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Infil

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2010 Teams:
London Underground - Poker Mark & Shep
Why I Am So Bald? - QB & Ngamer
Nude Chainsaw Flock - Wouter & Jack
Team Pineapple Apple - Thingy & Come
Team 1 - Third & Mgay
ChillarLiteSAHard - Bully & Patrik
Domination Station - Cyber & Disco
YE's One Man Team - YE
Shadowed Mystery - Howes aka Shadow
Aztec Agent SUB 1:30 - Sterling
Carathorn - Cara
The Wheatfield - wheat
Big Dogs Wild Hogs - Bobby Big Dog
Curiosity Killed the Cat - ShadowLacey the Karter

FINAL RESULTS
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    1. Domination Station - 55 points    
    2. Why I am so bald - 48 points    
    3. Team Pineapple Apple - 47 points    
    4. 1 - 38 points    
    5. Shadowed Mystery - 25 points    
    6. Nude Chainsaw Flock - 7 points    
    7. Curiosity killed the cat - 4 points    
    8. YE's one man team - 2 points    
    9. (everyone else) - 0 points    
 

Per-Puzzle Results
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     Overheard at Grauman's    
    Team Pineapple Apple    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 3 minutes, 16 seconds. - 8 points    
    Domination Station    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 4 minutes, 35 seconds. - 6 points    
    Shadowed Mystery    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 4 minutes, 57 seconds. - 4 points    
    Why I am so bald    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 5 minutes, 11 seconds. - 2 points    
    YE's one man team    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 5 minutes, 16 seconds. - 1 point    
    1            0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 6 minutes, 24 seconds.    
    ChillarLiteSÃ¥HÃ¥rd    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 8 minutes, 13 seconds.    
    Curiosity killed the cat     0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 11 minutes, 41 seconds.    
    Nude Chainsaw Flock    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 16 minutes, 58 seconds.    
   
   
     Man of the World    
    Why I am so bald    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 9 minutes, 45 seconds. - 8 points    
    Nude Chainsaw Flock    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 43 minutes, 6 seconds. - 6 points    
    1            0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 52 minutes, 16 seconds. - 4 points    
    Curiosity killed the cat     0 day(s), 3 hour(s), 23 minutes, 8 seconds. - 2 point    
    Team Pineapple Apple    0 day(s), 18 hour(s), 4 minutes, 16 seconds. - 1 point    
    Shadowed Mystery    0 day(s), 22 hour(s), 5 minutes, 38 seconds.    
    Domination Station    Puzzle Creators - 4 points    
   
   
     Fannee Doolee    
    Domination Station    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 13 minutes, 40 seconds. - 8 points    
    Team Pineapple Apple    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 15 minutes, 41 seconds. - 6 points    
    Shadowed Mystery    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 49 minutes, 40 seconds. - 4 points    
    Curiosity killed the cat     0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 52 minutes, 28 seconds. - 2 points    
    YE's one man team    0 day(s), 1 hour(s), 5 minutes, 18 seconds. - 1 point    
    Why I am so bald    0 day(s), 1 hour(s), 33 minutes, 28 seconds.    
    Nude Chainsaw Flock    0 day(s), 7 hour(s), 45 minutes, 42 seconds.    
    1            Puzzle Creators - 4 points    
   
    Gotta Solve 'Em All    
    Team Pineapple Apple    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 5 minutes, 6 seconds. - 8 points    
    Domination Station    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 9 minutes, 13 seconds. - 6 points    
    Shadowed Mystery    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 13 minutes, 0 seconds. - 4 points    
    1            0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 22 minutes, 11 seconds. - 2 points    
    Nude Chainsaw Flock    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 27 minutes, 53 seconds. - 1 point    
    Curiosity killed the cat     0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 30 minutes, 1 seconds.    
    Why I am so bald    Puzzle Creators - 4 points    
   
   
    Xbox Controller vs. Keyboard    
    Domination Station    0 day(s), 1 hour(s), 56 minutes, 54 seconds. - 8 points    
    Team Pineapple Apple    0 day(s), 2 hour(s), 20 minutes, 15 seconds. - 6 points    
    Why I am so bald    0 day(s), 2 hour(s), 41 minutes, 46 seconds. - 4 points    
    1            0 day(s), 6 hour(s), 5 minutes, 21 seconds. - 2 points    
   
   
    Bizarre Form of Poetry    
    Why I am so bald    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 54 minutes, 55 seconds. - 8 points    
    1            0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 59 minutes, 0 seconds. - 6 points    
    Domination Station    0 day(s), 4 hour(s), 54 minutes, 52 seconds. - 4 points    
    Team Pineapple Apple    1 day(s), 3 hour(s), 37 minutes, 49 seconds. - 2 points    
   
   
    Symbolic Cacophony    
    Team Pineapple Apple    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 38 minutes, 40 seconds. - 8 points    
    Why I am so bald    0 day(s), 1 hour(s), 28 minutes, 26 seconds. - 6 points    
    1            0 day(s), 6 hour(s), 38 minutes, 8 seconds. - 4 points    
    Shadowed Mystery    1 day(s), 1 hour(s), 52 minutes, 28 seconds. - 2 points    
    Domination Station    Puzzle Creators - 4 points    
   
   
    Une Façon de Cacher les Secrets Français    
    Shadowed Mystery    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 28 minutes, 4 seconds. - 8 points    
    Why I am so bald    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 39 minutes, 0 seconds. - 6 points    
    1            0 day(s), 6 hour(s), 23 minutes, 1 seconds. - 4 points    
    Team Pineapple Apple    0 day(s), 6 hour(s), 52 minutes, 47 seconds. - 2 points    
    Domination Station    0 day(s), 22 hour(s), 25 minutes, 2 seconds. - 1 point    
   
   
    Color by Numbers    
    1            0 day(s), 1 hour(s), 37 minutes, 32 seconds. - 8 points    
    Domination Station    0 day(s), 2 hour(s), 9 minutes, 16 seconds. - 6 points    
    Team Pineapple Apple    0 day(s), 3 hour(s), 2 minutes, 57 seconds. - 4 points    
    Shadowed Mystery    1 day(s), 0 hour(s), 21 minutes, 58 seconds. - 2 points    
    Why I am so bald    Puzzle Creators - 4 points    
   
   
    The Evolution of Puzzles    
    Domination Station    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 46 minutes, 14 seconds. - 8 points    
    Why I am so bald    0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 56 minutes, 39 seconds. - 6 points    
    1            0 day(s), 0 hour(s), 57 minutes, 53 seconds. - 4 points    
    Team Pineapple Apple    0 day(s), 1 hour(s), 26 minutes, 36 seconds. - 2 points    
    Shadowed Mystery    2 day(s), 2 hour(s), 43 minutes, 15 seconds. - 1 point    
 

Puzzle solutions and full hints are now available at these (temporary) pages (they're good reads even if you solved the puzzles in question, you may learn something new!):
Overheard at Grauman's
Man of the World
Fannee Doolee
Gotta Solve 'Em All
Xbox Controller vs. Keyboard
Bizarre Form of Poetry (solution page contains submitted poems!)
Symbolic Cacophony
Une Facon de Cacher les Secrets Francais
Color By Numbers
The Evolution of Puzzles

The first ever Elite Puzzle Hunt has come to a close! This topic will be to discuss the hunt and its puzzles. I'm open to hearing constructive criticism about how to improve the hunt, but please recognize that designing a hunt and running it was incredibly time consuming and difficult, and since this is our first time doing it, there are bound to be some hiccups. Overall, though, I think the hunt went very well. If possible, I'd like to hear your opinions on each individual puzzle, so we know what the best and worst parts of the hunt were.

