spain won. and france is better than spain too.. with henry and rivery. its a shame that zidane is out). because would be amazing see another italy vs france as in 2006. uffff . but italy will win. YAY.

Lucky-P · « **Reply #23 on:** December 08, 2009, 08:30:00 pm »

Quote

If you can't tell already my preds are cookie cutters to what the bookmakers odds are.

That's the best way to play it when placing even money.ego bets like we are here.

An interesting thing to note I found is that the 3rd favourite outside the top 10 nations is "other".

ie. the other 22 nations combined are more likely to win than England, Argentina, Italy, Germany, Holland, France, Ivory Coast and Porugal are individually. (the best of them being Chile).

Just shows you can't get annoyed when your country dosen't win - no matter how good they are.

RWG · « **Reply #24 on:** December 09, 2009, 01:29:00 am »

lol ToTh. It was amazing because Greece didn't win. I don't think you can understand how annoying Toronto became (highest percentage of Greek population in North America) after they fluked that Euro Cup.

Darth Vader · « **Reply #25 on:** December 09, 2009, 01:34:00 am »

No comment for Toth.

ToTh · « **Reply #26 on:** December 09, 2009, 11:51:00 am »

hey inkosy , go to play dam 116. plz. goose, for god sake, nobody is talking about fans. im talking about these country as (france or argentina) that can win the world cup,, i hate spain, but i gotta confess, that they can win also brazil.. ok?..

ps: sorry jose for the past comment about brazil, jaja ." agora feriasss"

vitor · « **Reply #27 on:** December 10, 2009, 10:25:00 am »

Spain won't win

ToTh · « **Reply #28 on:** December 10, 2009, 11:14:00 am »

who knows?

Fal2002 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 01, 2010, 06:11:00 am »

10 days to go so lets start getting those preds in, i'll try to keep an up to date report on every days matches etc like i did 2006. Can do preds too like we did last time so get them in!

Darth Vader · « **Reply #30 on:** June 01, 2010, 07:36:00 am »

I'll change my preds later.

vitor · « **Reply #31 on:** June 01, 2010, 12:35:00 pm »

Brazil's lineup is actually preety good, even though some good players were left out (Adriano is out, Ronaldinho is on that other list of players that might be called if someone gets injuried). I'm really confident this time, it's the opposite from 2006. We have the best defense + the best goalkeeper imo, a solid midfield and an efficient offense. Let's see! Argentina has a preety good team, the best on the world in terms of skill imo, even though it's not very well organized. Germany and Italy are very solid teams, England always fails for some reason and I put Spain and France at the same level, they might be a good surprise. Yeah Spain won the Euro playing a beautiful soccer, but it's been like that for years... everybody takes an eye on them but in the end Spain ends up being just a regular team on the WC.

Making preds on this WC is going to be quite hard

I'll write one later

RWG · « **Reply #32 on:** June 01, 2010, 02:28:00 pm »

We need a better preds contest Fal. Come up with something better and more elaborate.

Fal2002 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 01, 2010, 06:46:00 pm »

Its going to be exactly like the 2006 one, its 10 days before the matches start so there is plenty of time. I don't plan on doing anything in particular until the weekend.

RWG · « **Reply #34 on:** June 02, 2010, 05:24:00 am »

Can you please post the details of that 2006 one? Either make a new thread or edit the OP and also post the rules in your next post so we can actually make preds.

This is for my personal reference;

08E Spain - Germany - Russia Turkey
06W Italy - France - Germany - Portugal
04E Greece - Portugal - Netherlands CzechRep
02W Brazil - Germany - Turkey - South Korea
00E France - Italy - Portugal Netherlands
98W France - Brazil - Croatia - Netherlands
96E Germany - CzechRep - France England
94W Brazil - Italy - Sweden Bulgaria

matt8k · « **Reply #35 on:** June 02, 2010, 06:22:00 am »

Group A: France, South Africa
Group B: Argentina, Greece
Group C: England, United States
Group D: Germany, Australia
Group E: Netherlands, Japan
Group F: Italy, Paraguay
Group G: Brazil, Portugal
Group H: Spain, Chile

Wyst3r · « **Reply #36 on:** June 02, 2010, 10:03:00 am »

Group A:[/b] France, South Africa(i guess mexico would be a good choice here too, but upsets are common for host countries)
Group B:[/b] South Korea, Argentina
Group C: [/b]England,[/b] United States
Group D:[/b] Germany, Ghana
Group E:[/b] Netherlands, Denmark
Group F:[/b] Italy, Paraguay
Group G:[/b] Brazil, Portugal
Group H:[/b] Spain, Chile

It's hard to predict this year(well as usual i guess), Usually at least 1 good team falls off early and i bet the africans will be taking their place.

If i were to pick a winner?...Brazil or Germany

Fal2002 · « **Reply #37 on:** June 02, 2010, 05:35:00 pm »

Quote from: RWhiteGoose

Can you please post the details of that 2006 one? Either make a new thread or edit the OP and also post the rules in your next post so we can actually make preds.

This is for my personal reference;

08E Spain - Germany - Russia Turkey
06W Italy - France - Germany - Portugal
04E Greece - Portugal - Netherlands CzechRep
02W Brazil - Germany - Turkey - South Korea
00E France - Italy - Portugal Netherlands
98W France - Brazil - Croatia - Netherlands
96E Germany - CzechRep - France England
94W Brazil - Italy - Sweden Bulgaria

Like i said Goose, this isn't going to properly start until Saturday. I will then have the rules etc as we will be making preds on each match every day, there will be plenty of time to make preds. In the meantime by all means post how you think the groups will go. I will find the 2006 one and post tonight before i go to bed!

Fal2002 · « **Reply #38 on:** June 05, 2010, 04:29:00 am »

Please close this thread.

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