My first big thanks go to Neo. Without his help, this hunt would never have gotten off the ground. He invested a ton of personal time into making and testing the website we used, and was around at all stages of the hunt to help me test-solve puzzles, do various administrative work, and listen to me vent when I needed to. He's as big a part of this hunt as anyone, so hats off to him!

My second big thanks go to the various other puzzle creators, namely QB, Cyber, Shep, and Third. I didn't have the time (or the creative genius) to develop enough puzzles to fill a hunt on my own, and these guys were there to fill the gap with good puzzles of varying difficulties. Again, without these guys, we wouldn't have a hunt this year.

My last big thanks go out to all the people who participated. We put the effort forth for you, so I hope you enjoyed yourselves!

I'm now going to discuss the puzzles a bit, including my motivation behind them (where applicable). If other puzzle creators want to follow suit and post their motivations/inspirations for the puzzles they made, that would be excellent. I'm putting them in spoiler tags.

Overheard at Grauman's
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    A fairly straightforward movie quote puzzle designed by Shep. I think it's important in a hunt like this to have equal parts hard puzzles and easy     puzzles, and Shep wanted to make an easy puzzle when he talked to me. Originally, we wanted to throw in a hitch that all quotes had the vowels removed     (including the "you can't handle the truth" answer), but decided against it. This puzzle's goal was to get your solving juices flowing.  

Man of the World
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    Designed by Cyber, a self-proclaimed geography guru. We originally debated not having the "try capping it off" message at the top, but decided     that there wouldn't be any real indication to search for capitals without it. Thoughts on this? Additionally, it turns out there was a bit of a hitch     with the capital of Palau, which was listed as Melekeok on most resources, except Wikipedia which had it listed as Ngerulmud (though, strangely, it's     now changed back to Melekeok). This caused at least one team to stall on the puzzle, so we apologize for this, but we're not exactly sure if it's     our fault or not. Many other teams solved the puzzle fairly quickly, so maybe they'd like to chime in on this?  

Fannee Doolee
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    Probably the first puzzle that was not more or less a gimme was designed by Third. The puzzle's twist was fairly easy to see, but not necessarily     obvious from first glance, so I think it was a good escalation from the easier ones before it. I don't have too much more to say about this puzzle,     though I'm sure Third will chime in.  

Gotta Solve 'Em All
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    QB actually submitted two "easy" puzzles to me, though his other one was a story-based puzzle like Fannee Doolee, so we went with this one     instead. This puzzle falls pretty quickly when you realize the catch, and the catch is decently easy to see from particular pokemon like the see/seel and     ekans/sake combinations. QB had a pretty large database of possible letter combinations, so the message could have been made even longer. Was the length of     message good?  

Xbox Controller vs. Keyboard
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    What's a puzzle in the Elite without one based on videogames? I drew inspiration for this puzzle from various sources, and had a few neat ideas (the     qwerty rearrangement) while I was drifting off in bed one night. I wanted to use a lot of the Elite gamertags in the puzzle, but QB and Snap had too many     achievements, which made searching their gamertags too painful, and my secret message only used one "I", so I couldn't use my own gamertag,     since I didn't earn the achievement assigned to the I and didn't want to change it to a different game. You'd actually be surprised how many     games I couldn't include (but wanted to) in this puzzle because of the achievements not having the right letters, or me not knowing enough about the     game to ask an interesting trivia question. I tried to keep the gaming questions intentionally ambiguous in most cases, but not in all cases. My goal was     to make sure that no one could solve it without the dvorak connection, but I'm not too sure I succeeded! At first, I had the punctuation keys on the     keyboard and the left sides indented like a real keyboard, but I thought that made it too obvious. Even without it, I think the difficulty rating was about     right. It's really just a research puzzle, but a cool one!  

Bizarre Form of Poetry
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    Ahh, a controverisal puzzle. I really wanted to design some unique puzzles for this hunt, and many different hunts require something creative out of the     solvers (after you see what ridiculous tasks the MIT hunters have to do, just be glad that all I made you do was write a simple 8-line poem...). I     thought the hard part would be the McWhirtle part, actually... I thought as soon as everyone saw the "write elite mcwhirtle 2 infil" phrase that     everyone would immediately know what to do. Imagine my surprise when virtually every team struggled at this phrase, many simply not doing anything when I     wasn't online (you guys are supposed to email me!), or writing the literal phrase "elite mcwhirtle" to me, or a number of other things. I     eventually nudged these teams in the right direction, because perhaps doing something creative instead of just solving the puzzle and getting a word was a     big foreign to them.    
   
    The other thing was the McWhirtles that I received from the teams. The wiki page is pretty clear on what the structure of the poem needs to be, so I was     surprised when people weren't following it at all. The meter needs to be da-DA-da-da-DA-da-da..., the 2nd line needs to contain a name of a person or     group of people, and so on. People weren't too keen on hearing that the structure of the poem was wrong after stalling on the earlier step, though, so     I eventually accepted poems that were only slightly off on the meter or structure.    
   
    I think this puzzle might be one of the more poorly received ones in this hunt, but I personally liked getting you guys to do something creative for me. I     think the instruction might have been a bit clearer if the message was "compose elite mcwhirtle email 2 infil" or something, but was the message     I used really THAT confusing? I don't regret the idea behind this puzzle at all, but constructive thoughts on how I could improve the execution are     welcomed.    
   
    Check out the McWhirtles submitted to me on the puzzle's solution page!  

Symbolic Cacophony
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    Brad's other puzzle was rated hard. Initially I thought this would be a lot harder than it actually turned out to be. Brad came to me with the idea,     and I helped him tidy up the execution a bit, but in the end I think his puzzle was pretty well executed. I'm glad we ended up finding a way to use     "crwth" in the puzzle!  

Une Facon de Cacher les Secrets Francais
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    I wavered on the difficulty of this puzzle. At first, it was going to be just a Caesar shift puzzle starting with a rot-13 shift (hence the "middle of     the road" message). Then I thought that would be too easy, so I swung the difficulty way to the other extreme, involving multiple non-trivial     cryptography methods, where each line was a different method. This proved to be too hard for this hunt, I think, even though I had a lot of fun thinking of     how to make it work (I took some advanced cryptography classes during my masters program, so I have a good understanding of all modern crypto methods). I     eventually settled on the current method, using a fairly famous cipher that has easily searchable web encryption/decryption tools.    
   
    I also debated putting those answer blocks (with the highlighted first letter) after each clue. At first I wasn't going to have them, but then I     thought it wasn't really a fair step to figure out to use the first letter of each answer as a new message without them. Thoughts on this? I was also     going to put all the hints in French as well (thanks to Shade for all the translation help!), but decided against it.  

Color By Numbers
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    QB's ingenious puzzle, and my personal favorite of the hunt. Not really being a movie buff, I really appreciate the construction of this puzzle and how     it all worked together, including the final answer and how it relates to the title. We had a "hard" version of this puzzle that didn't have     that box of numbers on the right side. I think even with it, it was a reasonably hard puzzle, about as hard as we could make for a hunt targeted at a     casual audience. Would the puzzle have been solvable without this box, do you think?  

The Evolution of Puzzles
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    This was THE puzzle I wanted to do from when I first started thinking about running a hunt, but I ended up making this puzzle literally the night before. I     originally was going to shoot two or three videos of me going around my house, driving in my car, walking around Calgary with various friends (including     SnapDragon when he came to visit me!), and reciting some script with the letters carefully hidden, but this proved to be so much work it was a bit     off-putting. Plus, my camera doesn't really capture sound very well, which would have made the task even harder. So I toyed around with how to fix the     idea, and I even thought about dropping it entirely. Neo convinced me to make something work, however, and after some brainstorming we came up with this     idea (props to Neo for not letting me drop the idea!).    
   
    The "hide the answer behind an annotation" idea also came to me while I was drifting off in bed. I didn't just want to have a video with me     saying "congrats, the answer is X", but I couldn't come up with a Youtube-specific way to creatively give the answer at first. I think this     particluar method worked really nicely. Since annotation boxes are actually a little transparent, I had to overlap about 5 annotation boxes with the same     text, size, and start/end display times in order to fully obstruct the background. Unfortunately, the Chocolate Rain Youtube video found its way into the     related videos section, which might have influenced some of you who were randomly guessing. There was no real way to influence this... Neo and I went from     the solution video to other random videos trying to drop it from the top of the list, but it didn't work (at least, on my computer). This was also why     there were a bunch of random keywords, trying to get Youtube to recognize other videos as "related". Interesting thought: when my video had only     15 views and the hunt hadn't even started yet, Chocolate Rain was the number one related video. How does Youtube know?? I wonder if it literally looked     at the frames and somehow parsed my handwriting on that cue card.    
   
    Lastly, I think this puzzle is slightly overrated in difficulty, and would probably rate it Medium if we did it again.  

I look forward to hearing your comments below! All feedback is greatly appreciated.



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Cyberwrath87

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First of all, GREAT HUNT! Infil deserves so many thanks for putting this all together, and of course Neo for helping with the technical side of things. I think I'm just gonna post Disco and my's opinions and overall experience with each puzzle.

OVERHEARD AT GRAUMAN'S:
- Pretty fun little puzzle, although it only seemed to last about 4 minutes! Probably the most straight-forward of the hunt, and I managed to catch the 'you can't' and 'truth' before Disco could even finish pasting the lines into our google docs

MAN OF THE WORLD:
- My puzzle, and Disco hasn't been around in the past several days to actually do it, oh well. I realize there was some confusion now on Palau's capital, but when I originally made the puzzle, every reliable source I looked at seemed to have Melekeok as the capital, so I didn't think it'd throw anyone for a loop. Sorry guys!

FANNEE DOOLEE:
- This puzzle reminded us of the "Greek Letter" puzzle from the SUMS hunt where you needed to find hidden things within a giant wall of text. For us, the "Oh Henry" and "O Olivia" pushed us in the right direction, and we were able to figure out the pattern pretty quickly. The title almost seemed misleading for what we had to do, but I guess the whole double letter thing makes sense now. Cool puzzle, Third!

GOTTA SOLVE 'EM ALL:
- I thought this puzzle was pretty clever, and before we even clicked the puzzle link, we already knew to have a Wiki page up of all the Pokemon based on the title. Didn't take long to figure anything out, but I thought it was still a fun and easy idea. Very enjoyable overall!

XBOX CONTROLLER VS KEYBOARD:
- Okay, Disco and I probably didn't do this puzzle the intended way. After a good amount of thinking, we started to realize that each avatar corresponds to an achievement, and much to our relief, each started with a different letter of the alphabet. After taking the time to search various Xbox achievement and Gamertag sites (was there an easier way!???) we finally found them all. Now the keyboard thing is where our route seems to differ from Infil's intended route. We did NOT use the clues on the "keyboard" at all. The whole "first enemy to your left" or "white-robed poster boy". We just didn't see how they fit in. We assumed the keyboard was a normal QWERTY keyboard, but saw that the rows were in a different order. After taking the first letter of each name and synching up with the avatar, we got [top] SANDWHO [middle] FALCONJIGG [bottom] LYPUFFNES.  Either way, we solved it, but I'm gonna have to read the solution in-depth to determine what we SHOULD have done.

This puzzle, while interesting and fresh, seemed to give us a bit of a headache with the amount of research we did to find each achievement and what game it corresponded to.

BIZARRE FORM OF POETRY:
- Well it didn't take long at all to find the message "write elite mcwhirtle 2 infil" but yeah, the whole idea of not putting something in the answer box was extremely foreign to me and disco. We tried all sorts of stupid stuff until about 3 hours later we got the memo, then it only took a couple minutes to figure out what to write. Luckily got it first try!

SYMBOLIC CACOPHONY:
My puzzle, I'd like to hear any input on it. I thought it was a cool idea, but was a bit worried that teams just wouldn't catch the whole 'breakthrough' until a very long time. Hopefully nobody bashed their heads against the wall trying to figure out the underlying theme. And yes, I too am glad the word 'crwth' fit in, Infil!

UNE FACON DE CACHER LES SECRETS FRANCAIS:
- This was the puzzle we strugged with most. Started it at like 8 pm one night, then just gave up and moved onto something else. It wasn't until I came home from work the next day that all 3 hints were available. Disco was gone, but I managed to pump out the answer in a pretty short time. Took a bit of research to find out WHO the french cipher was, but everything made perfect sense after that.

COLOR BY NUMBERS:
- This was tough! We generally really enjoyed this one; I mean who doesn't like movies AND colors?!? Took about 10 minutes to realize, "hmm... whoopi goldberg is in purple... I know she was in the movie 'the color purple'" and "yeah, Tommy Lee Jones was in 'Men in Black'"! After getting all this figured out, it definitely took us awhile to figure out what to do next. Finally Disco mentioned the movie 2012, which was a number in the right hand side. It then became clear what we needed to do, although it definitely took some Trial and Error for actors with multiple numerical movies, and who was supposed to correlate with which number. Eventually, we still couldn't figure out one tiny part at the end, but managed to get 'RAINBOWS-X". After I stupidly said "rainbow sex?", Randy chimed in with the answer.

And what's this talk with NOT having the box of numbers on the right? I guess it would be possible, albeit extremely difficult. Actors seemed to be in a bunch of movies that had numbers in the title, so I think we might have failed without the box. Took awhile just to simply figure out to LOOK for movies with numbers. We were still trying to match colored movies to the actors on the right or see if they appeared in movies with the actors on the left!

THE EVOLUTION OF PUZZLES:
- Pretty cool idea overall. There were a few hiccups though, like when multiple numbers seemed to be spoken within the same second posted on the puzzle sheet. I remember from the music-game video it was something like 'step 1 step 2' and both were technically said in the same youtube second. There was another that was a bit confusing, but after enough guess-and-checks the link worked. We were really stumped after that, and I guess we were one of the teams that was too dumb to remove annotations. Randy randomly guessed 'chocolate rain', among probably 20 other things, so sue us


Overall, we had a lot of fun with this hunt! I wish there was some other way to fix the hint system, but I guess with everyone starting at random times, there's not much you can do to be fair. Luckily only one puzzle stumped us long enough that we needed hints, but like I said, by the time I looked at the puzzle again after coming home from work, 20 hours had passed and all 3 hints were there. It also would be nice for the hints to appear after you solved the puzzle (just to casually browse through what they were), but I think Infil mentioned he was curious as to learning how people solved them without relying on the hints to explain how (or something!).

The structure and webpage seemed really clean and professional, and luckily we didn't run into any weird glitches or roadblocks. Perhaps I'll edit this post later if I remember to add something, but this is it for now! Thanks again Infil for organizing everything and contributing 4 really cool puzzles!



newershadow

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I'm hoping I didn't do too badly, considering I worked alone. The suggestion to use a googledoc is good for a pair, but on your own, it's probably better to use pencil and paper, otherwise it slows you down. Good hunt overall, considering it was one of the first I've worked on, and I'm looking forward to working on some more with you guys later on this year.

Thoughts:
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    #1- standard puzzle. not too difficult. Google was my friend for this one. It was fairly easy to pick out what the last quote would be before finishing the     list.    
    #2- I kept thinking the second flag was for Bahrain, which luckily gave the same letter as Qatar. Ended up solving this one by going down the wiki list of     capitals, and inputting all the ones for 5 letter countries.    
    #3- Good puzzle, I figured out what to do, but I went through a lot of different ways to pick out the right letters before I got it.    
    #4- Solid puzzle, figured out what to do pretty quickly.    
    #5- I don't own an Xbox, so I think that hurt me a lot on this one. I never solved this, but I think it might have been better as a "hard"     puzzle.    
    #6- Got all of the answers to the McWhirtles except for elite, but even if I had, I would have never thought to email Infil... It was fun trying to figure     out the poems though.    
    #7- Needed the hints to solve this one, but got it in the end. Good concept and puzzle here.    
    #8- I got a lucky hit on google on this one, after translating the title and thinking "French cipher." The wiki page for Vignere cipher was the     second hit, and it had the encode/decode tool that Infil posted on it. After that it was just googling.    
    #9- I needed all three hints to solve this one, and then still needed some time. Ended up using http://oracleofbacon.org/ to connect the actors after a while, but it was a great research based puzzle. The answer was     perfect for this puzzle.    
    #10- I should have figured out it was a youtube puzzle sooner, based on the title. I ended up opening all the puzzles on one night (thinking I had no     chance of getting a lot of them), but had classes and had to wait to work on it. Even after that, I couldn't wrap my head around the fact that I had to     use "dash" as one of the characters. I thought it was a problem with one of the other characters in the url.    
 

Thanks for the puzzles!

Thiradell

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Well, first off I greatly enjoyed this hunt. Mgay was just a pro in getting breakthroughs and figuring out the critical parts of puzzles; by the end of things we were a great team, with me generally parsing information together and offering suggestions, until he said "wait OMG OMG." There was some frustration in that we simply didn't know what to do with a few of the puzzles, but that was taken care of by the hints. Individual thoughts:

Overheard at Grauman's:
Didn't take much time at all; a great first puzzle, where you take quotes, find those movies, see the quote they spell, and then "reverse-trace" to the movie of the quote. A solid example of how to go about solving most puzzles.

Man of the World:
Ugh. The "capitals" thing never occurred to me until Mgay announced he had solved the puzzle (I needed to refresh GoogleDocs). A bit frustrated that I couldn't help besides finding the five countries, but oh well. A great puzzle.

Fannee Doolee:
I had ideas for a couple other puzzles before this (my first idea was REALLY COOL, and I haven't given up on it), but they didn't pan out (yet). The SUMS Greek letter puzzle that Cyber mentioned was my inspiration for this; I got the idea for the puzzle structure, the solution, and the phrase for the solution all at once. From there it was just making sure I didn't have any double letter words within the actual puzzle, and finding ways to have back-to-back words ending and starting in v, u and y. I very much like the way this puzzle turned out, where there was actually a coherent story present. The hints weren't too hard to think of, and overall I very much enjoyed the whole process, and hope to be able to contribute to future hunts.

Gotta Solve 'Em All:
Pretty straightforward, though we got stuck when "hyenas" was incorrect. Finally I said "is there a Pokemon whose name is hyenas minus a letter?" and Mgay said "OR PLUS A LETTER. CHANSEY." Professionally done work by QB here.

Xbox Controller vs. Keyboard:
Sheesh! Rate this one "Hard" just for the amount of labor involved! Mgay and I spent an active six hours figuring this one out. The first thing we did was find which game went with the achievement pictures, and then tried to match those games up with the written descriptions on the bottom (Nipper being the first match). After trying this for awhile, we made things fit to get ARRANGE and GAMERTAGS, but were stumped for quite awhile on the last word. The main issue came from me having mislabeled "Quarian" as "Tali," not quite understanding the phrasing of the clue. I went to absurd measures trying to figure out the middle word, actually looking up and writing down every 10-letter word that ended in w after getting "Wired," which I was 99% sure was correct. Eventually I was going "what does twertyview, or twertdview, or twertlview mean?" Finally Mgay just said "qwertyview?" and it hit me. QUARIAN. So we knew what it said, but wait; there are multiple gamertags starting with the same letter. And arranging them qwertyview doesn't seem to spell out anything meaningful. Then Mgay said "Maybe it's the achievements." We realized, looking at the achievements, that each one started with a different letter...YES! (at least five hours in at this point) But wait, we have to arrange them Qwertyview and put down the gamertags in the corresponding order. GOOD GRAVY! OK, it says Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff and who? "Ness and who, Third." "Right, right, I can barely think." What do they have in common?!?! Obviously they're all Smash characters. I'll just guess all the Smash characters. "LUIGI! The four you unlock in the original." "Awesome, time for bed." So, yeah. I briefly considered the layout of the clues, but never made the Dvorak connection. I think we also misplaced a few games with clues in the ARRANGE QWERTYVIEW GAMERTAGS part, but ended up getting the same result. Still, a well-designed, and for me the most memorable puzzle of the hunt!

Bizarre Form of Poetry:
Wasn't too difficult to figure out what to do, or to put the McWhirtles together; the befuddling part was the final phrase. "It says Write alias McWhirtle 2 Infil, bro. I think we should." Half joking, I sent an incorrectly structured one to Infil through AIM, and he promptly responded with "email please." I was like "lol so that is the solution." He then mercifully said "by the way, you know, make it right. Syllables, etc." Not too adept at composing poetry, I delegated the task to Mgay, who came through in stunning fashion to give us the answer! I appreciated the creative way to solve this puzzle, but it was a bit confusing. I don't have any suggestions as to how to make it clear that an e-mail should be sent (other than Infil's idea to make it a very clear phrase), and perhaps standard solutions should be stuck to in the future. I still applaud Infil for thinking outside the box.

Symbolic Cacaphony:
You spelled cacophony wrong! We both got royally STUCK on this one, and couldn't make anything of it until the first hint. Mgay then came up with instruments, and we figured them all out except one (take a guess). I then suggested that we sort the instruments by their type; hurrah! See, I can contribute! After realizing we needed one more of a certain type to finish, I searched through a list of those until I came upon crwth. Mmmkay. From there it wasn't long till we had the final answer (Mgay knew to index again). A great puzzle, Cyber! I appreciated the clear and direct first hint.

Une Francais Secrets Fa La La La La:
Uuuuuuuugh. That was my first reaction. I have no experience doing cryptograms, and while Mgay has some, we couldn't make anything of it. But the first hint instantly led Mgay to the Vigenere cipher, and from there I think it was about 10 minutes till we solved it. He would post the phrase, and I would frantically search for the answers to any we didn't readily know (Iginla, LaMarr, a few others). Putting the clues in French would make this one fit nicely in a hardcore puzzle hunt; I like it just the way it is for the-elite, and applaud Infil on designing another puzzle very well.

Color by Numbers:
Wooo. As Infil said, it was unbelievable how this puzzle came together. A color movie, denoted by this person, and a number movie, related to this person, have one person that was in both of them. Pair them with another one that was in a color and number movie, and you'll find ONE movie that they were both in. These 10 movies spell out the answer, which FITS BRILLIANTLY WITH THE TITLE THAT ALSO HELPS IN DECODING THE FIRST PART. The number box was essential here, as it was hard enough to find the right movie even with the list (Amanda Peet was in 1999 and 2012, among a few other confusions). I started looking for the 10 movies after we had a few pairs, assuming it was the next logical step. After I had about half of them, Mgay suggested Rainbow Six, and boom. QB better make puzzles for the next hunt...I don't necessarily expect them to be as fine-tuned as this one, though!

The Evolution of Puzzles:
Yeeaaah. Not only did I say "They're YouTube URLs," I was the one who finally put together all the things correctly to find the Success! video. Mgay had assumed that "between 5 and 7" meant 6, and after trying the possibilities resulting in uncertainty from some things (1 or 2 from the Frequency link, and a couple others), I realized that it wasn't what the person in the video was referring to, but what they were actually SAYING. I put 5 at the beginning of the URL and vwala. Like Cyber/Disco, we never removed the annotations, and solved it by Mgay randomly guessing Chocolate Rain because it was the first related video. :- This puzzle should've definitely been medium, because I led the solving (for once) and am incapable of doing so on a hard puzzle! However, I'm willing to forego that in favor of putting this puzzle at the end of the hunt, as the conclusion. It concludes a great hunt, one that I hope is the first of many!

Thanks to Mgay for being an awesome teammate!
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Third pretty much said most of what I wanted to say, but I do have a few comments of my own.

Overheard at Grauman's
This one was pretty straightforward as far as these types of puzzles go.  An excellent warm-up puzzle that prepared us for the rest.

Man of the World
It took me a while to realize that "try capping it off" referred to the capitals of the countries, but other than that, this one went pretty smoothly.  Also, the Ngerulmud/Melekeok thing didn't throw me off too much.

Fannee Doolee
I haven't seen this one, but I'm sure it was just as good as the rest of the puzzles.

Gotta Solve 'Em All
The moment I saw the title, I knew this had to have something to do with Pokemon.  I thought the length of the message was good, and we did hit a snag near the end (which Third explained), but overall I thought it was a fun puzzle.

Xbox Controller vs. Keyboard
Yes, we really did spend six straight hours putting this one together.  After reading the solution, it appears that we did not solve this the correct way, but, nonetheless, we solved it.  Our main problem was that we didn't think to identify the names of the achievements themselves until several hours in, and by that point, the Dvorak connection was irrelevant anyway.  Judging by the sheer amount of research we had to do (and a couple logical leaps which took us a LONG time to figure out), I think this one should have been a "Hard" puzzle.  It may have been somewhat tedious and frustrating, but I must say that this was brilliantly designed.

Bizarre Form of Poetry
Thiradell (21.45.48): maybe we should write a full McWhirtle to Infil in AIM
Thiradell (21.45.56): :-D
Regular Mg (21.45.57): haha
Thiradell (21.48.49): uh
Thiradell (21.48.51): I think it's the solution
Thiradell (21.48.57): I put one in AIM as a joke and Infil told me to e-mail it

I think this sums it up pretty well.  I don't know how Infil could have made the message less ambiguous without completely giving it away (substituting "email" for "write," maybe?), and we actually got "alias" for the "elite" McWhirtle (I see how you're supposed to get it now, but "replaces our names" led me to think that he was referring to the idea of aliases in the PD Elite).  The execution wasn't entirely perfect, but I think that this was a very creative and enjoyable puzzle nonetheless.

Symbolic Cacophony
Actually, the hint wasn't really the reason we solved the puzzle.  As I was looking at the pairs of words, trying to figure out what I was supposed to do with them, I noticed that you could spell "bagpipe" with the letters of "cribbage/pipeless."  It didn't occur to me that the puzzle was musically themed until I saw "bassoon" and "lyre."  I would also like to congratulate Brad for legitimately using the word "crwth" in the puzzle.

Une Facon de Cacher les Secrets Francais
Before we got the hint, I briefly thought that this might have something to do with the Vigenere cipher, but for some reason I didn't really follow up on that thought.  For the purposes of this puzzle hunt, I think the puzzle was fine the way it was; putting the clues in French would have been interesting, though.

Color By Numbers
This puzzle was challenging, but not terribly difficult once we figured out where to start.  I think it would have been brutal without the number box, though.  This was definitely one of the most (if not THE most) well-thought-out puzzles of the hunt, and I certainly enjoyed it!

The Evolution of Puzzles
First, I have no bloody idea how Third managed to figure out that those were YouTube URLs.  Second, I have no idea how Chocolate Rain became the top related video (but luckily for me, it did!).  Finally, I loved the concept of this puzzle.

Overall, I think that the hunt was very successful, and there were some pretty cool and creative ideas behind the puzzle.  Thanks to Third for being the other half of 1 (ohoho), the creators of the puzzles for... creating the puzzles, and Infil and Neo for making this thing happen.  I hope to see more of these in the future!
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Overheard at Grauman's - Pretty easy and straightforward.  Thingy and I went for speed and did pretty well I think, but we'll see from the final tally.

Man of the World - We were the team that got brutally screwed by the misinformation of the capital.  I STILL think it should be thrown out because the capital IS Ngerulmud, though I'm a little less bitter and angry about it now that the hunt is over.  We would've had this solved in <10 minutes if Palau wasn't so screwed up, instead it took us almost a day.  Maybe a few too many red herrings in here, as the "capping it off" could also be thought of as "you need to use the cap which strangely looks similar to the flag of Greenland" but then we thought "this is an easy puzzle, why is it taking so long?" before finally realizing the capital error in Palau.

Fannee Doolee - Nice puzzle.  I got the breakthrough very quickly and between the two of us we pumped out the answer quite fast too, so I like our chances here.  Probably the perfect example of an easy puzzle, not as simple as Shep's, but not overly difficult and easily solved either through researching Fannee or by recognizing the pattern yourself.

Gotta Solve 'Em All - Solid.  Went pretty fast here too.  Thingy was a little confused at the end what to do with "hyenas" but I solved it before I had a chance to explain it to him.  We used really good teamwork on a lot of these to get fast solves by splitting up the work and I think we have a great shot at 1st on this one.

Xbox Controller vs. Keyboard - Well I know very little about Xbox achievements/games, so Thingy took the lead here.  We also skipped the Dvorak step, ended up with "ARRANGE QWERTY____ GAMERTAGS" and thought it would just be "QWERTYUIOP" so didn't bother solving more, then eventually found a couple of letters and saw it was VIEW.  We never really hit a huge snag here, just a lot of research and very slow research at that since some of those Xbox sites are badly designed and take a long time to load.  Another one where I came across the answer before Thingy knew what was going on, since he never played? the original Smash.  Good puzzle, maybe a little too much research though.

Bizarre Form of Poetry - Ugh.  Two changes and this puzzle would've been FINE.  Make it a Hard and change "Write" to "Email" "Send" "Compose" or something of that ilk.  We got the 5 clues very quickly, and I even jokingly said "maybe we should email Infil an elite mcwhirtle" but we both thought that idea was far too ridic to be true and went on trying to write "elite" somewhere in McWhirtle 2, along with doing 42343242 other stupid things before finally breaking down and sending Infil a McWhirtle (which turned out to be "improper", putting me on tilt and almost making me quit the hunt)  Thingy sent a proper one while I steamed and we solved it shortly thereafter, but this was really not a fun puzzle exactly as it was.

Symbolic Cacophony - Think we have a great shot at 1st here.  I got the breakthrough within the first few minutes and between the two of us we got through it very quickly.  Very well thought out puzzle, though I think it should've been a Medium because once you get the breakthrough there's not much else.  I liked this one a lot!

Une Facon de Cacher les Secrets Francais - Well I'm not good at ciphers or cryptos, and after the previous night of anger at McWhirtle's I don't think either of us gave our full effort here.  We didn't research very much at all, which was a huge mistake because I'm sure we would've come across the correct cipher quickly if we had.  Instead we started a different puzzle while waiting for the hint and once we got the hint and found the proper cipher, this was smooth going.  I think we actually solved it very fast after that, since Thingy would paste the clue in the IM box and I'd answer it.  He was faster at doing the decoding on the site, I knew most of the clue answers off the top of my head, so we really put a lot of teamwork into this one.  Hopefully a lot of other teams hit the same snag as us and we're able to score well here, but I'm not holding out hope.

Color By Numbers - The gem of the hunt.  This might be one of the coolest puzzles I ever worked on and would fit right in with any of the other hunts we've done.  We stumbled around for the first 20 minutes or so, thought the 2 columns would be connected by one of the numbers or something, and looked for actors that matched each movie (Harrelson and Peet both being in 2012 didn't help!), and Thingy actually made a spreadsheet with all the actors and their movies so we could compare them (this turned out to be very helpful later on!).  After a little while I realized the color matching to a movie (Michael Clarke Duncan and The Green Mile was my breakthrough) and we surprisingly didn't hit any snags after that.  We actually didn't figure out ALL of the middle actors (and thus, not all of the final movies) however we were only missing a couple and "rainbowsix" was easily seen.  I think we could score well here since we really pumped out the research fast thanks to Thingy's spreadsheet and our overall teamwork.

The Evolution of Puzzles - Good puzzle.  Thingy got the breakthrough quickly and we noted all the possible words/letters/numbers it could be, narrowed it down a little and got the proper link to the video fairly fast.  We were stuck on that video for awhile, figured it was something ridic like the McWhirtle puzzle and started emailing Infil, posting comments on the video, posting video responses, etc. but Thingy soon turned off the annotations and got the answer properly.  I didn't even know you could turn off annotations so he was a good partner!  Again we had great teamwork in the busy work section of this one, so I think we could score well.

Here's my overall rankings of the Puzzles...
1. Color By Numbers
2. Symbolic Cacaphony
3. The Evolution of Puzzles
4. Fannee Doolee
5. Une Facon de Cacher les Secrets Francais
6. Gotta Solve 'Em All
7. Xbox Controller vs. Keyboard
8. Man of the World (without error)
9. Overheard at Grauman's
10. Man of the World (with error)
11. Bizarre Form of Poetry

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Heh:
Thiradell (21.45.48): maybe we should write a full McWhirtle to Infil in AIM
Thiradell (21.45.56): :-D
Regular Mg (21.45.57): haha
Thiradell (21.48.49): uh
Thiradell (21.48.51): I think it's the solution
Thiradell (21.48.57): I put one in AIM as a joke and Infil told me to e-mail it

:'(

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IsThatAGodThing (20:37:27): want to do #6 now
COME as u r337 (20:37:53): ok
IsThatAGodThing (20:37:57): 3
IsThatAGodThing (20:37:58): 2
IsThatAGodThing (20:37:58): 1
IsThatAGodThing (20:38:00): GO

COME as u r337 (21:19:53): maybe we're supposed to "Write an Elite themed McWhirtle to Infil"!
COME as u r337 (21:19:55): lol
IsThatAGodThing (21:19:58): hahah

Seriously still pissed about this.

oh and then the next day a few hours before we solved it...

COME as u r337 (15:04:45) like i seriously think we need to write an elite mcwhirtle to infil at this point

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Well what I was saying is *IF* Infil had been on AIM when we were solving that one, we'd have done the exact same thing as Third/Mg did. But since he wasn't, we didn't....and it cost us like 20 hours.

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I only knew you could turn off annotations because someone in chat ridiculed me for complaining about them once. No idea who it was. In reference to your comments on the Palau one:

7:22:20 PM Scott Abbey: then want to go for #2?
7:22:23 PM COME as u r337: sure do
7:23:57 PM Scott Abbey: okay
7:24:04 PM COME as u r337: lets do it
7:24:07 PM Scott Abbey: 3
7:24:07 PM Scott Abbey: 2
7:24:08 PM Scott Abbey: 1
7:24:09 PM Scott Abbey: GO

7:29:49 PM Scott Abbey: wondering what the indexing is for
7:30:09 PM Scott Abbey: oh
7:30:11 PM Scott Abbey: go with capitals
7:30:17 PM COME as u r337: ahhhhh
7:30:30 PM Scott Abbey: cap it off etc
7:31:22 PM Scott Abbey: just Natal?
7:31:34 PM Scott Abbey: nope
7:31:44 PM Scott Abbey: latan?
7:31:49 PM COME as u r337: Natal is the portuguese word for christmas!
7:31:50 PM Scott Abbey: taaln
7:31:54 PM COME as u r337: christmas island
7:31:56 PM COME as u r337: whats the capitla
7:31:57 PM Scott Abbey: heh
7:32:12 PM Scott Abbey: flying fish cove
7:32:12 PM COME as u r337: Flying Fish Cove
7:32:13 PM Scott Abbey: lol
7:32:19 PM Scott Abbey: could also go with Portugal
7:32:20 PM Scott Abbey: which is?
7:32:26 PM COME as u r337: lisbon
7:32:34 PM COME as u r337: but i'd lean more towards flyingfishcove!
7:32:39 PM Scott Abbey: both wrong

So we had the right process on the whole thing, except that we kind of added an extra step since the letter we got didn't belong. I thought this was a solid solution :-D Of course after that was wrong, we realized it should be just as easy as Shep's was.

I told Infil I'd provide a full writeup, and I'm still planning on doing so.  Just was commenting on Third/Mg/Come updates.

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Uh, so who won?
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Results up within 12 hours. We're just having computer trouble.

I don't really understand how lots of other teams got Man of the World fast and Come/Thingy got stuck for as long as they did. Did you guys not find that there was a bit of controversy in the capital? As Brad said, he checked the capitals before the hunt started and virtually all resources said Melekeok. Googling "capital of Palau" shows Melekeok as the first link (and a few links down they talk about that other city). It's a bit unfortunate it wasn't as clear cut as we would have liked, but the information was out there and googleable. I also don't know exactly when Wiki changed the capital to that Nger... city.

I also find it a bit strange that the teams that (even jokingly) said amongst themselves that they should email me a McWhirtle ended up not doing it for as long as they did, whereas other teams that didn't think about it at first ended up doing it almost as soon as they came up with it later. I don't know what you have to lose? It's not like I'm going to make fun of you if you're wrong. Even emailing me the phrase "elite mcwhirtle" would have gotten me to spur you on to the right thing, as some teams did. I understand the point about being left hanging and not sure if it's right when I'm not online, though. I don't know how to improve that, since running the puzzle side of the hunt by yourself isn't exactly the best scenario. Maybe I should have had someone else also accept emails who was in a different time zone and who could be online when I wasn't.
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Time for the HOTTEST writeup of 2010!  (or at least the longest)

  Ngamer Breaks Down the 2010 Elite Puzzle   Hunt  

Despite leading Team Elite to two consecutive Top Three finishes in 2009, this was the first time I'd actually participated in a Puzzle Hunt.  Needless to say, the whole experience was quite weird and scary to me, but in the end I'd have to say I enjoyed myself quite a bit.  The puzzles were pretty solid, but I'm sure I would have had alot less fun if I hadn't been paired up with QB, a Hunt vet who was able to provide 90% of the brainpower for our team while I ran around doing some of the legwork, and occasionally bouncing wacky ideas off him when we got stuck.  I'll be happy to compete in the next Elite Hunt, just as long as it doesn't happen again anytime soon, as being half of a two man team seemed pretty intense to me; personally, I was pretty much drained by the time we figured out some of the tougher puzzles.  I could see myself doing well in a relatively minor role as part of a 5 or 6 man team though, so I'll keep my eyes open for a chance to do something like that in the coming months.

As for specifics regarding how the Hunt was run, I've got to say I was quite impressed.  The website seemed well-designed and performed admirably all week, all of the puzzles appeared to have been carefully thought out and flowed logically once you discovered your breakthrough... all we needed was for someone to teach Neo how to respond to IMs in a timely matter, and this season would have been perfect!  As for things that could maybe be looking into for next year, all I can think of would be minor stuff like:

* a javascript warning box could pop up whenever you click into a new Puzzle, saying "Are you SURE you would like to start this new puzzle?  the timer for your team will start immediately!"  (yes I realize this was explained in the rules, but I bet this would still be useful for less dedicated teams who didn't read them carefully enough.  and would also prevent accidental misclicks)

* having to wait 6 hours before getting your first hint seems a little harsh.  maybe that's standard procedure for these type of events, but to me it seemed way too long.  I mean, I assume most teams were putting their heads together in the evening, so if after struggling for half an hour they were still stumped on how to start, the waiting period was so long that they'd have no choice but to go to sleep and try to figure things out based on the clue in the morning.  what if the first clue would be released after only three hours?  then teammates would be able to puzzle things over for a while, and if totally stumped just agree to go eat dinner or watch a TV show and meet back afterwards, when the clue would hopefully provide the spark they needed

Now on to the puzzles themselves!  I'll give some brief thoughts, then plop down a screencap from the Ng/QB spreadsheet (inside the spoiler tag) before breaking down how we approached each of them.

#1. Overheard at Grauman's

Fun way to ease us into putting our thinking caps on.  I agree that every Hunt should start out with a puzzle like this, one that won't scare people away from the whole concept before they've really gotten their brains in gear.  But... I'd almost call this one TOO easy.  Nice concept, but maybe it could have used one more permutation at the end, like having it come out "ouy anct nadlhe eht ruhtt!" with those spaces in there, so that people would have to at least solve all the quotes before jumping to the answer earlier based on context.



As you see from QB's note in A1, we were sure this would be a movie-related puzzle before opening it up, which put some pressure on.  I mean come on, how could a team of QB and Ngamer not win a quiz relating to movies? There's a good chance we choked away the win, but I thought we performed well regardless- I knew Waterfront, Suspects, Casa, Apoc, No Country, Taxi, Nap, TDK, LotR, Terminator, Gilmore, and Titanic off the bat, and I think QB nailed a couple others before we pulled out Google.  Only a couple minutes of searching had us within 4 letters of the answer, at which point QB Wheel of Fortune'd us to completion.

#2. Man of the World

Cool little puzzle with just the right difficulty level for a #2, I felt.  The "wiki changing the capital" incident was unfortunate, but really there's nothing that could have prevented it.  Fortunately it was edited back to the correct answer by the time we looked, so for us at least the timing of this puzzle seemed right on the money.



It seemed I was only able to provide any kind of help whatsoever on half the puzzles; this was not one of them.  Geography's never been my strong suit, but fortunately QB is pretty good with it.  He recognized the flags straight out and knew three of the countries off the bat.  I tried to assist on the last two, but couldn't find an "all country flags" image large enough for me to read the country name text.  Then we were stumped until I pointed out the "CAP" and asked if there was a country with an all-red flag, at which point Q figured out what Cyber was getting at and we started googling for the capitals.  All in all I thought this was a nice performance from us, one that will hopefully contend for the lead.

#3. Fannee Doolee

Ugh, this was so strange.  I'm sure this was a pretty dependably "Easy/Medium" puzzle for other teams, but for some reason we got trapped in all these really odd hangups and this ended up being my second to least favorite puzzle as a result.  My lack of enjoyment was surely our own fault and not Third's, however, so I'm going to give him a free pass on this one.  But check out our team breakdown...



This is probably the most entertaining and least standard of all our screencaps, which goes to show how utterly embarrassing our train of thought was throughout.  As you can tell from the opening note, we'd already researched Fannee before clicking in, so picking up on the repeating letters should have been no sweat.  We quickly IDed all the animal names, but that seemed to be a dead end, so we just spun our wheels for a half hour trying everything under the sun.  QB googled all the names to see if these were real people, I was convinced that the Ganev names were just too weird to not be clues and ran them through anagramers to unlock them, then moved on to all the strange out of place words that had been used in an attempt to find a pattern.  Finally QB got on the right path by spotting "rockier road, thought this, arcadia are", but I took his question marks there to be literal and researched arcadia wood as a result.  Turns out that's the kind of wood the Ark of the Covenant was made out of, which seemed fitting given this was a Third puzzle, but didn't do much to crack the case!

But by far the strangest tangent was when I decided that the constant "Oh Henry!"s (there are two of them, plus an "O. Olivia!" later) must have been a reference to the famous short story writer, O. Henry.  QB googled him and came across a crazy set of circumstances- O. Henry wrote a short story called "The Roads We Travel" or something, which contains three characters with animal names (like "Sammy Shark" and "Danny Dog" or something),  and within two paragraphs one of them ejaculates and the other chortles!  The writing style seemed way too similar to just be a coincidence, but again we didn't see how that brought us closer to the solution and plus the whole concept seemed way too complicated for an Easy/Medium puzzle.  Eventually QB figured out the correct process after my mind had exploded, and we had our answer very quickly from that point.

#5. Xbox Controller vs. Keyboard

I liked this puzzle a ton.  HOWEVER, as some others have pointed out, this didn't feel like a good fit as a "Medium", especially not coming in off of #4 with people (I would assume) expecting something more along the lines of "Medium/Easy".  Nothing about this was too brain busting in and of itself, but to work this out "properly" you're talking about a pretty significant amount of legwork up front, a breakthrough to switch to a keyboard 5% of the world has used, more fairly large legwork to solve the clues, a second remapping, and THEN answering more question to top it off.  Frankly, that many levels would seem more suited to a #9 or #10 than a 5.  Again, this is a super cool concept and was impressively executed, but to stay in place as a #5 I'd have tweaked it so that...

* more of the Live Names had only a few games on their profile, like Jimbo and I.  I appreciate leaving out QB/Fal/Snap, but many of these choices still had 30+ games, making it quite a chore to find the one achievement in question!
* srx22 was replaced with someone else (apparently the guy either changed his name or deleted his profile in the last week, so QB had to dig around and find a google cache of his old true achievements page before we knew what games he had done!)
* mapping only to qwerty or just using the achievements instead of hints... something to take one level of complexity out of the equation

But yeah, really fun puzzle in any case!



Here's another that we should have destroyed.  We're talking about the league's #1 expert on Live achievements (of the people Hunting at least) teamed with the guy who was bragging up trueachievements.com to the whole community only a few weeks back.  And things DID get off to a hot start, as I correctly assumed that the Live tag in question had earned these achs and we used TA.com to complete our research at a pretty fast clip.  Trouble was, at that point I convinced us to map everything straight to qwerty, which was of course a disaster.  There was a delay before QB thought to try the other keyboard style, then a second delay when he called the Mass Effect race "Turian" or something, leaving us totally in the dark on the "qwerty" hint.  Those snaffus were certainly time killers, but I don't think either was a real disaster, and I'm still expecting to have had a decent result on this one.

#6. Bizarre Form of Poetry

This was... my favorite puzzle of the Hunt!  I understand why so many were confused by having to think outside the box and actually send an e-mail, but I guess we lucked out by not being stuck there too long, so there was no delay there to affect my appreciation.  Clever layout that resulted in some neat little poetry, a difficulty level that seemed spot on for this position, and an opportunity to write a poem about my favorite Eliter- what's not to like!



I'm terrible at geography and word play (anagram/scrabble kind of stuff), but finding connections between sentence snippets is right in my wheelhouse, so this puzzle was my chance to shine!  Actually QB still probably did most of the work here, but I at least was able to make some decent contributions, so I was happy.  I think I'd already been organizing the snippets into groups before he finished researching that name and announced the poetry style, and from there it was more or less smooth sailing (aside from some minor mistakes like me naturally assuming that "Contest Champ" would have been a reference to myself!)  After figuring that Infil wanted an actual poem, I was put in charge of writing it, which proved a mistake... Infil mailed back the URL, but I forgot to give it to QB right away and we lost a couple minutes due to all the weird poker terminology messing me up a bit!

#7. Symbolic Typo

Urrrrk, really didn't like this puzzle.  In hindsight I've got to admit that it was actually pretty good, but the circumstances of the time dictated that I wanted to die the entire time we were working this one over.  And that took a looooooong time, as it turned out.  More on that below... but oh yeah, I AM still a bit miffed that the word featured on the title of a puzzle hunt challenge could be spelled wrong, yet that is in no way a hint toward the solution!  *gives Cyber and Infil the evil eye*



My schedule got messed up like crazy in the middle of last week, resulting in my getting only three hours of sleep the night before... yet we had to press on and complete the puzzle before I went to bed, since QB was leaving for the FL meet the day afterwards!  Needless to say I was running on fumes, which combined with how I can't anagram to save my life resulted in a pretty ugly situation once we cracked the code here.  But even figuring out what was going on was a huge struggle- we tried swapping out vowels in place of other vowels (as "hinted at" by the typo in the title), figuring what the words had in common, taking the 1st letter of #1 and the 2nd of #2 and 3rd of #3 and so on to see if those made any words... I even researched what 15 "symbols" we might be trying to make, looking into stuff like astrology and the signs of the zodiac.  Eventually QB found the words "bass" and "tuba" and suggested we might be looking at something musical, but that could so easily have been a coincidence that I wasn't convinced.  My one contribution was finding "bag pipe", which I think was the tipping point into heading down the musical road.  But after that my brain hard locked and the letters just swam in front of my eyes; I'd still have been trying to spot instruments right now in that state.

Oh, I did have one other contribution!  Right at the start of the puzzle I did us the service of copying all the words from the site into the spreadsheet, and somehow translated Holeless into "Wholeness", costing us about 10 minutes before QB finally figured out what had happened.  Oh, how we laughed!  I DID have one other idea though, once we had our instruments in place:  I suggested that we could order them based on where those instruments would have been placed on stage in an orchestra.  QB pointed out that it wouldn't be possible given Cyber's instrument choices, which was of course right, but I still maintain that my solution would have been totally sweet.

#8. Une Facon de Cacher les Secrets Francais

I had a blast with this puzzle, would easily rate it as one of the top four of the Hunt, but even so I've got to admit it was something of an oddball.  QB did some excellent research before we got too deep into spinning our wheels, came across the right cipher, and BAM, we were finished with this in no time.  Which would normally mean this puzzle was a little too easy for the #8 position, and yet had we struggled on that first step, this would easily have been the most difficult challenge of the night.  I'm not sure what could have been done to give this one better "balance"- it was suggested that once encoded the questions could have been in French, but with the word "Vigenère" running down the middle of the clues on the page so you'd at least know where to start... that seems kind of crazy.  But in any case, I really liked doing this one!



I was sure we were looking at an encrypted message right from the get go, not only from the title but also because the "sentence structure" was just too perfect for things to have been just thrown together randomly.  I haven't heard much about encrypted communication in modern times, so I started looking into secret codes that were used back in WWII, figuring the answer would probably be something used by the French Resistance.  Luckily QB's research proved more fruitful, as he came across the Vig cipher and a translation page pretty quickly, then figured out the "middleoftheroad" hint right off the bat to boot.  We were trading off questions and answers on the first few hints, but then I kicked it into OVERDRIVE and translated/solved everything from the 90s shortstop to MADTV myself (except for that one hokey question).  That freed up QB to start working on the final encryption/answer, which he nailed only seconds after I figured out Lamarr.  All in all this had to be our most efficient and impressive performance of the Hunt!

#10. The Evolution of Puzzles

Man, this puzzle was sweeeet- I think I'd call it my second favorite of the competition!  The only downside was, as others have mentioned, it seemed to be a touch easy for the #10 position... not terribly out of place, just a touch.  I mean I understand its placement, since being rewarded with that great "Success!" video at the very end of a long Contest was unexpected, rewarding, and maybe even a little bit hilarious... just wish one of the layers of complexity could have been deleted from #5 and added here, then this would have been perfect.



I thought this was one of our better performances, and we did a pretty respectable job of turning on the jets once we got by the breakthrough moment.  Only trouble was, the youtube breakthrough took us a shamefully long time to figure out, especially given the circumstances.  Not only did I fail at identifying a video I'm very familiar with in "Evolution of Dance" (heck, I even asked a KotH question regarding its popularity this past season!), I was also a major flop considering I've done this exact thing with youtube IDs in the past!  (For everyone's voters page during the '08 Summer Contest, I set up the "random character" URLs by just visiting random youtube vids and coping down those IDs.)  I also messed up by not turning off annotations on the video right away; I was just about to, but then QB mentioned that he "just saw the code!" in a frame without removing the boxes from the screen, so I figured it must have been clearly viewable without messing with any additional settings.  Whoops!
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tl;dr version: This was a fun Hunt!  I award it a B+, and look forward to next season!

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It seems Infil is being fairly open about everything now, so I'll respond to a few of your points Jon.

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* a javascript warning box could pop up whenever you click into a new Puzzle, saying "Are you SURE you would like to start this new puzzle? the timer   for your team will start immediately!" (yes I realize this was explained in the rules, but I bet this would still be useful for less dedicated teams who   didn't read them carefully enough. and would also prevent accidental misclicks)
This was, sadly, the first of a few features that we dropped because of time constraints. As you (should) know, I lost my home server about a week and a bit before the hunt began, which forced me in to buying some shared hosting in the US in order to make it through. A lost about a day of my 3-day-weekend trying to get the exisiting website working under these very restrictive conditions (Shared Windows hosting is a *lot* trickier than having it sitting in my room...), so there was a rush to get things done. I placed that text at the top Puzzles page to try and help, and I don't think anyone actually misclicked anything, but it's a valid point. Should we run this again, you can look forward to a *much* better site.

Oh, I should also mention it was never my intention to force anyone to use "elitepuzzlehunt.patrickjohannessen.com" as an address, but I ran out of alternatives when I had to use shared hosting. Surprisingly, not a single person complained!

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Man, this puzzle was sweeeet- I think I'd call it my second favorite of the competition! The only downside was, as others have mentioned, it seemed to be   a touch easy for the #10 position... not terribly out of place, just a touch. I mean I understand its placement, since being rewarded with that great   "Success!" video at the very end of a long Contest was unexpected, rewarding, and maybe even a little bit hilarious... just wish one of the layers   of complexity could have been deleted from #5 and added here, then this would have been perfect.
Funny you should mention this, as after my quick test-solve of the puzzle, Infil wanted to move it back. Unfortunately, due to the complex nature of many of the HTML pages (that don't lend themselves well to being stored in a database without a fair bit of effort), I had to hard code much of the website that I wouldn't usually (/Puzzle10/ mapped to Puzzle10.aspx mapped to row 10 in the database, etc). In the long run, it would have been more effort to change it at the risk of introducing more  bugs so we left.


Glad to hear the feedback from the site was mostly positive - to be honest, I'm just glad that I finished it in time and it managed to stay together for the whole week! Those who payed attention may have seen a few minor issues crop up, but nothing game-breaking, which is what we're going for.

Really hoping we can do it again next year - would like to automate the site enough that maybe I could participate, we'd have to see. Glad to hear everyone had a good time, we got more participants than we expected, and rightfully so - massive thanks go out to Infil for all the work he put in to this. As one of the few people he could talk about the hunt freely before the start date, I know just how hard he worked to get not only some great puzzles out the door, so to speak, but how much thought was put in to the logistics of the hunt to make it as fair and fun as possible.


I hope to have the site completely updated by the end of the weekend - essentially putting up the final total/puzzle rankings that Infil showed earlier, but also (if I can manage it) a list of everyone's attempts at each puzzle!